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ANI notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. on the thread "New Account" Nezzadar   [SPEAK]  17:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Scratch that. I'll bring the discussion to you. Quite frankly, my behavior has been reprehensible lately, and I want to make amends and restore my good name. After recently being verbally assaulted by another user, I came to realize how uncomfortable I must have made you. I am deeply sorry, and I hope you can come to forgive me. Thank you, Nezzadar   [SPEAK]  18:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Lifetime template
Hi, thanks for your message on my talk page. Yes, I have been adding this template to articles, because I feel it cleans up the category section by grouping several categories into one template; but if this is against consensus, I'll stop doing it. Thanks for letting me know. Robofish (talk) 23:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI thread
Can you take a look at the ANI thread on Help needed at Australian Vaccination Network and let me know if you have any specific objections to the article being unprotected to allow for continued improvement ? I have blocked the disruptive SPA who was edit-warring and blanking sections without any explanation, and there are at least three editors who seem interested in making improvements. Abecedare (talk) 04:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am new to this, so I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask regarding the AVN. I noticed the article is locked on a version that other users seem to have "blanked" and removed all the references.  Are you able to lock it on the version that contains all the references until a new version is developed in the discussion.  The version I am requesting is the last version reverted by 03:48, 13 November 2009 Shot info

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Vaccination_Network&oldid=325562296


 * No. That is an opinion piece, in violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Hesperian 05:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok. I guess I have a lot to learn about how this works as to me it is all referenced.  I will look at your link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.33.170 (talk) 05:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you take a look here when you are back online ? Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 15:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Me again
Hello, Hesperian. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  06:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou
Hello, Hesperian. Thanks for making me feel welcome to Wikipedia! And for your kind comments re my editing. It's taking me a while to get the hang of all the coding, so apologies for taking so long to respond. BoundaryRider (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

picts
Thanks for the uploading the images, they good I'll work on them in the next couple of days(weeks) Gnangarra 04:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Three diffs
. Knepflerle (talk) 01:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Hesperian 01:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
I appreciate the comment you left on ANI. The matter was closed by someone, so I'll let it go. It's sad to me seeing the loss of civility here among established users, let alone admins. And I wish the discussion I initiated could have proceeded, rather than devolve into a festival of mockery, suspicion, and attacks. Regardless, I'm glad there still a few idealists left. I wish you much luck. :) Cheers. 75.100.83.178 (talk) 03:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

bloody marvellous
been breathing fresh perth air for almost a week - what a relief - ready for anything - trust all is well - gave up on the idea of a break - too much crap has crept in the indonesian project back door so to speak :) SatuSuro 13:39, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello..
I know you disagree with my action, re: archiving the two threads at ANI, may I explain myself and see if you can see where I'm coming from? Thanks. SirFozzie (talk) 02:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a free country.... Hesperian 02:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested in hearing, too. This has been going on at a fever-pitch for a week, and episodically for much of the year. I'm pro-dispute-resolution and find dispute-prolongation to feed a toxic environment. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Right now, in my opinion (and those of others who are watching apparently), this discussion on both sides does neither side any good. I don't think that asking the community to do anything will work, because there is such a sharp divide, and so many high feelings. If you feel that such sanctions are necessary, I would counsel patience, and perhaps submitting a motion to ArbCom. If you decide to do so, there's nothing I can do to stop you, it's a free country, as you yourself said, but what I'm trying to do is minimize the drama and the aggravation that you and everyone else in this situation is going through. That's all. SirFozzie (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I reckon the best way to minimise drama is to identify who is causing it, and make them stop. So tell me, since you've nipped my proposal in the bud, what is your exit strategy for his shitstorm? Or do you just plan to go around preventing resolution and counselling patience? Hesperian 03:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * @SF: I do agree that ANI is not the venue. This is waiting for the AC — who are ever-busy; you've been warned ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Guess I missed the other thread (title threw me off). The simplest and first best option would be to indef ban Ikip for long term disruption and general nuisance making.  But I don't think the community is about to do that without way too much hand wringing and gnashing of teeth.  Either throw up an RfC or bring it to Arbcom as he (ikip) wants. Protonk (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw how the AN RFC/U went and I expect we would see a rerun with mebbe a few roles swapped. I like the RFD comment; quite spot-on. I believe we've an election to attend to and my original unban discussion came at maximal drama season, too. I think we need a bigger committee; like 3× larger and broken into panels. Seen The Terminator. Some things just "will not stop". Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Call me a glutton for punishment. It is def. a RfD, with the most amusing part being a steadfast disavowal of drama complete with exhortations to return to the encyclopedia.  Most of the RfDs would be shorter, more productive and less acrimonious if we weren't reminded every few sections of how deleterious they were to...everything.  But what the hell. Protonk (talk) 11:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if it said what I'd expect it to say, I'd be endorsing. These do amount to little rituals that must be endured. In the end, they serve as ratchets. There is only one way out of an iron maiden. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the only way out is to have an argument with Rod Smallwood. Bruce Dickinson tried another way, but in the end it didn't work out. Hesperian 12:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's one of the thing I *like* about this place; I learn things every day. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

