User talk:Key of G Minor

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Regarding Talk:2023 Titan submersible incident
Hello, Key of G Minor. I just wanted to inform you that your vote in the Requested Move discussion at Talk:2023 Titan submersible incident is in the wrong section. I recommend that you move it to the 'Discussion after debris were found' section and amend it, if needed. Ping me if you have any questions. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Disregard, discussion was closed while I was posting this. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
Hello, I'm FlightTime. Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Welcome to the Jungle even if you provide a/some source(s), you'll still need to start a discussion on the article talk page to allow editors who regular watch that page a chance to discuss the reliability of the source(s) you provided. One reason is, genre sources can easily be considered an opinion and not fact. Genre's are a touchy subject here on Wikipedia and without discussion/consensus, regardless of your source(s), your addition or removal will most likely be reverted. Your edit has been reverted and archived in the [ page history] for now. Unsourced genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at Live and Let Die (song), you may be blocked from editing. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you change genres in pages without discussion or sources, as you did at You Could Be Mine. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * They're listed as a hard rock band on their page. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 21:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 22:19, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter, if you want to change genres, you need to discuss them first, on the article talk page. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No. That's wrong. This isn't against consensus, they're literally listed as a hard rock band. You're the one editing without consensus. Look at Guns N’ Roses. It says they're hard rock. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 21:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The band is, but we're talking about albums. A band listed as punk can release a hard rock album. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can. But they are listed as hard rock. The genre of the album doesn't matter, their lead listing does. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 21:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You said it yourself:
 * "Concerning this exchange, is correct. Lynyrd Skynyrd are listed as a Rock band, so any page referring to the band, it's listed as Rock. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)"

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July 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistently making disruptive edits. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page:. Bbb23 (talk) 17:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You are a very new editor. You shouldn't be tagging articles for speedy deletion at all, but beyond that, your edits to date are highly unusual in many respects. Many are disruptive, and many are misguided. Have you used other accounts at Wikipedia? What's an "RSD"?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:14, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * - how does WP:CLEANSTART not apply? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You returned to the same articles and edited them in the same manner as your prior account. Essentially, this was clearly a prohibited attempt to evade scrutiny. WP:CLEANSTART goes into more details. --Yamla (talk) 18:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't evading scrutiny - I wasn't under any. I didn't disruptive edit then and don't now. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Multiple editors have found your edits to be disruptive. --Yamla (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Who? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't remember anything like that happening Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A quick look shows, , , . I do want to be clear, I think you are an enthusiastic editor and have real potential. However, you aren't currently showing signs of understanding what you are doing incorrectly. This will be my last response. You are, of course, free to make a new unblock request. For any future reviewing admins, note that was the original blocking admin. As far as my block is concerned, you are free to ignore the checkuser part of it and just review it as a regular block. --Yamla (talk) 18:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Key of G Minor, you have made a mess of this page, hence my revert back to this point. First, you cannot remove declined unblock requests. Second, you can have only one unblock request at a time. Finally, you cannot alter declined unblock requests. Any more of this, and I will revoke TPA.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Then can I add back my second one? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 21:39, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes as long as you don't mess anything else up doing so. My warning was not to prevent you from making an unblock request.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Unblock requests

