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Jason Miller (communications strategist)
Hi FormalDude. The change that you reversed amplifies a salacious gossip-style allegation that was denied under oath in federal court by all allegedly involved parties, and that was made by a third party without any apparent basis besides other gossip. The defamation lawsuits regarding those claims ended because the lawsuits were against a publication and reporter who had cited the third party's court filings (in a separate dispute) in which the third party (not either of the alleged participants) had made the claim (which, again, was denied under oath by both participants). By reversing the change (which is not necessary because the claims are still described in great detail in the "suits" section), we are not promoting neutral point of view, but actually re-introducing bias about a highly damaging claim never proven to be true. I think it would be best to reverse the reversal, to promote NPOV, to avoid promoting gossip, and to avoid "coatracking" (which is what this is, and which is definitely forbidden in BLPs, especially in introductions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Copernicus43728 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Further, please take a closer look at what you are reversing, I kindly ask. You are reviving extremely intimate narratives which do not further any public interest or newsworthiness and almost certainly cause harm (including to a child). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Copernicus43728 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest you raise these concerns on the article's talk page. –– FormalDude  talk  05:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi FormalDude -- I'm open to discussing further, but the problem is that this matter involves a child (actually, three children) whose privacy and intimate details are being rather inappropriately impacted by this, without any newsworthiness being involved. By discussing this further on the Talk page for that Wikipedia BLP, we would only be reviving and highlighting a salacious aspect of a personal situation that would be quite harmful for these kids. Please *carefully* review the impact of your reversion, specifically as it relates to these *children*. Please read the changes in question closely. If there is a good dispute resolution or discussion method that can avoid causing more harm to these children, I would be quite open to it (somewhere other than the Talk page, if at all possible). Please let me know what you think the best way forward is. Before we do that though, can you maybe explain to me here why you think your reversion is necessary? (Is there an exception to the Talk pages expectation when the discussion (which would be public, obviously) regards minors? I'd hope so.) I honestly don't understand, and it seems quite harmful to private individuals who are minors. Please that the public aspects of the situation that are newsworthy (including, but not limited to, the court cases) are already described clearly later in the article. The impact of the reversions, on the bio and on the section about children, seems very unnecessary and almost intended to harm them (which I sincerely hope is not the case). Copernicus43728 (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * As stated in our disclaimers, Wikipedia contains content that some may find offensive. Our goal is to provide full and accurate information for the education of all. This means that we have text and images that some may feel overly explicit or otherwise not suitable because of children.
 * The inclusion of explicit/controversial content has been one of the hottest debates in the Wikipedia community. Some feel that the encyclopaedia should be "work safe"; others feel equally strongly that we should present full information. As always, the content of such articles is a decision made by the editing community - there are no top-down decisions in cases such as this. Wikipedia is written by volunteers, and these volunteers make decisions on content according to consensus. For this reason, it is best discussed at the article talk page. –– FormalDude  talk  00:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hi my name is Mark I was in the band like it which I additive machines of brace curious why you edited it back to the original do you have any affiliation with machines of grace 47.215.241.203 (talk) 06:34, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * No, I do not have any affiliation with them. Do you? –– FormalDude  talk  00:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Your close of WP:Articles for deletion/Pirtek
Hi, your closing statement says that Sources have been added that meet WP:NCORP. Which sources meet NCORP exactly? Also, an editor had just requested I prepare a table of the sources and you closed anyway? Perhaps if it had been allowed to progress a little longer, the source table may have resulted in additional editors !voting. The reasoning for the majority of the Keep !voters were absent any reasons applicable to our guidelines.  HighKing++ 20:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I think these two meet NCORP:  –– FormalDude   talk  00:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither of those were discussed at the AfD. Had either been brought up for discussion specifically, it would have been pointed out that the WSJ reference (notably not attributed to a journalist) relies entirely on this Press release from the Halifax Group the previous day. The AFR reference is a "puff profile" and relies entirely on information provided by the company or their execs - there is nothing in that article to suggest that the journalist has provided "Independent Content" that is "clearly attributable" to a source "unaffiliated" with the topic company. The article is written in 1993 and is a blueprint for how to write a puff profile - e.g. "State Problem, describe bad things about life-without-company, state solution, describe success story, position some vague future growth". It is lacking the almost-mandatory photo of the founders looking profound but it manages to include quotes from the founders all the same. This reference is promotional, an ad masquerading as news, fails ORGIND. Either way, I'm not sure you should have closed in that manner as its effectively using your close as a supervote to decide on matters which were not discussed at the AfD.  HighKing++ 10:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've vacated the closure. –– FormalDude  talk  19:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Question from Londondoc1973 on Christopher Ball (14:48, 15 April 2022)
hi there! Christopher Ball the composer was a friend of one of my close friends. He died on 7th April 2022 - she is currently trying to arrange the funeral etc etc I can't work out how to notify wikipedia of his death? i think it was probably Georgina who added the 'died 7 April' comment but his profile is still marked as being that of a living person Thanks! --Londondoc1973 (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Where has news of his death been published in a reliable source? Wikipedia goes by published sources, not first-hand accounts. —C.Fred (talk) 18:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * how incredibly sensible Londondoc1973 (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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Could you possibly help me out with some questions? --Jamesbigdogg (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Possibly, what are your questions? –– FormalDude  talk  23:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * I'd be happy to adopt you, however you should know that the adoption school is quite long and will take a good amount of time and effort. Are you able to commit to that? –– FormalDude  talk  20:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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 * Great, I've started the adoption course for you at User:FormalDude/Mentorship/TeddyBearRocker123. Get started whenever you're ready! –– FormalDude  talk  22:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hi again!! I have a random question; Is there any way you can help me with adding a Barnstar that was left for me on my talk page onto my userpage? I'd like to have it just below everything else on my page, but don't know how to code/format it. I'd like to have my userpage re-arranged but I'm reading up on that. For now, I just want to add the Barnstar for the time being :) I appreciate all of your help!! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 14:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Made an edit to your userpage, let me know if that helps. –– FormalDude  talk  18:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Perfect!! Thank you for your help!! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 18:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * If you emailed me, I don't see it unfortunately. Try me again at kimnp@gimletmedia.com? Would love to schedule an interview tomorrow Garlicbreath123 (talk) 12:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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I am looking for a mentor. I see you're taking in adoptees. I wanna go through a course under your tutelage for a period of time that you determine for a counter vandalism course and/or a course on proper page creation. After which I will be given rollback and/or new page reviewer privileges. I'm reaching out to you because I wanna do this the proper way. It will be a honor to learn. Cheers Amaekuma (talk) 17:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your interest, but unfortunately I am taking a break from accepting any new adoptees right now. –– FormalDude  talk  10:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Application for mentorship
Hello, I'm looking for a mentor. I want to gear my editing towards counter vandalism and I am seeking a contributor like yourself with new page reviewing expertise. I hope you accept me under your tutelage. Thanks. Amaekuma (talk) 09:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


