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I saw that you made several edits to film articles, so I just wanted to say hello to a fellow editor of such articles. I'm a coordinator at WikiProject Films, so I wanted to let you know that if you are a film buff, there are a lot of useful resources at the WikiProject to help you in the editing process. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to drop a line on my talk page. Hope to see you around! — Erik (talk • contrib) 00:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you like to keep up with release dates, you may be interested in reading the future films department's tracking process. We use this process to reassess articles of films that recently come out, since not everybody gets around to looking at the articles' talk pages and reassessing them.  For example, when the month of December is out, all films in this category should have been reassessed.  Hope that is something of interest to you, and hope that everything goes well for you. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 04:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If the articles can be reassessed on the day of its release, then it is even better. I imagine that it would have gotten too specific category-wise to go beyond months and use days.  At the end of each month, we can close out all the articles that may not have been reassessed at the time of its release.  Most editors are good about removing Future film from an article, but they don't usually venture to the talk page to reassess it as something other than Future-class.  Most of them will be Stub-class or Start-class, in my opinion.  If it is a possible B-class, then there is criteria found in the Film template that can be used.  For GA, A, and FA classes, they have their own processes.  So it is a little more than fixing tenses!  I will try to fix the "Tracking" section to make this clearer. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 14:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It is a good question! In my experience, a film is no longer a future film when it has a non-festival release. Films that screen at festivals still get a limited amount of press. Mainstream media will usually publish reviews when the film is actually accessible to the public (either in limited release or wide release). So for The Great Buck Howard, it only has 7 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. It has not made its splash yet, so it is still an upcoming film. I would say that it is best classified as a 2009 film. There may be expectations to the rule, such as films screening at various festivals and not getting a public release. I tend to follow films that eventually become public, so I am not sure what happens to films that don't make a splash. As for IMDb, I was under the impression that the website identified the release year based on the very first screening, period, where the Academy Awards identify the the release year based on its limited/wide release. For example, IMDb classifies 300 as a 2006 film because it screened at BNAT, but it is widely considered a 2007 film. Let me know if this logic makes sense or not! — Erik (talk • contrib) 18:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering, why don't you use databases to cite runtimes? For example, The New York Times has "109 min." for The Wrestler, which seems more verifiable than a personal measurement of time. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 22:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What you say makes sense. My primary concern is that the measurement may not be seen as verifiable, especially if the home media does not provide an actual theatrical cut later on.  For example, if someone wants to make The Wrestler a Featured Article a year from now for whatever reason, and they go through sources, they may revise your measured runtime to what the databases show.  I do not want to nitpick too much since it is only a few minutes' difference in three characters in the entire article, but I just think it might be something that could be challenged later.  We can't go back to the theatrical run and measure to verify ourselves, you know. :) — Erik  (talk • contrib) 01:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Revolutionary Road
If it's December 26th, then why does the commercial for the movie say January 23rd?--  Iamawesome  800  21:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen the commercial you are referencing, but if it is saying January 23, then that is likely the date the film will expand into wide release. Revolutionary Road started in limited release on December 26 in only 3 theaters, and then expanded into 38 theaters in its second week. In week three the theater count jumped up to 135 theaters, and it will probably add some more this weekend (you can see the progression here). I was lucky enough to see it in its second week on January 3, as my local theater was one of the 38 theaters nationwide to get it.
