User talk:JIP/Archive 16

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Awards_in_Battlefield_2:_Modern_Combat
Hi JIP. I was hoping you could comment on my points in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Awards_in_Battlefield_2:_Modern_Combat, which you recently voted in. I am quite concerned that the term "game guide" is being abused to no end for the purposes of deleting legitimate factual information that people would come to Wikipedia to look up. Remy B 03:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Motorhead
I reverted back to the disambiguation page. Please think of the people who come to Wikipedia looking for information about the band. It is a very, very notable band, and the average user doesn't put umlauts in search engine windows. PT ( s-s-s-s ) 19:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Two photographers
JIP, I'd temporarily forgotten: you're a speaker of Finnish. Splendid! I was in Helsinki a couple of weeks ago: my first time in Finland and much too brief (just two days). What an extraordinary place, where a department store may have what surely must be one of the best bookstores in the universe. Of course I found time to do a bit of browsing there, and was impressed by two books: the enormous (and necessarily expensive) ''Ihminen pääosassa. Kuvia suomalaisista'' by Ismo Hölttö, about whom I quickly wrote a stub; and I. K. Inha: Unelma maisemasta, a truly stunning book that I quickly bought. This book has an English-language summary about Inha, but I can find little else about him in any language I happen to be able to read. (Lots in Finnish, though.) I hope to start an article on him fairly soon. Meanwhile, if you can add anything about Hölttö, please do; and although I didn't see it myself, I believe I can highly recommend this. -- Hoary 14:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Just as a note
I decided to state that I am offended by your stereotypical joke. Quite frankly, stereotypical jokes instill a separation between set 'classes'; and much like racism, they can conjure conflict between them. If I were to claim wikipedia admins have testicular cancer due to having a laptop on their lap all the time you wouldn't conform to that point of view that easily, would you? In this case, more likely, the joke appears to be benign (let alone the stereotype that all admins are male) and even if you disagree you probally will not do anything about it. However if this idea 'caught on' and people began chanting it you wouldn't be so kind to dismiss it. I once bore witness to a 'blonde' who didn't take too kindly to the 'all blondes are idiots' jokes, to put it lightly. The worst part is that not only do stereotypical jokes catch on quickly, they stay there, and become intigrated in society. One can only conclude that the more naive or influential people may actually believe the stereotypes presented in these jokes (don't even say 'no', just look at all these 'videogames made me kill' murders and the protestors that believe it. Why not 'the telly made me kill' or 'the internet made me kill'? Because society 'WANTS' those things, but that is a separate debate). The end result is that from spreading stereotypical jokes you are helping instill a separation between the 'classes' listed in your joke as well as potentially misinforming others, you even create conflict between the 'classes' adressed in the stereotype. However, the most important fact is that stereotypical jokes are just plain rude.

The point here is not to simply tell you that the joke is offensive to some, but to inform you of the reason such jokes should not be tollerated. Unfortunatly, most think otherwise. I don't expect you to agree with me, I don't even expect you to listen to what I say; but I do expect you to understand my point and respect my right to express it. Merranvo 16:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What was the joke? I have to know!  Cardinal Wurzel 21:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Something you might be interested in
Since you requested deletion for the One Peice attacks, I thought you could help out here: Articles for deletion/List of Dragon Ball special abilities. Hydromasta231 04:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

SMFR
The article SMFR has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This happened because the article seems to be about a subject but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. You might also want to read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. -- Merope Talk 18:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest that you request a deletion review for both groups, then. Good luck!  -- Merope Talk 18:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Martti Ahtisaari
In an interview on Finnish TV, Martti Ahtisaari said that he thought this was his last chance to have a realistic hope of ever winning the Nobel Peace Prize. I took it to mean he isn't going to bother trying to win it any more. But I'm glad you reverted my addition anyway, it wasn't really important. J I P | Talk 14:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I wonder why he would say that. He might get it next year or whenever he is done with Kosovo. I hope he is okay health-wise. Anyway, I'm happy that you approve of my edit at ITN. --PFHLai 15:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Misc page
I was curious about your "God"/"G-d" comment. Are you representing your own views in a serious manner, or are you joking? --Dweller 11:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was joking. As can be seen from my user page, I'm an atheist, so I would not present the "G-d" argument seriously. J I P  | Talk 11:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know any religious people who would have made those comments; I'm glad you're just making fun of religion/religious people, rather than being a nutter. --Dweller 12:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