 * What alt account?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * see This diff. All of the professed accounts are in the "An apology" section, which got lost in the cleanup of this talk page. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:05, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @KoGM, what you linked to as your "alt account" made no sense. What is your alt account?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn’t have wifi for the last hour -
 * the list is
 * Original (unused): User:AugustusAudax
 * Alt to use in public WiFi: User:Key of B-flat major
 * Old acc I forgot the password to from before AA: User:JamesTheBold
 * Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 22:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC
 * I mean I do not currently use it or plan to ever use it again. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not a complete answer to the questions I asked in my decline. You will need to post a new request, addressing those questions fully, and another admin will review it in due course. Girth Summit  (blether)  20:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I would be fine with a topic ban from genres for a couple of months. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 20:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Drmies, I'm not keen on unblocking this user, although I wouldn't object to extending the standard 6-month offer. However, if Yamla (he keeps taking vacations, sounds like the earliest he would chime in is tomorrow) and GS are in favor, I agree that a topic ban should be imposed.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not fully back yet. And for the record, more vacations planned. :) I'm... mostly ambivalent here. I think if an unblock is to happen, a topic ban should be imposed. I also think a single-account restriction would be a good idea. I think these lead to the best chance of success in the immediate future. To be clear, this is mostly Bbb23's block and I'm offering suggestions, not requirements-from-the-blocking-admin. Anyone lifting this block with whatever terms they think appropriate will see no objection from me. --Yamla (talk) 21:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * My conditions if I were an admin would be a topic ban on music genres for 6 months, a permanent cease-and-desist on the use of JamesTheBold and AugustusAudax, using Key of G minor as the main account, and the only exception being Key of B Flat Major as a public WiFi/unsecure connection account, as that is allowed by policy per WP:PUBLICSOCK provided that the account connections are clearly stated on the userpage. Any disruptive edits, especially from the public WiFi alt, would result in a block. I’m not opposed to a SO either, but the above would constitute my conditions for a non-SO immediate return to editing. DrewieStewie (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable - and KoBFM was disclosed as a pubsock front right and center. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 15:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * AND AA was never planned to be used again, and I forgot the password to JTB. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 15:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would accept an SO. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 21:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Would the genre topic ban include uncontroversial genre changes, such as changing a page referring to Green Day as punk rock, when consensus shows that they're generally rock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Key of G Minor (talk • contribs) 00:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * KoGm's explanation for the Rheighway account seems at least plausible. My instinct says it's at least true that they didn't register that account and know the person who did. I'm less convinced that they're not the one operating it currently, but I'll grant that they have no clear motive to sock in that manner. However, their explanation relied on off-wiki evidence and that's had to be OS'd. Since appeals based on off-wiki evidence must go to ArbCom, do you have an objection to procedurally closing this in favor of an ArbCom appeal, with an understanding that, if the sockpuppetry side is resolved, there's a rough consensus for an unblock with a full TBAN from genre changes? -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 18:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Tamzin, I'm fine with that. Thanks. Please go ahead and close the unblock request, if you like: I'm only here intermittently. Drmies (talk) 07:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a way to delete edits, right? Like, wipe out the diff and erase from the revision history? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's been taken care of, on both talkpages. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 18:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you - also, I put non-admin comment there because of the userbox on your userpage. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm an idiot. I read it wrong 💀 Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It happens. The real lesson here is you really shouldn't add tags like nacmt to other users' comments. If you feel someone's actually misrepresenting themself as an admin, that's one thing, but generally it's up to an individual user whether they wish to note what perms they do or don't have. (P.S. That userbox rotates out at random, so here's what we're referring to for others' context.) -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 18:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, just so you know, I would absolutely be fine with closing this and making it an ArbCom appeal. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 00:01, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Can/Should I remove the declined requests so an admin stumbling across my page doesn't think I have 3 declined requests and invoke WP:TPA? Also, how do I submit evidence to ArbCom? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 14:12, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, my apologies for the delayed response. The decline came to me at ~3:45 AM local time. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs)
 * Leave the requests. Even if we didn't have a policy about that, TPA isn't revoked on a strictly numerical basis. I've seen people get to 10+ consecutive unblocks because they were making gradual progress. As to ArbCom, you should email User:Arbitration Committee. You can say the same thing you said here. Just note that emails are plaintext, not wikitext, so you'll want to format it as . Make sure to include a link to this thread.Also, don't worry about response time here. Slower is better, within reason. Take time, think things through. --  Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed</i>&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 14:26, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * KoGm, far be it from me to tell someone how to handle their own unblock request, but I really don't think treating admins like we're idiots is going to help your case. You have 1 decline for socking, 1 "Try again" with further questions, and 1 procedural decline, and you're not insulting anyone or otherwise violating user conduct policies. No one's going to revoke TPA on you.I'll be honest, if it weren't for the socking angle, I'd be inclined to commute this to a tempblock of 2–4 years and give you some time to, frankly, become the kind of person who doesn't leap into things impulsively. (Not intended to speculate as to your precise age; this is advice I might give to anyone under 25.) There's a point in one's life where it seems like everything is the most important thing in the world. That's often a bad point at which to be editing Wikipedia. And if that seems preachy, I did edit Wikipedia at that point in my own life, and did get blocked for bad decisions, and only got unblocked because I applied the lessons I'd learned from a run-in with the cops when I was 14, which is the kind of trial-and-error experience from which maturity is wrought. Even then I have a lot of regrets about silly immature things I did in the following years. So just... something to think about. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 15:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you, and I'm sorry if it comes off as treating you as idiots, which wasn't the intention. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 15:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to unblock me for just one page? In this case, Sockpuppet investigations/AugustusAudax, as I want to defend myself. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 20:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can post a reply here. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 20:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I take that to mean I will post a reply here and you will put it there in my place, as I’m blocked, so thank you. The defense I would like you to place is:
 * I am not these IPs. These IPs track to Manitoba and Alberta. I live in Indianapolis, 2000 miles away from there, and I don't know anybody outside my state, let alone a foreign country. CheckUser evidence can confirm that those aren't me. However, I would also like to apologize if I brought on this horde on genre-warriors, but I would also like to say this too in my defense: My evidence has already gone to ArbCom, and I’m fairly close to getting unblocked. I have no motive to block evade, especially for an argument this dumb. I opened an RfC, consensus was gained, and I accept that. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 20:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been about a day and a half since I contacted ArbCom. About how long do you think it should take them to reach back? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 16:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I could not tell you. Given that ArbCom keeps a roughly steady number of open appeals per quarter, I imagine less than three months, but that's just guesswork. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 17:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Block evasion accusation
✅ block evasion as. I suggest that precludes any unblock. --Yamla (talk) 18:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * That's not block evasion. That's my grandpa. He's been editing since 201X. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * My name is James, his is Robert. Thus User:JamesTheBold and User:Rheighway. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Think about it. Why would I have an 11 year old account, that I remember the password to, and create a new account? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And why would I bring attention to myself by asking for an unblock? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Please just assume good faith and believe me when I say that's not me. I would've had to make that account when I was 3. Again, I apologize for my idiocy. But my grandpa (who has completely different interests than me) is being caught in the crossfire. You know that I know that doing something like that would completely ruin my chances of getting unblocked. And I want to keep this account. If you do decide to decline my unblock and invoke WP:TPA, please replace the contents of my talk page with the apology I wrote previously. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 22:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Please just give me a second chance and I know I can be better. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 22:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Evidence against accusation

