User talk:Ferret/Archive 13

Reverted credits on Perfect dark
Hi Ferret,

You reverted my edit of the credits which was previously reverted a couple of days ago.

Martin Hollis has no credits of lead designer on perfect dark.

You can check the full credits list here https://www.mobygames.com/game/perfect-dark

And you can also watch the credits list from the final game here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdXiUwQjiQ

Let me know if you want to take this to email.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perfickdark (talk • contribs) 16:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Moby credits literally list Hollis as Project Leader. -- ferret (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The moby credits are not totally correct. Only the ending credits are correct on that page. For the correct version watch an actual video of the game credits as the game was released from this video of the actual ending of the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD3wO7Zzbg Perfickdark (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should read the article, which has indepth coverage and sourcing of Hollis' involvement in Perfect Dark before he left Rare. -- ferret (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I know what his involvement was - I was on the team, and he was not the lead designer. Just because someone has an article where they talk about what they did / did not do on a game they left 1 year into a 2 and half year development doesn't make them a lead designer - and in actual fact his involvement was team lead during that time, not lead designer. And there was probably a reason why he is not in the official credits list you would have thought? Let me know if you want me to mail you proof of my involvement on the team if you care about this being accurate.

Perfickdark (talk) 18:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

And if you want a slightly more accurate version of events there is this http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/05/feature_perfect_dark_turns_20_-_the_definitive_story_behind_the_n64_hit_that_outclassed_james_bondPerfickdark (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just as info, in case there's anything in this you aren't already aware of. -- ferret (talk) 19:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. The problem with Perfect Dark is that its end credits don't specify job roles because its development was a very collaborative effort, so it's difficult to say who did what. MobyGames is not a reliable source, per WikiProject Video games/Sources. In any case, after checking the Nintendo Life source again, I can see that it actually says that Chris Tilston became a lead designer by the end of the development, so it should be safe to include him as a lead designer. Now, I think we should not list Hollis as a director, mainly because Mark Edmonds became the project leader when Hollis left. I will fix that now. --Niwi3 (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Drafts
Kindly review Gouri G Kishan and Kartikeya Gummakonda (both drafts) and tell me how to improve them. The article about Kartikeya is in review for several months and is still not reviewed yet.

For Gouri's article I have heavily exapnded the article since it at the beginning it was only one line. Thank you

One question: if the article in a deletion discussion is heavily expanded does the deletion discussion still apply? (I think the process is moving the page to a draft for review) --TamilMirchi
 * I'm not an AfC member and am not sure why you approached me for this. I do not have time to perform a proper review today. Yes, deletion discussions still apply regardless of expansion. Deletions are based on whether notability guidelines can be met, not the size or state of the article. It is possible that during expansion, you found new sources, which would help with notability and perhaps cause the deletion discussion to result in a keep. -- ferret (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Ouya: Reverted 2 edits by Cweiske (talk): Inappropriate ELs, no reliable sourcing (TW)
The first edit was the fix for a broken archive link. You reverted it without looking at it. I specifically split the two changes so that they are independent and can be reverted. Now the external link is broken again. Yay!

Also, why are the links inappropriate? They are the definite sources of the two community servers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cweiske (talk • contribs) 18:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Ouya software: Inappropriate EL, spam
The first sentence on the page says "This is a partial list of software for the Ouya gaming console", and I add a link to the *complete* list of OUYA games. Why do you consider this spam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cweiske (talk • contribs) 18:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Because you linked to your own website? And it's an unofficial site used to download archived games that the user may or may not have purchased. We don't link to such sites. -- ferret (talk) 21:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Antisemitism
Hey - highlighting opinions by well known public figures who have been accused of antisemitism is not recommended, even within online encyclopaedias. Instead of just warning me, take a moment to respond to my contribution to the discussion of the article. Cheers. Glucken123 (talk) 18:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles for Creation: List of reviewers by subject notice
Hi, you are receiving this notice because you are listed as an active Articles for Creation reviewer.

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To end on a positive note, the backlog has dropped below 1,500, so thanks for all of the hard work some of you have been putting into the AfC process!

Sent to all Articles for Creation reviewers as a one-time notice. To opt-out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Regards, (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Crowkid51
Hi Ferret, I am sorry that I disrupt edits from other Wikipedia pages as I am new here and I am trying to learn. I will try my best next time to not disrupt edits and I am Sorry Ferret. Crowkid555 (talk) 00:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

General Clanker
Hi Ferret, Thank you for the heads up on my disruptive edits. I would like to apologize for causing any inconveniences, as my intentions are all good and I don't wish to upset anyone. I'm still learning and I appreciate not being banned yet, seeing as to how I caused a few problems in the past that I again apologize for. I improved upon most of my past mistakes, as I no longer write long plots, and I even shortened some that I come across. As for the lack of explanations for most of my edits, I simply don't find them necessary, as most changes I make are minor and serve no purpose other than some small amendments and adjustments; in the case of the bigger ones, I almost always give a short explanation of the changes I made. I also don't refuse to communicate with other users who try to engage me; those incidents were around the time when I started editing on Wikipedia (or when I made an account anyways), and I am now supportive of all critics I receive (albeit I haven't received any recently) and try to communicate with others when needed. Overall, I do by best to avoid disruptive editing, and improve the quality of the articles I come across in any way I can. I have improved a lot since my humble beginnings. Thank you and sorry again. Hope you're doing well. General Clanker (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

List of most played games and downloded
Sir, Wikipedia updated a wrong list. The most downloaded and played game is free fire please update it.. or allow me to update it. Imranwani786 (talk) 07:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As I replied to your edit request, you must provide a reliable source indicating the download or player count of the game. -- ferret (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

PS5 June 2020 Response
I wasn't edit warring. I think my edits make a lot of sense. I'm sorry if you disagree. I will make more precise edits in the future. Thanos2556 (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Preciseness is not the issue. We have a manual of style, and for months you've continuously tried to change Q4 to "Holidays", which is an America-centric/European-centric term that doesn't meant the same thing around the rest of the world. Each time you've been reverted, MOS:SEASONS and similar guidelines have been quoted, and you wait a few days then repeat your edit with an undo and an non-explaination like "edit is the same". In other places, you've continued to make unsourced speculative comments like "It was compete against this or that.". We know this is probably true but Wikipedia does not list speculation without sourcing. Or, your insistence on making an improper piped linked about the George Floyd protests. This behavior has continued for months, and you need to start using the article talk page when you're reverted, not just continuously undoing reverts with edit notes that don't explain anything. -- ferret (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Donkey Kong
Here are sources 24.50.186.180 (talk) 20:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/6124/robbie-lakeman-climbs-his-way-back-to-a-donkey-kong-record
 * https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/06/robbie_lakeman_is_apparently_the_new_donkey_kong_world_record_holder
 * https://nintendowire.com/news/2020/06/16/donkey-kong-high-score-beaten-for-first-time-in-two-years/
 * https://gamerant.com/donkey-kong-new-world-record-live-twitch/
 * So add them. Though of those 4 sources, only Nintendo Life is considered reliable on for Wikipedia purposes. -- ferret (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