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Hello FormalDude, I submitted a draft article to be published. At that time it said it would take three months to review the article. It has been three months so I am wondering what the status is. Could you please help me? --Color Review (talk) 18:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


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 * Hello Justiyaya, no I have not created any other accounts; and, no I do not have a conflict of interest with the subject. Do you know what the status is with the article I am trying to publish? Color Review (talk) 21:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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Top of the morning to you! I see that we can add a .gif in a user box but what about video (,ogv)?  Atsme 💬 📧 12:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It looks like you can use video. –– FormalDude  talk  11:24, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh..thank you! Now I see what I did wrong - px size.   Atsme  💬 📧 12:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hello --Wiki Digital Marwar (talk) 07:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I left a welcome message on your talk page. –– FormalDude  talk  15:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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Question from BrownShadow89 on Mayfield, Kentucky (03:52, 24 May 2022)
Information on the December 2021 quad state tornado needs to be added. The picture of our court house is no longer correct. We made international news and I’d appreciate for that to be included. if you simply google dec 10, 2021 you’ll see what happened. --BrownShadow89 (talk) 03:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There is already a section about the tornado: Mayfield, Kentucky. –– FormalDude  talk  01:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Question from Denzil Burgon on User:Denzil Burgon (05:36, 25 May 2022)
Hello. Trying to get my personal homepage up & running but the editor just keep loading on a loop. I don't get pust the loading icon. What should I do? --Denzil Burgon (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about your userpage? –– FormalDude  talk  06:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Need a public figure profile for myself
How do I do it? 196.34.35.58 (talk) 08:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly  discouraged. –– FormalDude  talk  08:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Info box concern
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It doesn’t matter if the subject of an article is a public figure or not. Regardless of status, an info-box can be added within an article. 21pegedi89 (talk) 04:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Interaction Design and Architecture(s)
Hi FormalDude,

I do not understand why the page has been moved to the draft space. It is perfectly consistent with all other pages devoted to open-source journals already published on Wikipedia. Please have a look at those listed on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-access_journals (you can click on any one and have a look at how they are composed; The main sections used by other journals have been integrated and used also for Interaction Design and Architecture(s) and only essential information provided. Could you be so kind to suggest the changes that in your opinion should be done before submitting the draft for review? Thanks in advance.

Edechiconza — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edechiconza (talk • contribs) 08:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Edechiconza, you have provided one citation to the draftified article, please read WP:V and WP:GNG. Additionally, please also read WP:Conflict of interest, if you have a conflict of interest to the subject, you are expected to disclose them, see the linked article for more info.  Just ' i ' yaya  14:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I probably should expand on the process on what you should do before submitting an article
 * If you have a conflict of interest with the subject, please first disclose them.
 * Make sure the subject meets our notability guidelines
 * Ensure that all information likely to be challenged is supported by a reliable source
 * Ensure that all information is written in a neutral tone (WP:NPOV)
 * Submit and wait for reivew
 * Many articles I've looked at on the page you provided is flawed and needs to be cleaned up significantly, some possibly deleted. Writing an new article is really really challenging process for beginners, consider trying another task here, happy editing!  Just ' i ' yaya  14:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hints.
 * I have declared the conflict of interest;
 * all information can be verified by means of the indexing journal websites (some of them allow to link a direct page, others allow only to use the search engine and in one case (ESCI) you need an account to access the full details); I do not think that we need to add additional links to information that anyone can verify by accessing the indexing journal websites (the latter, by the way, have been linked in the article to the relevant wikipedia pages)
 * the text is written in complete neutral tone, hope this will be appreciated by the reviewers.
 * Since we don't know what we can do to improve further the article (we haven't found examples of additional wikipedia articles dedicated to similar topics from which take inspiration), we are going to submit it and wait for the review. Edechiconza (talk) 18:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:Notability (academic journals) in full. –– FormalDude  talk  18:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear FormalDude
 * let's start from the two first sentences of the article you have suggested:
 * If an academic journal can be demonstrated to be impactful via reliable sources, we should probably have a dedicated article on it.
 * Being indexed in DOAJ does not demonstrate the reliability and the impact of an academic journal, but being indexed in Scopus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopus) and Web of Science - Emerging Sources Citation Index (ESCI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_Sources_Citation_Index) yes.
 * I do not know how familiar are you with the reliability of the academic journals but, for example, to get indexed in Scopus it takes, often, more than two years. The journal is monitored for a long period, has to undergone a severe scrutiny by scientific committees and has to respect many strict criteria. This the reason why scholars all over the world are asked to publish their works in Scopus indexed journals.
 * Moreover Scimago Journal Ranking (SJR) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCImago_Journal_Rank) indicator is a measure of the scientific influence of scholarly journals that accounts for both the number of citations received by a journal and the importance or prestige of the journals where the citations come from.
 * According to SJR Interaction Design and Architecture(s) journal is by large more influent of many of the journals listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-access_journals.
 * Just to give you an idea, Interaction Design and Architecture(s) journal ranks as 36th in the world for the Architecture/Design domain (first quartile) and pretty well also for all other domains of interest (2nd quartile in Media Technology and Social Science - 3rd quartile for Human Computer Interaction, Computer Science applications and Education.
 * Scopus, SJR and ESCI are the most reliable and noticeable third-party sources to legitimate the reliability and impact of an academic journal.
 * Articles on academic journals are required to be notable; that is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice, as established by reliable sources.
 * Interaction Design and Architecture(s) journal, however, is not only notable but it is also unusual enough and worthy to be noticed for many reasons, here at least a couple:
 * - most of the open access Scopus indexed journals can be considered to have a "commercial" purpose since the publisher ask the authors to pay a fee to have the submitted papers published, while Interaction Design and Architecture(s) implements the diamond route with no expenses to access and publish papers. Papers are selected only on a scientific basis, after a rigorous double blind reviewing process and a check against malpractices;
 * - Interaction Design and Architecture(s) is one of the few (maybe no more than five) academic journals in the world that implements video presentations of the published papers (the only one in their domains of interest); of course all video are open access and available on-line.
 * Coming now to the listed criteria
 * ''Criterion 1: The journal is considered by reliable sources to be influential in its subject area.
 * Criterion 2: The journal is frequently cited by other reliable sources.
 * Criterion 3: The journal is historically important in its subject area.''
 * Criterion 1 has been fully demonstrates (see above)
 * Criterion 2 is also fulfilled if you consider that the journal h-index is 14 (of course it could be improved but can be considered quite good for the domains of reference and in comparison to most of the open access journal (in particular those listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-access_journals).
 * Criterium 3 should be considered in relation to the year in which the journal has been established (2005): in 17 years, thanks also to the achieved rankings can be considered quite important in the subject areas of interest (for some of them more, for some of them less; but it is well known in all domains of reference).
 * Note that Journal age is not a consideration, and in general a recently established journal is not necessarily disqualified by its age.
 * Considering all that, we do really hope that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academic_journals) could be applied with equity to all wikipedia articles, in particular those concerning open access journals and that this article can be accepted.
 * In any case do not hesitate to indicate any additional effort that can be done to improve further the quality of the article. Thanks.
 * Looking forward Edechiconza (talk) 13:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Question from Laban-Media (09:47, 7 June 2022)
Hello mentor. I don't see my article published. Is it deleted or should i be patient? --Laban-Media (talk) 09:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

