User talk:GBRV

GBRV (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Spaces under headings
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edits...
hi. Per talk and agreement by PiCo, and collaboration, I put in this edit right here. Gabby Merger (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. GBRV (talk) 06:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey
It took me time to realize, but I am starting to see that there is a very good argument for Judaism. Sadya goan (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

edit commentaries
hello. I normally don't bother with this, but I know that you have an interest in articles such as this. There is one in particular that was missing a very important verse (where frankly I was kinda surprised that it was not already in the article). The Bible and slavery" article.  I added a good (and sourced) paragraph the other day, but my stalker "Jeffro77" is in the habit (because of "watchlist" and extreeeme personal bias, malice, and animus, and arrogance) likes to diss and second-guess valid, accurate, sourced additions, and edits, due mainly to his admitted anti-Bible position and his hatred for me.   I warned him a number of times to stay away from me, and my edits, and not to "hound" me as that is against WP policy, but there was this one Admin who was horrendous herself with me too, recently, and of course she only made things worse.  (Most Admins are not quite like her though.)   Anyway, I'm not in the mood to wrangle too much regarding this article.   Though I won't tolerate the removal of this sourced paragraph that was added, nor the removal of Exodus 21:16 from the article.   WP policy is to "modify" instead of wholesale deleting. But when there's obvious bias and ill-will from certain editors, that generally won't happen. But check out the edit here and if you want to add your thoughts, you're free to do so. I appreciate your consideration to this, though I really do hate bothering you about it. But click here. 71.183.131.104 (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Gabby Merger : I can get involved in that article if needed, but it might be best to lodge a complaint against Jeffro for hounding and trying to exercise ownership over articles in which he has an admitted agenda. Right now, these articles are controlled by a cabal of atheists who will never concede a single point, no matter how basic. GBRV (talk) 08:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You need to read WP:AGF. And in my experience, most religious articles fail NPOV as they are slanted towards that particular religion, whatever it is. This isn't true for all of them of course. A typical example, the first I looked for just now, is Abraham. Read the infobox - it presents his birth and death places and family as fact. Sure, the lead presents a more NPOV version, but a lot of people are going to concentrate on the infobox. Sarah treats his wife as though everyone accepted her to be historical. Damn, it's even worse than I thought. It discusses whether archaeologists think she was really his sister, without even quoting an archaeologist. Again, that presents her as a real historical person. This is pretty typical for most religious articles as I've said. It's usually only the major ones where any views other than the religious pov are presented. I really should be doing other work, but I'll change the bit about archaeologists unless it can be well sourced.
 * As for hounding, following a problematic editor around is something a lot of good editors do and is not considered hounding. Gabby uses other accounts and IP addresses to edit, demonstrates ownership by the post above by stating they won't tolerate certain changes, etc. And of course Gabby is also calling an editor malicious, which is not acceptable. Doug Weller (talk) 13:00, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I recently became aware of this bit of canvassing. Gabby Merger likes to repeatedly claim that I have 'hounded' her. Actually, my interactions with Gabby Merger have been as a result of 1) her editing articles that are already on my Watch List, 2) review of her recent edits after obvious POV issues in articles on my Watch List, and (to a lesser extent) 3) other editors mentioning Gabby Merger's inappropriate conduct toward me. WP:HOUND quite clearly indicates that reviewing an editor's contributions for problematic behaviour is not 'hounding'. ("Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles.") In all instances of reverting Gabby Merger, I have provided specific reasons. On the other hand, Gabby Merger has on several occasions harassed me at my User Talk page at length, even after being asked repeatedly to stop, and also explicitly stated that she has intended to hound me as a deliberate retributive action. I see also that Gabby Merger as again claimed here that I have "admitted anti-Bible position and his hatred for" her, still with no evidence. Although I don't believe the Bible is a magical book, I don't really know what it would mean to be "anti-Bible", which sounds like a fairly naive and simplistic approach to consideration of any literature. GBRV, it would be unwise to be complicit in Gabby Merger's false accusations.
 * I wasn't aware I was part of a "cabal of atheists". I wonder if this 'cabal' position pays well. I do hope so.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 13:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is what atheists are saying about Christ myth theory: "Right now, these articles are controlled by a cabal of Christians who will never concede a single point, no matter how basic." Do you get it now? Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The quoted statement doesn't appear on the Talk page of that article, or in any recent edit summary.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem becomes clear when pretty much the same editors are assigned as belonging to both cabals. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:21, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It was a reply for what GBRV stated above. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that probably makes a little more sense. In the context of my remarks, it seemed like quite an odd response. Sorry for any confusion.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 07:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I must say that GBRV's involvement in the article Malleus Maleficarum has not resulted in development of the article or removal of false information. And modifications are necessary given evident hoaxes in the article. Therefore, I advise GBRV,Ryn78 not to get involved. --Asterixf2 (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It is not clear why I have been mentioned here by Asterixf2. This thread was from a year ago, and was not related to Asterixf2's current edit dispute at Malleus Maleficarum. I have never edited that article. Asterixf2 appears to be canvassing for support from editors who have previously disagreed with GBRV. Though GBRV did make a false accusation about me in their first comment in this thread (which may have been simply based on Gabby Merger's false accusations), this has no bearing on any current edit dispute in which I am not involved.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 21:16, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, I haven't noticed this is not from this November. Ping wasn't partisan. --Asterixf2 (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * (This is to Asterix, of course) You have been told repeatedly to stop canvassing since it's against the rules. From now on I'm just going to delete all your messages on my talk page if you post anything else. GBRV (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Since these issues are already being discussed in other places, there's no need to expand it into my talk page as well. I'm replying to your comments on the other talk pages, because I'm not going to have the same debate in umpteen numbers of different places simultaneously. GBRV (talk) 09:15, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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Edit warring
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December 2015
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December 2015
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Hi GBRV
So you say you have consolidated my text off of two pages onto something else.