On Minecraft: Story Mode's plot
Indeed the plot needs to be shortened. But I feel that it can't get much more short than this without being inconcise (unconcise?) and leaving out necessary details. My edit made the plot actually make sense in places it didn't, and if plot length is more important than how easy it is to follow, then something's wrong with the rules. IceKey8297 is awesome.[citation needed] 20:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Apologizing
So, @User:ferret, about the changes to the List of video games with LGBT characters article. I didn't know what came over me, I probably got too giddy and decided to change too much. Oops. With the reversions to the original names, its all back to a blank slate. In any case, I will continue to add content from any of the pages I work on, but I can promise you that I won't change LGBT to LGBTQ/LGBTQ+ in that article, or any future article. That's all. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw your user talk, I think the critical thing here is to keep in mind that broad sweeping changes like this need discussed. I'm not, strictly speaking, opposed to the idea of what you were trying to accomplish, but with so many topics and pages impacted, it would need a broad discussion and consensus before proceeding. -- ferret (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with that.--Historyday01 (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Question about notice
Hi! Is this about this? I'm a little confused, because I assume that the closure should have been reverted? If unrelated, IPs can't NAC discussions. But if it's a logout mistake, they are the nom, so they really shouldn't close it (not with the warnings on their talk and not when it's not even clear it was them). — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what triggered that warning, though he uses the IP frequently. Review the full /64 range and the case is clear. That said, this closure is so obvious that I did not feel it worth the steps to contest simply to reclose. (You should join us on Discord, I mulled this question there and decided to take no action on the merger itself) -- ferret (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for clarifying. I'll consider joining Discord, although that's way too much active Wikipedia-ing for me... And I would need yet another Discord account. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * WP:USERG is a good place to start, which covers the idea of user-generated sources that lack editorial control. Things like steamdb, steaminfo, steam reviews and discussions, etc. These are just systems that scrap Steam data and make estimations from that, which in some cases has proven to be wrong, overestimated, or with too low of a sample size. For reviews and the like, these are just random users and no one fact checks them or verifies them, so they are unreliable. WP:VG/RS is another good resource, as it lists many sources that have been vetted by the community, as well as ones to avoid, with a specific focus on video games. -- ferret (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation and for referring me to WP:USERG and WP:VG/RS. I have bookmarked them so I can rely on their content later. Kingapresa (talk) 01:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
Hey Ferret,

Very sorry about the disruptive editing i been doing. Beause i have autism, as well as other work, i cant control myself from doing and editing everything and i been very stress now, so i will try my best to not disrupt any more edits as i can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALEXP001 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

list of vampires
i agree with you that i didnt cite sources properly however there doesnt seem to be proper sources online as of now i do believe my entry does belong on the list lurnara is a believed vampire with an online following could you help me find out how to handle this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikke4.0 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Wiki News and
I'd noticed that you and I have both received the same LTA message on Wiki News. I tried to revert one of the edits on a different user talk page and I was warned about that from blanking by a abuse filter. I then tried to explain to Wikinews: admin action alerts but when I clicked submit, the abuse filter took action and blocked me indefinitely on the site. Unfortunately that edit can't be proven from this Abuse filter log. And here's the block status the filter imposed.

By posting to the administrators notice board, hopefully someone can revert these edits made by the LTA without having trouble from the edit filters. I have never made a single edit on Wikinews so that would be my problem as a new user. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't use Wikinews and am not sysop there so nothing I can do about it really. MRY has been very active the last week or so, it's pretty run of the mill. -- ferret (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * These edits have already been reverted anyway by an administrator of that version of Wikipedia. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 14:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Ness (character)
Some IP editor asked me to restore Max Caulfield I don't know anything about that character and never heard of the game, however I noticed the editor also edited Ness (character), I find Ness to be an undisputedly notable character he appeared in multiple games and is a flagship character of Nintendo. I think the article could be easily expanded. Valoem talk contrib 00:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WT:VG is discussing Ness right now. There’s an editor with a pretty-far-off-base draft going, asking for help. Perhaps you can guide him if it’s something you’re really pursuing. Sergecross73   msg me  00:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Both articles/redirects have been frequent targets of a sockmaster who works on in-universal non-notable character pages, using open proxies. There's probably two, but one of them was Raymondskie99 (I had off-wiki communications with Raymond quite some time ago, who claims to not be socking any longer because he wants to attempt SO). The last IP to try to restore Max Caulfield (In March, shortly before being Checkuser blocked) has a clear behavioral overlap with the IP who has approached you. I would be careful of assisting IP editors who are focusing on these redirects as a result, however, as Serge noted above, there's a discussion at the project talk page about Ness that may be worth getting involved in. -- ferret (talk) 01:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks I try to avoid IP editors, this editor is clearly very experienced, I think the three articles listed Pokeball, Ness, and Team Rocket are definately notable though Pokeball and Team Rocket has too much crufy at the time, Ness however does look ready. I'll work on it an main space it which I get a chance. Valoem talk contrib 18:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my edits?
I read one of your messages of edit my stuff and you said "You arent adding anything" and I actually am adding something which is to what actually happens in the game and my question is have you even played Bioshock before because Tenebaum dosen't fully remove Fontaines influences and he says "Code Yellow" and also you said the Fandom isn't a reliable source but it is somewhat reliable and also you said "You add excessive detail" and would you kindly explain to me how adding excessive detail is a problem. Best regards The Shrimps are Stronger The Shrimps are stronger (talk) 17:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not care what happens in the game as we are a general knowledge encyclopedia. We only take content sourced from newspapers, books, and academic journals. Folks like you are relegated to the Fandom wiki because we don't allow that sort of content here. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay first off im not even part of the fandom but also its good to still show people what actually happens in the game The Shrimps are stronger (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've played the game multiple times, it's one of my favorites. The problems with your edits are multiple. I've already stated them, but I'll explain again. First, your grammar is simply unacceptable to remain in the article. Second, Fandom and Wikia are unreliable sources, period. They are never reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. Third, we have various guidelines, such as the Manual of Style for Video Games, which guide how we write articles. Plots are meant to stay short and concise. While Tenebaum did not fully remove the influences all at once, we don't need to explain how each and every influence was resolved. This is excessive detail we don't need to cover here, it belongs at Fandom where fancruft is encouraged. We only give a concise summary of the most important plot points, in this case, that Tenebaum helped remove or resolve the influences. -- ferret (talk) 18:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Well me adding what am The Shrimps are stronger (talk) 18:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What I added on that paragraph didn't make it super long The Shrimps are stronger (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

