User talk:Jmabel/Archive 32

Two votes for you
Hi Joe: Please see votes at Articles for deletion/Criticism of the Bible and Articles for deletion/Inconsistencies in the Bible. Best wishes, IZAK 12:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Propaganda Due & Ceaucescu membership
It seems that Ceaucescu was a member of Propaganda Due masonic lodge, involved in quite a few terrorist acts. Maybe you'll want to have a look, and translate any info about that given by the reference. Santa Sangre

For starters, citation:


 * Viorel Patrichi General Nicolae PLESITA: „Ceausescu a fost imbrobodit de masonerie prin Propaganda Due“, ("Ceauşescu was tied to (alternately:duped by) Freemasonry through Propaganda Due"), Lumea, 2000/nr. 4.

I'll see what I can do on this when I get some time. This is long and someone else may have more time than I to work on it. - Jmabel | Talk 19:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

There is just a link toward this source, pointing to a relationship between Ceaucescu and P2, but it is not explained in the article itself. Thks for any help of all kinds - for the time being, i'll just put a cautious note on P2 refering to the article, as to incite toward better verification and inclusion. Santa Sangre

- Starting translation of http://www.lumeam.ro/nr4_2000/politica.html; help would be welcome, there's a reason I only claim "ro-2" on my user page. This is not an easy text, so I might have misunderstood any one thing, but I think I have it basically right:

Politics and secret services

General Nicolae PLESITA "Ceauşescu was tied to Freemasonry through Propaganda Due"

The political algorithm is not that which was sought in the name of the conducator in the Army, Secret Services, Church and School Nothing moves in the world without the involvement of the Masons Licio Gelli was both Mason and mafioso

For whom did you have the deepest gratitude? For Constantin Daicoviciu. He gave me the most significant patriotic education. In 1940, after the Vienna Diktat, Ciano came from Rome, sent by Mussolini to see how to apply raptul (literally: "the rape") in favor of Hungary. Daicoviciu and Hateganu, rectors of the Faculty of Medicine in Cluj, together with other young intellectuals, gathered by the statue of the she-wolf in the plaza and put there a slogan in the speech of the Banat: Duce, duce, ia-t cataua si t-o...!. [I think there is a pun here on Il Duce (Mussolini) and duce which can variously mean "to take", "to leave", or "to resist", but I'm lost here] He had looked for (I-au cautat, I might have misunderstood that) Horthyists above all. Daicoviciu fled to Sibiu, where he remained until the end of the war.

In 1945, after the entry of the Russians into Cluj, Horthyists and all collaborationists were co-opted into all leadership functions. In the name of "popular democracy"!

Political police I sent a message to President Emil Constantinescu. I saw him talking about Securitate, as I (they) hadn't heard anyone say in a long time. Not even Ticu Dumitrescu [head of the National Council for the Study of former Securitate] was so vehement and so wrong. The Archives are full of the names of ţaraniştilor [adherents of the Peasant Party] and liberals. Emil Constantinescu sustains that Securitate still today represents a great danger, that reforms cannot be realized because of Securitate people. After ten years, Securitatea is guilty of other gaffes. Beginning in the 1970s, Securitate acted - in various forms - against the totalitarian, utopian and anachronistic regime. Sure, the special services weren't disidents and didn't form a conspiracy, but there were works of resistance, they hadn't exactly applied "invaluable indications" [that's literal, but I have no idea what it means], as I had also proceded in the Jiu Valley. At times, they even acted frontally.

Does Securitate still exist? What Securitate? Like the detractors say? There's always been political police, and technical police, but not in the pure state. If you pursue political adversaries to discredit them politically, then you have political police. Confratii mei au valizele pregatite, ca toate catanele, si eu ii chem pe toti sa mergem la Cotroceni My confrères had valises prepared, with all catanele[I don't know this word], if I called on them all to go to Cotroceni.