AFC/R partial accept
Hey! I saw that you mentioned to follow the review instructions in your edit summary and closed the request for Logan. I had accepted 2 of the redirects out of 4, but I wanted to leave the other 2 for others who felt more comfortable reviewing them. How should I handle (or should I even handle) these partial reviews? Thanks! Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  10:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, I think it's fine to leave it open then. I restored your edit. –– FormalDude  talk  22:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

roy hargrove article
hey, i hope this talk message finds you well and in good spirits. i wanted to ask about the earfood article redirect. was it because of notability ? if so, i found several additional publications that reviewed and analysed the album and its significance, including a New York Times column and this academic publication that used the album as an important fixture in Hargrove's career and artistic development. there's a few others, but i truly believe roy hargrove would benefit from having a page dedicated to this album. what notability standards or other should be met to make this happen ? all the best !! Ayyydoc (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi . The notability standards for articles about albums can be found at WP:NALBUM. I'd suggest starting the article as a draft through the articles for creation process so that it may be reviewed by other editors. –– FormalDude  talk  22:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Queenstown/Komani RM
Hi FD. Can I ask you take another look at this RM? You wrote "There is no consensus that up-to-date reliable references predominantly use one name over the other". WP:COMMONNAME talks about what to do in that situation -- apply PAGs -- and I felt that participants did that (applied PAGs like WP:MPN and WP:NAMECHANGES), but you didn't address that second part of the analysis in your close. Thanks, Levivich 02:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Sure,, I'm happy to elaborate.
 * WP:MPN is the main guideline I was referring to in my closure.
 * WP:NAMECHANGES states "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in 'Use commonly recognizable names'." I closed it as no consensus because there was not agreement one way or the other in this aspect.
 * The only part of WP:COMMONNAME that appears to talk about what to do in this situation is "When there are multiple names for a subject, all of which are fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others." I don't find this relevant as there was no substantial or persistent arguments made about potential problems with either name. –– FormalDude  talk  03:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. "Substantial or persistent arguments"? I'm not sure I saw any arguments that were insubstantial, and persistence isn't really a requirement, right? I saw broad agreement that there were multiple common names, which allowed editors to choose from among those names. I further saw both numerical and substantive agreement to choose the newer one, with supporters pointing to a number of PAGs that suggested going with the new name. The way I read your close, it seems like unless it's proven that it's the most common name, there can be no consensus? Otherwise why not go with the majority? Were the opposers' arguments stronger than the supporters? Levivich 04:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not at all see "broad agreement that there were multiple common names." Editors claimed that there was one clear common name, but they did not agree if it was Queenstown or Komani.
 * A successful move does not necessarily require proving the most common name, rather, there just has to be a policy-backed consensus that one should be used over the other. Given the differing justifications for arguments from both sides, I don't see that here.
 * It's not a majority vote, so I can only consider the substance of each comment. To that extent, neither side's argument was particularly stronger than the others (hence the outcome of no consensus). –– FormalDude  talk  05:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised you didn't see agreement that both names were common. What did you make of the Google web search, Google scholar search, Google trends, and I think over a dozen sources that participants looked at? It seemed they all showed both names in use, and no one suggested that either of the names was not common. The whole discussion appeared to me to center around which of two common names to choose. I don't want to belabor the point, but I think participants raised a lot of ALLCAPSBLUELINKS (more than we've discussed here) in examining which of the two common names to go with, and a majority agreed that policies and guidelines backed the newer name. It seems to me that your analysis only looks at whether everyone agrees one name was more common than the other and doesn't address all those other policy reasons. I'll leave it there. Levivich 06:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Megan Huntsman
Do not delete Megan Huntsman as the article is better put together than other existing articles about serial killers and her case is notable and infamous with a YouTube video about her having 1.3 million views. Shktriib1 (talk) 00:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not deleting it, I merely started the discussion. Please voice your concerns at Articles for deletion/Megan Huntsman. –– FormalDude  talk  00:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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Basel Adra
You are correct - the article had been tagged for uncontroversial deletion, as opposed to a deletion discussion. My bad hasty judgement. Blue Riband► 13:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


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Question from Khayrul247 (15:42, 20 June 2022)
Assalamualikum --Khayrul247 (talk) 15:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wa alaykumu s-salam. –– FormalDude  talk  15:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

revdel request
The revdel request on Animals in War Memorial, Ottawa, I'm really not sure about. If this were a picture of the inscriptions I don't think there would be a copyvio as commons:COM:FOP Canada would apply. For a written transcript of the inscriptions, I'm not sure as the Canadian copyright act doesn't mention a transcript. So, for the time being, I'm declining the request but it's subject to renewal on any more information. Nthep (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair point, thanks for reviewing. –– FormalDude  talk  19:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Censorship
You were very quick to remove my edit. Censorship of truth is not acceptable.

