User talk:Emika22

VKG
The AJTP started in 2000 if I'm right and at that time only 20 secondary schools participated in it – one of them was the Varga. Now many-many schools are in it. So I guess "founding school" is OK. About this UNESCO research you can read later in the article. It was about permanent learning or something like that. Maybe some of the older teachers could explain it. - Matthew Beta (talk) 12:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot to say: we can use these pictures (and no uploading is needed): commons:Category:Varga Katalin Secondary School! - Matthew Beta (talk) 12:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Varga was originally liceum (lyceum?) which differed from gimnázium only in that latin was not compulsory (but optional). Later (1935/36) latin became compulory so it was a gimnázium (grammar/secondary/high school?). It was because the school-type liceum changed: it became a kind of practical school rather than academic. Since then it is gimnázium and has followed every changes in the institute form (eg. latin is not compulsory any more, or mixed schools). - Matthew Beta (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Useful: lyceum, gymnasium (school), education in Hungary! - Matthew Beta (talk) 20:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If you copy the hiv-web things I can change them easily to cite web, so it is OK like this. Most (or almost every) sec schools in Hungary provide 5-year bilingual courses. In Varga the 8 grade thing is not needed (to be a Varga-student) and for that time you are still the student of the primary school and not the Varga. In other schools students start their secondary education with one year learning English. And the Hungarian sentence can be understood as: "oral exam, not just written" or "oral english exam not just the written math and hungarian". The source you asked for is a speech given by Mr. Molnár László at the "DÖK-camp". - Matthew Beta (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The old pictures are copyrighted, so we can't upload to the Commons. We might upload directly to Wikipedia but we should show that they are copyrighted and show the permission like this: ! - Matthew Beta (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know wht this "referencia iskla" is. But Legeza tanárnő must. It is something like: we use their books and tell them our experiences or so. - Matthew Beta (talk) 18:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Saguna part is finished. The quotes are not neccessary in any cases, so I think you don't have to translate them. I'll add some to the jail part but that won't be much (I hope). I'll write to Petra néni. - Matthew Beta (talk) 19:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) … This percentage is obviously not true. I wrote them because they are the partner schools, which partially means that a lot of Varga students go there – as you can read here. If feeder school has to have so high percentage they must be deleted of course - Matthew Beta (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

including a well-established Hungarian-English bilingual program - Isn't it POV? - Matthew Beta (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

May I suggest - instead of    ? :) - Matthew Beta (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or you can add them to your Babel by leaving the "User " part out. - Matthew Beta (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I think I finally made it look normal, now I'm going to stop changing it :P Emika22 (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

VKG
About the name order: keep continuity. If you change them - change everywhere; if you don't than keep the Hungarian order everywhere. On the faculty/staff part: I have no sources with useful information on this topic. We have the list of the first teachers, staff and faculty in the 1970s or '80s, list of teachers until 2005 and things like that. But nothing that wouls be relevant in the article. On student life I had a lot of source, that wasn't problem. I might write an article about Dr. Páldi, but I think can't do more this time. Do you think Házirend is a policy handbook? Isn't it rather like a code or something? Other language projects are stagnating - fortunately. I don't have much time these days either. - Matthew Beta (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi! Sorry for the contributions on your subpage :). What are your plans on finishing the school and VK articles? (I don't want to urge you – you can do it whenever you want; it's only when to watch my watchlist again :)…) - Matthew Beta (talk) 14:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Novellafüzér [sic]: a play containing several short stories (novella) - Matthew Beta (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tanulószoba is a room in the school where students could spend their afternoons by) learn(ing) with the help of their teachers. Ügyelet is a system still used in primary schools where some teachers take care of the students until their parents can take them home (e. g. because (s)he lives too far). Or in case of secondary school students until their bus comes (?). - Matthew Beta (talk) 21:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Btw. yesterday and today I changed some Hungarian names to their current Romanian names in the Katalin Varga article. Izbita will remain the same, but Pojény's name is Poieni now (they both are parts of Bucium). Also in the Hungarian article some of the people's names have been changed, or extended with a note. Here the Romanian forms should be used, but I have no references only for the Hungarian translits. - Matthew Beta (talk) 19:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've moved it. Pictures can be add any time. According to the Hungarian laws pictures (and any other pieces of art) becomes public domain 70 years after the artist's (or the copyright holder's) death. In most cases the copyright holder is the school (at least it decared it). And the school hasn't died :)… Anyway, normally 100 years after the piece was made, it is accepted to be public domain if the artist or the time of his/her death is unknown. - Matthew Beta (talk) 11:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Odrysians

