User talk:Georgianis



Hi. I responded to your email. :)--Kober 12:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your nice words. I really appreciate them. Send you another email. :) --Georgianis 12:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, my dear friend. He promised to be back soon, and support us. :)--Kober 17:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)



Gaumarjos, I was delighted to read your massage, thanks a lot for your support and friendship. Im definately ready to work with you and Kober on georgian articles, and im sure we can make Wikipedia better. Im not intimidated by the attacks from Russian users of Wikipedia. They teamed up to implement their national agenda on Wiki and this is completely unacceptable. If i try to bring out the topic where their country is involved in imperialistic take over, they immediately attack by means of personal insults and so on. I dont like Putins imperialistic ambitions and neo-fascist treatment of Chechen people, annexation of Abkhazia, helping to provoke conflicting sides in Karabakh, helping Iran to build nuclear weapons and so on. But this does not mean that im Russophobic. On contrary, I have many Russian friends and I share a passion for their literature, art and music. Im still on Wiki and i will be glad to help and co-operate with interesting users on Wikipedia. I'll ignore all those users who provoke tension. All the best my friend. Luis. BTW are you new to Wiki?Ldingley 19:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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Hi
Im not sure whats going on, who is Bonaparte? Ldingley 00:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I sent you an email. Ldingley 15:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow great design :) [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Ldingley 16:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * :) LOL, yes, it's so great design! [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 17:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Geo, this will aggravate Russian users even more and it would be imposible to co-operate with them in the future. We can’t use that name. Facts might support it, however, unfortunately due to circumstances here its not possible. Ldingley 17:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * this can only lead to direct confrontation. We are all tired of that. So Geo lest remove that proposal :) Ldingley 18:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. --[[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 18:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice Box Geo :) I like it. Ldingley 20:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Geo. Your signature and userbox look great! You’ve done a great job on Georgia’s foreign politics section and other articles. Kudos,--Kober 12:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

massive pasting
Please do not paste the massive pieces from the outside sources neither to the articles nor to the talk pages. The reasons are as follows:


 * for the articles: obvious copyright issues
 * for the talk pages: adding massive chunks from elsewhere makes the dialog between the editors hard or impossible to conduct and to follow. Substituting the massive pasting by a link is all that it takes to provide the same amount of the useful info to all who is interested to read it (others won't read it anyway) but keeps the talk pages readable and useful for resolving the difference. OTOH, if people will exchange with the pastings of the megabytes of the outside material, this will not help to resolve any differences. The issue was previously addressed by ArbCom members who said essentially the same thing.

Therefore, I am asking you to remove your multipage paste from talk and replace it with a link to a source. TIA, --Irpen 20:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Irpen 20:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Abkhazia
You asked a question that is already answered by the article's intro, so I see no need to repeat what's already there.  // Halibutt 21:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Geo
Maybe you should add those things in Politics of Georgia? I like your way of adding sources and references. But shoudl those things be on the Georgia country page? Ldingley 15:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it should be on Politics of Georgia. But I do think that something must be mentioned also in the main article of Georgia. I mean that it has another impact on readers. Moving it to a secondary article will loose from its strong impact. But I do recognize it's right and good to move them from there. --[[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 15:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I dont care for their adminship. I dont intemidate people with admin powers and scare them with blocks. Ldingley 17:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Politics of Abkhazia
About de facto and de jure, you can't pick one or the other, you have to have both. As for the category, what do the politics of Abkhazia have to do with "anti-Georgian"?? &mdash; Khoikhoi 17:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * One excludes the other. Let's stick only to the official one, in this case: de jure. As for the category, the answer it's very simple: in its politics the Abkhazian authorities had Anti-Georgian discrimination there you have the relationship. [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis  |  (t) 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but we should also stick to facts. The independence of Abkhazia is no different than the independece of Nagorno-Karabakh for example. Also, the category is definately inappropriate and POV. Another thing, out of all the "anti-" articles, you decided to pick the only one with a title similar to Anti-Romanian discrimination. Coincidence? &mdash; Khoikhoi 17:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry but you contradict yourself. Remember that Wikipedia should include all POVs, including that ....let me complete for you: the Georgian one. Since your afinity toward Bonaparte is so great I will sig for you like this Bonaparte   talk  &  contribs


 * Showing me your signature Bonny just makes it more obvious. I think I now have enough evidence to get you blocked. Have a nice day. &mdash; Khoikhoi 17:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't threaten and don't blind revert. I've seen you are not NPOV as you support to be. You have a nice day. [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 17:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * geo, reality as of today is one, there is de facto separatist regime and de jure recognition of this land under the jurisdiction of Georgia. Russians have used genocidal methods to destroy separatism in Chechnya and actually killed democratically elected Presidents of de facto rule. Now its a colony of Russia again, with thugs and war criminal slike Kadirov. In Abkhazia, its other way around. You can not ignore reality, there is a de facto government who is supported only by Russia and some ethnic abkhaz. There is also de jure government (most of which memebrs were massacred on September 27) so lets avoid any confusions. Khoi already made it clear that there is de facto and de jure. If Georgian government regains jurisdiction over autonomy, there will be no more de facto and de jure. Ldingley 17:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope they will as soon as possible. --[[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 17:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting letter:

Recently Former President of Georgia Eduard Shevardnadze gave his authority to publish his last appeal to Russian President Boris Yeltsin before fall of Sukhumi on September 27, 1993.

