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Amarcord
Hi. I notice that you like synopsis instead of plot. The norm according to WP:FILM is plot. As such, I'll be changing that back. I realize that you've worked on the article in the past, but they try to tell me here at Wiki that keeping the article uniform, at least as far as headings and section location are concerned is most important. The changes I made earlier were made because there were lots of NPOV in it. Any concerns, let me know! Best Luigibob (talk) 22:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Calvino
Thanks for the incredible work at Italo Calvino! I just wanted to point out my comment in this thread, in case you hadn't seen it: Talk:Italo Calvino. If you have access to a good listing, I'm very curious as to who all has translated Calvino into English. Thanks again :) -- Quiddity (talk) 04:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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grazie
Thanks for self correcting. It's kind of funny that this came up because I had just been double checking that Wikipedia had it right. It's peculiar that La Strada won in 56 for a film from 54. Was it a 55 release in the states? --Ring Cinema (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making a point that deserves clarification. La Strada was first released in the US on July 16, 1956 (A.H. Weiler's favourable New York Times review was published the day after). The confusion about Oscar dates (and it has confused several very serious Fellini scholars) appears based on the fact that La Strada won the 1956 Best Foreign Language Film but the actual Oscar ceremony occurred on March 27, 1957. This explains why Imdb (not always reliable) cites 1957 as the Oscar date along with many other scholarly sources. One way to explain this discrepancy is to reason that La Strada won the Oscar technically in 1956 while the Oscar ceremony itself occurred in 1957. This applies to Fellini's Nights of Cabiria as well: it won in 1957 but the Oscar was given out in 1958 (again, Imdb cites 1958 along with other scholarly sources). All rather maddening but at least some sense has been made out of a small mess thanks to your sharp eye. Best ---Jumbolino (talk) 12:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Apropos Hans Berger
Hans Berger was a member of the SS. One can read his willingness to work together with the SS hygienist Karl Astel by looking at the quotation from his letter. Karl Astel by the way enforced strictly racial guidelines (he also played an important role in the so-called Aryan certificate). So, in which way is the mentioned source a "verifiable ... source" – based on what facts from primary sources was the SS member Berger "opposed to the state"? How can you think that this is not dubious? Sincerely, 217.236.175.231 (talk) 22:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC) PS If you judge the sentence a conjecture which I added and which – as I traced back – has been there for a long time (next to adjacent statements inserted by German Wikipedia authors who provided sources (goodwill ... right?), well, then you can erase a high percentage of the whole English article, naming it a conjecture. And why call it innuendo? Berger retired at the regular age – there was absolutely no reason "to force him into retirement". It just doesn't make sense, does it? The German Wikipedia says, that he was made head of a clinic again in 1939 – i.e. working again after regular retirement - this was the year, when the SS doctor Karl Astel became rector of the University of Jena. It's not innuendo. It's a straight argument, sounding much more plausible to me. Do you think it's impossible, that the *.gov-sources err? What are their primary sources? Is it possible to find out how they came to this conclusion?


 * Thanks for your message. Your problem is straightforward: you're relying far too much on your own original research and personal interpretation. You state: "you can erase a high percentage of the whole English article, naming it a conjecture." Sure, if what's written is original research (OR) but not when the text is based on verifiable sources, that is, any published source with authority that can be readily checked. It doesn't matter what I think or you think "makes sense" at Wikipedia: what matters is a neutral point of view backed up by references. I repeat: Wikipedia is not a blog for conjecture or innuendo or personal interpretations. Read (or re-read) the five pillars of Wikipedia. I'm also posting this onto the Hans Berger Talk Page. Cheers. --Jumbolino (talk) 22:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

