User talk:IrishDonovan

Please delete my account and edits "db-u1" on. I have been greatly misunderstood because of my communication difficulties due to Autism and intellectual delay.

Donovan ownership
In a recent edit summary you stated,. This is not how Wikipedia works. See WP:OWN where it is explicit that. If you want the Donovan article to include a lot of irrelevant genealogy, in violation of WP:NOTGENEALOGY, you will need to make your argument on the Talk page, rather than just restoring the material and declaring that nobody else can edit it. Agricolae (talk) 23:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you deleted material from the Talk page. This is inappropriate under almost all circumstances. Agricolae (talk) 23:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe you are an individual who is not from Ireland and do not have any understanding of Ireland and its families. I believe you have something against Irish people.

Explain to me what this means "Genealogical entries. Family histories should be presented only where appropriate to support the reader's understanding of a notable topic."
 * Genealogies, being paid for by families, are notoriously not impartial nor complete, and often not reliable at all. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but likewise, it means that genealogical trivia should not be included simply for its own sake, it needs to be noteworthy and sufficiently informative without being given disproportionate emphasis. Pointing out that a single member of a family married someone who descended hundreds of years earlier from the British royal family, or that someone famous was a member of a family that 800 years before was a member of the same group of families as the O'Donovans, doesn't really tell you anything useful about the O'Donovan family.  It is just there for the purposes of portraying the family as more noteworthy because of these extremely tangential connections to famous people.  This contrasts with the marriage of the founder to an Uí Ímair, which seems to have been important not only politically but also in terms of the family's self-identification, if naming in the early generations is any indication.  Thus the link to the Uí Ímair is fully appropriate, while claims of remote and tenuous links to famous people are not. Agricolae (talk) 00:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And though I should ignore it, you are again suggesting that my nationality (or rather what you think my nationality is not) should preclude me from editing. If you want your own page, one where you can determine who is and who is not allowed to edit, there are other venues for that, but it is not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is an open, collaborative encyclopedia that anyone can edit, no matter what their nationality, ethnicity, surname, or even expertise. Agricolae (talk) 00:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IrishDonovan. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page O'Donovan family, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I have been greatly misunderstood because of my communication difficulties due to Autism and intellectual delay. I now do not believe o Donovan page should be edited only by o Donovan I felt it had to be because I felt they were not fully representated based on facts. Due to my misunderstanding I am now not able to take part in Wikipedia which is hurtful Thank you for your time IrishDonovan (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Minor edits
You recently marked as minor edits two changes to the O'Donovan page that were substantive, not minor. Wikipedia has a very specific definition of what constitutes a 'minor edit', those that are 'superficial', such as fixing typographical errors or modifying punctuation. Any edit that changes the meaning of the text or that for any other reason is likely to be controversial is not a minor edit and should not be marked as such. See WP:MINOR. Agricolae (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
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Thank you. David Biddulph (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Can u help me sign it please I can't follow instructions on Wikipedia don't understand it IrishDonovan (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

See Also section
The Manual of Style says of See Also sections that "As a general rule, the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body." Agricolae (talk) 10:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Islamophobia, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 15:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

What does " Content corrected in definition by MEND on Islamaphobia " mean
I really need to know. I am an Administrator here and this edit summary of yours is strange, and when I read the comments above, worrying. Doug Weller talk 15:56, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

MEND - Muslim Engagement and Development www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Engagement_and_Development Is an holestic anti Islamaphobic Organization which provides advocacy for Muslims and their supporters to tackle Islamaphobia, to lobby governments to change law, to investigate Islamaphobia, to partner and educate with law enforcement and local authorities. It's important to reflect the definition from Muslims as well as it is them who deserve a right due to them been a target IrishDonovan (talk) 11:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

No longer view o Donovan as ownership
I apologise for the confusion, I have misunderstood the article and therefore will no longer be editing it Thank you IrishDonovan (talk) 10:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Muslim Disability Awareness. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. John of Reading (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