 * This is a common marketing strategy among award season contenders — open extremely limited at the very end of the year, grow slowly over a couple weeks to capitalize on critical buzz and word of mouth, and then finally expand into wide release (which is defined as 600 or more theaters, but usually the expansion takes it to 1000+) just into the new year when Oscar nominations are being made so it's fresh on the voters' minds. Other recent films that have taken this strategy include Gran Torino (opened limited 12/12, expanded wide 1/9), The Wrestler (opened limited 12/17, expanding wide 1/16), and Defiance (opened limited 12/31, expanding wide 1/16). This is what you may notice in some TV commercials when they say "In select cities on, everywhere ". –Fierce Beaver (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Sourcing
When you do things like this can you make sure that you add a new reference please? I'm tempted to revert because you have not provided a reliable up to date source, and the ones currently there seem perfectly valid. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't that I thought you were wrong, but I had no idea where to look for the updated info and later on when I think the article is all ready for the various reviews we have on wiki, I have all these refs that don't verify anything. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This article from two days ago says May 8th for the US and USA Today said it will open the same day as Star Trek (5/8) in their article from March 4. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That first link you give still has Dragonball Evolution coming out on April 8 (it has recently been moved back to have a normal Friday release on 4/10), and the second link, as you point out, was from March 4, before the film was moved to 6/19 circa March 8-14 and again to 6/5 last week. My updates are based on agreement between BoxOfficeMojo and ComingSoon.net. Of course, it's entirely possible the date could get moved again, as the studios seem to become very opportunistic with shuffling dates around as competition moves in and other dates open up. –Fierce Beaver (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha ok thanks. I had looked on searchlight and didn't find anything. I guess I was looking in the wrong spot. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Coraline_(film)
Reverted back to 101, referenced. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 04:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Your reference is the PAL version (UK); the domain is .co.uk as well. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 05:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

→Discussion transferred to Talk:Coraline (film) –Fierce Beaver (talk) 20:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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RE: Removal/addition of whitespace
Hello and sorry. I know several others who remove the white spaces in the infobox to make more room for text, and I personally feel they are unneeded as there is the "|" there to show where that line begins. For the space between the infobox and opening paragraph however I have seen on numerous other articles where that space creates an extra gap at the op of the given page. As for the other space, that one is for readability and editing while the other don't seem as necessary to edit. Just my personal opinion, but if you look, they're obvious, the Relapse one, not so much. If you wish to change, feel free. I'm sorry if I've offended you in anyway. I've actually had a conversation similar to this. Once before. Once again, sorry. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 16:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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Understood
I understand what your saying and it makes sense, thanks for clarifying it for me...:)--Maester Seymour (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hangover
do u think its neccessary to have both the marketing budget and the production budget. dont u think it would be appropriate just to have the production budget which is 35 million.--Maester Seymour (talk) 01:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not against moving the marketing budget down into the main body, and would probably agree that it's better to list just the production budget there and then mention the marketing costs within the prose. The main reason I split it and explicitly listed both there was because one or two editors had looked at the provided reference from The Numbers, noticed that there were two different budget figures listed, and then averaged the two together mistakenly thinking they represented the same amount. So it was partially done to avoid such confusion. –Fierce Beaver (talk) 02:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

So if you dont mind i'm going to move the marketing budget to the body of the article and leave only the production budget as the one listed in th entrance column...thanxs--Maester Seymour (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The source content for the bit about the plot being inspired by real life events is a blog about a rumor, it's not reporting on fact. The article itself clearly points out that Warner Brothers, Alan Horn and the NYT support an entirely different version of the story. I don't think it should be included. Rednoggin (talk) 03:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've copied your above comment to the article's talk page and responded there to open this discussion to any editor who might be interested. –Fierce Beaver (talk) 16:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Removal of Box Office succession boxes
Hmm, I'm afraid that it's not very easy to automatically add a (referenced) sentence to that effect, or check whether there's already one present. By now I'm done with the removal anyways, so that's somewhat of a moot point. The information itself can be recovered quite easily from Template:Lists of box office number-one films, tho (assuming these lists are well referenced), and can be added to the corresponding articles. Asking at WT:FILM for some help on this might be a good idea, too. --Conti|✉ 18:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can provide you with a list of articles that I edited, although it seems that Xeno already did so on my talk page. Note that User:Erik9bot removed all instances of Template:Box Office Leaders and Template:Box Office Leaders USA. I'm sure a list of those articles can be made, too. I agree that it is an inconvenience to add the information after it has been removed, but in this case I would argue that it is only a minor one. The important information (the date on which the film has been #1) can easily be taken from the various lists. --Conti|✉ 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up. I don't usually have time to follow all the discussions going on behind the scenes, so I appreciate you taking the time to let me know about relevant happenings. I haven't been editing as much in the past several weeks, so I didn't even realize the future film template had been deleted, hah! Go ahead and let me know if/when this is discussed. –Fierce Beaver (talk) 17:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for the information you posted on my page. I noticed that the run time for Up in the Air (film) was typically reported as 104 minutes for Telluride and the Toronto International Film Festival. Jason Reitman indicate that he rushed editing the film to make it in time for Telluride. I wonder whether he edited the film in between festivals, although with his hectic travel schedule, I do not see how he could have done it. --Dan Dassow (talk) 23:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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