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RE: Yoseikan article
Hi Graham,

Let me start off by saying that I like your Yoseikan Aikido article and its content.

Shortly before you posted it we were handling what perceived to be a double entry issue under Yoseikan and Yoseikan Budo and so merged the two.(see discussion section.)

I'm wondering what your thinking was behind adding a new section on Yoseikan aikido which I would think would come under the blanket term Yoseikan Budo? To me it would we like having separate sections for Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu and TSKSR iaijutsu.

But perhaps this is not fair. What's your thinking on this?--Mateo2006 17:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Yoseikan article
Hi,

To me Yoseikan Aikido is very different to Yoseikan Budo. Yoseikan Aikido is a school (style) of Aikido, and Yoseikan Budo is Sogo Budo, or complete martial art. If you ask most high level Yoseikan Aikidoka, they would make the statement that Yoseikan Budo (as it is today) is the creation of Hiroo Mochizuki (as sensei's Auge and Sugiyama do), and they learnt Aikido, Judo and Kobudo as separate, but intertwined arts from Mochizuki, and were graded separately in them. Aiki is considered a section of Yoseikan Budo, and the Wado Ryu Karate influence is very apparent, this and the influence of boxing and kick boxing has completely changed the stand up and fight methods of Yoseikan Budo, which is following modern trends in mixed martial arts.

The idea that Yoseikan Aikido is a subsection of Yoseikan Budo is very wrong, That would be like saying Kito Ryu is a subsection of Judo, now it is no longer taught, and only exists in the kata of Judo. Yes high level Judoka practice kata from Kito Ryu, but does that mean they truly understand Kito Ryu, since they have not spent countless years training (in full armour). I would have to say not. The primary art that they have spent that time on is judo, and that is why they are at the level to learn those kata. This is the same as a Yoseikan Budoka's Aiki component.

Simply put the fundamental goals and approaches are different, and I feel this is also true of Yoseikan Ryu Karate (which is fundamentally an offshoot of Shotakan and looks nothing like Yoseikan Budo), and why I have invited them to submit an article.

That's my thinking on the topic. Graham

Hi Graham,

Thanks for giving me the feedback on your perspective of which I find no fault with the main ideas. I'll leave you to develop things there though I don't think they'll leave a dead link to Yoseikan karate for very long. :)

I trained very briefly at the Yoseikan hombu in Shizuoka under Mochizuki-sensei back in 1991. He definitely used the term 'Yoseikan Budo' to refer to his art at that time but not necessarily as an institutionized term. There were even released videos of his art in the early 90s using the term if I'm not mistaken ('Yoseikan Sogo Budo'). But since Mochizuki Hiroo is more closely associated with the term 'Yoseikan Budo', perhaps coined it and is now using it to refer solely to his interpretation of the art it makes sense to make the differentiation.

People at the hombu did train separately in judo, kendo, karate (even weight lifting and boxing) at the hombu at that time. Mochizuki-sensei would send people out to study at colleagues dojos as well. The line between judo and aikido often seem to blur during aikido practise though and that was my favourite part. Irimi nage could end in kata hajime and jujigatame could get pulled out of the hat on someone struggling with a pin, never mind the sutemi waza which were so incredible. We didn't have separate classes in karate or Katori Shinto ryu while I was there. They were just parts of the general budo practise and were part of the same class. That they may have been formally separate parts of the curriculum may be true but they were not taught separately while I was there.

Auge-sensei was definitely felt to represent the particular mix of the hombu's budo at that time as well and his name was spoken of with great respect at the dojo.

Those were great times for me.

Best--Mateo2006 04:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It is true that Mochizuki Sensei used the term budo, as far as I have learnt the ideals of Budo were very important to him. The term was also very strong with O'sensei, as it continuously occurs in his doka, and Jigoro Kano, who insisted Judo was Budo and should never be an olympic sport. He also claimed that Aikido was true budo, and hence sent Mochizuki to train with O'sensei. But we all approach Budo from a different path, Mochizuki sensei had his Aikido and Judo, Hiroo has the Wadoryu/Modern flare. Personally, I am pure Aikido, but to advance I have to accept that Judo is a part of Yoseikan Aikido, which I have, and I feel that the only thing I can guarantee will be effective right now with my limited training are sacrifice throws. I do however feel that with constant training, my reliance on those and other judo techniques will decline in a real world situation. That is were Aikido approach is fundamentally different to Modern Yoseikan Budo, my goal is to train to reach that polished state, over time, I don't plan to fight of compete, so I don't need simple punches and kicks that will enable me to "win". I like the life long aspect, not the 3 years to black belt (not that that is what the Yoseikan Budo is doing, I just read an article about Zendokai, and they were talking about an average of a year or two), the idea of a 20 year technique is intriguing to me, and at 20 years I guess I will know if I need more time ore not :-)

BTW I am working on the Karate article, I have email the relevant people. Grahamwild 07:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Graham,

That all sounds great. Who is your aikido teacher?

just in terms of the use of the term here is a video that Mochizuki-sensei released in the early 90 with his use of the term "Yoseikan Sogo Budo' on the cover.

http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/search.php?substring=mochizuki

The budo portrayed here was completely consistant what was going on in the dojo at the time I was there. Well worth picking up (if you haven't already) as a snap shot of practise from that era. Patric Auge is also in evidence there.--Mateo2006 23:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I do indeed have them (it was a 2 DVD set). My teacher here in Perth is Hans de Jong. He was a student of the late Yoshiaki Unno. Out website is Hans de Jong if you want to have a look. I have also trained in LA with Auge Sensei, and I am hoping to return in the middle of the year. I don't know exactly what Auge Sensei's opinion is, but he uses the terms Yoseikan Budo, and Yoseikan Aikido interchangeably on his website, something that the group affiliated with Hiroo Mochizuki would not do. Those DVD's represent exactly what I did in LA, but there is an Aikido book from Mochizuki Sensei in Frence, called Ma Methods d' Aikido Jiu-jitsu, and this represents what we do here in Australia perfectly. The book is from 1957 or 1958. Grahamwild 03:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting additions to Yoseikan karate. Good work there!--Mateo2006 23:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Yeah, that's what I meant. That's great. Cheers. Xiner (talk, email) 00:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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