User talk:Jmabel/Archive 11

Brain worker
This is the translation that was listed on the talk page: ''For first, I'll write about that I haven't written anything here, on Wiki and for the second I want to show that there is no point in writing anyway. Since human has two brainhalves, one wild and the other sensible, it seems that there is no point in talking about work in this mess. Since the wild half is meant for living in the wild and most of our surroundings are wild, then what is left for the sensible half?'' Bearcat 07:39, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lincei
I noticed your article on the Lincean Academy, and recalled that I had already seen an article under the Italian name, Accademia dei Lincei. I suppose the articles should be merged. / Uppland 13:01, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please review edits
You may not be aware that a separate page covering the region of west Papua has been allowed by John for the last few days - though he did move it to "Western New Guinea", redirect "West New Guinea" to point at it, replace west Papua in article with West New Guinea. None the less a separate page to allow existing text I wrote for 'West Papua' to be used for the region that now covers both West Irian Jaya Province and Papua Province.

As John only edited the region page to prevent the words 'west' & 'Papua' from getting too close together, and left two redundant copies of the otherwise identical text; I have been carefully extracting anything that did not apply to the new Papua Province. That's why some animals had been left in & others removed.

I have also attempted to put an explanatory note at the top of the article (This page is about ...) but John & Wik keep removing them.

As promised, I have been working on getting assistance to resolve the John/Wik/Papua issue. In the meanwhile could you please consider whether your edits are factural or not. My apology if I should have warned you about the content having been moved to West Papua/Western New Guinea'. Thank you.--Daeron 19:24, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree a one word description is less than ideal, but I live in dread of another haranguing; I'll put up with it rather than allow dreadfull things being done, but I don't like being harassed nor others being so. Do you have any idea how long this Requested_moves has been around for? The other thing I've been working on is a suggestion to the AMA group to help obscure articles like West Papua.--Daeron 19:48, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Pashtun
Hello Joe, Thanks for your feedback! And i hope that this is the proper way to reply - i am still somewhat picking my way around here. I will try and put together some information and citations on the subject of Pashtun origins. Might take a bit of time, hopefully not too long. Of course, somebody might change it all back to the "lost tribes" view immediately afterwards :) Kamran 22:58, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Contributing to articles outside your native language
Thanks &mdash; that's what I had in mind, but (I don't know why) I just didn't seem able to get it down. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 23:10, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

cats again
Any particular reason for adding Category:English Civil War to Royalist? It's basically a disambiguation page. The relevant article for the English Civil War is Cavaliers (which, I'm afraid, is barely more than a stub). -- Jmabel | Talk 06:55, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Err, no. It's just the way wikipedia works for me. When I see a page without a category I itch to put it in one. Just happens that the way I got there was due to the civil war. My change was not meant as a definitive category change. I agree it probably is a disambiguation page; perhaps you would like to change it?

Black Jews
I was the person who added the entry on Black Jews -- that you deleted. Indeed, I too wasn't sure if I had put it in the most appropriate place, however, to say that it was giving the subgroup more attention than Sephardim, etc., is to ignore that the preceding text below which I placed it had the usual discussion of Beta Israel, including the derogatory "Falasha." I feel it is extremely important to mention other Jews of color, and in particular African American Jews, whenever Ethiopian Jews are introduced because it is misleading for people to conclude the only Jews of color are Ethiopian.

Perhaps a single line and a link at the place I put it would be more appropriate, with the larger text somewhere else. However, since I am fairly new to Wikipedia and don't want you to erase my work, how about if you do that? Here is the text you deleted:

In 1995, a group of Jews of color from the United States and abroad met in Chicago to form the Alliance of Black Jews, estimating black Jews in the United States to number about 200,000, or about three percent of the American Jewish population. The figure, which included "black Hebrew" and "Israelite" congregations not necessarily recognized by mainstream Judaism, and also black Reform, Conservation, Orthodox and Reconstructionist Jews by birth or conversion, was based in part on the Jewish Population Study that gave various figures ranging from 120,000 to 260,000. Some prominent Black Jews are named in the list of Black Jews.

