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North8000 (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

majapahit edit
They were not, Gajah Mada was buddhist as with many high officials and some members of royal family. In SEA also hinduism and buddhism also combined. Majapahit was known for its tolerance of other faiths, can be seen like in literatures Kakawin Sutasoma

I've never seen anything claiming Gajah Mada was a Buddhist, could you send a source for this? none of the royal family that ruled were Buddhists. Tolerance for faiths is not evidence that the empire had a buddhist character, and there isn't evidence that hinduism and buddhism combined, only that there was a significant buddhist minority — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josepherino (talk • contribs) 04:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? Gajah Mada was probably follower of tantric buddhism, for example the famous majapahit oaths is relating to tantric practices it is no coincidence because even that oath he was trying to emulate his idol, Kertanegara, with his cakrawala dwipantara (nusantara) goals, the buddhist influences can clearly be seen in Candi Jawi. Ultimately the religion practiced as with many SEA was syncretic with buddhism and hinduism influences. I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge to those who studied it. Back to Gajah Mada himself according to negarakretagama after he retired he was given land relating to Buddhism not sure the english term ( "Tanah Kebuddhaan" term used by archaeologist and historians Agus Arif Munandar, he was responding to ahistorical claim that gajah mada was a muslim ) named Madakarupira (modern day south Pasuruan). It is probable that Gajah Mada was buddhist.

This is trying to find where is this buddhist village exactly. http://www.wacana.ui.ac.id/index.php/wjhi/article/download/250/238

This is the news where agus was interviewed (in indonesian), i'm pretty sure you can use his book cited there but also in Indonesian: https://sains.kompas.com/read/2017/06/22/190852523/agama.gajah.mada.dan.majapahit.yang.sebenarnya.akhirnya.diungkap?page=2 Envapid (talk) 09:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, no the religion in Southeast Asia was not a syncretism between Hinduism and Buddhism, there was a clear distinction between them, and different temples were constructed for each faith, often in different styles entirely. The landscape was religiously diverse, but always predominantly Hindu was the general conclusion. Either way, there is no definitive evidence that he was a Buddhist, and you've already contradicted yourself, because if the religion was a mix of H and B he could not be a B Josepherino (talk) 23:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes I said he was probably Buddhist, Majapahit though was hindu-buddhist not just hindu not just buddhist. I advice you to finish your study. Envapid (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I would then challenge you to show me what scriptures give the foundation for what exactly "Hindu-Buddhism" is, how having a religious minority somehow makes your empire a mix of two religions, and how an empire with zero heads of state of buddhism, and simply tolerated buddhism could possibly have been whatever "hindu-buddhist" is Josepherino (talk) 23:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

You are extremely opinionated for somebody who is talking outside his expertise. As I said before many more qualified historians and archaeologists have described the religious (hindu-buddhist) nature of Majapahit and other kingdoms in the region in general, not like what you found in India. Have you even read the source provided by Agus? Because you would know that, also ofc zero heads of state because states were modern invention. Why not you show 'scriptures' that Majapahit were only hindu? You are the one that tried to change it to only hindu. Because from what their courts wrote, like Sutasoma showed they were hindu-buddhist, evidently they are not as dogmatic as you are. Finish your study and publish "How majapahit is not hindu-buddhist", maybe then you can revolutionise majapahit historiography. Envapid (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

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Government violence and husband violence is two different things
The people that suffers from government style violence is different to people who suffers violence from their partners. The page is about ongoing war between Indonesians military and Papuan seperatists. This sentence added makes no sense "although according to former political prisoner Ambrosius Mulait, most violence against Papuan women happened because of domestic violence by husbands and Papuan cultural views toward wives considering they have been 'paid' "Thelordofsword (talk) 01:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * That is why I invite you to read the full report. The study is about all violence toward papuan women not just about state violence or the separatist, 'the war' you talked about. I'll update the figure later its not 4 out of 10, it is 2.5 out of 10 for state violence, 1.5 for domestic violence. Anyhow this figure is not supposed to be a survey and not at all representative of the whole population (or the papuan population for that matter) in papua; meaning 4 out of 10 of all papua experience violence.
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 * https://humanrightspapua.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/asia-ajar.org_wp-content_uploads_2019_04_I-am-Here-Voices-of-Papuan-Women-2019.pdf Envapid (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay I read the full report. Good finding, we can use this source, but in my opinion the large should be in the bottom section. Only mentioning 249 women participants, 65 of them experienced state violence. is enough.

Honestly, I have nothing against you but the opinion of a single individual political prisoner is not credible enough. If you have a study from Papuan women claiming it's mostly Papuan men causing violence than show it but I feel like it shouldn't be in the Papua conflict article.Thelordofsword (talk) 03:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Well Mulait is not wrong the study by AJAR also confirmed what he said, as most papuan women who experienced violence were those that experienced domestic violence (37), followed by loss of property (35). Opinion of a single individual apparently matter as Fien Jarangga is mentioned below. Envapid (talk) 03:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also why used two different figures as I said that 4 out of 10 is wrong. Envapid (talk) 03:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay I restored the sources you previously edited. I also included this source which is the 4 out of 10 was a survey from 2013 and 2017. https://www.freewestpapua.org/2017/10/19/38-of-west-papuan-found-to-have-been-subjected-to-indonesian-state-violence/ The link you posted was created in 2019. Thelordofsword (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think it is better, as the study from 2013,2017 and the most recent study of 2019 (this is not 'a study', the 2019 is the most recent study) are differentiated. I feel though it is still better to list all violence types experienced separately, since it made it as if all the women experience the same violence. Now it go back to the problem you said it doesnt lead nicely to what Mulait said unless you really read the study. Envapid (talk) 03:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait I have an idea, I think a note below which list all the violence type since the women on the study can experience many type of violence. How about that, i think it will solve adding the missing context without cluttering the paragraph. Envapid (talk) 03:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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