Where did you move the texts?

Or did you just trash the texts?

I would be glad to know what you have done with the texts.

Amazing that you did not trash the rest of the same section on the Star of Bethlehem page.

That certainly makes a very balanced and accurate presentation. (not really)

Of course balance or general accuracy does not seem to be the issue or the goal. True scholarship is the goal of all Wikipedia articles, of course.



In a side note - I find it very interesting the Borg, Vermes, Sanders, Brown and others of their orientation count a lot more on the Wikipedia Christian religious pages than the Pope or ten thousand bishops (many of whom have one or more doctorates, run theological schools and deal with millions of parishioners). I am not even Catholic, Anglican or Orthodox. But since when do a few agnostic, atheistic, theologically liberal or generally unbelieving people have more to say about Christianity than about two billion Christians? (Of course many so called Christians actually do not practice, but even so, probably a good quarter of them are serious about their faith - that makes 500 million people).

I have come to the conclusion that most all the Wikipedia Christian pages are designed to denigrate the Christian faith with often repeated quotes from people that generally do not find Christianity to their liking so they want to change or eliminate it.

This is just a general observation about Wikipedia Christian religion pages.

It is also very interesting that a number of people (so called scholars) claim that the book of Luke was certainly written after 80 CE (and they even "know that"), but actually no one knows when or where it was written. Is this scholarship or simple imagination? It seems to me it is imagination. But I could be wrong. These folks have doctorates. Some people are wonderfully more intelligent than most of us idiots.

Yet any earthling can supposedly have an opinion or support an idea, which is important to them (except of course on Wikipedia Christian pages. They are reserved for certain special people only - they must not be earthlings - I suspect they must be gods).