 * Yes i am going to add material in everything as best as i can.Check out List of ancient Thracian cities and how it was before i grabbed it!Megistias (talk) 19:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hi! Thuróczy-kódex in the English Wikipedia can be found here: Chronica Hungarorum or Johannes de Thurocz. - Matthew Beta (talk) 17:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

A padlás
Here it is: User:Matthew Beta/A padlás (and the original). I hope it's not so terrible as I think it is :). And thank You! - Matthew Beta (talk) 21:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You very much!!!! - Matthew Beta (talk) 16:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Unforunately I don't have information about an official English translation (as far as I know it was shown in Central and Eastern Europe only, mostly for Hungarian audences, but I don't have sources). Also on the internet you can find two versions of the title: "The Loft" and "The Attic" (as well as Hungarian ones: "A padlás" and "A Padlás" and it is hard to decide which is the better because it is the Padlás). On the other hand, the disambiguation page The Attic lists it as The Attic (musical). The lack of official translation is why I didn't used the translations of the names. Anyway, these can be changed.
 * The order of the original page was different, there it wasn't confusing, but here I tried to use the preferred article structure. However, it isn't compulsory.
 * The songlists use the template tracklist, maybe it could be made better with an extra_column. It is a bit confusing since the LP and the MC/CD releases were so different. The song list of the musical would be the same as the one of the MC/CD release.

I made some changes on the article. Is it better now? - Matthew Beta (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Your Hungarian skills
Hello Emika,

May I ask you how well you understand Hungarian? I do not know what you mean by that "ez a szerkesztő középszinten beszéli a magyar nyelvet" template, which is on your user page.A former Hungarian-American wikipedian, K.Lastochka, also stated on her user page that her command of Hungarian was at intermediate level but she didn't understand much of that language.--Nmate (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I used that template (középszinten) because I have a középfokú language exam certificate in Hungarian. In truth, I would say my reading and understanding skills are quite high, but my speaking and writing ability is much lower. That's why mostly I translate Hungarian -> English Emika22 (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Where did you pass that exam? In America? Is it feasible to learn Hungarian in the U.S.A.?--Nmate (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I took the exam in Hungary, in Budapest. On Rigó u., to be exact :) Of course, it is possible to learn Hungarian in the USA - most of the teachers are Hungarians who have emigrated. Emika22 (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hát akkor további jó szerkesztést kívánok neked. Nagyon jó azt látni, amikor angol anyanyelvűek is szerkesztik a magyar vonatkozású cikkeket az angol wikin. Jelenleg nem te vagy az egyedüli angol anyanyelvű közreműködője a "WikiProject Hungary"-nak mert SimonTrew is angol anyanyelvű; és bizony ti hoztok új színt ebbe a projectbe. Hiszen a magas szintű és folyékony angol nyelvtudás az nálatok "alapból megvan".--Nmate (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hungary-Slovakia debate; article
I hope so too. The AfD was a last ditch attempt at getting some cool heads to the debate. If you knew how busy I was you'd realise how irresponsible it was for me to spend the time I did improving the article. :) — what a crazy random happenstance 08:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Please Emika, I very much respect your work on Wikipedia. However, it looks to me that the above user is not a problem free editor. See these edits to verify:   So that I may not let him continue his "monkey business" on any kind of topics related to Hungarians.
 * Of course I know well that your every work is in good faith but the changes you made is controversial. and only because I reverted your changes to CoolKoon's version I still very much respect your work.