That is simply a shift - and what matters then is what you (or your environment) call - a bonafide source - authority - neutral point of view. I've been to different countries – and maybe you wouldn't believe the scale of differences concerning the three mentioned points. No "official" source is forever (you were not so close to the change in Eastern Europe for example) – even if it's treated like the Holy Scripture. We usually die before real change takes place. Good luck. 217.236.193.180 (talk) 14:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Your muddled logic proves my point: all you're saying is that you're the source of knowledge, not I. Sorry, but that's the old cat-chasing-its-tale argument I haven't time for. Good luck to you. --Jumbolino (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Blow-Up
I want to know why you changed my edits to "Blow=Up." I pulled a quote from Roger Ebert's book and your reason on the history page was "it's stupid." I don't care how pretentious you are or how much being a wikipedia fascist boosts your bloated ego, but I want the change put back as it was relevant and not "stupid." It was properly cited and credit was given to its author and publisher. If you think Roger Ebert's opinion is stupid then fine but it's an actual quote from an actual book written by someone far more successful than you. If you're going to delete useful contributions, give a better reason than "it's stupid." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plycrckthsky005 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * When you've calmed down and can see straight, read my edit summary again and then consider the following words: Your edit was, in the main, just fine and the Ebert quotation remains in the article. All that was removed was your bit about the quotation being taken from the first volume of Ebert's mighty tome: this is footnote info that doesn't belong in the main body of the article. I also corrected a typo. As for the word "stupid" in my edit summary, it is clearly directed towards Ebert's observations ("deep sleep of bored alienation" really takes the cake) and has nothing to do with you or your edit. (That said, I wouldn't jump to rash conclusions about Big Ebert and success.) Above all, get used to people challenging your edits because that's all part of the experience. Please read the five pillars of Wikipedia before smashing anymore more china. --Jumbolino (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

La Strada
I can't easily check this, but is it true that Il Matto is not imprisoned after the fight with Zampano? --Ring Cinema (talk) 13:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's true : Il Matto is not imprisoned - allowing him to console Gelsomina with his Parable of the Pebble and then accompany her to the police station the following morning where she waits for Zampano's release (Il Matto, of course, disappears down a street first). --Jumbolino (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I just watched the critical passage on Hulu. At about the 1:02 mark, she asks Il Matto "why did they let you out?". He was not kept overnight but he was taken into custody. --Ring Cinema (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly, he was taken into custody and the police jailed Zampano overnight "because he had a knife" (Il Matto's dialogue) while Il Matto was let off. We can assume that Il Matto was taken into custody sometime in the afternoon and released sometime in the evening. A précis might read: both men are taken into custody but while Il Matto is soon released, Zampano is jailed overnight. --Jumbolino (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Sentimental vs critical list
Re: last edit reverted by Varlaam. This is POV and if the list had any genuine importance, I'd revert using Wiki's NPOV. Yourcenar's work is both acclaimed and popular in France and therefore not at all surprising to find it listed. Without showing any proof, Vaarlam assumes that Savigneau has a vested interest in including Yourcenar - but it's a list compiled by the general public. Vaarlam writes: "She is dismissive, when, as a biographer, an interested party, she should be stressing the list's major importance." This is nonsense and an assumption made by Vaarlam: there are no sources whatsoever in the article that defend the list as critically important. In addition, Vaarlam can't read French: not only is Savigneau a lit crit for Le Monde and in step with its editorial line but she is in favour of the list while explaining the conditions under which it was compiled: a non-academic, game-like approach in which comic books by Hergé and Franquin are ranked higher by the general public than novels by Joyce or Lowry. While this is hardly surprising and refreshingly unstuffy, it collapses the theory that it's a list of critical importance: as Savigneau observes, it is one based on sentimental choices made by the general public. Accordingly, I cannot find references that defend it as anything other than a guide to the literary tastes of the French reading public in 1999. For my part, I have provided a verifiable reference (Savigneau’s Le Monde article) that, in good faith, relativizes its importance. Quoi qu'il en soit, I will leave Vaarlam to his contradictions as, honestly, I couldn't be bothered for so little. --Jumbolino (talk) 22:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Varlaam's foul-mouth

 * Yeah, I had a glance at the "sentimental" thing again. You are well of shit, man.
 * Varlaam (talk) 04:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "Thanks for your absurd reply, Varlaam". Fuck you, Varlaam (talk)


 * You don't read French, you can't write proper English, and your edit summaries are faux cul. --Jumbolino (talk) 00:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Jesus, you really take the cake, don't you?

There are plenty of assholes infesting Wikipedia and you are campaigning for King. Varlaam (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It's enough to read your foul-mouthed rants and then consult your Block Log (and the long list of complaints against you on your Talk Page) to know we're dealing with a class act. During the time you were blocked for a year by Wikipedia, were you also by chance in a mental institution? --Jumbolino (talk) 08:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Another 3-month block for more foul-mouthed edits ending with Varlaam kicked off Wikipedia. --Jumbolino (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Cabiria
Though the poster is a still, it's also the theatrical poster, so shouldn't be captioned "film still". You could always use the original English-language poster if you prefer: http://www.moviepostershop.com/nights-of-cabiria-movie-poster-1957/AE8010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsigned (talk • contribs) 10:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The photo, a theatrical poster, also remains a film still and can be captioned as such, especially when it's a wikilink so I don't quite follow your logic. See Talk Page for Nights of Cabiria.--Jumbolino (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)



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To Jumbolino: contact from Philbobison
Hi Jumbolino,

Allow me to contact you for the following reason: I saw that you speak French and Italian at a professional level (and also because you’re interested in Italian films and literature)<<<<<;

My name is Philbobison.I am a beginner on Wikipedia and I would like to participate in the literary field and particularly, the theatrical one.