 * If you give me a few days, I believe I can make a convincing case that that is indeed my grandfather and not me. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 02:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Yamla: I now have proof that User:Rheighway is not in fact me.
 * I hope this convinces you to believe me. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 17:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I was also this close to getting unblocked, why would I ruin that? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I do believe Key of G Minor to be a good-faith editor, who has contributed constructively to several areas, including RfD and AfD. They were originally indef blocked by for "disruptive editing", a block which, as they stated (1), was not adequately explained. I was surprised by this block, and asked Bbb23 for explanation on that user's talk page, receiving, in my view, no satisfactory answer (2). Then Key of G Minor found to be a sock of AugustusAudax. I'll restate my opinions here again; I believe that Key of G Minor is a good-faith editor, and that Bbb23's initial block could use with some more scrutiny. No comment on this "Rheighway" affair.  OK, I will comment. 's account was created in 2012, (3), eleven years before AugustusAudax.  ( Non-administrator comment ) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 18:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words. All I can do is hope the evidence I gave is good enough to prove that we're not the same person. Same family? Yes, but not the same person. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This whole situation is just one, big misunderstanding. I thought A3 meant no real content, but I was wrong, so I was blocked. Then, my old account which I have no intention to ever return to (I don't even think I still have the password) was thought to be a sockmaster, because people thought I was under scrutiny when I left. I didn't think I did, and just left and made a new account. Then, I kid you not, my grandfather's account was confused with a sockpuppet of mine (of which I have none) because we I occasionally used his computer, and I made one or two edits on it, so it got auto-blocked too. I don't know why they thought this, because I was so close to getting unblocked, and I wouldn't want to ruin that. But that's not important. I still don't quite understand why making a new account and abandoning the old one is a problem in this case, but I believe I can learn if I'm unblocked. Honestly, this block has done more harm than good. I've noticed so many mistakes I could've corrected in the time I've been blocked. This whole situation is a confusing mess, and I believe it should be resolved as soon as possible. I just hope that Yamla is convinced by my evidence that Rheighway is not my sockpuppet. I'm really just venting/summarizing here, and I apologize for any inconvenience to any readers of this, but I just wanted to get it out. Honestly, I'm just a little stressed, as school starts back up in a little over a week. My hands are getting tired, so I oughta stop typing, but thanks for reading this rant, and I wish myself luck in this hellish dumpster fire of an over-extended month-long journey. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 01:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Further comment: I would describe KoGM's (this seems to be the preferred acronym) edits as "problematic", not necessarily "disruptive", and certainly not "abusive". Their abandoning of the AugustusAudax account sounds... odd... and JamesTheBold looks like a WP:LEGITSOCK. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:16, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * JamesTheBold is valid. As I disclosed to ArbCom a few months ago, I forgot the password and was too lazy to try and recover it. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure if the AugustusAudax / KoGM thing comes under WP:SCRUTINY. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, to the best of my knowledge, I wasn't under any scrutiny at the time of abandonment. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 16:21, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