Do I need to contact an Admin? JFC62954x33 (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * You copied your reply exactly in three locations. As it says at the top of my talk page, if I initiate a discussion at your talk page, you should reply there (which you did). There's no need to post it here and at your userpage additionally. I linked to your reply, so there's no "censorship". Please feel free to contact an admin, here's a list of recently active ones. –– FormalDude   talk   16:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Censorship
Of course it is censorship. You deleted information everyone should have access to. JFC62954x33 (talk) 16:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Communication
I have not used wikipedia in a long time.

Besides, it seems like there were forums where a lot of people were involved in these issues? I do not seem to be able to find them. So I posting where I hope find you. Please stop censoring Accurate History. That is not right. JFC62954x33 (talk) 16:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

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Banstrike?
Hi FormalDude, with regard to your strike here, I was wondering what policy it is based on? Is it possible that you are confusing with WP:SOCKSTRIKE (also briefly mentioned at WP:TPO)? ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 10:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:BMB. –– FormalDude   talk   23:09, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The editor wasn't yet site-banned when they made that edit. Is there some other limited ban they were violating? If so, it would perhaps be good to clarify that at your strike (as it stands now, it looks like a mistake, even if it isn't). Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 08:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Question from King keudo (22:49, 24 June 2022)
Hi, sorry to bother you. I'm trying to get my toes wet in editing, and I was hoping to ask a couple questions relating to an edit I would like to do, that is hopefully accepted. The Cedarville, AR article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedarville,_Arkansas) 1) needs a picture - I live rather close and adding a picture i take would be fairly easy. Are there policy guidelines for what a picture for a US city should feature? Then, how does one go about uploading their own photo and adding to the article? 2) I was hoping to add an insert or summary on the Harry Potter religious controversy that surrounded this small town, effectively one of the few things it is notable for. Is it better to label that subsection specifically tot he Harry Potter situation, or should a more generic subsection title be used? Again, sorry if this is all beneath you, if I need to ask someone else I will. Thanks for your time, though! --King keudo (talk) 22:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to Wikipedia!
 * I'm not aware of any guidelines specifically for images of cities, but, if you take a look at similar articles, you'll find photos are normally of the city center (downtown) or of a notable, historical, or otherwise prominent location in the city. Take a look at this tutorial for uploading images to Wikipedia. Once uploaded, you can add the image to the article by following these instructions.
 * It looks like it is probably okay to add some content about the Harry Potter censorship to the article, provided you include reliable sources. I would not give it its own entire section, but a paragraph or subsection underneath history or education seems appropriate. If you do include it as a subsection, you can give a specific title.
 * Let me know if you need any more help! –– FormalDude   talk   23:08, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thank you so much for the help and advice! King keudo (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Question from GG.LSO on Bamboo (03:37, 28 June 2022)
Hello! I previously edited the Bamboo entry, as I found a typo of "zzzzz" (after footnote 48). However, my correction was reverted by Aishik Rehman, with no explanation. I asked, but did not get any reply in a number of days. I have done some minor edits in the past, but it has been a number of years.

I guess things have changed a bit in the years since my first edit. I tried to see how to create a edit review, but was not successful.

Thanks in advance for your assistance. --GG.LSO (talk) 03:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


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 * Ignore this, just tagging the page for CSD because it is a cut and paste move. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 17:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure G6 does not apply. –– FormalDude   talk   19:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah it does. The site requires regular moves because of attribution. (See the last talk page sections here) CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That only applies when there's more than one contributor, which is not the case here. –– FormalDude   talk   00:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My mistake I guess. Still, if you check the authors’s talk page, the other cut and paste deletes got through. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 02:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hi I noticed that you tagged Tang K. Tang and Kai-Nan An as non-notable despite both being inherently notable per WP:NACADEMIC criteria 3 (and additionally criteria 3 in Kai-Nan An's case). Why? Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


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Question from Followyoursoul (08:37, 11 July 2022)
Hi! I would like to find the code for creating a description under the image. As a reference, I attach the wiki page of Christopher Nolan. Under the image there are some bullet points with text about him. Could you help me with the code for that one, please? Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Nolan --Followyoursoul (talk) 08:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi ! You're either talking about an infobox or a picture with a caption. Take a look at those links and let me know if you need any more help. –– FormalDude   talk   08:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Question from 247 City News (17:45, 12 July 2022)
Hey hi there Thanks for your kind assistance appreciated. you have written some very impressive articles enjoyed reading your work. Appreciated. --247 City News (talk) 17:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have any specific questions I can help you with? –– FormalDude   talk   06:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Question from LUCASBONONI (23:33, 15 July 2022)
How does a professional artist create a page? --LUCASBONONI (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your very first step is to comply with the conflict of interest disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable, and applies whenever you edit regarding a topic where you have a financial interest, even when you are not paid specifically to edit Wikipedia. Please read and study Your first article, and follow all of the advice you will find there. –– FormalDude   talk   06:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

my wikipedia webpage...
hey

you have evaluate my wikipedia webpage and it's by a random guy dissaproved... he says it's to promotional for some reason... I tell in the included site where I life and about my family tree... I don't see what's promotional in that... can you help me?? the comment is following:

July 2022[edit] Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

my webpage(before it's deleted): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Steenhout

I've seen on your profile page you like music, so do I :) here is some Joe Satriani (he is a guitar instrumental guitarist) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4eEvb9bC9w

thank's for your patience...