Amazon customer57 (talk) 17:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The relevant Wikipedia policy is WP:RNPOV: history does not trump theology and theology does not trump history (they coexist, but each in its own realm). Wikipedia is about rendering the academic mainstream, see WP:ABIAS. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Amazon customer57 - The plan is to consolidate this type of material in Census of Quirinius. It's already in lots of other articles besides "Star of Bethlehem", so I'm not purging the text from Wikipedia. You're trying to add it to yet another article. I agree that these articles tend to deliberately cast doubt on the Bible using dubious arguments - that's exactly what I have been pointing out for months - but one of the purposes of consolidating this stuff is to make it easier to improve the balance by discussing it in only one place rather than dozens of places. I can't carry on dozens of discussions at the same time, nor is there any need to have the same issue covered in depth in so many articles. I would gladly keep the portion that you personally added to "Star of Bethlehem" since I've added similar text to other articles, but it needs to be in one place. You can add it to Census of Quirinius and take part in the discussion going on there.  GBRV (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Chronology of Jesus
Regarding this edit, I have two questions. Where specifically at Talk:Census of Quirinius is the discussion. And regarding the comment, "An anonymous user can't just undo this agreement", can you explain why your comment pertains to "an anonymous user"? I'm not concerned with whether the agreement is changed, but is there some reason you make a differentiation between anonymous and registered users? Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * See my response on these points to Drmies at:
 * GBRV (talk)

Unsourced, tendentious content Malleus Maleficarum
Please do not insert fringe or undue weight content into articles. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Please use the article's talk page to discuss the material and its appropriate weight within the article. Thank you. This content was discussed on talk page. You have reverted unreliable self-published sources and fringe to the lead section. Diff: --Asterixf2 (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's standard practice to restore large amounts of sourced content if removed. Large removals show up like a red light in the logs. I see no evidence of self-published sources. One was labeled an encyclopedia of witchcraft or something along those lines, another was an academic journal. Do you want to bring me into this issue?  GBRV (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like to just point you to the so that perhaps you can stop spreading some of the misinformation. --Asterixf2 (talk) 01:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't spread any misinformation. Since you've also posted a note about this same subject at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, I'll reply over there. GBRV (talk) 02:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * BTW, your request for support at WikiProject:Feminism could be construed as canvassing, which is normally against the rules. GBRV (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Total opposition
GBRV please don't be in total opposition to me. I am trying to be constructive. I appreciate your involvement in the project, but please make sure you are not overzealous. I will be happy to listen to your suggestions. --Asterixf2 (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Golly gee, thank you very much for being willing to listen to my humble suggestions from time to time, your Highness. You sure you're not gonna just kick me out of the project? Maybe if I grovel enough you'll retain me for a little while longer?
 * You need to get a grip. Your edit history shows you've been absolutely obsessing over that one article for around two weeks now. You were already blocked once, and it's inevitably going to happen again unless you calm down a bit. Don't question academic sources just because your opponent(s) happen to be using them in an edit war. Don't canvass support for that edit war in places like WikiProject:Feminism, because canvassing during an edit war is against the rules (as far as I know) even if it might be allowed in some other circumstances. I already told you this yesterday. GBRV (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I will be glad to read about canvassing because I don't understand how it works. Therefore, I can't even tell if you are correct. You confuse obsession with dedication and increased activity due to some spare time. I just wanted to get it done, fast. Unfortunately, such unnecessary opposition like here: and here doesn't help at all. I am following 1RR, don't accuse me of edit war. --Asterixf2 (talk) 19:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Please be straightforward, tell me why are you trying to render me ineffective. If you have suggestions regarding article, tell me. --Asterixf2 (talk) 19:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Regarding canvassing WP:APPNOTE (although I must say I wasn't familiar with that, will read all of it later). --Asterixf2 (talk) 19:14, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