The following is the appeal of Eduard Shevardnadze:

I am addressing you from the besieged Sukhumi not knowing if my words will ever reach you. The fighting is underway only a few blocks away from where I am with my friends. Regardless what happens I will not leave this town which has been treacherously deceived once again. I will not leave Sukhumi residents who have suffered immensely in their own town, left to their fate vis-a-vis a brutal, inhuman force, which keeps shelling the residential areas. 400 civilians had been killed and 153 wounded in the last two days. The total number of casualties has reached 10,031 while that of the wounded is 9,802.

How often have I asked myself – what is happening? What for?

The Gudauta separatists say they are fighting for freedom, for the right to live on their native land. But it is not the same freedom, or the same right that the 240 000 Georgians, whose roots on this soil can be traced many centuries back, thirst for and are trying to gain. This land is a common cradle of the Georgians and the Abkhazs.

We did not intend to deport anyone, while the criminal will of those who sponsor the Gudauta group has caused 150 thousand Georgians too seek refuge elsewhere and presently these people are dying of hunger and disease in various towns of Russia and Georgia.

We did not intend to conquer anyone – can one conquer his own people or seize his own land – the seedbed of our culture and statehood. We only aspired to defend the sovereignty of the Republic, protect its vital communications, do away with the hotbeds of sabotage and terror, and we wanted to do all that with consent and participation of our Abkhaz fellow-countrymen. The leaders of the Abkhaz Vendee were fully aware of it. They knew that the territory of the autonomous republic was being used by the gangs of thugs and terrorists for sabotage against the Republic of Georgia. They, however, tolerated them since they intended to use this trump card for their political benefit.

They have succeeded with the help and participation of those forces in Russia and our country that have decided to rend Georgia apart. Now that the efforts of the enemies inside Georgia, the "spontaneous" (as it is called in Gudauta) violation of the cease-fire and some steps taken in the highest echelons of the Russian military have coincided we have every ground to hold that this has been a well-coordinated and highly synchronized joint blow. I want the world to realize that Abkhazia is an arena of empire's revenge, "the second August", the explosive that is going to be used to blow up not only Shevardandze's Georgia, but Yeltsin's Russia as well. Boris Nikolaevich, Basaev’s Islamist thugs which you finance and arm will turn against you eventually.

All the events that have occurred prior to the present inferno are logically interconnected. On September 3, 1992 we signed the final document in Moscow. The link was still gone on the paper when the heavy boots of the mercenaries trampled the document by storming the unarmed Gagra. On May 14, 1993 we agreed on a cease-fire a landing force armed to its teeth was landed in Ochamchire district. As a result Sukhumi was virtually blockaded. And finally, for the mediator we have signed the agreement on 27 July 1993 and were betrayed again. The cannons that were to be withdrawn resumed thundering, the engines of the combat equipment, that was to be dismantled, were started anew, and the mercenaries that had allegedly been disarmed began their new assault. And once again we are forced to state that the guarantor has either been unable to be or did not wish to be one performing his duties.

My talks with general Grachev, the defense minister of Russia yielded no result. He insists on destroying us and continues his aid to terrorists. Russian airforce is bombing our cities, villages and killing thousands of civilians. Our ancient churches in Pitsunda and Akhali Atani are destroyed by Russian planes. How can you wage a war against your fellow Christians? How can you encourage and support the Islamist militants of Soslanbekov and Shamyl Basaev? This Islamist movement which Russia has created to destroy Georgia is spreading rapidly all over Caucasus.

Nevertheless I call all again on you Boris Nikolaevich, and on the entire Russia and the world community – do not let the monstrous crime to happen, stop the execution of the small country, save my homeland and my people from burning in the fire fanned by the imperial reactionaries. The nations, that has created a vast cultural heritage and an elevated spiritual Christian traditions.

Dear Boris Nikolaevich, don't you think the time has come now to stop destroying this ancient Christian nation? We will never forget or forgive if Sukhumi falls into the hands of separatist criminals. These will also be the words spoken for Russia since our peoples have often shared a common destiny.

I count on the help of the friendly Ukrainian people and their President with whom I signed a mutual assistance treaty. Ukraine has aided us in the most difficult times.

Aspiring to end the cold war I fought for the freedom and independence of all the peoples. Little did I know then that after the major threats confronting the mankind were removed pitch-dark clouds would descend upon my homeland.

Someone may say, this is a cry of despair. No! If it is a cry at all, then it is a cry of my soul, and the soul of my people, and I want it to be heard. Because the world cannot be happy, it cannot go on leading serene, comfortable life while the death threatens a nation, even if it happens to the smallest one.

I am writing this at 3 a.m. The city is being shelled. 1500 houses have already been destroyed. There is no water, no bread, no light and the hope is dwindling. The shelling continues. A few shells have just hit a maternity home, where it killed some mothers and their infants. Stop this Genocide!

I am not saying good-bye, I don't want to. May God send you peace and happiness."


 * Yes! Very interesting letter. Thank you Luis :) [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 17:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I will ask an admin to unblock me. Georgianis |  (t) 21:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

sock
Please refer to WP:AN/I for discussions abakharev 00:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is suspected that this user might be a sock puppet or impersonator of Bonaparte where are your solid proofs? [[Image:Flag of Georgia.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] Georgianis |  (t) 16:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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