Grtz

Michaël Michael Steenhout (talk) 13:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for reaching out, and thank you for the music.
 * is an administrator, and I assume they mean promotional in the sense that it seems you desire a personal webpage, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Each article must meet our policies and guidelines.
 * I've moved your article to draftspace at Draft:Michael Steenhout, but it is likely to be declined or deleted if you do not add significant sources that demonstrate notability. –– FormalDude   talk   13:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for the reply...
 * you're maybe right, i wanted a page from my own(but hey, it's not forbidden to dream)
 * thanks for your understanding and hope you have a beautiful day...
 * sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...
 * grtz
 * michael Michael Steenhout (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Bulgaria
I have closed Articles for deletion/The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Bulgaria as a clusterfuck. The good news is that it's largely a procedural close, so there is no prejudice against speedy renomination either individually or in really small curated batches. The bad news is that XfDcloser can't remove all the AfD templates, so I'm politely asking you to do so since you're the one who put them all there. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Will do, thanks. –– FormalDude   talk   05:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated :) &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Per WP:BADAFD, there are a few more which need to be done.  Thanks.  --Finngall talk  21:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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Question from J86G (17:24, 19 July 2022)
Hi there, I would like to write a biography for someone but the system seems to require me to do various edits beforehand? Can you tell me how many I need to do please? Also will you be able to help me with the biography if I struggle in areas? --J86G (talk) 17:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * In order to create a new article, you need to have made at least 10 edits over a period of more than four days. That said, it is much better to create a draft article and submit it through Articles for creation so that you can get feedback from other editors before it is created in mainspace. –– FormalDude   talk   04:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Another article about a GA Seventy has been nominated for deletion
Hello. Just wanted to be sure you were aware of the newest deletion discussion: Articles for deletion/LeGrand R. Curtis Jr. (2nd nomination). His current role as Church Historian and Recorder should be sufficent support to keep the article about him, but I don't know at this point of any valid argument I could make that would lead to a determination to keep this article. So I'll hold off on weighing in on this for now. Since your opinion does seem to carry more weight here for the reasons we've previously discussed, I think I will hold off on commenting on this until you post your thoughts on it. Based on my past experience with similar discussions, that seems to be the wiser course in this case at this point. Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 08:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Question from Metro Arts on Metro Arts Theatre (05:02, 21 July 2022)
Heya - just want to edit the address details and coordinates. --Metro Arts (talk) 05:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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hello how to highlight in blue a reference name while editting? --Faridovich1965 (talk) 17:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Potential edits to biographical page
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Help on American Football
Can you help me on making all the class and importance not assessed yet for the WikiProject American Football? Here is the page with all the unassesed articles:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Unassessed_American_football_articles&pageuntil=Wyoming+Mustangs#mw-pages. Sportsfangnome (talk) 17:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Sure, I can help out a little. You should install WP:RATER if you haven't already. –– FormalDude   talk   01:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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Mentoring
Your work is really impressive and I am looking for a Wiki-Mentor. Would you be interested? --Melchior2006 (talk) 15:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd be happy to mentor/adopt you. I offer my adoptees two options for mentorship. The first is a hands-on step-by-step approach to guiding you through the various elements of working on Wikipedia, and is not unlike a school course with assignments. The second option is more informal. I can simply steer you through key areas you're having difficulty with, and answer questions whenever you encounter problems. Please let me know which work best for you. –– FormalDude   talk   21:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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Help with HomeLight article?
Hi there. I noticed that you seem to be pretty actively involved with the Business WikiProject, so I was wondering if you might be willing to take a look at some suggestions that were proposed back in May for the HomeLight article. (I’d love to make edits myself, but I can’t because I’m a HomeLight employee and therefore have a COI.) Thanks very much. Ilovecats9669 (talk) 18:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅. –– FormalDude   talk   04:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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i would like to be adopted.
i know it’s a weird subject, but i’m still new here in wikipedia. i have created some articles, some of them aren’t that great, but i would like to have advice and help. currently i am feeling frustrated when i create drafts for the mainspace but then some random user created the article that i wrote and ended up being useless. here’s an example: Born Pink (someone else created it in the mainspace) - Draft:Born Pink (i created in the draftspace)

but anyways, i hope you consider to adopt me in wikipedia.

JuanGLP (talk) 00:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi ! I can certainly adopt you. I offer my adoptees two options for mentorship.
 * The first is an intensive program that covers many Wikipedia editing topics, including AfD, PROP, CSD, sources, GNG, SNG, copyvio tagging and etc., civility, and copyediting. It does require a lot of your time in reading the material/guidelines and working on the assignments. There is no time limit on completing the program, but most participants take around 3 months or more.
 * The second option is more informal. I can simply steer you through key areas you're having difficulty with, and answer questions whenever you encounter problems. We can do this for as long as you need.
 * Please let me know which works best for you. –– FormalDude   talk   01:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * ! i think the second option would be best since i am starting school in two weeks.
 * if you’re okay with the answer i choose, then that’s amazing! — JuanGLP (talk) 03:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. We'll use this page to communicate. –– FormalDude   talk   03:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Tao of the Devil
Can you please explain why all of my work on said article was reverted without any reasoning? XXCochiseXx (talk) 04:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't believe the article passed WP:NALBUM. –– FormalDude   talk   04:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, but I don't understand. Are you referring to when the article was originally created that it didn't initially meet notability requirements according to WP:NALBUM? The sources I used were adequate and reliable, considering the rest of Bjork's album articles are lacking in references and/or are considered to be stubs. Would I need to create a duplicate article for Tao of the Devil by sending a draft through the AfC Submission process and replacing the existing redirect page? Any help is appreciated. XXCochiseXx (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * A standalone album article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; and that has not been accomplished here, thus it should be merged/redirected into the artist's article or discography. –– FormalDude   talk   05:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

 * Surely US president ordered you cancel our Vietnam ? You are so blind that you dont want I can work ?
 * US people always like racist, dont you ? So when you see Vietnamese texts, you want to cancel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betabum (talk • contribs) 01:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retract your personal attack or you'll be reported. –– FormalDude   talk   01:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You blasphemed Vietnam and you had better to have a confession. Why I must served you while you blasphemed my country ?
 * US invaded Vietnam twice and killed good people, but we forgave. However, today young Americans still see us as enemies that must be eliminated from the universe. He saw that I had bad English and attacked me.