(In deleting it, you wrote:)

Inclusion of this would give more space to discussion in this article of Jews of color in the United States than we give to Ashkenazim or Sephardim. This may well belong somewhere in Wikipedia (although I'd sure like to see a citation), but not here. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:19, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)


 * This was put here anonymously so I have no way to reply. Please open an account if you want a dialogue. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:59, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

One of the things I found intriguing about Wikipedia was that it allowed you to post without signing up. However, since I guess I'm becoming a part of this community, I have done so. Username is robinbirk


 * If you are reading this... The first thing I would do is to create an article on Alliance of Black Jews, where you can reasonably go on at great length. You don't mention what article you put this in, and I don't recall. Given, however, that they are only 3% of even American Jews, if it was in "Jew" it was, indeed, inappropriate. It would be appropriate in "Jewish_American". I will also reply on your page. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:10, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll put it there (later, as I too am going out). At some point, however, I think the original area (I'll find it later) that I spoke of that had the potentially misinforming entry vis-a-vis Ethiopian Jews should be edited. robinbirk

Dubious categorization
In what sense is Image:Burning of Sodomites.jpg "gay art"? That seems to me like calling a picture of a lynching "African American art". -- Jmabel | Talk 06:50, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually lynching is not an uncommon theme in African American art (see here). Likewise, depictions of gays being persecuted is not an uncommon theme in gay art -- for instance, not long ago the National Holocaust Museum showed an exhibit featuring artwork from gay holocaust survivors. Of course, you're more than welcome to remove the drawing from the category if you feel strongly or to edit the definition I supplied for gay art in Category:Gay art -- this is after all a fairly nebulous category. Take care. -- Queerudite 12:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

museums
Hi J,

I am resting my hands right now so limiting typing. :( I will collaborate on museums when I'm sure they're healthy enough to handle it. :(

DanKeshet 21:10, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

SoD0My
Hey, Joe. I rewrote the lead, taking into account your criticism of POV. Explaining that the term rests upon a religious understanding of sex is not IMHO POV. Regards-==SV 02:02, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Smoosh
Hey there. Nice smoosh info.

FYI I've contacted the record label and asked for a picture of the band. Sveden 19:23, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Edgar Nixon
I think the article is adequate now. You be the judge whether the Request for Expansion stands. -- Italo Svevo 00:57, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi, Thanks for spotting that old request. I'd completely forgotten about it. --Smack (talk) 04:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Abdication
Whoops, the Act was meant to be 1936 not 1963. That'll teach me never to edit articles late at night! Chris Glew 14:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Translation request
I'm claiming de:Sankt Petersburg to en:Saint Petersburg in WP:TIE /* German-to-English */ - more information to be merged in. -Wikibob | Talk 22:35, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

Jewish American
Hi Joe. You might be interested in the debate/edit war going on at Jewish American, and slipping over somewhat into Jew. Jayjg (talk) 21:38, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ben Bolt
do you think the cleanup notice on Ben Bolt is still necessary? it may be a little praising, but I don't think that's a reason to have the cleanup notice still - Christopher Welsh 05:13, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nihilartikel
No, I don't have a reference, and no, I am not a Joyce expert.

However, I CAN say that I was exposed to the idea that "quark" was a typo in a printed source before I'd even read Portrait of the Artist. But more importantly, some years later, I'd heard the idea agreed to by a student who wrote their Master's Thesis on Ulysses. Since that time, I had thought that this interpretation was considered, if not accepted, by the mainstream of Joycean scholars. While an internet search conducted in response to your objection found nothing that specifically calls the word a typo, plenty call it a nonsense word. I can understand why the interpretation that Joyce had composed intending that "K" has found adherents; it is the rhyme with bark and Mark. However, I don't think that the internal rhyme created is essential to a reading of the segment; it would read as well if "quark" were rendered "quart"; Gell-Man's beer hall interpretation to support his pronunciation is justified, I think. Further, it is quite established that Joyce was quite amenable to allowing the residue of accident to be preserved in his manuscript. And there I can reference the well-known occurence that during the dictation of Finnegans a visitor had knocked on Joyce's door, to which he had replied "come in." These words were immediately included by his stenographer; thereupon, he looked towards Joyce for approval of the words' immediate deletion. Joyce smirked and told the stenographer to let the words stand. Given that, and given that there is considerable doubt that Joyce was aware of the Middle English form at one time meaning "to caw," and given that the most common interpretation of "quark" is that it was merely a mispronunciation of "quart" by a drunken pubgoer, I don't think that my statement in what after all is not an article on Joyce, but rather on words, should be dismissed out of hand simply because I am not an expert on Joyce, and can't give you a scholarly citation off the top of my head. However, if you feel so strongly about it that you feel you must delete it, go ahead; I am not expert enough in Joyce write the persuasive paper necessary, nor do I in any event wish to participate in an edit war.