How is my grammar unacceptable The Shrimps are stronger (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

"iPhone 9" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect IPhone 9. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 4 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Mz7 (talk) 21:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Video games Newsletter Q2 2020
03:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

why i made my edits
all i did was add up the numbers already provided — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:C900:61C0:40C3:8ED5:331A:3E3C (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Steam Publication
Hi ferret, please see this discussion per your recent reversions on Nehrim: At Fate's Edge. —Legoless (talk) 22:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied with MOS:VG guideline information. -- ferret (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

185.69.145.32
user:185.69.145.32 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 12:47, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Some hoaxing/socking
Hi! Since you blocked Special:Contributions/Jason_Carroll_25n, there seems to be new socking (and hoaxing?) at Special:Contributions/ElizabethNicoleTl and Special:Contributions/Liam388. I reverted the former yesterday without looking into it and then then the latter one popped up today. I don't think you connected them with Sockpuppet_investigations/Rd64e at the time and I haven't looked into their earlier contribs in-depth, but I'll make an SPI report later if needed. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * made the connection to Rd64e for the last set I had stumbled upon. I would say behavioral wise, ElizabethNicoleT1 is a definite. Liam388 has fewer edits but the overlap is pretty obvious. NRP, want to sweep or just block these two? -- ferret (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ,, and are ✅ to each other, and very  to the other socks I blocked.  Different IP range on the same ISP. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks NRP. I completed review and reverts on Liam and Elizabeth. Lisa had no edits yet. -- ferret (talk) 15:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

The timeline again.
Just curious if you can divide the color by the same exact year? I attempted it. Not working. Jhenderson 7 7 7  00:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Like doing 1995a_color and 1995b_color? That is not currently supported by the module, though it may be feasible to code. -- ferret (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes that...that was exactly my attempt!!! Jhenderson  7 7 7  00:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * So is there any way you can do the feasible code? The project I was doing is on hold due to realizing I couldn’t do that. Jhenderson  7 7 7  11:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to work on it right now, but possibly within the next few days. -- ferret (talk) 11:43, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok bro! I understand. Early thanks anyway! Jhenderson  7 7 7  14:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Ban appeal
Hello, is this the ferret on discord? Could I ask for a ban appeal?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 02:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, not if you can't even acknowledge why you were banned or explain how you'll behave differently. -- ferret (talk) 11:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Why I'm banned: My account was compromised by my brother and he sends the word "molester" with forum shopping method. How you'll behave differently: making him staying off my discord account.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

The Second Generation of Video Games really does need revising.
There is no evidence that these machines were all in the same generation and ample evidence against it including both the hardware itself and Coleco's own words: https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/flashbakcoleco2.jpg

The way it's set up now is entirely arbitrary. Putting the ColecoVision and 5200 with the 2600 is like grouping the Dreamcast with the Saturn/N64/PS1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.172.103 (talk) 01:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've already replied on the article talk page, you don't need to contact everyone separately and splinter discussion. -- ferret (talk) 01:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Battlefiled 5
Dear Feret, thank for your supervision - I did same in CZ even I am not admin but some pages where "flooded" by nationalist with sourcing to their own pages etc. I agree with you that in wiki should be "only" information with sources as in proper encyclopedia. In fact there is an issue that obvius information should be also provided. If Obama is "afroamerican" you dont have to use citattion to provide such information. In that moment I thing I have importatnt information which should be provided to other why not to share it. (OK I am something like the "source" - thats the issue). But still we are talking about obvious info which can (and should) be provided.

Wikipedia is not promotion or advertiment platform for companies and person comming there shoud get "all" relevant and important information. I propose u to put the info about hacking back.

Thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.220.225.176 (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No. This is not appropriate content for Wikipedia and does not comply with our policies. Most games have hackers and cheaters, it's not notable. -- ferret (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear ferret, I have reviwed my approach. I dont agree with you that "Most games have hackers and cheaters, it's not notable" That is notable. Game as any other product u pay should provide u what is expected. If most of gmaes is flooded by cheeters it SHOULD be mentioned. Why ? Because it is important for players (who is player - it consumer). Isn't it? If u buy a bread and bread is hard and uneatable if it happens once ok, it happens - if it is alwas all customers have right to know about it - thay pay for it (it's simply not free and somebody gain money from u (and even its free that would be important information). If the the bakery publicly say we provide such a hard bread u can!t eat it so ok. (but it still could be informatio for wiki :) I respect your openion and your may be differnt culture enviroment.

But as I stand on my openion too - to fullfil your requirement I am providing source (one by many others) kindly asking u to publish the information again (or I can do it) https://gamestoday.info/ps4/battlefield-5/the-current-state-of-bf5-and-the-cheating-problem-from-a-us-west-players-standpoint/

Your brother on wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.220.225.176 (talk) 17:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not a reliable source. The site is a junk blog that tries to trick users into allowing alerts. On top of that, the post in question is copied verbatim from a Reddit post, which is WP:USERG and not usable on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 17:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, u won. I cant spent 10 hours by searching source matching your criteria for something what is obviuos  to put to wiki so simple and true information (i am pretty sure). Such information wont be in New York Times heh... Currently i suspect u if u play fair or suppor game owner. Regards (may be I am not experienced enough on wiki, but still such resistance I havn't met yet. If u want to talk faster u can contact me on discord (nick "Dolord") may be together we can get forward faster) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.220.225.176 (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Bro
It was an improvement Rugswar (talk) 02:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It most certainly was not. -- ferret (talk) 02:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Playstation 2 - infobox
Hi , can you link where the discussion took place. Did you read my edit summary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeA1 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course I read your edit summary. I, and several other editors, disagree with your reasoning. The infobox does not need to link the consoles multiple times, especially not in two fields that are adjacent to each other. The consensus is established through the fact that this is long standing convention and MOS, and why there was a hidden note there already when you first attempted to change it. As the party who wants to change the article from a MOS-compliant status quo, the burden is on your to open a discussion and convince those who have reverted you. -- ferret (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I took a look at the last 150 edits (which is almost a full year worth of edits) on the Playstation 2 article. There were a few reverts on this particular issue but non of them explicitly mentioned the MOS:REPEATLINK rule. Further, you mentioned that I started an edit war which I don't have a recollection of. Today was my first ever revert of the article in question. As I said, most people come to Wikipedia to find specific information and not to read the entire article so I believe that this linking is helpful even though it's adjacent. To summaries, I don't see a need to start a discussion regarding this question LukeA1 (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The need to start a discussion is evident in the fact that you've been opposed by two editors directly, and more can be seen in the history of the article over this particular link. Per WP:BRD, you boldly made a change, and it was reverted. Instead of discussing, you reinstated your edit. Now that I've reverted you, and explained that there's a history behind this as noted by the hidden note, you can have the choice of either leaving it as is, or to open a discussion and argue your case. That you don't see a need to discuss is irrelevant, your change has been opposed. The talk page is over at Talk:PlayStation 2. -- ferret (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I opened a query on the talk page LukeA1 (talk) 19:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Possible block evasion
Just giving you a head's up on this possible block evasion since you were the blocking admin. Not sure if you deal with those or not, but I thought I'd inform you at least. -2pou (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied, case is closed, not a sock. -- ferret (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Self-requested block from User:Train of Knowledge
Hello, I am going to take a Wikibreak for around 6 weeks because I am having a lot of work to do. Can you please block me until 05:00 UTC, 18 September 2020. Thank you. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 08:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

