User talk:Ferret/Archive 4

Titanfall 2
Thanks for looking at this more closely. I reverted my original edit because I immediately thought that I had made a mistake by labeling the change as vandalism. I think that was a mistake. Although I did think the change was a bit odd, I decided to undo the revert as the change might have been arguable and could not justify a reversion. You have cleared that up and have given a reminder that a closer look is often a good idea and may clear up some ambiguity. Donner60 (talk) 21:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. Assuming good faith is hardly a fault either ;) -- ferret (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Wii U discontinuation
I saw those IP edits to Wii U. The reason I didn't fully revert the IP and instead only removed the Switch part is because I found this. Nintendo has confirmed that the last Wii U has already left for the retailer.  — Gestrid  ( talk ) 21:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They haven't specified an exact date though, right? Sergecross73   msg me  21:35, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Nor did they say for all regions. The Nov 10th dates that keeps getting added was the date the JP site was updated with "Discontinuing Soon" (Or similar text). The original source is here. Note that Nintendo only says that units for this fiscal year have been shipped. We know its ending soon, that much is sure, but we don't have any solid "when" yet. -- ferret (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok.  — Gestrid  ( talk ) 23:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I love hidden comments. I've  to the infobox in the article.  —  Gestrid  ( talk ) 23:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

HL2 "D0g" correcting
take a look at this http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Dog -Andrew (talk) 17:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikia is not a reliable source. -- ferret (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * that's what everyone says for every source. -Andrew (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikis are specifically called out in WP:USERG, which is a Wikipedia guideline. You should give the guideline a solid read through if you're having difficulty with sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

THQ Artical Problem
Hi. I see you keep putting things on my talk page about "vandalism to the THQ artical." It's not vandalism, it's a rumored cause of the bankruptcy. If you still don't believe me, here are my sources: http://thehalloweenhorrorblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/pipebomb-my-experience-with-thq-cawsws_8.html http://thehalloweenhorrorblog.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-evil-that-is-cawsws-more-into.html Yes, I know they're from the same blog, but it doesn't matter. That's what caused it whether you like it or not. -MetallicaMan800 (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * First off, you didn't use any sources, so the edit appeared to be a clear case of vandalism. Second, those blogs are not reliable in the least as a source. Third, it's absolutely absurd to believe that these two blog posts on some small random blog with less than 25 posts had any affect at all on a major company's stock prices. -- ferret (talk) 12:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks.
Thanks for helping out with the Plants vs. Zombies Heroes Page. I'd like a little bit more help though.RickEakman (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What kind of help would you be looking for? I had planned to spend time on this article and expand it, but I've been busy lately in real life. There's a fair amount of sourcing available. -- ferret (talk) 19:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking we should add more to the Development section. I think it's a little too empty. RickEakman (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Like I said, I'm busy at the moment, but if one of the issues you are facing is finding sources to use with the development section, read over WP:VG/RS. It includes a custom google search that will let you find sites that are already vetted as reliable. Just search for the game's name in quotes as a start. When I looked several weeks ago, I noted a fair amount of coverage for the game's announcement, preview, and post-release reviews. There should be plenty to get started with. -- ferret (talk) 20:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that
Sorry about that misinformation, got the news in December so that's why I thought of that, thank you for correcting me about it.ComputBreak (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. Just as information, the "as of" template should only be changed when the counts are updating due to rows being added, removed or updated. This lets people know the last time someone recalculated the counts. -- ferret (talk) 13:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:TimeSplitters (series)
You contributed to TimeSplitters (series), so I invite you to the RM discussion. --George Ho (talk) 05:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've replied with an oppose, based on WP:NCVGDAB. I don't think anyone stopped to actually read it. -- ferret (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Wrong?
Check out Super Mario Maker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mario Maker (talk • contribs) 02:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Characters of Overwatch
Why was https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characters_of_Overwatch&oldid=756170404 reverted? Sources were provided, as well as some minor edits that don't have to do with the gameplay strategies (wording, Sombra's name). Moreover, all offense heroes have ahd strategies specified for them, but only Tracer's was removed. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhnigo (talk • contribs) 13:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - I don't know much about Overwatch or the accuracy/appropriateness of the content, but for starters, you sourced a lot of the info from "overwatch.gamepedia" which sounds like a wiki/wikia type website. On Wikipedia, you can't use other wiki-type websites to source information, because they can be changed/altered at any point by random people. It fails WP:USERG. Also, the WP:BURDEN is on you to find better sources - and people are well in their right to remove the content until better content/sourcing is supplied. They are not required to add "" tags as you suggested... Sergecross73   msg me  13:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I see - thanks! Zhnigo (talk) 14:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sergecross has the right of it. We cannot use Wikia/Gamepedia/etc as a source. I apologize for not being clearer on that. I was replying more to your edit note than the actual edit content, because I wanted to point out Masem was correct in removing unsourced content. -- ferret (talk) 15:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Mikleo/Sorey LGBT
You say that my source is not reliable? Then actually read it first. There's ton of articles from Funimation, and other official sources. Read through all of it and then tell me it isn't reliable. Also, all of the examples from skits are mentioned and linked in that masterpost, and I'm not in the mood to source every one of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikleonly (talk • contribs) 22:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not reliable by the standards set by Wikipedia. Please read WP:RS. We need reliable secondary sources to comment, and blogs are generally considered unreliable. -- ferret (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Then, would you check out all these skits and confirmed information? Also, a hell lot of stuff isn't even properly explained on this page, let alone sourced. I suggest you delete all of that too, as it's unfair to delete this which is perfectly well explained. Don't make a huge fuss over sources, this can't be explained better.

