User talk:Jayarava

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Thank you for your recent additions to the Prajñāpāramitā article. :-)

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 * my pleasure. Jayarava (talk) 09:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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Talk: Heart Sutra
Hello Jayarava, I saw the dispute on Talk Heart Sutra. Please see WP:TALK, WP:PA and Dispute resolution for more info on relevant wikipedia policies and guidelines. There is also an essay about Expert editors. JimRenge (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'd been taking a light touch approach in the article and trying to make it clear in talk that research is ongoing. Then suddenly I was being bullied and there were multiple attempts to hack my account. In reality the article is mostly bullshit written by religious fanatics to make themselves feel superior. With this level of hate I won't be participating any more. Let the article be shitty and controlled by fanatics. I have better things to do. Jayarava (talk) 07:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have also received a message from wikipedia that someone tried to login into my acount. I wondered if this might be an attack related to my recent edits. However, more than 400 000 accounts were attacked in waves in the last few days, I am convinced this is no specific attack against you or me . The admin you asked for support has beeen inactive for a month. If you need help/advice, you might consider to ask uninvolved, experienced editors at the WP:TEAHOUSE, the good-will space inside wikipedia. JimRenge (talk) 11:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Nope. I'm not interested in disputes. No one else seems interested either. Such articles are inevitably captured by the fanatics, its just something we have to live with. I have better things to do. Best of luck. Jayarava (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for identifying the now deleted article Edward Conze as an unambiguous copyright violation
Good evening (in my time zone) Jayarava,

Thank you for identifying the now deleted article Edward Conze as an unambiguous copyright violation. I have now deleted it in its entirety, as there was no revision whatsoever in its history that addressed the copyright violation.


 * History of the article
 * It was created on 19:00, March 19, 2004 by with the footnote "Adapted from Sangharakshita, Great Buddhists of the Twentieth Century, with permission"
 * There were about 124 edits on the article, mostly adding maintenance templates or wikilinks to other articles.

Thank you again. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Content of the article
 * The website it was copied from is here, which clearly states "© Sangharakshita 1996".
 * This appears to have been excerpted or posted online about a printed book, "Great Buddhists of the Twentieth Century", old nine digit SNB 0904766802, thirteen digit ISBN 9780-904766-80-6.
 * The content of the now deleted article was a word-for-word cut-and-paste from pages 19 to 21 of that pdf file.
 * Thanks. I have begun a new entry for Edward Conze as he is a major figure in the field of Buddhism Studies. Jayarava (talk) 12:58, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jayarava. I was very new to Wikipedia then.--Shantavira|feed me 13:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * A good outcome here all round. Thank you both again. (As an self-identified Eng Lit nerd, I'm well aware that the 1948 winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature sorta kinda passed off a translation of the Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad as his own work in The Waste Land), but that is a discussion for another day... ) Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Heart Sutra II
Hello Jayarava, I have limited my input to the removal of obvious NPOV problems because this is one of about 2000 Buddhism related articles on my watchlist. The wikipedia habitat differs from the academic scene (one example is WP:OR), please see Expert editors for additional info. In disputes like Nattier/Harada it is often helpful to cite reviews or tertiary sources to determine due weight (WP:DUE). JimRenge (talk) 14:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm quite aware that this is not an academic environment, believe me. Not that I have any special affinity for academia, I'm not an academic and never have been. The trouble is that there is little or no tertiary scholarship on the Heart Sutra. Literally, no Western scholar before me has reviewed Nattier's work - even acknowledgement that her article has been published is grudging. As far as scholars actively researching the text, to my knowledge I'm currently the only one. Matt Orsborn is back working on the Aṣṭasāhasrikā. My published opinion, as the sole representative of Western scholarship who has engaged with Nattier's thesis is that Nattier did not go far enough in stating her case. I've added considerably to the evidence in at least three of my five articles since 2015 - including conclusive proof of the text's Chinese origins in the article just published. But having published articles is no advantage if people refuse to read them or even to acknowledge that they exist. Hakada won't be reviewed in English because he only writes in Japanese and is completely unknown outside Japan. No one cites him on any subject as far as I can tell. Not even the Japanese articles that I have seen in translation mention Hakada. In effect, I am being asked to meet a much higher standard than User: Hanbud is and meanwhile he or she effectively controls the content of the article. Jayarava (talk) 11:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Will Buckingham
Hello, Jayarava,

Thanks for creating Will Buckingham! I edit here too, under the username Eagleash and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Your Heart Sutra article
Not directly related to Wikipedia business, but I read your 2019 article on the history of the Heart Sutra recently. The issue of the production of digests and collections is of interest to me in the context of the development of sutra literature- I don't know if you've had a chance to see some of Anne Blackburn from Cornell's work on 'monastic notebooks' in the Sri Lankan tradition. Not directly related to the history of the Heart Sutra, but I can see a possible allegory of sorts in the story of Xuanzang being taught the Heart Sutra via oral translation. Making digest copies as part of the training of novice monks seems to be a very old translation, and the Khuddakapatha seems to provide an example of such a text being incorporated into the canonical tradition. It seems inevitable that particularly popular or pithy digests might take on a life of their own and become part of popular recitation or liturgical practice. Allegorical interpretations obviously are subject to speculation, but I can see a story like the Xuanzang transmission developing out of an environment where the Heart Sutra had become part of popular oral practice after being excerpted from its sources, but without the specific pedigree that would allow it to be accepted as obviously canonical. Anyhow, just wanted to say that I appreciated your work and share a few stray connections I made. --Spasemunki (talk) 22:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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