Your recent close of the BI RSN discussion
Hey man, I just wanted to add a few more words about what I said in closure review. I think, when it comes to discussions which are really contentious, and have lots of really strong opinionated voices, especially on a side I am considering closing against, but it's a grey area, I think I am (like many editors) inclined to either avoid closing it altogether or closing it as no-con rather than against those other participants. Because I would be fearful of the possibility that I get called out in the future in closure review. I say this knowing full well it makes me a chicken-shit lily-livered coward. I would avoid closing it, or give it hella hella more time, so that the consensus is robust against future challenges. Or I would send that hot potato firmly into somebody else's pocket. I don't think it reflects badly on you to be more BOLD with closes, absolutely I applaud you for being willing to close things like that. But I think I just personally wouldn't have done it because when it comes to wiki, I am very conservative about when I close things and how I close them, lol. Not necessarily a reflection on how you should close things. Just that maybe it would benefit you to protect against activists who disagree with your closures, even if it is a good thing to do controversial closures, do it in a way that makes it possible for you to keep doing controversial closures in a helpful and unimpeded way.

I hope everything is well with you in meatspace and I think back very fondly of what me and you and everyone were able to accomplish in the COVID-19 space! On my end: I'm prepping my applications to residency (hence my recent procrastination streak around here, as per usual) and just got back from a few different month-long stints working at hospitals in Boston and Seattle and San Diego! A lil sad to be back in the midwest, but so it goes.

Also here's the earworms I've had infecting me recently:   —  Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 00:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, that's good advice. I don't think there are many discussions that I would avoid closing because of the risk of blowback from its participants, but there are certainly ones that I wouldn't close because of their controversy. I also don't really find too much of an impediment to my closure abilities from this, on the contrary, I expect my closures to be evaluated by other editors and occasionally challenged–it's a great way to learn and improve. I can respect your approach to closures though and I presume that is a more standard approach to controversial NACs than what I practice.
 * I am doing fine in meatspace. Those COVID times were quite productive, it was enjoyable. I know what you mean when you say it's a little sad to be back in the midwest, lol. And thank you for the tunes! –– FormalDude   talk   00:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

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Edit Revert
Can you revert this edit please it is constructive and valid. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1991_Austin_yogurt_shop_killings&type=revision&diff=1105116280&oldid=1105112023 2601:206:301:4A90:BD82:7493:843A:4A4 (talk) 19:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I respect your revert. But I wanted you to know that this IP is a sock of prolific sockmaster Cadeken. See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Cadeken/Archive, who has created dozens of accounts and used even more IPs. The editing pattern is identical. IPs in southern California always pop up when a registered sock is blocked. Sundayclose (talk) 23:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw your edit summary mentioning that, but this account has not yet been banned, and the edit was constructive. Feel free to report them to a checkuser or start an SPI though. –– FormalDude   talk   23:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I do report registered accounts to SPI. It's pointless to report an IP because they are rarely blocked for sockpuppetry. But thanks for your reply. If I may suggest, check the location of an IP that asks you to revert in an article that is about mass killings or other violent crimes. If it's located in southern California, it's almost certainly a sock of Cadeken. Sundayclose (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