&hellip;This goes on at great length; cutting to the relevant passage:

Oculta '''It has been affirmed that Masonry overthrew Ceauşescu. Is it true?''' Yes. There has never existed nor will exist anything in the world without the involvement of the Masons. Masoneria actioneaza insa conjunctural. [I'm not confident in translating that: I get "Masonry acts bu conjuncturally", and I'm not sure I have the precise sense of that]. There is a big similarity between special services and Masonry. Were there Masons in the secret services? There were and one would not rule out that there are now. Their activities are not always hidden. They have the obiective of a universal republic. We have as a scope the national state. Here they won't keep interfering if we become an irreconcilable adversary. Masons helped the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and they also contributed to the liquidation of communism when that regime obtained nationalist characteristics. Was Ceauşescu a Mason? I didn't know Licio Gelli. But I know the works... Indirectly, Masonry was heavily tied to Ceauşescu through Propaganda Due. -

My reaction to all this? The former Securitate general and foreign intelligence service chief, one of the "red fascists" (my view) who turned Communism into a form of Romanian ultra-nationalism, believes in a grand Masonic conspiracy. Keep in mind that this is the former employer of Carlos the Jackal, who, according to Arnaud de Borchgrave (admittedly, not an unimpeachable source himself) still "incite[s] former subordinates to assassinate the 'traitors who defected to the enemy.'" I, for one, would give him no more credence than when he was in Ceauşescu's employ. - Jmabel | Talk 19:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your help! I gather that "invaluable indications" is a governmental technical term (a bit like a fatwa, if you excuse the apples & banana comparison or whatever!); and I assume that "Masoneria actioneaza insa conjunctural" means that masonry, like intelligence agencies, act in the "conjuncture". It doesn't seem like this word is often used in English, but it's common in Marxism as opposed to structural (conjunctural causes vs. structural causes). Conjuncture is related to an event and to the impossibility of planning it. For example, the spark which lights a revolution is always conjunctural: this or this shooting may start it. But the deep causes between it are structural: the revolution would have happened anyway, if not in 1905, than in 1917. See this example taken from the Analytical marxism entry:


 * "According to this view, analytical Marxism wrongly characterises intellectual activity as occurring in isolation from the struggles constitutive of its social and political conjuncture, and at the same time does little to intervene in that conjuncture."


 * Henceforth, I gather that "conjunctural" here means that masonry, as intelligence agencies, is not tied down by their ideological opinions, and often let those aside to practice "realpolitik", arguing that specific historic conjuncture gives no choice than to ally with sworn enemies. Ceaucescu's alleged involvement with P2 is certainly a surprise for me, but this is easily explainable by my lack of knowledge concerning him. However, Licio Gelli is known to be a man with connections crossing the whole political board, and, underneath the West/East opposition of the Cold War, we can be fairly sure that the intelligence & underground world have been in contact together, one way or another. Furthermore, it probably comes as no great surprise to neither of us that "red fascists" could ally themselves, one way or the other, with plain old-fashioned neofascists.


