User talk:Gmhayes4

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Some notes for your benefit

 * 1) The AfD process is not intended as, nor is it in practice, an attack on the subject of the article up for debate. It's merely a discussion where, after seven days, the closing administrator weighs all the arguments and decides whether to delete or retain the article based on those arguments. No one argument can act as a "catalyst" for deletion, though people are free to agree with or refute earlier arguments.
 * 2) The refund page will not restore, under any circumstances, pages that were deleted because of a deletion debate (such as AfD). This is because the page is set up solely for dealing with pages that were deleted via proposed deletion ("prod") or certain speedy-deletion criteria. The proper venue to bring these up at is WP:Deletion review, and you need to provide evidence that the original close was in some way improper, which looks like a very hard sell from what I can see.
 * 3) All Wikipedia articles must provide evidence that the subject is notable. (In April Masini's case, the relevant guideline is WP:Notability (people), and this was what tokyogirl was meaning when she was referring to "notability".) This generally means you need multiple reliable sources that discuss the subject as its main focus. Also bear in mind our biographical policy, which applies to all pages (whether or not they're articles or have anything to do with people notwithstanding) which requires any potentially-controversial or -derogatory statement on a page to be either sourced strongly or removed entirely. — Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 17:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I will add that the imperious use of language such as "must be undeleted" and "must be removed" (that latter ain't gonna happen, by the way; the discussion is part of the historical record) conveys an attitude that is unlikely to win you much sympathy from a collection of editors who are, after all, volunteers. Along with the repeated use of pretentious terminology like "stature", it also leads us to suspect that you have some sort of conflict of interest in this matter. These is no "right" to have an article about anybody in Wikipedia; and there is no deadline here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:36, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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Fashion articles
There is a widely-supported theory that fashion-related coverage in Wikipedia is weak (compared to coverage of, for example, first-person shooter video games and mixed martial arts competitors) because of the long noted gender imbalance among Wikipedia editors. As a male who is monstrously indifferent, if not indeed actively hostile, to all manifestations of fashion (as a glance at my userpage will demonstrate), I can readily acknowledge that there may in fact be a systemic bias issue here. This does not constitute a waiver of the standard requirements of verifiability, notability, and so forth, of course; but I just wanted to acknowledge one of the known problems here in the Wikipedia project, and not let us be mis-perceived as sweeping it under the rug. -- Orange Mike |  Talk  17:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're at all interested in helping subvert some of these bias issues, by the way, I suggest you drop a note onto the talk page of Sarah Stierch, who is one of our leaders in such matters. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * hi, i userfied your article here: User:Gmhayes4/April Masini. please note that before you put it into article space it needs some good references, book reviews to establish notability. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 17:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * before moving the article to April Masini, it's important to add more references, or it might get deleted. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 21:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * hi, i see the work you did, i would caution you wikipedia links should be as a blue link (internal link) or external links. it really needs some book reviews in a newspaper or magazine, or i regret it may not be ready for primetime. Slowking4 ⇔ †@1₭ 04:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. Although I have been able to find one, I'm still scouring for book reviews. Also, the links that I have provided detail her advice expertise through different media sources. Are these valid references? --G&#124;M&#124;Hayes&#124; 05:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I asked a question at WP:Teahouse that you might have interest in!
You can reply here! SarahStierch (talk) 23:24, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!

 * You probably don't need this talkback, but I have a user script I just wrote, and you replied just as I was looking for a guinea pig. Sorry! ;) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

April Masini
I saw your note on Fastily's talk page. I had already determined the deletion was not proper because I was reviewing some of his deletions for other reasons. (An article is G4able only if not improved, which is not the case here.) I had not yet restored it, but will do so now since Fastily has apparently gone on a break. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Thanks!GMHayes (talk) 05:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * My message on the deletion discussion section was meant to be constructive. I'm not questioning your ability to construct wikipedia articles written to dot the Is and cross the Ts to avoid deletion. However, you're not denying that you are a paid PR professional writing essentially a promotional piece. If the subject were notable enough on her own, would not fans write the page and contribute along the way? Further, the article has been deleted more than once prior to this - to me more proof demonstrating the subject does not pass the notability test. A poorly written article alone would not justify deletion - just major reworking.


 * The question here is A) notability and B) the article contributors. A promotional piece may be written in a way to simply share information about a less than notable subject. I could construct a very well written, factual, and in fact objective article about a teenage babysitter who happens to play the saxophone, won the role of an oak tree in a school play, came in third in a relay race, and shares her feelings on her Facebook page. The quality of the writing, nor the resume of an individual independently nor in sum inherently meet the notability test. Further, you're the primary author here - even to the point you petitioned to keep the page because of the work you put into it. Wikipedia is not intended to be a place to showcase your writing ability: it's about the good of the commons and creating something for public benefit. Creating paid pieces to raise awareness of celebrity wannabees does not meet that test.