AdamUsername
is back from his block and went right back to edit warring. I thought I'd let you know since you were the last blocking admin. Nathan2055talk - contribs 23:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CIR blocked. -- ferret (talk) 23:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm in the process of rolling back his remaining edits. Nathan2055talk - contribs 23:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Joy Bridenbaker
Hi Ferret, this is an urgent some new user goes by the name User:Manhattan, NYC. has made a messy article titled Joy Bridenbaker. The article has no citation sources and User:Manhattan, NYC. has not put a citation template properly and the newcomer user has put the https on the reflist. I just know that she is a non-notable actress and and it needs a speedy deletion or the articles for deletion. Could you review the review on how messy the article looks like for Joy Bridenbaker. If this article is still messy it's either a speedy deletion or an "Articles for deletion" to be deleted. I am 100% positive that she is a non-notable actress. So could you talk to User:Manhattan, NYC. because the user is a newcomer never create the article that is very messy and never put the https addresses without the proper citation source properly. I hope you will reply as soon as you can. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:F549:C521:80C2:7662 (talk) 01:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've draftified it for now, as an unsourced BLP. -- ferret (talk) 02:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * User:JavaHurricane has placed Draft:Joy Bridenbaker for speedy deletion under CSD G11. If you are an administrator could you speedy delete Draft:Joy Bridenbaker under CSD G11 and tell User:JavaHurricane to say thank you. Reply me very soon. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:F549:C521:80C2:7662 (talk) 02:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Fix ping.  Java Hurricane  02:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Manhattan, NYC. has restored it to an article again for Joy Bridenbaker please revert it hurry and tell User:Manhattan, NYC. to never restore the article again. 2001:569:74D2:A800:F549:C521:80C2:7662 (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the mainspace redirect and the draft. -- ferret (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You forgot to delete Draft talk:Joy Bridenbaker as well. Thanks for you cooperation. 2001:569:74D2:A800:F549:C521:80C2:7662 (talk) 02:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Joy Bridenbaker is also for speedy deletion under CSD G8 too as well. Speedy delete Joy Bridenbaker's talk page that was previously deleted as an article as well. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:F549:C521:80C2:7662 (talk) 02:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Realm of the Mad God
Hello, I considered the possibility of unreliable sources when editing the page, but unfortunately, there are a lack of many "reliable sources" about the game in its current state. The developers of Realm of the Mad God, DECA Games, do not have an official in-house message board to post announcements or updates about the game. Therefore, they primarily use the /r/rotmg subreddit and Discord instead. They also have a blog called "Realm Remastered" for miscellaneous updates and future plans. "Official DECA" posts from Reddit must be considered a reliable source in this case. Information about game mechanics are also poorly documented in reliable sources (the in-game tutorial does a fairly poor job of explaining them). - Drgnshark (talk) 16:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia requires reliable sources, per WP:V and WP:RS. If the sources don't exist, it simply cannot be on Wikipedia. Primary sources, like the official blog above, can be used to source simple basic facts. If the Reddit account is verified, it may also work as a primary source. Primary sources must be used careful to make simple statements of fact, see WP:PRIMARY. The wikis and reddit posts by anyone else however cannot be used here. -- ferret (talk) 16:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Self-checking my edit
Hey, it's been too long - how's life as an administrator treating you? I recently caught on that Prisencolin took aim at Fancruft and that you've had to take charge of compensating for his antics. While he was trying to have the essay deleted, he also tried to change its meaning, or at least water it down. Since I decided to revert his edit, I wanted to also check with you, to see if you found my revision constructive. What are your thoughts?  D ÅRTH B ØTTØ ( T • C ) 17:11, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm no authority here beyond familiarity with what went on that week(s), but agree with the revert. I must have missed that. I'm sure you've dug deep enough to see how bad the gaming and forumshopping there is. -- ferret (talk) 17:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've encountered him a number of times over the years. He's a competent enough editor, but he mostly creates very obtuse, trivia pages on subject matters that really don't need to be there. Also, he generally doesn't engage in discussion with other editors and when he does, it's comprised of grilling and accusations of bias. Essentially, he either doesn't talk enough or he talks too much. But, indeed; he's a good article creator who seems to understand things well enough, which may be why his roundabout methods to keep topics in the main space can be offensive.  D ÅRTH B ØTTØ ( T • C ) 17:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Battlefield 1942 - Mods section
Hi ferret. (hope I posted that at the right place...) Yesterday, I've put back the entry for the mod "Action Battlefield" that had been there for years since I put it in originally. (Tweaked it a bit since I was much younger when I added it) :) Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battlefield_1942&action=edit&section=7

I saw that you decided to remove that entry. Reason: "isn't optional based on age of content". I understand, it's old stuff that maybe you never heard of. :) I would like you to reconsider. I would like this part of the BF1942 mod community (ActionBF was the first and a major contributor to the community) to stay in the history of the game on Wikipedia! :) Let me explain.

Being the creator of the mod myself, I originally decided to add the entry because I didn't know who to ask for that (wiki noob, still am tbh :)) and realized the best person to describe it would be myself. (That's what most mod creators did back then anyways. lol) When I saw the entry removed because "unreliable video game source" I was surprised because as I said, it had been there for years and that most of the entries were in the same situation. These mods were made by small dedicated teams of passionate Battlefield 1942 players that brought the Mod community up to where it was and played a major role in pushing the game devs to publish mod tools (my mod and most other mods were made without tools, the hard way initally). I've personnaly worked for 3 years on my mod full time. It was the first publicly released mod for the game. It was a blast to work on but it was hard. I won't go into too much detail (already wall of text), but some of the ideas that appeared in BF1942 sequels were inspired by those I actually coded and designed for my mod. Around 1 million downloads later, I decided to discontinue the mod. Also, BF2 got released. Passion is a thing, but you don't make much money with passion and free mods. Still that mod got me a job at a major VG company. So yay!