I wrote a first short article on a play by a French playwright, Christian Palustran, who already has a biographical page on wikipedia in different languages ( among them in the French and Italian speaking  wikipedias).

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Palustran

For this first article, the AfC draft reviewer casualdejekyll has kindly encouraged and helped me and he thinks that my draft could be suitable for publication if the sources are reliable. But he explains to me that he does not speak French. He therefore cannot verify the reliability of some sources. So, he advises me to contact a French speaking wikipedian of experience.

You would oblige me greatly by reading my draft and confirming whether my sources are correct, as I hope.

I will add that for this first draft, I used the page "A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx" which already exists in Italian:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Una_farfalla_gialla_chiamata_Sfinge

As you can see, I borrowed the sources from this page and I also found sources on the article Christian Palustran  in French and in English; I could see they are on the web or taken from newspapers or reviews.

So please could you let me know wether my first draft is well sourced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:A_Yellow_Butterfly_Called_Sphinx

I am waiting forward to hearing from you. Sincerely.Philbobison

PS I love Fellini’s Satiricone and Casanova. Also Pasolini’s Edipus Re and above all Medea. Philbobison (talk) 13:54, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Philbobison and thanks for your message which I read only minutes ago. At first glance, there is indeed a problem with sources, particularly with those pertaining to the 'Nouvel Obs' - the sources appear to be written by bloggers and not bonafide critics of the magazine. I will need to re-check to be certain along with other sources that, again, appear to be problematic. The article also needs to be written more concisely. I don't in any way wish to discourage you as I very much applaud your initiative. Please note that I've got a professional deadline looming and can only get back to you within 48h. If you're patient, I'll do my best to respond as soon as possible. Jumbolino (talk) 12:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Jumbolino,
 * Thanks for your kind and quick response. About the"Nouvel obs" source, I had decided to select it because it was in the author's article on the French wikipedia (Christian Palustran) and in the Italian article 'una farfalla gialla chiamata Sfinge"( A Yellow Butterfly called Sfinx ); but of course,  i'll follow your opinion. Besides, the articles I suggested are numerous and I suppose I can cancel  without problem those which seem  unriable  to you?
 * . I'll be patient and I'll wait for your response. Thanks again. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 05:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Jumbolino,
 * How are you ? Very busy,   I guess ?
 * I am sorry to contact you again but time flies. I submitted my first draft in March
 * ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:A_Yellow_Butterfly_Called_Sphinx  )  and I am discouraged that it hasn't been published yet
 * Could you help me again ? Just a bit.  Since you can  speak Italian and French, I just want you to to tell me if the sources of the draft (I borrowed them from the Italian and the French wikipedias) are reliable.
 * https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Una_farfalla_gialla_chiamata_Sfinge https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Palustran
 * The AfC draft reviewer who read the draft  was not sure of that,  because  she doesn’t understand  these languages. So she suggested that I find competent people. If you  confirm they are, (or suggest I can delete anreliable ones) then I will tell her. Then I hope I’ll get her agreement and my draft can be published at last… thanks to you !
 * I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 05:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Philbobison and forgive this very late reply. I've had time to go through the article again and re-check the sources used. I'm afraid I can't approve of them and the reason is straightforward. The reference/link identified as "L'OBS' known in France as 'Le nouvel obs' doesn't provide the name of the journalist or critic but rather a second link to 'Rue 89' that outlines an unsigned personal (indeed bloglike) viewpoint of 'A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx'. It's not a credible source for Wikipedia - no journalist or critic is cited. The other problem I had was the link to purchasing the book online. This may perhaps be acceptable if it contributed information other than its cost (and the fact that the play ihas been published) but I don't see it as a bonafide Wiki source. If you could trawl the internet again and find reliable third-party sources on this play I'd be available to help again in assessing those sources. I'm sincerely sorry to be negative on this and I don't want to dissuade you in any way but Wiki has its rules. Let me also state that I'm not infallible, and perhaps I'm too harsh on disqualifying the sources cited but from what I can tell, the present ones just don't cut it, hélas. Jumbolino (talk) 20:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * hello, Jumbolino,