Soulmate title- http://luzloshiv-lelei.tumblr.com/post/113736183965/compilation-of-mikleos-titles-that-seem-to-be Thing's like love come up (skit)- http://jeredu.tumblr.com/post/132778595277/messenger-of-love-skit-since-nobody-seems-to-have Sorey's idea of babe hunting- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMjSDEJLti0&feature=youtu.be&t=44m (skit starting from 44:00, Wicked Nekkid Wind) Official novel translation where Sorey calls Mikleo beautiful- https://talesofsymphoniac.tumblr.com/post/138842941142/its-been-a-week-since-i-finished-the-game-and-i Translation of the interview with Hideo Baba (interview should be on the Bandai official Japanese site)- http://kiraleshoot.tumblr.com/post/132078427863/interview-just-a-part-of-it-translation (part 1) http://kiraleshoot.tumblr.com/post/116222176378/so-i-shared-the-interviews-of-the-voice-actors (part 2) Hideo Baba stating Mikleo is Sorey's one and only (this was removed from the official Bandai site, but this post includes a screenshot of the official Japanese text)- http://minoath.tumblr.com/post/148142823525/that-interview-with-baba-in-case-people-need-the I would be glad if you read through all of this. This is exactly what that person previously typed for Zestiria's LGBT part. I even took the time to collect every link, so please read this before deleting it again, as you cannot deny this evidence.


 * Its all speculation based off of game events and some vague comments by a Tales game directly. There is nothing overtly LGBT about their relationship. Nothing sexual. Just childhood friend/bromance type situation. Sergecross73   msg me  22:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is definitely full of other poorly sourced material, and an effort has been going on recently to clean it up. It'll take time. Just because there's other poorly sourced content doesn't mean it's ok to add more. -- ferret (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Then, is it at least okay to state Sorey is very likely gaysexual? The scriptwriter literally said a male/female relationship doesn't work for him, which you can find in the links I sent. Hideo Baba also stated that there is romance in the game, but no m/f, which seems pretty clear to me. Along with that, ever heard of skinny love? It doesn't have to be overly LGBT, if you ask me. In my opinion, it's at least safe to say it's heavily implied. Just look closely at the material I sent, because that is definitely not vague. Still think it's vague? Then you probably didn't read it well enough, or you're just pretty ignorant, pardon me. The game titles are very intimate to say the least, and the reason Bandai doesn't flatly state Sorey (and Mikleo) is (are) gay is because homosexuality is still kind of taboo in Japan. Clearly saying that there's a gay couple would dunk a lot of sales from people who are against it, which is quite a big group in Japan. Also, if you still even insist on deleting the information that at least Sorey is not heterosexual, then I'll gladly delete the other information without sources. Probably takes me a few minutes, if you say it's a big task. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikleonly (talk • contribs) 10:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * My recommendation is to bring it up on the article's talk page for a wider audience to see. The basic fact is you'll need a secondary reliable source saying he's LGBT. You can read Wikipedia's policies concerns veritibility at WP:V, and reliable sources at WP:RS. -- ferret (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Banished (video game)
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Star Wars: Republic Commando
Since I've now supported your RfA, I can take discussion of this dispute here out of the limelight, and explain what my issue is.

The dispute started when removed a section of the lead with the summary "WP:V". The presence of inline citations in the lead isn't required (see WP:LEADCITE), and the information removed, The game received positive reviews at release. Many critics praised the story and combat, but criticized the short length and mediocre multiplayer appears to be broadly supported, except perhaps "mediocre multiplayer" ("average multiplayer" would be more appropriate). So there doesn't appear to be any issue with verifiability in this sentence; perhaps "lead doesn't need to be this big for the moment" would be a more appropriate edit summary.