Rastro 01:05, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Revert if that is what you think; I believe though again am unwilling to fight over it that a scholarly citation is not required where I had placed the comment. AND that the comment is justifiable given the nature of Joyce's work. I think that Muster "does" in fact convey the nature of the drunken sot in the way that quark is to my mind only reputed to. I will say that I disagree, and without rearranging my life, I will try to find the printed source I remember. I will also ask your credentials in Joycean study. . ..

Rastro 02:05, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

I do find it easier to defer given your capacity regarding Finnegans.

Rastro 03:08, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

NAACP
Not much time today, but I'll take a look at it, certainly. :-) Peace. deeceevoice 08:07, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

reply to your message
yes, I wrote that message, but I moved it to a different article because I didn't think that anyone checked that article (seeing the dates of the last question). I just moved it to the article: Islam. Green789 15:25, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Spanish Translation of the Week
I'm interested in reviving Spanish Translation of the Week, but do you think there are enough interested and motivated people to keep it going? &mdash; J3ff 05:21, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll ask around to see if anyone is interested. Do you know of any Wikipedians who speak (or read) Spanish that might be interested? &mdash; J3ff 05:44, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll start with the people who listed themselves on the Spanish Translation of the Week page. &mdash; J3ff 05:45, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yiddish/Jewish King Lear
I just changed it to match the new article about it, after seeing it on the front page (the "Did you know?" section) and then clicking on the author's name and saw that it wasn't linked to the work (it was linking just to the "King Lear" section). So... if you want to change it, don't let me stop you! I claim total ignorance, I was just going for consistency! ;-) --Fastfission 04:45, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi, I have just translated Cyclisme urbain into English. I have merged it with the original contents of the article. You may wish to have a look at the talk page there as well. Regards, Smoddy (t) (e) 15:58, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * And you have evidently seen the quality of my typing... Smoddy (t) (e) 17:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * You say it reads like an obvious translation... interestingly, quite a few of the bits you changed were an interpretation, rather than a translation. Makes me wonder about my English.  Cheers for the copyedit.  Smoddy (t) (e) 18:49, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Exilarch
I was mostly just converting Cleanup listings into tags...you're right. On a second reading, the links in the first sentence can probably provide plenty of context for readers unfamiliar with the subject. Thanks for your prompt attention, though. 8) -- Beland 04:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Seattle census
Unfortunatly I have put the updated census numbers under the 2000 census listing for Seattle. Thank you for correcting my error--David Foster 07:17, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

your asstance, please
Hi, if you have a moment, could you lend at Alberto Fujimori? There are a couple of Fujimoristas, users Messhermit and HappyApple, who I feel are attempting to whitewash various aspects of AF's presidency. On the Talk page, I have requested citations in support for various of Messhermit's allegations but none have been forthcoming and I feel I am being drawn into an edit war. Thanks, -- Viajero 16:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I hear you. I added some text on his Sept 16 2000 call for elections. Much of the rest appears to me to be a descent in to Peruvian partisan politics. Viajero 19:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your help. I admire your diligence. -- Viajero 03:21, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Help contribute to Consensus
Thanks for your comments at the pump about consensus decision making. I've noticed that some people have already been working on Consensus. I think the page needs to be expanded and then linked all over. I hope you can contribute. --Samuel Wantman 04:41, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok
Ok, perhaps I was being too hasty. I will review the alternatives. In the meantime, could you revert this edit for me, provided of course you agree? Thanks. -- Viajero 20:40, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/Messhermit: Care to weigh in? Feel change/add/delete anything as you see fit. -- Viajero 23:04, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cervantes award
Dear Jmabel: Hi! About the Cervantes award in the page about the important Cuban writer, I thought it would be interesting to some that Juan Carlos of Spain gave it to him, because #1 I suspect the vast majority of people dont even know what the Cervantes award is in the first place, and #2, not everyonie gets to meet a king.

Now, here's a little tidbit for your amusement: I met both Queen Noor of Jordan and Princess Anne of England, both times looking for autographs. While Queen Noor granted my wish (King Hussein always encouraged his family to sign for the commoners because, I suppose, he cherished the love they got from us), Princess Anne gave me the royal no! Since I had a copy of The Arizona Republic with her on the cover in my hand; security thought I was gonna offer it to her as a present, so they let me pass..lol

I don't know. I guess that whether we leave the comment on Juan Carlos or not is a matter of opinion. To me, it results interesting to note when people have met royalty in person.