An/i
We can probably continue the discussion here or on my talk page if you want. I don't want to keep adding to the "archived" discussion when all I'm bound to say is that the discussion should be closed. =\ Protonk (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Back to Banksia cuneata
Hey Hesp, I found these guys did such a nice job of the distribution map of the Australian Magpie, we could always chuck a request up for the distrib map of Banksia cuneata up at Graphic Lab/Map workshop as an alternative (with a link to a CALM or national herbarium map as a source). I am useless with images, and not sure whether you and Gnangarra like doing them or find it a bit of a chore (?) Anyway, anything else you wanna do with the article? The fundraising banner did get me thinking that if the unthinkable happened and this all collapsed in a stinking heap then the stuff I'd be most proud of and keen to keep or cache somewhere for some useful purpose would be the banksia stuff...I think we need to get a few more featured..... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I did add a distribution map, but I see my distribution maps as barely acceptable placeholders, sitting there until something better comes along. If I could figure out how to map our data into beautiful SVG maps, I would like it; but so long as I'm doing something I'm not particularly proud of, it is a chore. A better replacement would be very welcome I'm still not happy with the conservation section. I've identified several sources we ought to be citing, but I need to get into the State Library to get my hands on them, and I still haven't found time to do so. It hasn't slipped my mind–almost every day I ask myself whether today's the day I'll have time to slip in there, but it keeps not happening. I feel good about my chances for tomorrow or the next day... but then again I've been saying that for months. I'll drop you an email with a little more detail/context on that. Thanks for the poke; I need to refocus myself. Lately I've been coming to Wikipedia without specific goals in mind, and whenever I do that, disputes and dramas that would normally float unnoticed through my periphery, or else be seen as unwelcome distractions, suddenly become interesting and engaging. It isn't healthy. Hesperian 13:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy crap! I completely missed the map. That's okay, don't bust a gut with the library stuff. Think about sessilis for GA as the next one to get to a staging point (and you might do two articles with one trip subsequently :). cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Email. Hesperian 14:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Tell me about the sources - i might just have em to lend em :) -or otherwise i can get to state ref easier - (i was there today) - also many many photos still sit waiting to come your way (from uptown sesselis-ville - where sesselis at all stages of life just sit - doing their thing) SatuSuro 14:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Patrick, Susan (1982), Guide to the gazetted rare flora of Western Australia, Supplement 1.
 * Millar, Kirsteen (1982), Rare and geographically restricted plants of the wheatbelt of Western Australia.
 * Meredith, L. D. (1986), Rare or threatened Australian plant species in cultivation in Australia
 * Nickol, Jackie (1997), "Rare plants' regrowth out of Quairading wildfire", CALM news, November-December 1997, p. 7.
 * Nickol, Jackie (1997), "Successful re-establishment of matchstick banksia", CALM news, November-December 1997, p. 11.
 * (1995), Banksia cuneata recovery plan annual report. (This was of course issued annually, but I don't think the state library holds any issues other than 1995).
 * Hesperian 14:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