 * Thanks for your kind response. I will trawl the internet again and look for reliable third-party sources on the play. But as far as "le nouvel obs" article is concerned, I can delete it. Isn't it simpler?
 * Sincerely Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can delete it and hopefully replace it with Wiki-standard sources. Best wishes and as the French say, Bon courage ! Jumbolino (talk) 15:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Jumbolino,
 * Thanks for your help. I find this first try long and difficult, but I don't want to give up! After numerous searches - on Aol and Google - I am coming back to you to get your specialist opinion.
 * Regarding the publication of the book, I found many online sales sites that seem reliable to me, including several Amazon, the Gallimard bookstore in Paris (very famous) and other online sales sites;  I think  3 will be enough (references 12,13,14) but I can possibly add some.
 * I also took your advice regarding the Nouvel Obs website : I deleted it and replaced it with 3 other sites ( references 15,16,9). I hope that in this way the sources will be acceptable.I also added a few sentences
 * " It was published in a trilingual English-French-Italian edition  and is among the plays selected to represent contemporary French theater in the book "Directory of Contemporary French-Language Theater" by Claude Confortès .arIt was also transcribed into braille."nfortès.
 * It was also transcribed into braille."
 * .Here’s the new Is it better now?d raft.
 * Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx
 * Do no any corrections or deletions . Is it better now? I am looking forward to hearing from you. Au revoir ! A rivederci !
 * Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 06:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Jumbolino, This message is the right one. Excuse the gibberish at the end of the previous one.
 * Hi Jumbolino,
 * Thanks for your help. I find this first try long and difficult, but I don't want to give up! After numerous searches - on Aol and Google - I am coming back to you to get your specialist opinion..
 * Regarding the publication of the book, I found many online sales sites that seem reliable to me, including several Amazon, the Gallimard bookstore in Paris (very famous) and other online sales sites;  I think  3 will be enough (references 12,13,14) but I can possibly add some.
 * I also took your advice regarding the Nouvel Obs website : I deleted it and replaced it with 3 other sites ( references 15,16,9). I hope that in this way the sources will be acceptable.
 * I also added a few sentences:
 * " It was published in a trilingual English-French-Italian edition  and is among the plays selected to represent contemporary French theater in the book "Directory of Contemporary French-Language Theater" by Claude Confortès . It was also transcribed into braille.".
 * .Here’s the new draft. Is it better now?
 * Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx
 * Please, don't hesitate to do any corrections or deletions .I am looking forward to hearing from you. Au revoir ! A rivederci ! Philbobison
 * Philbobison (talk) 15:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Bonjour, Jumbolino,
 * Comment ça va? Come stai ?
 * Si vous n'êtes pas trop occupé, accepteriez-vous de jeter un coup d'oeil à la nouvelle version de mon brouillon? ( Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx )
 * Vous savez que vos conseils me sont très précieux. A bientôt, j'espère, de vos nouvelles. Très cordialement Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 06:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Philbobison. I've read through your latest version and think it works in terms of acceptable sources. Could you please look again at the order of the sections/chapters? I don't have time today to check the rules on that and I don't recall what should come first: for example, Header then Synopsis followed by History etc. Let my know what you find. Best Jumbolino (talk) 10:40, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again,  Bumbelino,
 * Molte grazie per il tuo gentile aiuto !
 * I checked the order of sections on the pages of different plays (by Arthur Miller, Edward Albee, Dario Fo, Eugène Ionesco).You were right: generally the order seems to be the following one: plot (or summery); analysis; history (or productions) ; publications.
 * So I restructured my draft.