All that to say, my mod played a major role in the mod community for this game and future sequels. I would like you to reconsider the removal as, like I said, like other mods listed there, most websites hosting these mods are down now and most of these were distributed alongside magazines that cannot be found nowadays. Here's the trailer for the final version of the mod. It's very "homemade" with what a young designer could find at his disposal back then with 0$. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyZkEH-pR0Y

Have a good day, MQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.232.47 (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ferret. I understand that you think your software work was important or should be celebrated, or that readers want to read about it. We, the editing community, don't care. What we do is cobble together articles based upon reliable sources. We care about verifying facts while caring not at all about what might be factually true. Not everything that happened is notable. Because Wikipedia is not an open webhost for your documentation, we don't allow hard-working folks like you to colonize a little corner of an article because it makes you happy. Sorry, but that's not how it works here. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Chris. Most of the other mod entries are exactly in the same situation as mine. Without "reliable sources", written by their own creators and old entries. It's hard to understand why they're still up then and why mine can't. Especially since it resided on your website for years prior to the deletion and that the mod itself played an important part for that gaming community. I'm not trying to "colonize wikipedia" to make me happy and I guess it's not your job to care about how passionate people are when they add information on your website. The reason why I wrote such a wall of text in my request was not to make my mod sound so "notable", like you say, but to add context to the request. Figurativeley speaking, I barely added back the letter G to the alphabet listing on your website and it got deleted which makes your listing incomplete and leaves me confused. On a last note, I'll have to admit that the condescending tone of the explanation that you provided above surprised me at first. I then realised that you guys definitely have to put up with hirate/bad people frequently, so it's understandable I guess. Still, a bad first impression from Wikipedia. Have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.232.47 (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Reliable source" does not mean the same thing on Wikipedia as what you might be thinking of. WP:RS is the guideline in question. Sources written by their owners / creators are what we consider primary sources, and they give no indication of notability or importance. We don't include something because it wrote about itself. What we require is reliable secondary sources, independent sources that are known for fact checking that cover the subject in question, showing some form of importance. You must be able to provide direct citations showing the mod got the claimed attention. What was the URL? The issue/volume of the magazine, and publication date? A great deal of older articles and features can be found in the archives at web.archive.org.
 * Keep in mind as well no article is perfect. That another mod or two sneaks in that doesn't have proper sourcing isn't grounds to add more, it just means they didn't get noticed. I've cleared out a few more improperly sourced entries just now. -- ferret (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my tone; thank you for your understanding. Yes, your argument is familiar, though discredited. The few times that I have nominated other articles for deletion in response to a request like yours, for seeking to remove the offending content. Once, . Wikipedia's systemic bias grows from the source material available. There is a point to be made that more media outlets don't cover work like these mods.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 19:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Astroneer edit
Hello, you deleted my edits in the Astroneer Wikipedia page for not sourcing reliable sources. I understand the concern, however, the forum posts were made by the developers themselves. Is there any other reason you deleted my edits? Thanks. Ronsiv8 (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The part where I linked to WP:NOTCHANGELOG. Unless an update is particularly noteworthy because reliable secondary sources took notice of them, we do not maintain running change logs of game patches. -- ferret (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Deadly Premonition 2: A Blessing in Disguise
About the games conversial deadnaming. It is real and was partially but not fully patched. You didn't leave me time to set a source but here it is: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-07-22-deadly-premonition-2-dev-claims-transgender-content-fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.237.74 (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC) It cound honestly use a "Controversy" section as major outlets covered this even outside their reviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.237.74 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Then add the sources. Making edits without sources, especially controversial claims such as this, will be quickly reverted if you don't. -- ferret (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

request unblock
I'm at a loss to follow these instructions to request being unblocked from Melanie A. Stansbury's page: "add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: . -- ferret (talk) 00:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)" as there is nowhere "below the block notice" on my talk page in which to insert copy. I'm not sure how we came to this "reprimand" in the first place, but at this point, I am only interested in affecting one simple change to Stansbury's page: I'd like to add a photograph of her. If this is going to be a problem or time consuming, I will step out of the picture (no pun intended) entirely.Desert Diva NM (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly how you just left a message here on my talk page. However, it's unlikely that an unblock will occur, as your statements here that you want to continue editing Stansbury's page and that you don't understand the "reprimand" indicate you have not read the notices and warnings left on your talk page. The same issue is exhibited by your fellow editor BiostatSci. Read the conflict of interest notice that is on your talk page. Follow the instructions it gives regarding making edit requests. -- ferret (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

raven
Hi I was wondering if you can add raven software as a primary developer since they are developing Cold War — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.170.57 (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Something I don't understand
Hello ferret, there's one user who is messaging my wall in words I don't understand. This is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Manw%C3%AB986&oldid=977404138. I don't know if this user's account is valid or not. --Manwë986 (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's an IP. You're free to remove it if you don't understand what they're asking. -- ferret (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Assistance with an Article for Creation
Hello Ferret!

First of all, my name is Calvin, and I am currently working on my first ever Article for Creation! I come to your talk page to ask for assistance with said AfC, and I found your user page by reading the list of active administrators on Wikipedia! I also read through your user page and you seem to be a very thoughtful and helpful editor. I am here to ask for help with the article for Kurt Kerns (Draft:Kurt Kerns) who was a member of the rock band Gravity Kills and since then has gone on to become a notable architect.

The Article for Creation has hit numerous blocks for not passing notability guidelines, and just recently the editor that Rejected the draft told me that he was not convinced, and I should try to ask another editor for their opinion. I would love for you to take a look at the page if you have time and let me know what you think! If you look at the draft's talk page, you can see the dialogue I had with the other editor about the AfC meeting the WP:AUTHOR guidelines, and his reasoning for Rejecting. I do not agree with the editor's reasonings, and I am interested in what you think of this issue.

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and I look forward to receiving your input. Thank you!