OK will see what I can do - may be a few days but... not long though SatuSuro 14:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The other one that is fairly cohesive and wouldn't take much work for GA anyway is Banksia menziesii. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

PS: In the interest of buffing up some stubbier ones, I started expanding Banksia petiolaris as it has an interesting DYK hook (the longest-lived leaves for an angiosperm thus far recorded). We are packing though and I realised some of my botany books have ended up in temporary storage (fumes +++) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally set myself to expand petiolaris, and you've basically done it all: not just the taxonomy section but all those little extras like the climate change paper and the stuff on germination. Plus there seems to be absolutely nothing of interest in the scholarly literature other than the leaf lifespan stuff. Does it have cluster roots? Hesperian 00:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am sure it'd have to, but there is actually little written about it...not even pollinators or anything..and I can't write about it anymore as my garden specimen died..oh wait, that'd be OR (oops)Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, you can find out if it has proteoid roots, how serotinous it is, and maybe a few other tidbits, by reading its entry in that bloody great table at the start of George (1981). Hesperian 01:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop press! DYK is short, so which is the next to do a 5x expand with some sort of hook? Banksia blechnifolia is easy if you have all teh material - has 170-some words now. Also Banksia chamaephyton - marginally more interesting hook as one can talk about underground stems...just start on one mebbe...or both? add in Banksia repens too....? Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I finally got into the library. Hooray! Some of the sources I wanted weren't available, and the rest offered little, but I may have something to add to the cuneata article over the next few days.