 * Bumbolino, if you think my  page is now correct, I suppose I must contact again Casualdejekyll, the AfC draft reviewer, . Would you agree to me quoting you in the letter I ‘ll send? Of course I won't do it without your consent. I'm thinking of writing something like the following text, but please, eventually change it, add or delete words or change the quotation of your last message into a new one.
 * Hello, Casualdejekyl, I am coming back to you because I have much reworked the draft of “A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx.” Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx
 * As you suggested, I searched and found an experienced Wikipedian, Bumbolino, who is fluent in French and Italian. He examined my sources in these  languages, approved some of them, advised me against others, unreliable, which I deleted.
 * Here is his last response:
 * Hello again, Philbobison. I've read through your latest version and think it works in terms of acceptable sources »
 * His friendly help was very fruitful to me and I hope that now this first article will be publishable. What is your opinion ? I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely. Philbobison
 * Ps ; one last point : are the sentences I added correct ?  I mean
 * - : “What initially seems to evolve into a simple love story turns out to be full of surprises...".
 * And "
 * A Yellow Butterfly called Sphinx was published in a trilingual English-French-Italian edition  and is among the plays selected to represent contemporary French theater in the book "Directory of Contemporary French-Language Theater" by Claude Confortès . It was also transcribed into braille."
 * Philbobison (talk) 05:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Philbobison. Do please quote me (and thank you for requesting my permission to do so). Also make please cite my proper Wikipedia name so that fellow editors can contact me directly if needed: Jumbolino (not Bumbolino - which is charming but incorrect). Keep me posted. Best Jumbolino (talk) 07:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jumbolino,
 * Vraiment désolé pour l'erreur concernant votre nom !  Je travaille sur mon ordinateur très tôt le matin et je ne suis pas toujours bien réveillé !  Bien sûr, je vous tiendrai au courant ! Mais avant d'envoyer la lettre je voudrais vous demander un dernier avis.
 * Est-ce que la structure est meilleure? et est-ce que la langue et le style des phrases que j'ai ajoutées sont correctes? Les voici: Corrigez-les éventuellement:
 * - : “What initially seems to evolve into a simple love story turns out to be full of surprises...".
 * And "
 * A Yellow Butterfly called Sphinx was published in a trilingual English-French-Italian edition  and is among the plays selected to represent contemporary French theater in the book "Directory of Contemporary French-Language Theater" by Claude Confortès . It was also transcribed into braille."
 * J'attendrai patiemment votre réponse. Amicalement; Philbobison
 * 2A01:CB06:3C4:C800:3910:C0F1:9E1C:467E (talk) 08:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A few problems remain that can be cleared up without a major struggle. 1/ The Synopsis is too thin and the wording too near to French phrasing (the latter can be rapidly re-written). The Synopsis, however, requires a more developed text (and one that would help underscore why it's worthy of a Wiki profile) that accurately summarizes the plot without going into excessive detail. If you could work on that and submit to me a draft, I'd be happy to help edit a final draft with you. Best Jumbolino (talk) 09:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merci, Jumbolino, pour votre proposition. Je suis ravi qui vous vouliez bien continuer de m'aider. Je n'osais pas vous le demander ! Je travaille dès maintenant la section "synopsis" et je reviens vers vous; Amicalement Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Bonjour, Jumbolino,
 * J'ai répondu, il y a une dizaine de jours, a votre proposition d'aide, mais je suis sans nouvelles. J'espère que vous allez bien? Si vous avez un peu de temps ces jours-ci pour revoir mon brouillon sur Un papillon jaune appelé Sphinx, j'en serai ravi!  Bon dimanche.
 * Philbobison Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx Philbobison (talk) 03:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merci, Jumbolino, pour votre proposition. Je suis ravi qui vous vouliez bien continuer de m'aider. Je n'osais pas vous le demander ! Je travaille dès maintenant la section "synopsis" et je reviens vers vous; Amicalement Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Bonjour, Jumbolino,
 * J'ai répondu, il y a une dizaine de jours, a votre proposition d'aide, mais je suis sans nouvelles. J'espère que vous allez bien? Si vous avez un peu de temps ces jours-ci pour revoir mon brouillon sur Un papillon jaune appelé Sphinx, j'en serai ravi!  Bon dimanche.
 * Philbobison Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx Philbobison (talk) 03:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Re-contact from Philbobison
Re-bonjour,Jumbolino !