But given that he (CoolKoon) belongs to the Hungarian minority of Slovakia, so his opinion is weighted more than other ones on Hungarian-Slovak relations --Nmate (talk) 09:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Those edits I came to only as a result of reading CoolKoon's userpage, I am not Slovak and am not passionately involved in the slightest. I have to the best of my memory never edited in these areas before. Failing to see that CoolKoon's version of the Hun-Svk page is biased is not an issue of slight innocious bias, it's an issue of overt and sickening nationalism. The revert war you initiated is not productive, you should have taken it to talk. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

O.K.Then you are Australian of Czech--Nmate (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just Australian please, and I consider myself free from nationalist biases. In trying to rid a page of a bias towards one side, it is inevitable that one's actions may be misinterpreted as bias towards another. I assure you this is not the case. I highly doubt you're oblivious to the biases in the older version - they are rather obvious and glaring. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Emika22 the real process here is to suggest changes at talk and discuss them instead of launching edit wars as Happenstance did. He knows full well that he has nowhere near consensus to blank the article and delete most of the sources used (HE the same person who said more sources deletes most of them), and the abuse of the Afd process it's just rich. Hobartimus (talk) 10:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the WP:BLANK policy you referred to on my talk, you appear not to comprehend it. Blanking refers to removing ALL content from a page, akin to deleting it. I did not do so. Also, I was not the first to revert, thus I did not launch the edit war. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OOhhh. So you think if you delete 60% in one edit and the following 40% in other edits it's not blanking? Think again. And the policy also refers to removing substantial content what you have clearly done by removing about 35 000 bytes worth of content and a huge number of sources. You are clearly engaging in edit warring and blanking of huge pieces of content. Let's admit this and we can start from here.Hobartimus (talk) 10:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting the page is left with no substantial content? Please remember we're dealing with a page on the international relations between Hungary and Slovakia, and much of what I removed dealt with irrelevant interpersonal conflicts. I have taken pains to preserve the relevant sources, and retained all relevant international incidents regardless of whether they are "pro-Slovak" or "pro-Hungarian". The fact that several independent editors agree with the edits, and that most of the people at the AfD agreed that the article was in a bad state suggests there is support for an overhaul of the article. I do not intend to continue debating my methodology or motivations - if you have a problem with a concrete facet of the changes feel free to raise it on article talk. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So an alleged traffic altercation and shouting (the "driver begun to verbally assault its occupants.") is relevant but when one of the most prominent Slovak politicians, who created the present Slovak Government with his coalition partners says publicly and well documented "We will destroy Budapest with tanks" is not according to you. I have nothing else to learn about your "non-bias", It's so glaring it's not even funny. Hobartimus (talk) 11:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note how one is committed by a random nobody and the other by one of the most prominent Slovak politicians. Hobartimus (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I never claimed the newer version was perfect, and I have repeatedly called upon you to elaborate on where you would like to collaborate on improving it in our discussion on my talk. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Just a note
User:Happenstance is a member of the Wikiprojet Slovakia, redirecting to User:Hexagon1 since 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Slovakia#Participants

--Nmate (talk) 15:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Your continued attempts to paint me as an editor with a bias reflect more on you than they do on me. My membership in the Slovak Wikiproject was related to my attempt to unite the Polish, Czech and Slovak Wikiprojects in the interest of productive cooperation (esp. on contentious naming issues between the Czech Republic and Poland). But by all means please continue stalking me, I find it quite flattering. I also created the vector version of the Ethiopian coat of arms (exposing my shocking Ethiopian biases) over at commons, but I suppose you know that already. — what a crazy random happenstance 10:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I do not wish to continue this conversation on this very talk page.--Nmate (talk) 17:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I fully agree! Emika22 (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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Velţ
All right, we may as well go through this step by step.