John can you help me do it please I am confused by all of rules. Can you put page Muslim Disability Awareness back to its original link as I don't want people associating it to me because I am anxious people knowing my private life IrishDonovan (talk) 11:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. I don't have the technical ability to do the move for you, as that particular move needs an admin or "page mover". But you should discuss the move with first, since his opinion was that the article needs more work before it can be part of the encyclopedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Can you explain it to me in simple instructions and a link I am still confused. IrishDonovan (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * (and picking up, who seems to have been dragged into this as well). The article, while I suspect the topic is a notable one, was insufficiently referenced to strong sources (particularly considering the sensitivity of the subject). (It still is, El_C, and I strongly argue it still does not meet WP:BASIC in its current form.) So I intended to move it to draftspace, but lo and behold, I could not, because Draft:Muslim Disability Awareness already exists. But this was created by User:Irishroyals in April; what's the connection between these two accounts? And if IrishDonovan doesn't want their name associated with the article, why did they create it? It's extremely confusing, I'm sure unnecessarily so. ——  Serial  11:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I spent about 10 minutes trying to proofread and redact promotional tone and non-notable mentions. But, indeed, we don't really get a sense of the organization's scope. https://peacecentre.uk/faq/ certainly does not inspire confidence. Anyway, I have moved the page to Draft:Muslim Disability Awareness (second draft). El_C 12:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good move. To be honest, I think you, me and John of R.are dancing in the dark here. Calling and  who also appear to have a background on this?  ——  Serial  12:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Your request
It has been accomplished. Regards, El_C 11:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for helping me


 * Anytime. El_C 11:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi I am sorry to confuse Serial 11:53 The reason I didn't want it associated is maybe misplaced anxiety because I am an At Risk Adult receiving care and under Safeguarding it's important to keep us safe if any association was with a group. I am just as confused due to my condition which is Autism and Moderate intellectual delay, I need assistance in editing as I am making mistakes and misunderstanding the procedure on Wikipedia. It's difficult for people not from UK maybe not understanding Safeguarding so it's difficult for me to explain. I rather someone from England explain for me please IrishDonovan (talk) 12:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

To user ELC if you look at bottom of peacecentre page on front page you will see logo of Muslim Disability Awareness at the bottom
 * Okay, but what does that teach me? Again, I'm looking at https://peacecentre.uk/faq/ (which is basically a blank page). El_C 12:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Yes sorry I was not aware their FAQ was not edited I would of thought having logo and link to MDA might suggest the association? Would note clear definition be required can u talk me through it please IrishDonovan (talk) 12:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, we would need an overview of the organization (for example, the number of employees and/or volunteers, or the organization's annual revenue, and so on) from somewhere credible. Do you have any ideas where such information could be found? El_C 12:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean Musk Disability Awareness specifically, since I'd apart of peacecentre and needs a more thorough confirmation on peace centre website it would require them to disclose this to prevent confusion. A document can be sent by email and a a website of MDA would need to be created which it has in past.I don't think there is information on volunteers online,I can contact them to fullfil requirements of Wikipedia. From other organisations like scope or mencap they do mention on their site the team members but does not disclose this as much on their Wikipedia page. The only validation is confirming Peace Centre as a charity but there has not been added confirmation of a direct link with MDA to peace centre although this is fact I think it needs to be more official connection. Similar MDA in Uganda as a registered charity is confirm but no Governent in Uganda lists charities and Pakistan there is stil vauge connection. So what do you feel needs to be added, official information of connection through websites? IrishDonovan (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

since I'd apart, is not I'd typo IrishDonovan (talk) 12:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Since MDA is a project of peacecentre the volunteers are through peacecentre. As Salaam Trust can be found on government website charity commission as registered charity but the connection to their project MDA is not mentioned officially on their website IrishDonovan (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Account deletion request
Hi ,


 * would you like the page "User:IrishDonovan" to be deleted?
 * would you like the page "User talk:IrishDonovan" to be emptied?
 * would you like your username to be changed? To which new name?

Best regards ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

User talk deleted I am not sure at moment because people are misunderstanding me Andi am finding editing complicated and need help so I don't make mistakes. Changed to a new name would make me feel safe. IrishDonovan (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. There are two ways to change your username:
 * Creating a new account. This has no effect on your old contributions.
 * Renaming your account: If you want to make your old username disappear from history.
 * If I understand correctly, you want to rename your account. Which new name would you like to use?
 * ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Anewunderstanding Please.

I would like old name disapear and I need one to one help in editing IrishDonovan (talk) 12:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "Anewunderstanding" should be the new name, correct? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * IrishDonovan, Wikipedia does not really offer that sort of assistance. There are mentors, if you're lucky enough to get one, but even they are for general guidance rather than one-on-one intensive editing assistance. El_C 12:43, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a volunteer project. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Can you change name for me Tobefree IrishDonovan (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Mentorship
WT:MENTOR is not the place to request a mentor. See Adopt-a-user for available mentors. El_C 14:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I need help to know how and who to ask for help u need to address it in simple instructions please IrishDonovan (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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