Calvin Foss (talk) 20:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with the AfC reviewers. In addition, the article is dangerously close to being a WP:CSD G11 promotional deletion in my view. Much of the article content isn't directly about Kerns but about his band, job, and company. The personal life section has an entire paragraph of BLP claims that's completely unsourced. might be willing to take a look as he works in the artist/music space more than me, but I would not accept this draft in it's current state. Also, I've noted you have a COI declaration on your user page. It might be best to state that up front when approaching others to review your content. -- ferret (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As info. -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your prompt reply! I understand what you are saying about it seeming promotional, and I can try to edit the draft to change that perception. I am not employed by Kerns, and my intent was to make the article from a neutral point of view. I will certainly state the COI up front in the future, and thank you for your recommendation of another editor to review the page! Have a great day!
 * Calvin Foss (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hi Ferret

My apologies. This is my first attempt to edit anything on Wikipedia and, having not read your conditions I didn't realize that I should not be editing a page which I definitely have a connection to.

I have a question however, we are about to launch our game PACER on Steam, PS4 and XB1 and need a Wiki entry which more accurately reflects the game on its autogenerated YouTube page

As you can see from the link the YouTube page doesn't show a proper graphic. It begs the question", how did our logo (PACER) get up on the wiki page in the first place?

Any help you can offer would be gratefully received.

JohnP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purdisc (talk • contribs) 01:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * File:PACER-logo-bg-1050x525.png says that it was uploaded from VergeMagazine's site. It's under discussion for deletion but it's slow moving. Normally many logos are public domain under the argument that they are too simple. An editor has questioned whether this logo fits that bill. However, even if it would fall under PD-Text, there's a false claim of a CC 4.0 license. You may want to leave a comment on that deletion discussion. Note: This is only a problem because it's been uploaded to Commons. Commons requires freely licensed or public domain content. If it does fall under copyright, it could still be uploaded to English Wikipedia under our fair use guidelines. -- ferret (talk) 01:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note this is also why the image you uploaded yourself was deleted. It was non-free content that was uploaded to Commons. Commons uploads must be completely freely licensed. Very few publishers and developers release content under a free license. -- ferret (talk) 01:32, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

WoW Classic Fork
Hi there - I noticed you reverted my recent edit on World of Warcraft Classic. I still think "fork" is a far more accurate term than "server option". Sources that reference it as a fork are here: 1 2 3. Source #2 directly quotes J. Allen Brack (Blizzard president) mentioning that, at the very least, the server-side code is indeed a fork of the modern WoW server architecture. The way the client-side code is described is a bit murky, but considering that they used a continuation of the pre-expansion version numbering scheme (currently 1.13.5.35753) and the Classic code is now being patched independently of modern WoW, "fork" still seems to be the most accurate description of WoW Classic. To myself and I'd imagine most readers, "server option" indicates that the same client-side code is being utilized, and that is clearly not the case here. Curious to know your thoughts. Paradox society  16:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This should be raised at the article's talk page if you feel it should be changed so that other page watchers can chime in if they would like. -- ferret (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I've moved my comment there. Paradox  society  16:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Abusive edit
Hello, I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to report this.

I made a few edits to the Nintendo Switch games list - I spotted that Atomik: RunGunJumpGun had been changed to Atomik: Run Gun Jump Gun (i.e. with spaces). This is incorrect, so I changed it back. I also changed "Funtime" to "#Funtime" as once again, I believe that to be the correct title.

This then resulted in the changes being reverted, with the following abusive comment posted.

It's easy enough to revert that edit, but considering the comment, I wanted to flag it in case reverting the change leads to a cycle of reverts, which isn't great. JamminBen (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Update - also spotted this edit, which was reverted. JamminBen (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've blocked him. He's had a long long serious of "final" warnings and repeated blocks for similar "won't follow consensus" and civility issues. -- ferret (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. JamminBen (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Possible sock?
Hey there, I suspect that is a sock of. Some of his edits are to Paper Mario articles to change the genre, as the blocked user did. Their bios are also similar: Captain vs Gamerguy --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Endorse on duck evidence, could we get a quick check? -- ferret (talk) 23:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I just realized that there's been 5+ UTRS appeals of Gamerguy94's block, resulting in a UTRS block just days ago. As info. CaptainWheeler86 quacks hard, probably hard enough not to bother CU but I like to be sure. -- ferret (talk) 00:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The timing is intriguing. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 00:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

What the hell? I have no idea what you're even talking about! I've never heard of anybody here before! All I saw was the notification that you had written here! I also was lead to believe that editing articles is perfectly acceptable on Wikipedia! Is editing articles not allowed or something? If it's not allowed, I never got that memo! I just thought that I was following the general consensus that was reached on the talk pages! I always make sure I'm following consensus whenever I make an edit on a page! Is that wrong? If it is, then I apologize! Still, if anyone's open to reaching a consensus on those pages, then let's do it! I'm all for working things like this out in a civil and respectable way! In fact, I do that at my current job all the time! If we can reach a consensus like the one I had seen on the pages, then let's do it! CaptainWheeler86 (talk) 04:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

What in the hell are UTRS and CU? I've never heard those terms here before! Also, what did you mean when you said that I "quack hard"? I don't quack whatsoever! (that last part- while still true- was said in a joking manner! Just so you know!) CaptainWheeler86 (talk) 04:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