 * Here at en.wiki, consensus among a number of editors has been that Romanian villages do not get separate articles. That is why in Category:Communes and villages in Romania one finds just 12 of 13,285 villages &mdash; a number that will hopefully drop to 0 soon.
 * Mentioning villages in the parent commune article is appropriate. So is redirecting. I don't want to hide their existence; I want readers to be able to find them. I want us to take all relevant information about them and fold it into the parent commune articles.
 * That said, they lack independent notability. Standard encyclopedias stop at the commune level. Moreover, villages have no administrative autonomy (while communes have a mayor and council), and generally, sourcing on them is quite scant, certainly enough to fit into the commune articles.
 * Bazna has three villages: Bazna, Boian and Velţ. Perhaps this problem hadn't occurred to you, but if we make separate articles for Boian and Velţ, where would Bazna village be discussed? I suppose, in theory, one might have a Bazna (commune) and a Bazna (village) article, but would it not make far more sense to simply have four parts to the rather brief Bazna article, one describing the commune as a whole and three describing each of its villages? And remember, this issue isn't confined to Bazna alone; it applies to perhaps 98% of Romania's 2,686 communes. (The rare exceptions are places like Ghimeş-Făget, where no village in the commune bears the commune's name.)
 * Given that through redirects and merging, all relevant information on Velţ can be readily accessed at Bazna, given the lack of independent notability for villages, and given the problems inherent in keeping separate village articles, could we please redirect Velţ to Bazna and move on? - Biruitorul Talk 18:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for laying out your points so logically. Here are some of my problems with merging the articles: Emika22 (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article at Bazna is already quite Velt-centric, if I can use that word. Even the population data is - very confusingly - for the village of Velt and not for the commune of Bazna. If there's enough information about Velt that it's overpowering the Bazna article, why not give it its own place?
 * You assumed that if Velt has its own article, then Bazna and Boian should also, and then what will happen with the Bazna commune vs Bazna village problem? Valid question, but the not the one on the table here, so let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
 * Currently, several other wikipedias differentiate between Velt and Bazna. For example the German wikipedia, with Velţ and Bazna; the Hungarian wikipedia with Völc and Bázna; and the Romanian wikipedia with Velţ and Bazna. My biggest concern here is, as you yourself said, allowing readers to be able to find the villages, in the simplest way possible.


 * I've expanded the article on Bazna, which now includes demographic data for the commune, as well as descriptions of all three villages.
 * See above: Bazna village and Bazna commune now both have information on them. To me, it doesn't make sense to split them apart. It's much more coherent to keep the commune and three villages together in one place.
 * I know that other Wikipedias do it differently, and I respect that, but let me repeat: 12 of 13,285 Romanian villages have articles here. That reflects quite a consensus as to their lack of independent notability. One thing I suppose we could do is add hu:Völc and ro:Velţ, Sibiu as interwiki links.
 * About the accessibility argument: redirects solve the problem for us. Typing in Velt, Völc, Velc, Wölz, etc. will get a reader directly to an article that includes all the information he might want about the village. - Biruitorul Talk 05:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I was most worried about the interwiki accessibility - it's confusing to go from, say, the Hungarian Völc article to the English article Bazna. Especially for someone who's not familiar with the Romanian commune system. Anyway, I've set up Velt, Völc, Velc, and Wölz to link directly to that part of the Bazna article, which hopefully should help. Very, very nice expansion of the article, by the way! It looks great! Emika22 (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you liked it. Now, it took me a few days to come up with this, but here's a possible solution to the interwiki issue. Why not go to, say, Völc, and write in Bazna there? That way, you know there really wouldn't be an issue with finding the information anymore. - Biruitorul Talk 02:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

A padlás/Beugró
Hello, I thought I let you know that I finally moved A padlás to the main namespace :). Thank You again for your help. Also, if you are interested, I prepared a translation of hu:Beugró here: User:Matthew Beta/Beugró. If you have time, I would be interested in your opinion. - Matthew Beta (talk) 19:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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User:Emika22/Egricsillagok, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Emika22/Egricsillagok and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Emika22/Egricsillagok during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. — ξ xplicit  02:33, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * I'd second that. Consider moving this into the main space now, even if it is not finished - somebody else will have a better starting point. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 16:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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