Enthousiasmé par votre proposition, j’ai travaillé comme un fou pour améliorer la section “Synopsis”.

Que pensez-vous de l’ensemble? Ce nouveau résumé donne-t-il envie de connaître la pièce? .J’ai même ajouté un extrait car j’ai vu qu’il y en avait sur les pages d’autres dramaturges.

Mais je me pose 3 questions. Merci d’y répondre:

1)  L’extrait est-il nécessaire?

2)  La langue, le style, ne sont-ils pas maladroits ou incorrects? Vous savez que l’anglais n’est pas ma langue maternelle et j’ai peur du résultat ! D’autant plus que dans mon résumé, l’élève X doit rester inconnu. On ne doit pas savoir s’il s’agit d’un homme ou d’une femme. Alors j’ai essayé d’éviter le plus possible “he” et “she”, “his”et “her”. Cela crée peut-être un mauvais style.

Aussi, s'il vous plaît, pourriez-vous relire l’ensemble et me signaler toutes les imperfections? Ou peut-être pourriez-vous corriger directement le texte ? Cela n’est pas votre rôle, je sais, mais je pense que cela vous fera gagner beaucoup de temps! De toute façon, je vous fais entièrement confiance.

J’ajoute que si vous ne pouvez pas revoir le texte en détail dans les jours à venir, je serai patient.

3) Vous écrivez: “If you could work on that and submit to me a draft, I'd be happy to help edit a final draft with you. » Cela signifie-t-il que si vous jugez cette nouvelle version acceptable vous pourrez m’aider à la publier directement, sans que j’écrive à la  AfC draft reviewer ?

Un grand grand merci, Jumbolino. A bientôt. Amicalement. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Re-contact from Philbobison

 * Bonjour, Jumbolino,
 * J'ai répondu, il y a une dizaine de jours, a votre proposition d'aide, mais je suis sans nouvelles. J'espère que vous allez bien? Si vous avez un peu de temps ces jours-ci pour revoir mon brouillon sur Un papillon jaune appelé Sphinx, j'en serai ravi! Bon dimanche. Amicalement.
 * Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx Philbobison

Philbobison (talk) 03:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Re-contact de Philbobison
Bonjour Jumbolino, Comment ça va?

Je n'ai pas encore envoyé la lettre à l' AfC draft reviewer car j'ai peur qu'il y ait encore quelques imperfections dans mon brouillon (Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx).

J'ai suivi vos conseils. Pourriez-vous ,s'il vous plaît, relire le nouveau texte et me dire s'il y a encore quelques corrections à faire, notamment dans la langue?

Grazie mille! Bon week-end et à bientôt, j'espère. Philbobison (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello again, Philbobison. Thank you for your messages which I could ony read now. I should be able to contact you this weekend after a crucial work deadline is over. I'll read your latest version and tell you what I think. Looking forward to it. Best wishes meantime and thanks for your patience. Jumbolino (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * hello, Jumbolino,
 * Great! I'll be waiting patiently. Have a good week. A bientôt. Philbobison 2A01:CB06:3C4:C800:154F:27CC:FE2A:B546 (talk) 11:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

to jumbolino
Hi Jumbolino,

I'm very desappointed : I've just received a message that says that my draft is retired !

"This user is no longer active on Wikipedia. I think I've had enough of this, y'all. So long, and thanks for all the frogs. casualdejekyll 19:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)".

What does "thanks for all the frogs" mean? I don't understand.

May be you could read my new version and tell me which corrections it needs and then I'll  submit it again to casualdejekyll who is the AfC draft reviewer ?

I'm waiting forward to your response. Best. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 04:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

draft: a yellow butterfly called Spfinx
Hi, Jumbolino,

Come stai? I'm afraid I misunderstood the last message I received from Wikipedia and happily, my draft is still on line ans can still be published. I'm waiting forward to hearing from you. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 07:05, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please hang on for another day or two. And please forgive the long wait but I'm working to a deadline still. Jumbolino (talk) 17:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * D'accord, Jumbolino. A bientôt et bon courage pour ton travail ! Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 03:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:A yellow butterfly called Sphinx
Bonjour Jumbolino,

How are you? You were still very buzy, I suppose? I wish you a good week-end. I hope you'll have some time to have a look at my draft. Alors, à bientôt? Amicalement. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Re-contact
Hi, Jumbolino,

Comment ça va? I havn't heard from you for a long time. I would be delighted if my first page would be published this month. This would be for me a a super gift for Christmas !

Would you accept to be Santa Claus and have a look at my draft (Draft:A Yellow Butterfly Called Sphinx).( Lol )

I followed your suggestions and think it is quite better now but I am not sure the language is correct English.

A bientôt, j'espère. Amicalement. Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 07:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bonjour Philbobison et désolé pour cette réponse très tardive. J'ai lu votre article plusieurs fois ce matin. Bien qu'il y ait encore quelques fautes de frappe mineures, je pense que vous pouvez soumettre à nouveau l'article pour examen. L'auteur est notable et il n'y a aucune raison pour que sa pièce la plus connue n'ait pas un profil Wiki en anglais. Amicalement. Jumbolino (talk) 11:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Grazie mile! Un grand merci, Jumbolino, pour vos relectures. Je vais donc soumettre l'article. Je vous souhaite une bonne année 2024 ! Tutti i miei auguri ! Philbobison Philbobison (talk) 07:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
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 * Hello Denisarona. Thank you for the info on dates. Jumbolino (talk) 12:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)