 * Reading your translation, I also agree with you that Nicolae PLESITA doubtlessly is one of those anti-mason conspiracy theorists commonly found among fascists (by the way, if he was head of Securitate, maybe we could include his name in the Securitate entry?) However, my attention was brought to this article because of the numerous references to Licio Gelli, headmaster of P2, and this is no conspiracy theory (Licio Gelli is, as of 2006, under investigation for allegations of involvement in the murder of Roberto Calvi, in charge of the Banco Ambrosiano which krached early 1980s in very suspicious circumstances...) Henceforth, notwithstanding Plesita's personal views, I do think that the article deserves a cautious "by the way" mention in the P2 article, until someone can help us complete the picture (there are other occurences of Gelli further on, but I'm already very grateful to you for this job! leave it to somebody who wants to work on P2 entry :). This is the strange things about sources from intelligence agencies: working in this world of continuous duplicity one wonders if they still maintain some links with their respective ideology (and realpolitik is also an ideology), or if they've abandonned any political ideals to concern themselves with money, domination & others... However, in their multiple lies and half-truths, they often give some real truth. And these doubtful sources (doubtful because they come from such people) are more often than not the only sources we have. To put it in other words: I am no advocate of conspiracy theories, which I think simplists (as if some guy or group could keep control of what's happening!), but I do acknowledge the existence of intelligence agencies, cults, P2, mafia, and rather disturbing relationships between all those underground actors of politics. The largest mistake these people make (and this remind me of a film on the STASI and its lack of understanding the fall of the Berlin Wall): they think that the world works according to their conspiracy plots, while the huge majority of people are not conspiracists, do not want such conspiracies, and acts because they believe in certain things, are hungry or simply are in bad mood. Conjuncture is such a thing: all the unexplainable tiny causes which at the end, create a political event, with which these intelligence agencies must deal with, but which they haven't create all by themselves. Well, I got a bit carried away!... Cheers anyway! Santa Sangre 20:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll be transfering your translation at Propaganda Due talk page in order to let others complete it, if you don't mind? (I'm waiting for your response before). Santa Sangre 20:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * All right. Actually, if you really don't mind, I would be interested by the last passages were Licio Gelli is named, mainly the paragraph "Dupa 1990, s-au inchis dosarele masonilor" at the end (finishing at "E cea mai calificata lupta de pe frontul invizibil.", just before the questions about "folkloric variances" and Pekin, Pragua and 1848, and the last paragraph "Pacepa l-a adus pe masonul Licio Gelli". If it really does seem to be only anti-masonic crap, don't bother, but I'm interested by any possible visits, displacements, meetings, etc. Again, thanks! Santa Sangre

Freem@sonry
I hope the additions I have made will overcome your scepticism!(Harrypotter 23:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Pattern
Yes, I know just the pattern you mean, and yes, it leaves few alternatives for other editors. user:Jacrosse has been asked by me and other editors to please be more communicative. This predates the Paleocon article and extends across his extensive contributions to political articles. -Will Beback 06:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You may want to skim over Talk:Paleoconservatism and seq. material. user:Jacrosse apparently believes that having racist beliefs is incompatible with being a paleoconservative. Since MacDonald is not politically active, his exact political camp is perhaps not important. To the extent that paleoconservatism is a cultural movement, he might belong. I guess it depends on how Occidental Quarterly is deemed. They call themselves a third branch of conservatism, which they don't name but which others politely call "nationalism". As for the exact matter of calling MacDonald a "paleoconservative", we can do two things. First, we can find references to notable critics using that label. Second, we can make sure that our summary of his expressed opinions includes those that would lead one to believe that the label applies. Perhaps one of the difficulties with MacDonald as a subject is that his works are sometimes cited by groups with whom he does not necessarily agree. -Will Beback 07:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Affirmative action in Belgium
Could you please provide a citation for this claim? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 05:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:1652186"

Here it is:. I've added it to the article as well. I didn't find anything in English, but putting it through a web-based translator should be sufficient to check the content. 1652186 17:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

1.0 Collaboration of the Week
Hi, I noticed you signed up as a member of the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. Recently, a 1.0 Collaboration of the Week was created to work on essential topics that are in need of improvement, which will ultimately go in a release version of Wikipedia. You can help by voting, contributing to an article, or simply making a comment. Thank you for your support. :) Gflores Talk 08:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Redid the Catalan people page
Greetings Jmabel. I wanted the input of as many people as possible on the Catalan people page who have shown some interest in the past so I was just dropping you a line. Thanks. Tombseye 19:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

CfD: Category:Wikipedian Chazanim
Hi Joe: Can you believe this: Category:Wikipedian Chazanim ? I have thus nominated it for deletion, see Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 5. Thanks. IZAK 20:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright and sourcing
Hi there, you will have noticed that Image:Gestapo anti-gay telex.jpg (and Image:Genehmigung.jpg) are now tagged PD-inelegible. This ought to fly with German copyright law - see the image description page for the telex for the reasoning.