November 2016
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--Asterixf2 (talk) 02:22, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason you were placed under a 1RR restriction for that article is because you keep overhauling it without reaching consensus. This is why I reverted your recent attempt to repeat that behavior, which is exactly what I'm supposed to do. Posting an admin-style warning on my talk page is absurd. Stop doing that. GBRV (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Indiscriminate reverts are totally unjustified. I have made comments on talk page at the time of commit providing justification. In my opinion, you shouldn't revert everything given my careful clarifications on talk page. --Asterixf2 (talk) 02:30, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to gain consensus for your changes, which means working out an AGREEMENT with other people, not just giving your own personal justifications. This has been explained to you repeatedly before, and yet you never listen. Which part of "consensus" don't you understand? GBRV (talk) 02:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I am wrong, but in my opinion this kind of indiscriminate reverts constitutes blatant WP:OWN. --Asterixf2 (talk) 02:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Many different people have reverted your changes in that article, and you've been warned by many different people. You know better than to accuse me of "ownership". Knock it off. GBRV (talk) 02:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't perceive you to be an uninvolved user (as noted above) but I am going to consider all your suggestions, especially any links to official policies. Note WP:OWN However, your "many people" are civil pov pusher Ryn78, you and involved user Adamfinmo (Adam in MO) who was using vulgar slang on talk page. PS. Your revert violates consensus in my opinion (as I have noted on article's talkpage). Is Ryn78 the account you control or not? --Asterixf2 (talk) 02:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You were also blocked by Ritchie333, given a 1RR restriction by TParis, and opposed by many people at ANI. It isn't just me and a handful of other people, and I don't "control" all these people you've been fighting with. You keep insisting you have reached a consensus, but the talk page clearly shows that no agreement has been reached. You've basically argued that your own argument is irrefutable and this establishes consensus, which is silly. Look up the word "consensus". It looks like you've also continued canvassing at WikiProject Feminism, which you're not supposed to do. MShabazz told you to stop today, and you've been told that before as well. GBRV (talk) 18:47, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. You seem to avoid answering directly to the question. Is Ryn78 the account you control or not? 2. burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material For more see this. --Asterixf2 (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * He answered your question rather directly "I don't "control" all these people." Casting aspersions, without evidence is considered a personal attack. If you have evidence that GBRV is a sockmaster then please start a case at sock puppet investigations, before you end up with another block. Also stop using article talk pages to comment on editor behavior. Take it to their talkpage or ani, if you're brave enough to try that again.--Adam in MO Talk 04:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I wasn't asking you Adamfinmo. There were no aspersions. GBRV, is Ryn78 the account you control or not? --Asterixf2 (talk) 05:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I already answered that, and I'm sick of your daily allegations against anyone and everyone who doesn't go along with your agenda. Do you want to be banned for making false accusations? And of course you also accused me of reverting the article without just cause, which is another example of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.  I reverted you for the same reason Adamfinmo reverted you, and for the same reason you were told by multiple people to work out an agreement. The talk page indicates there obviously hasn't been any agreement. Now go over there and actually discuss the matter, don't keep pounding the same issues on my page. GBRV (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Your evasive "I don't control all these people" is quite different from "I don't control any of these accounts". You still have not answered the simple question. I acknowledge your refusal. --Asterixf2 (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And I acknowledge you're behaving like a troll. The question was answered. You were already blocked twice, but you never seem to learn. Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT is only emphasizing this. You're getting me more deeply "involved" (as you put it) by coming over here to cause more trouble. Do it again and I'll really get "involved". GBRV (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

ANI Discussion Comment
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Asterixf2 and Malleus Maleficarum. Thank you. Adam in MO Talk 23:48, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Religious views of Adolf Hitler
I reverted to the long term stable version and I added a discussion on the talk page. This article was massively rewritten in the last two weeks with zero consensus on the talk page. On top of that Ozhistory Special:Contributions/Ozhistory if you look through their edits is basically a WP:SPA with hundreds and hundred of edits in the last few years on only one topic. Catholicism in Germany under Hitler. Please put it back or use the talk page to add to the discussion on why this massive rewrite by two editors that has taken place in two weeks should remain rather than keeping the agreed upon long term stable version edited over many years by hundreds of editors. Thanks for your time2602:304:788B:DF50:8CDD:5461:389A:631B (talk) 15:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Adding my vote for the long time stable version. JerryRussell (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Sam Harris
You provided no edit summary for this. Could I get an explanation please?--104.247.239.237 (talk) 01:32, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect information on article Droit du seigneur
Article description of Droit du seignor contains incorrect information that needs to be removed. Attempts to correct this were reverted, despite the banality of the error.

