User talk:Herb Riede

Welcome Mr. Mayor and congratulations ;) Dr Debug 22:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

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World Tavern Poker Tour
I read your comment on my talk page, and I would like to make an argument on why the article should be deleted. Please note that this is just my opinion, and it could be grossly wrong. If you really have a problem with an article which has been deleted, you can take an article to deletion review.

Your dissertation on why the article should be kept, only led me to the conclusion that the article is better off deleted. The YouTube link that you provided seemed to give me evidence that none of the staff were serious about the tournament, and that the whole thing was a "joke" -- no respectable poker tour would interview passers-by because they looked like famous poker players.

About your comment: "However, I cannot write about that subject because there are no venues near me." That is no reason why you should or shouldn't create an article -- most importantly, before you write an article, the subject should be notable.

Also, the fact that

"Although venues are encouraged to give top 3 prizes, many give top one, and some only a tshirt or hat, and still get 40-60 plus a night (many go to the same rounds of places night after night)."

seems to indicate that there are only 40-60 players who attend each event, and that the prizes are limited to a hat or t-shirt, despite being, as you called it "the largest worldwide amateur poker league in existence" -- which still doesn't make sense, considering only 40 or so players play in a tournament.

"Because of this status, it is the largest organized league in an otherwise 'underground' sport."

There are many organized leagues of poker, all of which larger than the WTPT: the World Poker Tour and the World Series of Poker to name a few. Poker has, over the past few years, become a mainstream sport, considering that the two aforementioned tournaments are televised on the Travel Channel, and ESPN, respectively, to significant ratings. Both tournaments have at least one video game about them. Poker is not an underground sport anymore.

"Some have been, are, or have recently made the decision to be 'professional' or semi-pro players. Some others have dealt in casinos."

Like who? I challenge you to name one person who participates in this tournament who is a professional poker player (that is, someone with a Wikipedia article, as they are notable enough to merit an article). Also, many people have been dealt to in casinos -- that is not a special clause to make a tournament any more notable.

"The WTPT is the largest amateur league in a sport that is the #1 rated show for multiple cable networks."

Again, the "largest amateur league" statement is invalid. You used some creative wording to state that poker is a #1 rated show on multiple cable networks. This is true with World Poker Tour and World Series of Poker, but this does not mean that the WTPT is a #1 show on cable television -- I would venture a guess that the WTPT is not even televised, save maybe a public access television show.

I hope you understand that I responded in such a fashion as if to prove to you that this article is not notable. Hopefully my arguments for why the article should stay deleted have made sense. If you still have questions, you can contact me via my talk page. Regardless of what happens, I hope you continue to contribute to Wikipedia, and hope to see you continue your contributions. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 04:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Poker Player Notability
The WP:POKER is discussing what we believe constitutes notability for poker players. We have a proposal on our talk page, if you'd like to chime in, please do so here.Balloonman (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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