I'm just griping here a little you said on WP:PUI "So are you saying that our … article on Paragraph 175 cannot reproduce a telex … because … it is copyrighted by the Gestapo and we don't have their permission to use it?" Images are useful, yet so many of those aren't properly attributed, and we can't really claim fair use unless we know what is on the picture and who took it. (The telex that you uploaded is actually sourced, so it's just me moaning about the disgraceful state of image copyright at .en.wikipedia. The guys at .de.wikipedia are better in control.) Pilatus 02:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

KDRGibby
Can you please evaluate KDRGibby's latest additions to gift economy as I know you are knowledgable in this area and have maintained the article before. He asserts that economist Milton Friedman's arguments against alternatives to free market economics applies as "criticism" of a gift economy as there is no incentive, despite the fact that a gift economics applies in limited concepts between individuals (ie. mixed economy) and that such incentives exist, moderately, as you know. He also asserts that some pamphlet/online book advocating privatisation of everything that doesn't deal with gift economics per se applies in this sense. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 04:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry you are unable to see the connection, but I'm willing to bet you don't want to. The participatory economic arrangement may discuss how it is different than other socialist and communist market alternatives but Friedman and other free market economists state that if you eliminate certain functions from the market system the system will not work well if at all.

For example.

Free Market must have A, B, C to work. And A, B, C, D to work great.

Communism, must eliminate A, B, C, and introduce D, E, F, G

Socialism, must eliminate, A, B, and keep C, D, and introduce E, F

Parecon must eliminate A but Keep B, C, D and introduce Z.

Free market critics will say that Socialism, Communism and Parecon have eliminated one of the primary variables in making an economy work. Therefore it won't work.

If you eliminate wages, or replace wages with credit based on effort and sacrifise you get roughly the same results= very little incentive to work, work hard, innovate, be effecient, work to become a doctor, lawyer, etc etc etc.

I hope this helps you understand how the market based criticism of parecon does not have to be specifically critical of parecon, because to free market people, it is really no different because it eliminates the very basic things that make an economy work just like every other market alternative.

(Gibby 18:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC))

The criticism of market oriented economics is already out there, I have no problem with it being out there, I even encourage it. The criticism and cross criticism is already occuring all over the place. I do not find your excuse to be very legit. (Gibby 19:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC))

Published
You wrote on Jimbo's talkpage that you have published work of your own. Was it literature? --Candide, or Optimism 05:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I replied on my talkpage to keep the discussion gathered in one place. --Candide, or Optimism 06:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The Nation
Thanks for your response to the RfC. Although most of those of commented oppose Jtdirl's move, he doesn't seem to be communicating, except to revert any attempt to implement the majority view. Neither he nor anyone else has voiced objection to my suggestion that the matter be taken up at Requested moves. I don't want to list it there now, though, because then he'll claim that he must prevail unless there's a consensus against him. Would you be willing to restore the situation that existed for two years without squabble? That means moving The Nation (U.S. periodical) back to The Nation. It already has a note at the top linking to the dab page (a link that makes no sense now, of course). As soon as you do that, I'll put it on W:RM, "requesting" Jtdirl's change and opposing my own suggestion. Otherwise, it seems we'll just go on with the reverts. Thanks! JamesMLane t c 06:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand your point, but I think setting the articles correctly will make Wikipedia more user-friendly by saving many readers from going through the dab page. JamesMLane t c 08:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The issue of what article should be at this title has been placed on Requested moves. You can offer your vote and comment here: Talk:The Nation. JamesMLane t c 06:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Shining Path
Thanks for the comments on Shining Path. I am totally unfamiliar with wikipedia citation guidelines, so I'm sure I didn't do a very good job with it. You seem to have a very good handle on Cite.php, so if you see any mistakes I made, correct away. I'd really like to make that article a lot better. I've read a lot of books and articles on the Shining Path, probaby all that are available in English, and I'd be nice to use them to add citations to the article. I think that it is good as is, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --Descendall 12:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Paul Bern
The protected version does represent consensus, thanks for checking. -Drdisque 07:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The proposed deletion process and WP:PNT
It would be great if you could comment on my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English concerning a possible use of the new prod procedure for deletion. It is possible that it is too early for this idea, and that using AfD still might give better results (especially if articles are AfD'd directly after midnight server time and come out at the top :-) ). However, prod seems to be made for exactly this situation of "delete unless somebody comes and works on this". Kusma (討論) 15:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I got a little carried away in my enthusiasm for WP:PROD. This might be a good idea, but not for right now: your concern about having to watch a different process is valid. Thank you for commenting, Kusma (討論) 02:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