2023 Nigerian general election
I believed the discussion close was in error, there has been a ton of recent discussion on the subject. Watercheetah99 (talk) 04:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Where has there been "a ton of recent discussion"? I'm not seeing anything on the talk page within the last month. –– FormalDude   talk   04:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should’ve linked it. The discussion was mainly on talk pages, most formally on the WikiProject Politics talk page. Watercheetah99 (talk) 04:34, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, thanks. I've undone my closure of the RfC. You might consider adding two options at the top of the RfC in bold in order to make clear what it is people are being asked to choose between. Also, don't forget to notify the relevant WikiProjects of your RfC. –– FormalDude   talk   04:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Question from Mishraabhay480 on Darknet market (06:59, 25 August 2022)
Hello --Mishraabhay480 (talk) 06:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi! Do you have a question I can help you with? –– FormalDude   talk   07:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Not a serial killer
Ryan Scott Blinston is not a serial killer as he murdered three people but he did not kill anyone with a month gap between any of the murders and as a matter of fact his entire spree did not even last one month so he can’t be a serial killer, usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant period of time between them. but this idiot named Dev1357 keeps changing him to serial killer. --2601:206:301:4A90:3EA:7083:65E7:F899 (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The article does not currently call him a serial killer, though I don't think that would be a problem as I see multiple reliable sources that call him that. –– FormalDude   talk   03:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Redirect Geoff Young
Hi @FormalDude, I had been editing Geoff Young's page for a few weeks, largely trying to reduce its reliance on WP:SPS and trying to keep it in line with WP:BLP. You blanked the page and redirected it today with the comment "Non-notable political candidate", and while I'm not sure he meets WP:NPOL, I'm not convinced he hasn't fulfilled the general notability guidelines through being a perennial candidate for a decade in Kentucky. Anyway, my main question was whether an AfD would be more appropriate than a blanking and redirect without discussion. I think there is enough sourcing to write a decent article on the guy, there was something like 30 WP:RS on the article and it seems odd to delete it without discussion. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @TulsaPoliticsFan it's a WP:BOLD move, which you are welcome to then revert as per WP:BRD. The proper action for FormalDude would be to then open a formal redirect/deletion discussion. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'm going to revert the change. While I do think he is close to meeting WP:GNG and if there was an AFD I'd probably vote keep, I'm very tired of reverting the same edits on the page everyday because other editors keep trying to add his YouTube channel and the Ballotpedia candidate survey as sources (which I think violates WP:SPS). Also, @Shibbolethink is definitely right on 30 being too high on the WP:RS count, I just glanced at the total number of sources when the article was blanked for that number. I think the actual WP:RS count is closer to a dozen sources on closer inspection. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, what Shibbole said, per WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. If you restore the article I will most likely nominate it for AfD, as I do not believe that it meets notability guidelines. –– FormalDude   talk   23:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As an aside, I would say I think this guy actually does meet GNG via articles like these:     . Are there a lot of bad non-RS cruft sources on that page also? Absolutely yes. but cruft sources in and of themselves do not mean a subject is non-notable, if there are high-quality RSes which have significant coverage. I definitely don't agree with @TulsaPoliticsFan that there were "30 RS" on the page. A lot of those are non-reliable e.g. ballotpedia, just facts, links to election results, etc. All that said, I think this is clearly a questionable article, I see why you blank/redirected it, and I would be curious to see the results of an AfD. —  Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not see before reverting that there was already a discussion on this on a personal talk page. I thought all the discussion had been on the Talk:Geoff Young page. I had restored FormalDude's redirect (which by the way, was reverted by a Moscow IP with similarities to another Moscow IP editing the page). Although I see more points in support of the page here by TulsaPoliticsFan, who did good work on reducing WP:SPS, I would also support Shibbolethink's suggestion to have an AfD (with redirect as an option). -- Rauisuchian (talk) 18:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The redirect was reverted again, so I've opened an AfD. –– FormalDude   talk   11:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Question from Followyoursoul (07:57, 26 August 2022)
Hello! My draft about 'Cristina Jacob - film director' was declined based on the reason that the subject is not qualified for a Wikipedia article. I used many reliable sources that are independent of the subject. On the other hand, Cristina Jacob is a well-known film director, with several box office records of her films, so the subject qualifies for Wikipedia. I would like this dispute to be solved and the article to be published, as it respects Wikipedia guidelines. I would appreciate a third opinion or review on my article. Thank you! --Followyoursoul (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Overall it looks like a notable topic. The main issue I see right now is WP:COPYQUOTE, as the article uses several long quotes. A long quotation should not be used where a shorter quotation would express the same information. An article should also not be made up of mostly quotes–consider paraphrasing the quotes in your own words instead. I made an edit to the article where I changed one quote into a paraphrase as an example. Lastly, the prose in the lead section may be better presented as a list in other sections. If you can address these issues, I'd probably accept the draft. –– FormalDude   talk   08:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I will edit according to your indications and resubmit the article asap. Followyoursoul (talk) 10:11, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello again! I edited my draft (Cristina Jacob - Film Director) following your indications and I resubmitted it. Please, can you check it and if everything is ok, accept it? Thank you very much for your help! Followyoursoul (talk) 13:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Left a message on your talk page too. –– FormalDude   talk   03:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Hilary Clinton at FAR
Hi, regarding your notification on my Talk Page. I have not contributed to this article. Perhaps you have mistaken me for another editor? Graham Beards (talk) 10:50, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I just notified you because you were the one to accept/promote the article to FA status. –– FormalDude   talk   10:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have promoted hundred's of FACs. There is no need to notify the FA delegates about articles at FAR; they have enough to do already. FAC is not like GA noms. Graham Beards (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, thanks for the info. –– FormalDude   talk   11:06, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Adoption
I saw on the Adoptees page (Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters) That you are accepting new adoptees. I would like to be adopted to learn the ins and outs of editing. I've mostly done copy edits, but have added 1 citation on Transport Scotland, and have added Links to other articles on a few occasions. If you are willing to accept me, I live on the east coast and use EDT at the moment. I am available 5PM to 10PM on Weekdays and 10AM-10PM on weekends unless I say otherwise, which I don't often do. I have edited 27 articles last I checked. Random Editor135 (talk) 19:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi . I typically don't accept editors as new as you for adoption, but since you are willing to devote a significant amount of time, I may make an exception. What are your reasons for wanting to edit Wikipedia? What do you want to learn more about specifically? –– FormalDude  (talk)  02:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello! I am a tech nerd and Floridian, so I can do articles about Florida and consumer electronics. I am in school still, so I am able to do articles about language arts and science, as those are my best classes. But I am unable to start until Friday as I have family coming over this week. Random Editor135 (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're still interested let me know and I'll setup your adoption program. –– FormalDude  (talk)  00:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! Random Editor135 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC) Random Editor135 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, you can get started at User:FormalDude/Mentorship/Random Editor135 whenever you're ready. –– FormalDude  (talk)  04:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have read and taken notes on User:FormalDude/Mentorship/Random Editor135, and I think I understand everything, so I am ready for the test whenever you are. Random Editor135 (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The test is up. Ping me on that page when you're done. –– FormalDude  (talk)  22:18, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