"Martina Princess" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martina_Princess&redirect=no Martina Princess] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Skynxnex (talk) 01:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

A Message to Skynxnex
As I am blocked, I cannot defend this redirect, so I will do it here. I see you tagged Martina Princess for deletion, the rationale is it being a misnomer. You cited CBR, yet it appears that CBR is incorrect. I believe the actual episode itself says Martina Prince, but this might be wrong, as I haven't watched it in a while, but I feel like I distinctly remember it being Martina Princess rather than Marsha. Martina would also make more logical sense, given that it's the direct female equivalent of Martin. I'll film the clip in question tomorrow for further review, so for now, I feel it would be best to temporarily withdraw the nomination. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 02:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC) Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 02:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Apologies for this process while blocked. The discussion will last for ~7 days so I'm not sure there's any reason to withdraw or pause. CBR isn't the only page that mentions it but just one example; there's no equivalent level of source for the current redirect, 8 hits in google for  and those are a couple of tweets, a couple of FB comments, and a couple of forum posts. (But I'll watch the segment as well.) Skynxnex (talk) 02:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick response. Just to let you know, if it turns out that's not the actual name, I give my full support to deletion. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 02:55, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * In accordance with your comment, I !vote delete. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 20:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Help me

 * Just wondering - can anybody explain how topic bans are enforced? Is it a bot that looks at each edit made and reverts it if it's under the topic in question's umbrella, or do admins manually go through each and every edit made during the duration of the topic ban? Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 18:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Topic bans are generally enforced by users reporting violations to admins. PhilKnight (talk) 19:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kind sir. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

A Message to ArcticSeeress
I noticed you added Slaewaz to RfD. I would like to say I support deletion, and let me explain why it was created. If you look in the page history, you can see at the time of the redirect's creation, slaewaz was actually listed as the proto-Germanic name for slow living, which led me to believe that the proto-Germanics created the lifestyle, without actually reading the article. Had I actually done some digging, I guess I would've found out that it's both irrelevant and incorrect. Oops 🤷‍♂️ Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 03:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * In addition, it was also not until recent and after I was blocked (I've appealed to ArbCom, though, hope I get a response soon) that it was removed and I discovered the error. Sincerely, Key of G Minor. Tools: (talk, contribs) 03:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking into the page history more closely, it seems you're correct. An editor added this info in this edit without any citations. My apologies for assuming bad faith. ArcticSeeress (talk) 04:11, 7 October 2023 (UTC)