As for the next expand, they all sound good. I'm also kinda partial to Banksia verticillata, but I don't know if it offers a hook. Hesperian 01:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, verticillata looks good...ok, whichever has the best hook we whip up next along with cuneata. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a start on repens. Hesperian 13:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And at B. verticillata: it took me five sentences and six citations to say "we dunno". Hesperian 13:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, two 5x expansions a-comin' up...I was musing on some hook for verticiallata along the lines of what percentage of the population was theratened by dieback (most?), and I recall someone humorously calling repens the fractal-leaved banksia. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated one of the verticillata at DYK...which is attacked by...guess what...one is an easy 5x expand, but the Armillaria one might be a challenge to get to 600 words. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "5x expand by Hesperian, Casliber": you're such a gentleman. :-) Hesperian 11:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have thought of a hook for repens - the Riche sotry is cool...nivea is 194 words, can it be got to 1000...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Barnstar
Thanks for taking the time to award me a Barnstar. I do like to just focus on my task and don't expect anything but it's nice to get a barnstar! Diverman (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Yagan
Without more refs this will probably roll up at FAR sometime next year.  Aaroncrick  ( talk )  Review me! 01:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC) FYI - - re same subject - re the head SatuSuro 03:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Note taken
Taken - well done! See how dissapointing it can be :( SatuSuro 01:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * re favourite son - Oh dear - there indeed written and online sources regarding whether the new government built theatre in northbridge should be called the heath ledger theatre or not - a classic case in hand so to speak - http://www.google.com.au/search?q=heath+ledger+theatre&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a - oh dear oh dear SatuSuro 14:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Replaced names and basionyms
Hesperian, I was interested in your taxonomy section for Eucalyptus wandoo. I have looked through the WIKI plant pages and cannot find specific formats for describing replaced specific epithets (are these basionyms?). I suppose a replaced name is a replaced name and they may require explicit description in a taxonomy section as you have done. However, I have also been advised they could be cited as ''Genus species syn. oldname''. I greatly appreciate any light you can throw on this (such as direction to the appropriate forum). Of course, this information is more important for eucalypts where a nomen dubium has replaced the original! Didactik (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * G'day Didactik. When a botanist publishes a new name, it has to be tied to a specimen lodged in a herbarium somewhere. If it is a brand new taxon, then the name is tied directly to the specimen. If it is a new name for an old taxon, then the name is tied indirectly to the specimen, by tying it to the old name that is tied directly to the specimen. The old name that is tied to the specimen is called the basionym. Any other names for the taxon are synonyms but not basionyms. You are right that some people express synonymy in the format "Banksia sessilis (syn. Dryandra sessilis)" As far as I know, Wikipedia neither recommends this format, nor recommends against it. I'm happy to answer questions like this, but Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants might be a better forum. Hesperian 23:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the good feedback.Didactik (talk) 18:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Badjaling Nature Reserve
I was going to make a stub but couldn't find much online (have you seen anything? A straight google search was not fruitful....). Just looking at the redlinks. Do you feel happier with the conservation section of cuneata now? What else to double check on...Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Once the holidays are done and dusted, I should be able to get access to Vegetation of Badjaling and South Badjaling Nature Reserves, Yoting Town and Yoting Water Reserves (Biological Survey of the Western Australian Wheatbelt 12), which will certainly suffice to establish notability. But that is more than a month away, and I'm reluctant to keep putting this off. Maybe unlink it for now? Yes and no. There are still several key publications that I haven't been able to get hold of; see the SPRAT site. But on the other hand, we can state in all fairness that we have made a good faith effort to obtain all relevant publications, and that these unpublished reports are simply too hard to get hold of. Hesperian 12:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind re Badjaling Nature Reserve, I'd leave the redlink unless someone complains about it. There are differing opinions and one won't matter I think. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * WRT the other, I am not too fussed about omitting unpublished reports for the time being. I'll take a look at the SPRAT site. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Wagin Banksia
I thought I'd worked out where the site was, and as that place is just a few hundred metres from a road I regularly transit, I thought I'd take a few photos and surprise you. I've now been there twice and see nothing that looks like a banksia. FYI. :( –Moondyne 13:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying; I'll have a poke around and see if I can provide a more definite location, in case you go back again in future. Hesperian 07:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There are four groups of populations:
 * Three populations in the Wangeling Gully Nature Reserve at Tarwonga. One population used to be on private property, and another used to be on road verge, but WGNR was enlarged to take in both of them. The third is near the southern boundary of WGNR. It helps that all three are near or the reserve boundary, but on the other hand you can count on WGNR being well fenced off. According to the original paper, the type species also came from WGNR: "Nature Reserve 9098, 28 km NW of Wagin, Western Australia, -33.16667°N, 117.06667°W.
 * Three populations in the vicinity of Katanning, two of which are on an Aboriginal reserve, the other on private property.
 * Two populations at Dudinin, one in a reserve, the other on private property.
 * One population on private property at Toolibin.
 * Because this is an endangered species, most herbaria won't share their geodata; but the Australian National Botanic Gardens is an exception. Their three specimens are geocoded to -33.16667°N, 117.16667°W, -33°N, 117.66667°W and -33.33333°N, 117.16667°W. Notice that all three have only one significant digit in the minutes, suggesting that these are rounded to the nearest 10 minutes.
 * Hesperian 07:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well none of those match my site -33.20051°N, 117.22475°W; my source was an LGA contact and the issue may be the exact location of Wangeling Gully NR (which she was trying to point me to but apparently got wrong), and which is supposedly at -33.22028°N, 117.09444°W, per . I have no idea about accessibility there, but will look next time. –Moondyne 10:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll just keep my fingers crossed...I am a loooongg way away...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Banksia verticillata

 * Actually Banksia verticillata is not in such bad shape..not too much work and it could be GA too...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Segue
[untangled from previous thread]

Well done for that - but you naughty boy - you dont tag your new stubs :( SatuSuro 13:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why bother? I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how this helps us build an encyclopedia. What advantages accrue from all the effort? Without a cogent answer to that question, all this tagging is merely noise on my watchlist that masks genuine talk page questions and comments. Hesperian 13:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to quantify that, in the last four days 15 edits have been made to article talk pages on my watchlist. One was made by me; one was an archive bot; two were actually comments; the remaining 11 were header updates of one sort or another, i.e. pointless noise. Of the two actual comments, I missed one of them (until just now). I would not have missed it if it were not for the fact that three quarters of the edits were pointless noise. So there's a concrete example of how all this tagging causes harm. Now, for the umpteenth time, I challenge y'all to explain to me, in concrete terms, how these 11 edits helped us build the encyclopedia.