German Wikipedians' noticeboard
Greetings, Joe! Although I don't think you often contribute to German-related topics, I felt it would be worthwhile to inform you of the German Wikipedians' noticeboard, in case you would like to use it as a resource in the future. Best wishes! Olessi 01:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

"queer"?
Hi Joe: I came across this: List of Jewish American social and political scientists, and I noticed that a couple of people on it are marked as "queer theorist" ... what's that all about? There may be more of this, as someone has created a whole slew of small "lists of American Jews" which I'm now looking over. Is it the way the British refer to homosexuals? I dunno. Is it "politically correct" to call people "queer anything" on Wikipedia ? Thanks. IZAK 14:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Queer theory will probably help, and would be the proper link for that term (I'll link it), though I don't think our article on the topic is notably good. In particular, it fails to really get into why queer theory is called what it is. It is a conscious reappropriation of a term that was, for at least a century or so, used as an insulting term. Another reappropriation of the same term is the slogan "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" or the organization Queer Nation. In this case, it is the term used by people in the field, definitely the right term for these two people. Hope that helps; if not, please reply on my talk page & I'll try to explain further. - Jmabel | Talk 16:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Joe: Thanks for the information. Best wishes, IZAK 12:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Fiddler on the Roof
You fixed "subtle vandalism" in the transposition of two letters in Anatevka; it's not clear from your edit sum who did this. Just like to say: it wasn't me! John Reid 17:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Clearly. See my explanation at User_talk:John_Reid; I hadn't worked out the details of the history until now. - Jmabel | Talk 18:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Protocols of the Elder of Zion FAC
I nominated Protocols of the Elders of Zion for FAC status -- please chime in. --Goodoldpolonius2 18:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you revisit this? The article is much improved. --Goodoldpolonius2 15:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Peekchers
I'm no professional photographer, sorry. Image:Buenos Aires - Esquina Homero Manzi - P2070091.JPG, Image:Buenos Aires - Esquina Homero Manzi - P2070092.JPG, and Image:Buenos Aires - Esquina Homero Manzi - P2070093.JPG. Take care, Mariano (t/c) 18:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic German
Hi Jmabel. I recently did a huge reword of Ethnic German, and since you work a good deal with Romania and Eastern Europe articles, so I was wondering if you'd care to look it over real quick for accuracy and NPOV, and use your expertise to link to any articles you feel are relevant, etc. Thanks! Adam Mathias 22:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It looks good to me!  Adam Mathias 06:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Secular Jewish culture
Hi. I'm sorry that the citations to my additions were a mess. Next time I'll follow the same format as the notes that you corrected yesterday. Thanks and shalom. Yid613 07:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