"Timing"? What are you even talking about? I don't even know what anybody here is even referring to! CaptainWheeler86 (talk) 04:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably just a coincidence. I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Ferret will (pardon the pun) it out. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 04:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, that's fine! I was just wondering since I randomly started getting notifications about things that I have no idea as to why I was even mentioned in the notifications to begin with! It's all good!
 * ✅ and blocked. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The replies overnight (for me) would have been enough duck confirmation lol. Thanks :) -- ferret (talk) 11:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I know commenting on IPs is forbidden but I don't recall if you can reveal general geolocate. If you can, was this guy off Turkey? I just blocked a Turkish /18 that made a similar edit. I believe most edits in that /18 are however. -- ferret (talk) 12:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I can't really comment on anything that I see via the CU tool, though my personal policy is stricter than policy requires. Some parts of local or global policy are vague enough to allow certain kinds of disclosures under certain conditions, but it's a minefield that I prefer to avoid.  Local policy explicitly allows me to comment on the veracity of what they've voluntarily revealed, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 13:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Overwatch Category
Hi, I wanted to ask about the Woman soldier and warrior characters in video games category regarding Overwatch characters. I added the category to the pages for female playable characters in the game, as they all have the ability to combat enemies in various ways, which I why I thought they should be classed as warriors. Could you please explain this? Thank you.The Editor 155 (talk) 14:37, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "Warrior" in any given setting generally suggests some sort of hand to hand or weapon based fighter archetype. It doesn't simply suggest "combatant". None of these characters are designed as "warriors" and none of them are explicitly "soldiers" in their back stories. Where as Pharah is definitely a soldier, and Ana a former soldier, similarly Soldier 76 and Reaper were soldiers. Reinhart and Brigette would fit more typical definitions of a "warrior" in that they are melee fighters. Even the real world definition at warrior would not fit just "any combatant", as Mei and Moira for example are not an individuals "specialized in combat and warfare", but scientists. -- ferret (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clarifying.The Editor 155 (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Temp
My bad ferret, I just wanted to add some colors to the template. The default looks dated and I wanted to add some life to it not to mess with accessibility issues. Kp2016rockin (talk) 14:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Shiho Fujii
I would like to get the code back for the page mentioned in the subject line so I can recreate it with more sources for notability. Thanks, Lynel Yumoto (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You're creating several articles that are non-notable in rapid succession. I'm willing to restore it to a draft but you need to send it through AFC for a proper review. -- ferret (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it right now. Lynel Yumoto (talk) 18:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You can find it at Draft:Shiho Fujii. Please submit through AFC when you believe it's ready. -- ferret (talk) 18:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Video games Newsletter Q3 2020
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Would appreciate your input
Normally I wouldn't ask for feedback on an ANI report cause it gets into canvassing territory, but I've been keeping tabs on the editor for some months now, first warning them about their edits on their talk page about problems with their edits, namely changing normal words to hyperlinks, changing language to informal, and changing quotes so they differ from the source. I contacted the user about these problems months ago, but they have not responded or taken heed it seems, so I submitted an ANI report here, where another user responded and seemed to have noticed the same problems. Other than that, another editor responded on my entry on the user's talk page, mirroring concerns about their edits. But my first report seems to have fallen through the cracks. Given that the user is still continuing these kinds of edits, I've submitted a new one with more examples of the behavior I'm describing, and more can be seen on the entry I left on their talk page. I would really appreciate your input on my expanded report here as I can't see any reason the reports are falling through. Eik Corell (talk) 13:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Randy Pitchford
Hey ferret. So, Bae-Bong-Cha has, as far as I can tell, nothing to do with the others. But NichePenguinLifestyle and Lukepicardkirk, that's a different story: there are technical suggestions that this is indeed socking, though from different places--but I can't place a CU block. What you can do is assess if there are behavioral correspondences, and decide to block on the basis of that. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Drmies. I had just asked NRP if he'd take a look. I've moved my request to him here for completeness. Also, sorry for pings MER-C, just want to included involved people and be above board:
 * Willing to check ? See Randy Pitchford for context and related IPs. Possibly a COI farm that has been blocking. See also staler blocked COIs: . -- ferret (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As for the behavioral evidence the content Lukepicardkirk is pushing back into the article and actively editing was originally built and inserted by AleksanderVicky. Lukepicardkirk had actively edited the article within 24 hours of AleksanderVicky as well. -- ferret (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Could be fanboys, could be paid socks. When a bunch of meat puppets converge on an article that someone has been trying to clean up, it's difficult not to make assumptions, though.  One thing that I can say from looking through the logs is that some of these accounts were already checked, and they seem to have been using proxies.  In fact, I already ran a check on  back in March because I suspected she was part of a paid sock farm.  I was keeping an eye on that sock farm, but they eventually fell off my radar before the Pitchford edits.  I still suspect undisclosed paid editing, but these editors seem a bit more subtle than the usual PR hacks who load up articles with absurd puffery. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I forgot: one of them,, screwed up and accidentally posted a link to his spam-for-hire website while copy-pasting content. That's what triggered my interest in these guys.  They were centered around New York politics at the time. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox video games/sandbox
Thanks for the undo. To be fair, I did look at the page history and saw the last edit was over a month old, so I saw no need to look further. I was wrong. Now I know that some sandboxes need to be stable for more than a month.

If the need to keep the sandbox frozen for longer than a month, consider putting a monthly dummy edit on the sandbox with an edit summary asking people to not use that sandbox until the issue is resolved, so others don't make the same mistake I did.

Another option for "long term use" sandboxes is to create a second sandbox just for this purpose and tweak the doc page to link to both sandboxes and perhaps even a second set of testcases.