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 * Hesperian 13:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry I only do manual changes - and have nothing to do with bots - your frustration is in the wrong direction mate - I am not a bot and simply the top two were in as much as what our compatriot moondyne would do for wa assessment - as for the rest youll have to vent at somebody or something else - or change your watchlist :) SatuSuro 14:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * True, the bots are especially bad at the moment; and they seem to be getting worse all the time; and I admit I am frustrated with it. True, if the bots buggered off and your two edits remained, I could not complain that genuine comments were being swamped by talk header changes. Nevertheless I am at a loss to see the massive benefits that have accrued from the massive efforts invested in tagging. And until someone demonstrates to me a benefit comparable to the effort invested, I shall continue to abstain (notwithstanding the outstanding characters of the many true gentlemen who choose to participate). Hesperian 14:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Shut up or the Wagyl will get you, boy. –Moondyne 15:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You better hope section s18d of the Act covers literary allusions. ;-) Hesperian 05:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I did have an idea about a wikiproject Endangered Species (thought it'd be good for schoolkids or greenies or whoever) and when I was/am going to set it up, get a bot to review all bio taxoboxes and tag all of threatened or worse status - instant populated wikiproject....? Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually the pointlessness of anything has come to me in a few phonecalls and sms's since i did my last comment - 8 houses lost http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/29/2782291.htm?section=justin and the fire is not contained at Toodyay - I have been notified I am on a crew tommorow afternoon - the bloody wind up there must be causing the poor buggers sheer havoc tonightSatuSuro 14:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Aloys Pollender <— go for it. Hesperian 13:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Taxoboxen
Happy New Year! When you get a moment, do you think you could work your AWB script magic on the taxoboxen of the flora articles created by ? They're a mess of old taxonomy and parentheses. Unless it would take more effort to set up the script than to do it manually, then don't bother. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Nominating Banksia cuneata at FAC
Do you feel ready for this to go into the snake pit, or do you want to chase the other reports? i.e. you okay for time to address stuff or you wanna leave for a bit? I don't feel to unhappy not incorporating unpublished stuff (wow, how many negatives can I stick in one sentence...) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't really answer you last time. Yeah, I'm happy. Go for it. Hesperian 02:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No sweat. I think verticillata is not too far of GAN either. It looks pretty well rounded with no holes, just needs fleshing out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I appreciate your contributions but I have a small suggestion/constructive criticism, please don't take it as me being defensive.

In the discussion I started on Template Talk:Taxobox you said "It annoys me when people refactor their text after it has been responded to. It falsifies the discussion by misrepresenting what has been replied to."

First of all, to me it seems like you are as assuming malice over ignorance, when I could not have known that you would be annoyed by my action. I merged the two versions after an edit conflict, and I did check before merging to see if the meaning had changed, which would invalidate your reply. But I didn't think then, and still don't think now, that the new wording misrepresents the original, and I feel you totally went against the spirit of my action by undoing the merge of the discussion. Really it's just the disregard of intention that peeves me a bit. Not all contributions on Wikipedia have to be flawless, but when rejecting a flawed contribution without acknowledging or contributing to the intent behind it, your criticism comes off as destructive.

This could totally just be me nit picking and the only reason this is long-winded is because I am inexperienced at writing concisely, not as a representation of the level of damage done to my psyche :) I hope I buttered up the criticism up enough for you to not take it badly. Thanks Ljcrabs (talk) 04:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


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