What happens when an RfC expires and nobody has closed it?
What to do about the Tudor Dixon RfC? Seems that is has expired, without closure. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 19:29, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Now we wait. –– FormalDude  (talk)  23:37, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, so we're in the queue somewhere. :)
 * Just wanted to be sure the RfC didn't disappear into the ether.
 * Thanks! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 01:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh! Just noticed that it was closed with no consensus. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 01:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We weren't in any queue, and it can just disappear into the ether occasionally, per WP:RFCCLOSE. If we had had to wait longer I would've listed it at WP:Closure requests. –– FormalDude  (talk)  03:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! Nice knowing better about how this works. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 05:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hi sir/ma'am can you held me about he/she removing my edits about tge page Jam Agarao. — Einahr (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The subject's birthday needs to be verified by a reliable, published source. Original research is not permitted. –– FormalDude  (talk)  04:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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Edit notices and restrictions
Hi. So, look, you're not in fact permitted to create edit notices that impose restrictions, as you did with Template:Editnotices/Page/Hunter Biden laptop controversy, nor choose the type of restriction (naked 1RR, CR, or EBRD). In future, please leave these decisions with admins. Thanks. El_C 06:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, . That's the only DS edit notice I've ever created, and I did it because someone complained at AE that they didn't know DS applied because there was no edit notice, and because DS enforcing administrators must add an editnotice to restricted pages and this was not done despite an administrator declaring the page restricted. It was bad luck that I happened to incorrectly classify the type of restriction, but I wouldn't have done it in any other circumstance. –– FormalDude  (talk)  06:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure np. It probably wouldn't even had been noticed by anyone had you not chose the more arcane EBRD over normal WP:1RR. Anyway, next time, just ask at WP:AN or whatever. Cheers! El_C 06:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I'm a bit confused. It appears applied EBRD with this edit rather than 1RR. Was that a mistake by them? –– FormalDude   (talk)  06:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was. All due respect to Doug, EBRD is too complicated and has too many moving pieces (and unlike the other beyond-1RR restriction, WP:CRP, there isn't even a project page for it). Which is why no one was adhering to it. Outside of very small groups, it would really take an admin dedicated to that page for it to work. And those are hard to come by. El_C 07:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've left a note about this on the article talk page. I strongly disagree that the 24-BRD is a bad restriction. I also do not see "nobody adhering to it". Do you have any specifics? I know that a few editors have been making undocumented allegations on user talk pages, but they don't provide diffs, and the only case I can find among those is the reinstatement of an inline article improvement template that arguably shouldn't have been removed. This 24-BRD has been in effect for quite some time on our most active AP articles, and it's worked very well and with few enforcement issues rising to require Admin attention. I really hope you'll reinstate the page restriction as it stood. SPECIFICO talk 14:23, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , it is a bad restriction. Splitting the discussion will not work to alleviate that. And the fact is that a single admin creating this custom WP:ACDS page restriction, then adding it to multiple WP:AP2 pages, was done without ArbCom's consent. By all means, take it to WP:ARCA and ask them. El_C 17:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you reply. Could you explain what you mean by splitting the discussion? Would you prefer I not respond on this page? Actually, in the recently completed review, Arbcom codified 24-BRD alongside 1RR and CR as one of three greenlit page restrictions. As I said on the article talk page and above, it has been highly effective at minimizing conflict and Admin intervention at our most active AP articles. The restriction on that page was not added by . In his earlier days in the DS area, Awilley had many missteps and made a few errors, some of which was discussed in the DS review and specifically deprecated. But hats off to him for devising this sanction, about which I've never heard any complaint. If you didn't want me to post this here, one of us can move it to the article page or whatever other location you prefer. Also I wonder whether you have the impression that this restriction was widely violated or caused problems at that page. I'm not aware of any except for the template glitch that FormalDude correcte. SPECIFICO</b> talk 18:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The discussion is on the article talk page, where it belongs. You are splitting it by having it in two places at once. Please stop. Again, appeal at WP:ARCA, if you wish to see EBRD restored to that page. That's it. El_C 18:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You are aware, I hope, that I only posted here because you did. If you had not split your own engagement, I would not have come to a random user talk page.<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 18:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I posted here, to FormalDude's talk page, about not creating WP:ACDS edit notices, SPECIFICO. Nothing to do with you. You've inserted yourself here, not the other way around. El_C 18:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the recently completed review, Arbcom codified 24-BRD alongside 1RR and CR as one of three greenlit page restrictions. @SPECIFICO Do you have a link to this case? A search of the archives turned up nothing. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * there's associated discussion, I believe in the long archive of this year-long review process. <b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 19:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Out of touch ArbCom operating by inertia, okay, what else is new. But the fact is years ago there was overwhelming consensus among admins to pull the breaks on it. I guess lobbying for this arcane, user unfriendly restriction worked. Oh well. El_C 19:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @SPECIFICO I see no discussion at the link you provided. I do see discussion after following a link back one page, to here, but there was not substantial discussion of the sanctions themselves - merely that codifying them was a good idea. That seems like tacit endorsement to me, at best.
 * @El C when/where was the discussion where admins reached consensus to "pull the breaks on it?" PhotogenicScientist (talk) 21:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a lengthy discussion about beyond-1RR sanctions at WP:AN. I think it was back in 2019. I don't know how to easily find it right now. But it did set the tone for future AE practices in a significant way is the point. El_C 21:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @El C Might it be this one? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. El_C 21:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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Beekeeping

 * –– FormalDude  (talk)  07:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Overflow from
You did not actually cite that reason in your first revert. Make sure to cite your reasons the first time in order not to give off the appearance of WP:STATUSQUOSTONEWALLING. Citing the protection of the status quo as the sole reason for reverting when the edit has not yet been disputed is insufficient. I am glad to see that you're now participating in discussion. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 06:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

FormalDude, your edits are disruptive. You cited WP:STATUSQUO but have selectively ignored the first exception, you failed to add appropriate inline tags indicating the text is under discussion, and you ignore WP:SQS. There is clear consensus in the talk currently, to remove that unverifiable statement. — hako9 (talk) 09:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * So instead of adding the inline tags yourself, you decide to just continue edit warring? And there's no consensus on the talk page at all. I suggest you self revert. –– FormalDude  (talk)  10:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No consensus "at all"? There are two editors in full agreement with a third, and a fourth who reluctantly conceded that "most influential" is not adequately supported. Right now, there is consensus that "influential" is inappropriate; an alternative has not yet been agreed upon. Throast <sup style="font-size:.7em; line-height:1.5em;"> { { ping }} me! (talk &#124; contribs) 10:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest you tone your language down, dude. Adding the inline tags was your job. Not "someone like me". I also suggest you to not edit articles in which you are so emotionally invested in. — hako9 (talk) 10:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Never said "someone like you" to you, but if you want to keep trying to victimize yourself I guess I can't stop you. If adding the inline tags was my job and I forgot, that's a reason to add them yourself, not continue edit warring. –– FormalDude  (talk)  02:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The only one edit warring is you. What's with your comment on Articles for deletion/Shera Bechard? The first thing you curiously did after replying to me here, is hop on there to make a point? — hako9 (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Read the policies
You might like to read Don't template the regulars and WP:BATTLEGROUND. — hako9 (talk) 00:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If you edit war you're gonna get templated for it, doesn't matter how experienced you may be, a warning notification is a requirement. ––FormalDude (talk)  02:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Stefan Machel
Hello, FormalDude,

Is there a reason you relisted this AFD discussion a half a day early? It was relisted like 10 hours ahead of time. There is no need to close AFDs early or rush the process. There is no hurry to do these steps. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 07:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * My mistake, won't happen again. Thanks . ––FormalDude (talk)  09:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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