Article reads: "A majority of historians have concluded that the idea is a myth, and that all references to it are from later periods. Over the centuries, it became commonly portrayed in European literature as a practice that had occurred in earlier times or other places. In practice, it may have been the feudal lords using their power and influence over serfs to sexually exploit the women free of consequences, as opposed to a legitimate legal right." There is no citation for this bizarre opinion and no reason to include it. This "majority of historians" is an invented number, the 'conclusion' and 'myth' are descriptions of a theory, not based in fact. This entire paragraph is harmful and misleading and has nothing to do with the rest of the subject and theme of the article. Jusprimaenoctis (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The sources are given in the body of the article, and it is in fact the consensus among historians. The first section just summarizes the rest of the article and hence does not need to provide sources, as per Wikipedia's rules. GBRV (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * No accurate sources listed in the body of the article state that there is a consensus among historians. The paragraph is self contradicting because it states that "European Literature" is the source, which is where the "majority of historians" get their information from; as there is no other source for medieval history that could legitimize the hypothesis that Droit du seigneur is a myth.

Jusprimaenoctis (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Jusprimaenoctis: Since you posted this same comment on both my talk page and the article's talk page, I replied on the article's talk page. No need to do this in two places at once. GBRV (talk) 19:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet
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Notice
,, , , ,  : I'm contesting the block (which didn't even provide any evidence), so at least allow me due process first. And SandyGeorgia, please stop posting notices all over the place before I'm even allowed to defend myself. GBRV (talk) 18:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I've posted notices at articles where multiple other socks identified have edited; I think those are necessary even if you should be cleared. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * GBRV, I'm not involved with the block. I knew nothing about the it until I logged in to check what's going in, and got two pings- one from your page and one from the Joan of Arc FAR page.  ( I am responding to some issues related to the Joan article on the FAR page, that have come up since then, as it would be great to keep the article in featured status.)

Note to Wtfiv
You wrote that none of these psychiatric explanations have gained consensus, but it would be more accurate to say that they have very little support. I think most psychiatrists ridicule the idea of "diagnosing" people who lived hundreds of years ago, and many people have debunked the specific claims in Joan of Arc's case. Under the Cross-Dressing section, you removed the Aquinas citation by claiming that "Aquinas argues for cross-dressing as disguise", but that quote also says "...or through lack of other clothes, or for some similar motive", meaning any practical (or non-sinful) motive. It is therefore relevant. If you don't want to use a primary source, I think Pernoud summarizes the Rehabilitation court's comments on this. That court reversed the verdict partly because Aquinas and other theologians had allowed cross-dressing when it was necessary for practical reasons. It would be appreciated if you would wait until I've had a chance to go through the process of appealing my block before taking over the sections of the article which I was working on. There is still plenty of copyediting work that can be done on other sections first. I can only post here until I'm unblocked, which is taking longer than expected partly because I was told to resubmit my request (again) via a different method. GBRV (talk) 22:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

With the exception of the Promotor's claim of hysteria, and Sullivan's carefully worked claim were partly reconstructions during the trial (which is a chapter in a volume dedicated to Pernoud and which Pernoud contributed to), the remainder of claims comes from articles that were already cited or from equivalent journals. As you note, I point out the refutations in a footnote. I also kept the clear statement that none of these have consensus support. I present them to maintain a balanced perspective. Unfortunately, these sections continue to need editing. I'm going to continue working on them, but I do wish you the best with the process. Wtfiv (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * GBRV (or is it AWilliamson?), you are blocked. You may use your talk page to request an unblock (following the reasonably clear directions in the block notice). You may not use it to argue with other editors. Continuing to do so will get your talk page access revoked. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)