Thanks, and God bless you! Sincerely yours, "Antonio Martin the first of Wikilandia (lol, I wish!) Martin"

As far as the Portuguese is concerned, the article Negro seems ok. As for the other cultures i really cant judge. Cheers, muriel@pt 19:43, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I will not initiate a RfC against you
The fact that you acknoledge that the word "Terrorism" was present in the West Bank article and that you did not notice how it was being use, I will take as a steep toward ending this non-sence. I used that argument becouse the fact that you said that that word should be avoid, and that you have not protested against it use. As in the title, I will not seek a RfC against you, and I will deleted any accusation with this argument.

I hope that all this mess can be resolve. Messhermit 00:25, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Can you eliminate those remarks about the controversy around the West Bank? I'm already on the process of retraacting any argument against your person. Also, please take look at the West Bank article, I don't know who is putting the Word "terrorist" once again. thanks. Messhermit 01:21, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I must say that the only thing that I object regarding "Amnistia Internacional" is the fact that at least the Page that User:Viajero is using is very controvertial. How can a Page be NPOV if it has as a motto in its top '''

Fujimori: ¡¡ La Justicia Peruana te reclama  !!''' ?. Messhermit 05:27, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, regarding the fact that I started to erase some of my comments and yours, I made that Thinking that it was the way to get them out of the topic. Please, there is a paragraph that said "what Messhermit" deleted. I would like you to scracht it too. Almost all my remarks regarding you have been done so, And I don't think that leaving them is appropiate. It will appear that I have not retracted. Messhermit 05:27, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seattle FAC
We discussed renominating Seattle, Washington at the last meetup - anyway, I went ahead and did it. If you want to join in, see Featured article candidates/Seattle. --Michael Snow 17:38, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hispania
Con gusto le doy la información que me ha pedido:

Estrabón (Strabon) . Geographiká. Libro III, Iberia. Escrito entre los años 29 y 7 adC y retocada en el 18 de nuestra era.

La edición más prestigiosa y más en uso:
 * C. Müller, en París. Finales del siglo XIX. Un volumen a 2 columnas, griego y latín.

La traducción al francés (la mejor según se cree):
 * Tardieu, París 1886

La traducción al ingés (la mejor según se cree):
 * H.L.Jones, con texto griego. Londres-Nueva York, 1917-1932

Ptolemaios (astrónomo griego del siglo II). Geographiké Hyphaégesis, tablas geográficas (es un indicatorio geográfico o guía geográfica).

Pacato, retórico galo que dirigió un panegírico sobre Hispania al emperador Teodosio en el año 389 y que éste leyó ante el Senado.

Pablo Orosio (390-418) historiador, discípulo de San Agustín y autor de “Historiae adversus paganus”, la primera Historia Universal cristiana, y de “Hispania Universa”, guía histórica traducida al anglo-sajón por Alfredo el Grande y traducida al árabe por Abderramán III.

Lucio Anneo Floro (entre los siglos I y II). “Compendio de la historia romana” y "Epítome de la Historia de Tito Livio". Los textos de Tito Livio a este respecto se han perdido, pero Floro los llegó a leer.

Trogo Pompeyo. Se cree que fue un galo con ciudadanía romana. “Historia universal” escrita en latín en los tiempos de Augusto.

Tito Livio (59 adC.-17 ddC.). “Ab urbe condita” libri CXLII De sobra conocido este autor.

Saludos, es:Usuario Discusión:Lourdes Cardenal

Jmabel dice: Queda un problema pequeña. El artículo español, dice que Lucio Anneo Floro esribió que "La nación hispana... [era]... mal jerarquizado." No conozco la última palabra. La etimología está bastante clara, pero ¿qué, exactamente, significa" ¿"Mal organizado"? ¿Que faltaban líderes capaces? ¿Que faltaban una jerarquia efectica? o cual?


 * El sentido que da Floro es el de mal organizado, cada pueblo o cada tribu tenía su propia organización, pero como nación no tenían ningún tipo de organización con una jerarquía que les uniera. ¿Me he expresado bien? Gracias.

Saludos, es:Usuario Discusión:Lourdes Cardenal

Village_pump_%28policy%29: Care to weigh in? -- Viajero 14:30, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)