New Template:Juddom
Hi Joe: Please see the newly-proposed Template:Juddom which strikes me as odd and redundent for now. Please add your views at Template talk:Juddom. Thanks. IZAK 14:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Next gen gaming
Since you are an admin, could you please go over to this page. I've listed it for speedy deletion, but in the meantime it's being used to list a whole host of personal attacks by various anon users. I'd appreciate if you could either fulfill the speedy delete, or at least semi-protect it if it's not actually speedy-able. Thanks. Fightindaman 03:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Jewish States for deletion
Hi Joe: Please see Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 14. Thank you. IZAK 11:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Chabad link in Minyan Article
Hello, Joe, I would appreciate your comments/opinions in the debate I am having with Eliezer here: Talk:Minyan. Thank you. -- Avi 17:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see Avi also contacted you about this... IZAK 21:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Linking to Chabad...
Hello Joe: Since you also once had an issue with this, see the discussion at Talk:Minyan. Thanks IZAK 21:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Magyarization
Could you please take a look at my edits in Magyarization, I'd apreciate your comments. Dmaftei 20:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Wesleyan, Theater, Jorge Luis Borges
I realize that you're in Seattle, but I thought that you might be interested to know that this April, Wesleyan is producing a senior thesis play based on the stories of Jorge Luis Borges, called "Labyrinths." Squigish 23:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Neoconservatism mediation request
You are, or were at some point, involved in editing the neoconservatism article. Due to Jacrosse's continued inability to dialogue, I'm requesting mediation. I thought you would want to know this. Hydriotaphia 05:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I wasn't planning on asking you; I was, as you suggest, planning on filing a mediation request with the Committee. When I have time to file such a request&mdash;it takes a surprisingly long time!&mdash;I'll do so. Thanks again. Hydriotaphia 19:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request is here. Hydriotaphia 22:44, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Yiddish Wikipedia support
please visit us and vote on putting up statistics to help the growth of Yiddish Wikipedia. thanks--71.247.152.36 13:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This gives me no idea where to vote, nor on what. - Jmabel | Talk 16:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Pinochet
Sorry I didn't get back earlier. As you may surmise, I'm not active here, and I may not ever be again. Right now I'm consumed with the ArbComm case on the time I do spend here, but I can take a look if I get the chance and the debate is still ongoing. Best, Very Verily 03:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe
Hi Joe, I don't know if you noticed I answered your question about Arabu' et al., check out Talk:Music of Romania. Cheers. — Adi Japan ☎  06:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

List of notable American liberals
I'd like to put a cleanup tag on this, so people will work on defining it and making it more encyclopedia-worthy. Right now it just kinda... stinks. What are the exact criteria for having these people here? I just don't like the raw, rather weakly defind list of living people floating about, and opinions vary wildly sometimes over what a "liberal" is.

I saw your name there and was hoping you could suggest how I could help clean this one up. WP:NOT, item 2 might even give grounds for deletion, but I think it would survive an AfD. I don't know for sure. Just a newby-type looking for advice. --SpencerTC 00:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Now I can see you guys have already been debating it on the talk page. If others are already dealing with this issue, then you can jsut ignore this message. --SpencerTC 00:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Judeofascism
Hi Joe: Please see Deletion review. Thank you. IZAK 06:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar
Ah, no matter. As long as you have it. And as for the "few too many", well, the Kindness Campaign might have something to do with that, probably. - The Great Gavini "twinkle, twinkle, little Barnstar..." 18:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

List of Messianic Jewish Organizations
Hi Joe: Please see Articles for deletion/List of Messianic Jewish Organizations. Thanks, IZAK 10:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Rjensen
Can you please give me some help? You, and some other users have been having trouble with Rjensen and now he's causing more problems. See User_talk:Markles.&mdash;Mark Adler (markles)  13:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Not In Our Name
Hi there, just wanted to thank you for your help last year when I stumbled upon the world of editing wikipedia. Two hard drives later, I'm finally able to check back in. Happy year of the dog, it is to be auspicious for change (though, as I said at a recent rally another org put together, _we_ must make it so). Best, Aimara 13:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe!
Joe, I left you a note on the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Talk page. Didn't want you to miss it (it may not be on your watch list). Thanks. Dr. Dan 23:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)