actually quite simple
Keep status quo until there is a consensus. That is what i am doing. Articles that started out without diacritics should stay that way until there is a consensus and articles that started out with diacritics should stay that way too. I only revert people who deviate from status quo. Masterhatch 17:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That raises a question - when is there going to be a consensus? There has been discussion about it, but the way you've so strongly spoke against diacritics isn't exactly helping to form a consensus. What, in your opinion, could we do to help the issue? Also, the general principle of your argument: "in the absence of consensus, always maintain the spelling first used" would mean that the spelling first used should always be used, even if it's blatantly wrong. If Martti Ahtisaari had initially been spelled "Marti Ahtisari", would people be sticking to that spelling? J I P  | Talk 17:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When is there going to be a consensus? i have no idea. There is only one place i know of that is actually trying to work towards a consensus and that is here. Discussions there have stalled, too. As of now, there is no consensus on the issue and no guidelines (only proposed conventions, which don't mean a lot right now) either. So, status quo must remain until such time. You said, "...the way you've so strongly spoke against diacritics isn't exactly helping to form a consensus." Well, i can turn that right back at you and say, "the way you are so stronly spoken about using non English characters isn't helping form a consensus either." Your statement makes an assumtion that you are right and i am wrong. Neither of us are right or wrong, so don't pressume anything, please. I dont' know if it is your english level or ignorance, but this statement "..."in the absence of consensus, always maintain the spelling first used" would mean that the spelling first used should always be used, even if it's blatantly wrong." makes me laugh. Obviously, if there is a spelling mistake, move it to the right spelling! Teemu Selanne is not a spelling mistake in English. Teemu Sellane, on the other hand is, though. If the article was originally entitled Teemu Sellane, then obviously it should be moved. Masterhatch 18:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

A totaly irrelevant question
Hi there, can you understand Hungarian without learning it? :-) I never met any Hungarian who went to Finland and vice versa, and your userpage says you went to Hungary few times. And it says you understand basic Hungarian, too. Now, I wonder, is it because you learned Hungarian or because Finnish and Hungarian are mutually intelligible (on some basic level)? --Dijxtra 08:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have studied Hungarian at the University of Helsinki, for one beginners' course. However, the times when I went to Hungary were as a small child, and at that point I didn't understand any Hungarian. I still don't understand much Hungarian, as I have forgot most of what I learned because of lack of use. Finnish and Hungarian are certainly not mutually intelligible on any level. The Hungarian people I know don't understand Finnish any more than I understand Hungarian. Now Finnish and Estonian, though, are mutually intelligible in practical conversation and writing, at least if you stay around the Helsinki-Tallinn area and don't wander too far north in Finland or too far south in Estonia. J I P  | Talk 08:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer! I was wondering how close they are since they both are in Ugro-Finnic family, but that obviously doesn't mean they are close... Thanks again! --Dijxtra 15:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Masterhatch
I can see that you have tried to talk with this user before. Perhaps you can help me with this then?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion tags
what are you referring to? 4.18GB 03:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The deletion tags on Aikakone and Heidi Puurula. J I P  | Talk 04:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Treaty of Hamina
A Swedish admin, user: Fred Chess has protected this article's title into its Swedish name. Its name should be Hamina, not Fredrikshamn as it ended the Swedish reign, Hamina was and is a Finnish speaking city and the treaty's importance is bigger in Finnish history than in Swedish. I think he might be biased because he is Swedish. --Jaakko Sivonen 17:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this notice! I do not know enough of the dispute yet to have an opinion about it, but I can see if I can unprotect the title, and/or take it to WP:RFC. J I P  | Talk 08:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Calculator Cricket VS Football VS Petanque etc
I've taken the liberty of responding on your Talk page rather than the AfD, since I'm not sure it's entirely relevant to the subject of the AfD itself: The basic version of calculator cricket which I know is a much simpler game to the calculator football described in the article. Essentially, the only use of the calculator is to determine (with random numbers) how many runs a batsman scores each delivery. The coin toss is done with a real coin, and after each innings is finished the numbers are added manually. From what's written up on the article, it'd probably be quite easy to take the mechanics of calculator football and apply them to any other sport you could name - it looks like the kind of thing which can be done that way. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ultimateeconomicus
Same guy who did Ultimateeconomics is back at it again.... Tubezone 19:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
I've added the "prod" template to the article Drewan Störe, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Drewan Störe. If you remove the dated prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.Derlay 01:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Lucky Luke and Tabasco Sauce Article
Hi, can you tell me which issue (month, year) Tabasco sauce appeared in the Lucky Luke comic book series (per your addendum in the Tabasco sauce article)? Thanks, --Skb8721 15:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know the date, but the name of the issue is "The convoy to New Mexico" (or something, I'm translating from Finnish). It's the issue where Lucky Luke has to escort Billy the Kid to another state so that he can be sentenced of a crime he committed there. J I P  | Talk 18:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Fatalis
Hi, didn't realize this was previously deleted material--I took a lot of time with the nomination because the article's creator seemed new. I see from the deletion log that you deleted the article before--is that the only way you knew? It seemed like an even earlier version of Fatalis that had been deleted was about a Digital Pet, so not the same material. Anyway, just wondering if there was a way to find out what a previous deleted version was so that, in the future, this could be speedied. Thanks. Darkspots 11:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I looked at the deletion log and saw that I had previously deleted it. The ability to find out what a previous deleted version is is only available to Wikipedia admins. Since I am one, I looked into the version I had deleted and saw that it was about the same Monster Hunter character, but not an exact copy. J I P  | Talk 12:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes sense. Darkspots 17:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Turun Baletti
Doesn't is simply make sense to undelete this article, then turn it into a redirect to BDSM in Finland without going through any bureaucracy?