The irony is that it turned out I didn't need to edit that template after all. That's why you didn't see any edits after the revert. I was chasing after a problem that was in another template, not that one. That problem has since been solved. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  22:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of sandbox usage. There's just little reason to reset them if you have no changes to make or propose at the time though. -- ferret (talk) 22:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, there is little need to reset them, but at the time, I was planning on testing some things. As it turned out, it was not necessary.  Again, thanks for the revert.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  22:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I did what you told me
In your message you said For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author of the article used. That's what I did, and I explained it in my edit summary. Re your second message and revert, are you being deliberately obtuse? You say the article was started "in 2008". How did you arrive at that conclusion? THIS is the original version. Note the use of the words "licensed" and "film". 86.1.2.109 (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Uh, that's how Americans spell both words too. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The first appearance of American English vs British English is during the 2008 mergers of several games into the list, here, where customized appeared. In the subsequent mergers, "gray" and "defense" are also introduced. Prior to this, there were no ENGVAR relevant words, ignoring the company name Gray Matter. -- ferret (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Here are three examples:, , .  I've not found one example where Americans use the British spelling.   The original author says (s)he lives in the United Kingdom, which is patently obvious from the use of the word "film". 86.1.2.109 (talk) 19:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Uh, American English is license / licensed. I've no idea why those documents use the archaic "licenced", but "c" versions are typically British while American uses "s". Same as Defense (US) vs Defence (UK). Wikipedia always refers to films as films, never "movies", see MOS:FILM. -- ferret (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Change picture of Call of Duty Mobile app icon
Hi Ferret can i change the app picture of Call of Duty Mobile to the 1st Anniveresay app icon? Russell Adler (talk) 22:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)From, Russell Adler
 * This is being discussed at the article's talk page as it should be. -- ferret (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Sppadang user talk block?
You indeffed a few days ago. Since then, the user has been making only unconstructive edits on their talk page. Do you want to block their talk page access? Largoplazo (talk) 12:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 13:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Potential LTA Case(s)
Hi ferret. I've recently been investigating a string of disruptive editing, which appears to be an LTA. There doesn't seem to be a case page for it, but I've seen you block and revert a few of these instances as such, so I wanted to reach out to see what you knew about them. The MO I'm referencing (I'm purposely eliding some behaviors) is the addition "cancelled [game console] games" categories and their IPs being based in Ireland. I don't have too much practice with LTA handling, so I have a few questions: That covers the gist of it. Thanks! Perryprog (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've looked pretty thoroughly, but is there an LTA page for this person that I've missed?
 * Should a case page be made? Several of the non-category related edits often fly under the radar as appearing good-faith, while misinformative in nature.
 * Should IPs of this nature be reported to AIV? This is what I normally go for, but I don't want to report them if it is either unclear or not established that they are an LTA/block-evading account.
 * This user appears to pretty frequently switch IPs, even after around ten edits with zero warnings. If an IP appears abandoned, should it still be reported? Or should only obviously active IPs that fit the LTA profile be reported?
 * And a meta question: are questions in the open (like this one) fine, or is it better or resort to email, as per the cautionary notes on WP:LTA? (If not, please feel free to remove this and email me instead.)
 * No LTA page for them to my knowledge, but I have them somewhat documented here and you're free to take that information or add to it. The user should be reverted as vandalism/hoax and reported to AIV as such. If the IP has already moved on to a new one, little point in reporting the old one, but if you have several IPs together, you can take it to ANI and request a range block. I'm also happy to look into it. -- ferret (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping, looks like this guy is still active. -- ferret (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , good to know. I've done a pretty thorough analysis of their former edits so I'll likely add on a notes and other bits of information. While a range block sadly isn't viable, I've gone and reported the last active IP to AIV. For the most part they don't seem to return to former IPs, but I'll keep an eye on them just in case. Perryprog (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , blocked. The range is Special:Contributions/109.76.176.0/20 but as this is the first for-sure IP in that range I did not block yet. -- ferret (talk) 02:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , looking over the addresses I've seen so far, there's no easy way to get a low-collateral range block; the best I can get is two IPs within one IP block. The ISP is Vodafone so I assume it's just cellular or a wandering IP. Unless something changes, I'm thinking blocking future individual instances is the best bet. Perryprog (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Just budding in here -- If it's relevant, the way I've caught a lot of them is that they return to certain articles over and over. For example, the Astro Boy and Nacho Libre game articles. Most of these IPs are single-use for vandalism to game articles, but there are many other IPs for example this one where the majority of their edits are unverifiable edits to kids TV show related articles, but with these video game platform vandalism edits hidden amongst such a slew of unverifiable additions that could also be hiding similar vandalism, and the changes are often so small, so vague, and in so great quantities and across so many IPs that establishing any pattern seems impossible. One way to proceed from here would be to watch the articles that are continuous targets. Other than that, the only info I have is that going back through article histories, this all seems to have started or at least ramped up around June, and that this all seems very similar to to WP:KIDSTVDATES. Eik Corell (talk) 09:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , this definitely matches what I've seen. I've noticed that they also have an interest in similarly factually incorrect edits in areas like Entertainment Rights, which you've probably seen as well. This makes some of the behaviors weirdly similar to some of this things that Brianmagallano has done, even though it's clearly a different person. I think it's most likely just a coincidence. I think your assessment regarding KIDSTVDATES is pretty accurate, although I certainly can't explain it. It's definitely a distinct behavior from both poorly executed good-faith edits as well as bad-faith unverifiable edits. I recall in the past I've seen edits in a similar style that confused me, but I didn't end up investigating them, so that's also puzzling. And of course, as I said earlier, I'll make sure to record what I've found in the sock-drawer. Perryprog (talk) 20:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , just a courtesy ping as your sockdrawer is one of your user pages: I refactored the list of inactive Cancelled Platform IPs to be in a table and to use the template, and also made it auto-collapsed. It was getting a little lengthy and I figured it wouldn't hurt to hide it by default. Obviously feel free to change it back if that's not how you prefer it, and if you're OK with it, I can refactor the other long list of Cancelled Platform IPs to be similar. Perryprog (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's fine (I have it watchlisted too) -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for notifying me, i'm still new here. i don't have any problems with you editing any content which is not right, ill be a little careful next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Impractical666 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

List of game engines
Hi,

I see that you have reverted my changes on the grounds that the game engines differ only in the games listed. The reason why I have split this engine into 3 separate ones is not only due to different games using them, but also due to different licensing terms. I can remove the Notes and references section in HPL 2 and HPL 3 to avoid duplication, however, I think that the distinct licensing terms are important. Please let me know what do you think.

Thanks and regards, Robert Hubinak (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just as easy to denote that HPL 3 has a different license, which avoids duplication as well as repeatedly linking the same article. Note that Unity, Unreal and several other prominent engines do not have separate entries for each version, despite sometimes drastic differences. There's a row per article, not per version. A few particular engines do happen to have multiple articles, but it's not the norm. -- ferret (talk) 00:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information, that sounds reasonable. Best regards, Robert Hubinak (talk) 09:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

release date change
I changed the release date from 1983 to 1985 due to the fact every other console had the year it was released in the US --2601:3C5:8200:97E0:8031:AEE7:92F4:CA6D (talk) 05:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I think you've made a mistake.
Can you be bothered to explain why you just stripped away hundreds of changes to the Source engine page? You have not given any reasons as to why you just reverted all my additions — Preceding unsigned comment added by HammerEditor (talk • contribs) 23:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I very clearly gave a reason: "Several improper changes, unsourced additions, removal of reliably sourced content, and reliance on PRIMARY and USERG sources." To boil it down, the sourcing is completely wrong. You can read about sourcing at WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:OR. Otherwise, please use the article's talk page to argue in favor of your changes. Please do not reinstate without discussing or addressing the sourcing issues, such as the overrealiance on Wiki sites including Valve's Wiki. These are not acceptable sources on Wikipedia, see WP:USERG. -- ferret (talk) 23:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

You're crazy Instead of building the source engine page up you would rather it stay stagnent. and what do you mean I used valves developer wiki as a source? Show me that instance. I only see it used to link to technical pages about binary space partitions and mesh rendering. These are not sources my friend — Preceding unsigned comment added by HammerEditor (talk • contribs) 23:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I must be crazy. There's no way that I understand the sourcing policy of Wikipedia and am correct. I've replied on the article's talk page, please don't reply here again. -- ferret (talk) 23:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Call of Duty Cold War Controversy edits
So I looked through history and found that you edited out "Walker's article attracted criticism in response.[36][37]". The reasoning you gave was that the sources were dubious. After looking into the articles, and Wikipedia's history with the sources, Wikipedia articles have used these sources multiple times before for other articles. beyond that, the content in the articles is a refutation and makes the controversy section feel more balanced. If you have more to add for reasoning, please do so, because I feel that based on what has been set precedent (these articles being used as sources for Wikipedia pages) that the sources are valid and the text therefore should remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FireboltLegend (talk • contribs) 04:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This is being discussed at the article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for providing citations that you were basically asking for?
Why would you block me for adding citations, when you said that I needed to add citations? That seems rather unfair. --Thoric (talk) 18:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You can re-read the COI guidelines I've already left you and use the talk pages. -- ferret (talk) 18:17, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did read them. I guess I assumed that citations/references were not the same as actual "content", and the guidelines do not say that COI forbids edits, only that they are "strongly discouraged". Sorry if I misunderstood this. --Thoric (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2020 (UTC)