 * Further, Masini lives in Bonita Springs in Lee County, Florida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromeliad39 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * First and foremost, Wikipedia is free and does not allow publicity for publicity's sake into its Encyclopedic index. That is why we all work together to keep promotional jargon out of the community.  As you read the article about April Masini you will find multiple references that provide notability.  As I have stated before, multiple Wikipedia editors contributed to the edits on the page; I have had extensive conversations with many of them and have learned so much about how great this community truly is.  If you need further information about the notability and the guidelines about creating articles on living persons please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons


 * Please provide documentation that proves that April Masini lives in Bonita Springs. My research indicates that she resides in Naples, Florida and is referenced (check the reflist on the article).


 * As for professionalism, please refer to my Userpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gmhayes4 You can email me directly by selecting the option to "Email this user" but I will not discuss my career in this forum, as it is inappropriate and irrelevant to editing.


 * When I found the April Masini page in dire standing, it was an opportunity to learn how I could better improve a page. After researching Masini, I found her to have an extensive professional career that is noteworthy and quite interesting!  Going from grass roots to fame is the American dream, and something that many young people strive for.  It's actually quite remarkable, and I wanted to create a page about it.  There are not many women featured on Wikipedia as it is, and the addition of such an article only helps to elevate Wikipedia's growth as a reliable public Encyclopedia.  In my humble opinion, that benefits everyone :)


 * My invitation still stands for your contributions to the page, as long as the information is well documented and we can cite it. Thanks for the challenge!  I look forward to reading your articles and contributions in the future! GMHayes (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi GMHayes! I have been in touch with A Quest For Knowledge and MisterRichValentine on my Talk page and they have both told me to ignore the COI threats and to focus on supplying as many supporting links to relevant sources and references as possible to both the article itself and to the discussion page. (I have copied AQFK's recommendation below.) Importantly, the links need to be placed within the article text and they need to connect to the media outlet (or other secondary source) not to the WP page of the named source. I hope the way I am explaining this makes sense?

I have been able to find a lot more references and sources than you currently have listed on the article and was wondering if I could somehow get them to you so that you can add them to the article?

After you've had a chance to look over AQFK's comments (below) would you please let me know what you think? Thanks! Jennyspencer (talk) 02:31, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

"The only issue at AfD is whether the topic is notable. COI and personal attack accusations have nothing to do with notability. Keep any off-topic comment brief or save it for the accuser's talk page. The deciding admin should be looking at all references, but you should make it easy for them to find. If you claim that USA Today published an article but fail to provide a link to the article, then the closing admin might conclude that there is no evidence that USA Today published such an article. IOW, post links to as many places as possible, include the AfD, the article talk page and integrate the link into the article itself."

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April Masini‎
Try not to let it get to you. If you want to keep the article from being deleted, the best way to do it is to find independent, reliable sources about April Masini‎. So newspaper and magazine articles about her are great. Press releases don't count. Try to find ones where they're talking about her as much as possible, and incorporate them into the article. For example, this is a great source. I have too many things going on to work on this article, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Good luck! A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * YES! Thank you for the information. GMHayes (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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A cookie for you!
HI SARAH! It's good to hear from you! I've been in the throes of real life - working, not working, reading, writing, and graphic art. Just got back from Boulder, CO a few days ago and loved every minute of it. How have you been? GMHayes (talk) 00:21, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

My new project - WWC
Hi G! I hope all is well. I wanted to stop by to share a new project with you that I am developing, called the WikiWomen's Collaborative. I would love your input about the project. Thank you for the consideration and I hope you'll participate in developing this exciting new project to bring more women and transwomen to Wikipedia! SarahStierch (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You can find the project page here.
 * On the talk page, you'll find a number of questions I'm seeking input on. I'm especially seeking thoughts about hosting the space off of Wikipedia (in the WordPress section). I hope you will join in on the conversation.
 * Finally, this project will be developed with volunteers from around the world who want to engage and support bringing new women to Wikipedia. If you think you'd like to be involved in some capacity, that'd be awesome. We're still working on developing roles, but, you can learn more about volunteer opportunities here.


 * Hi Sarah! Thank you for considering me for this excellent project.  I'll definitely take a look at your new collaborative and let you know!  Hope all is well with you!  - G. GMHayes (talk) 02:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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