Anyway, later that day, an IP puts it back with a summary "Rv b" (ie: "revert back"). Therefore, we have a content dispute. Your subsequent revert, "IP hounding Eik Corell", is problematic. Who cares what the IP may or may have done to Eik Corell - was their edit good? I think it was good faith and worth considering. In any case, you started edit-warring with the IP, which is always a bad idea. You supplied the ANI thread that gave you consensus for reverting, and you closed the report as stale, so I consider this pretty much irrelevant for RfA. But what really annoys me here is that nobody seemed to want to talk about the content, and from an outsiders point of view, you really did seem to be skirting up to the line of 3RR and getting a silly block (and to be absolutely clear, you were both wrong and the IP was staring sanctions in the face too).

As the old saying at WP:NPA goes, "comment on content, not the contributors". This isn't some contrived scenario; look at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive937 where a long-term editor was most upset to discover that our edit-warring policies apply to him too. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:15, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I am taking your comments to heart. Of the 7-8 articles the IP was hitting on this case, I can agree this particular one was fairly weak on basis of LEADCITE. I do stand by my general actions here, as this is a long term abuse case where I believe the history of AN/I cases and the support of other involved admins shows correct action on my part. I will, however, make a promise to give more consideration to each individual diff when doing rollbacks for a case like this. I myself am not always happy when I see an admin rolling back all contributions of a blocked user and reverting on basis of WP:DENY and such, so I should be following that myself. Most recently I noticed this was done for, so I do understand. I can recall having minor issues with some edits I saw from Earflaps, but the net was positive contribution. (I'm not entirely familiar with that case, just saw the reverts in my watchlist earlier. Seems he was a paid COI/SOCK). -- ferret (talk) 12:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

XxDragonSlayerxX
Ok. I understand what you mean and why you remove my text. Thanks (I wasn't too sure if I should have written that) — Preceding unsigned comment added by XxDragonSlayerxX (talk • contribs) 23:12, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Plots need to try to be concise and try to cover the important details. It's very easy for a plot section to balloon and dominate the article. While it's written with films in mind, WP:FILMPLOT is a typically used guideline. -- ferret (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll try better next time. Maybe I got it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XxDragonSlayerxX (talk • contribs) 23:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi and a gentle ping
Hello; just a gentle ping to consider responding to my follow up queries. Thanks. Lourdes 01:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't you feel your question violates the "only 2 questions allowed and no multi-part questions to get around that limitation" rule? Yours looks more like 4-5 questions... Sergecross73   msg me  01:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Sergecross (Request you to ping me if you reply). No, I don't think so. It's a follow up question, valid as per guidance provided. I would reiterate that the candidate should consider responding to the queries. It may or may not behove a candidate to use this route to avoid questions, but I'm confident that ferret would prefer answering the questions than avoiding them. Thanks. Lourdes  02:00, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , the problem is that it reads a lot like three follow up questions, and really looks like the exact reason why they created the "ask 2 questions and don't write multi-part questions to get around it" rule. This whole talk page discussion feels unnecessary. You only asked your question mere hours ago. What are you suggesting? Ferret forgot about his own RFA after a couple of hours? Come on. Sergecross73   msg me  02:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I am suggesting that your interpretation is mistaken and not grounded in the actual guidelines given for follow-up questions; I can understand that you would wish to protect the candidate from answering the said questions; but let me reassure you, the questions are asked in good faith and it would be wonderful to have the candidate respond to them soon. I'll eagerly await his response in the next couple of hours, before pointing out the delay in the Rfa. Thanks. Lourdes  03:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , I have extended a good faith reciprocal alternative for the candidate on their Rfa page. Just notifying for information. Thanks. Lourdes  03:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reworking your question. Appreciated. Sergecross73   msg me  03:55, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , please be mindful of what  RfA candidates have to go  through. You  are still  very  new here and it  might  look  to  some as if your form of questioning - which  IMO  is already  excessive -  is simply an attempt to look clever. Remember that  candidates are not  obliged at  all  to  answer user questions and not  answering  cannot  be used against them, kind of like a Miranda Law. Also, pinging, even discussing  your  questions or your vote  on  a candidates talk page during  the process could be regarded as harassing; it's not usual and we don't generally do it. Think  about  it, and in  the meantime please read this.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * hello. I'll surely keep in mind what you've written. If ferret feels harassed by my message or questions, they can just tell me and I'll be more than pleased to withdraw or strike the messages or questions. I've not heard from them and presume therefore that that's not the case. Alternatively, if you wish me to strike the messages or questions, as I've already mentioned to you previously, do please mention the same to me and I will readily strike them. With respect to my being very new here, I think you probably meant "relatively newer than many other editors here", which I readily agree to.. If there's anything else, do tell me and I'll keep a note of that too. Thanks.  Lourdes  15:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)