Anyone who heard a little about this and is seeking information about it is likely to look here at Wikipedia. We want people to begin their searches here, don't we?

I'm not an admin, so I have no idea what content exists prior to deletion, but having a redirect with an edit history is always preferable to having a new redirect with none. Un focused  16:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Translation into English/Finnish
I was checking out the backlog we have on the translation page (mainly my own fault) and was wondering if you would be interested in starting a translation project like many of the other languages have where they have stuff listed on a separate page? There are a lot of articles that are awaiting translation and Ernst Stavro Blofeld has been actively adding Finnish articles to the English Wikipedia; usually I help him out, but I've been swamped at work and school of late so haven't gotten around to either. OT: what on earth is going on with Turun baletti? Has it turned into an organization that doesn't meet up anymore? And why does it keep getting deleted? -Yupik 14:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the proposal, but I'm not sure if I can devote enough of my time to be really active on a translation project. I have seen many articles translated by Ernst Stavro Blofeld, but many of them also have errors, some minor, some major. I think Finnish is not his native language, so I as a native Finnish speaker would be a better translator. About Turun Baletti, last time I checked, it still meets actively. They held a club night only a week ago. The only reason for the article's deletion was non-notability. J I P  | Talk 14:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was actually hoping to get others involved, too. I'm not sure what level of Finnish the other two Americans on here that know Finnish have; the rest of you are then Finns. ESB doesn't know any Finnish AFAIK, which is why he makes the errors in the first place. The reasoning behind starting up a separate page for Finnish translations was actually because they seem to be taking over the main page as there are so many of them. I'll see what I can do about it. As to TB: there seems to be some systematic deletion of BDSM-related articles. I'm not sure what the notability criteria were that were applied to TB, but it at least used to be notable enough within Finland for inclusion. -Yupik 08:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Gerhard Lang
You might as well have deleted it yourself then bring it to deletion review. :)

Sorry
Sorry for the revert and warn - my button had clicked it before I noticed. I think it's time to go to sleep :) Cheers, and sorry again, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 10:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have to admit I was quite surprised by the article, but it turned out the game really is a masturbation simulator. You don't get games like that any more. =) J I P  | Talk 10:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what threw me - I looked at the content, clicked it thinking it must have been some nonsense, and then by the time I checked the contributor (by now, my neck's getting sore, so that movement to the top of my screen is taking a while :P) and the edit summary, it was already reverting and warning you for "nonsense vandalism". Sorry again, and keep up the great editing, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 10:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Mathematical induction
Re your recent change to Mathematical induction, what do you mean by "going in the right direction"? If an elevator stops on the 2nd floor of a 3-floor building, and I am there and want to go down, the elevator is not necessarily heading down.

Counterexample: two people get on on the first floor. One hits "2" and the other hits "3". The elevator stops at 2, opens right before me, but is not going in the direction I wish it to.

--Drostie 20:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This will become clear if you think about the proof a little more closely. Remember the principles of mathematical induction. J I P  | Talk 23:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just answer the damn question. If you find it is unclear without "thinking about the proof a little more closely," then it is not Wikipedia material. Indeed, it smacks of "original research" anyways. Drostie 01:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. The proof is flawed. The "by induction" part doesn't work because when you add another floor, it's no longer the same building, so the statement for the previous top floor doesn't apply any more. J I P  | Talk 07:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Countries!
I like your display of countries you have been to on your user page. Is there anything special I need to do if I'd like to implement something similar for myself? Thanks for your reply. Keesiewonder 12:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's nothing special. It's a normal wikitable with SVG pictures used as "official" flag symbols on Wikipedia on the left hand side, and text on the right hand side. Here you can see the source code for the first row:


 * Other rows work as well. J I P  | Talk 12:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Ceci n'est pas un edit
LOL. ( Radiant ) 13:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Copy-paste move of Battle of Bay of Viipuri
I reveted the copy-paste move of Battle of Bay of Viipuri to Battle of the Bay of Viipuri. Could you please redo the move. -- Petri Krohn 21:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. J I P  | Talk 07:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Galactic (computer game)
I've added the "prod" template to the article Galactic (computer game), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Galactic (computer game). You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Brianyoumans 06:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have nominated this article for deletion by the AFD process. --Brianyoumans 22:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Messed up move at Lantmarskalk
Need your help in reverting some bad moves:
 * 17:00, 5 November 2006 (moved Lantmarskalk to Lord Marshal: use english)
 * 17:04, 5 November 2006 (moved Lord Marshal to Swedish Lord Marshal: contents of the article have long been limited to Sweden; a new article will be created for the overall concept)

Lord Marshal is now a kind of disambiguation page with Lantmarskalk redirecting to it. Swedish Lord Marshal should be mowed back to Lantmarskalk. -- Petri Krohn 22:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. J I P  | Talk 09:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Phajje ke Paye on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Phajje ke Paye. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Just adding this per instructions.Vercalos 05:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)