User talk:Knife-in-the-drawer

False error related to ISBN
Hi, what do you think about fr:Discussion Wikipédia:WPCleaner ? --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 12:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

More on ISBN errors
My plan to fix all ISBN related issues after we are done with the CHECKWIKI lists:
 * ✅ Empty Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs. Hopefully this will be done at the same time we are done with our lists.
 * I think this is the one you have to help me now. There are many pages that the Please check ISBN template has just to be removed since the ISBN has already been fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The first article that I worked on...I randomly picked because its title was interesting, and if it contained ISBN errors, I guessed they would be easy to fix. As you advised, no ISBN errors, but lots of Please check ISBN, which I deleted. Remember--randomly picked. The article: The Good Witch of the West. A manga article! That's funny!!! The gremlins of fate have a huge sense of humor!!! Can you recommend a good lawyer for when I get dragged before the tribunal? :-) Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As long as we team-up to fix the errors in the Manga articles, you'll need no lawyer :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * List of Pokémon Adventures chapters Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * . -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have never seen anyone who works as hard as you. Seriously. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 04:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * In the morning, I need to do Manlio Sgalambro (it has lots of problems). All other articles that remain on this "Category" page also appear in the 070/072 dumps. After I put those dumps to bed, I will return to this "Category" page to see what still remains. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 20:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Empty WikiProject Check Wikipedia/ISBN errors. (53 pages) Same as above.
 * ✅ Empty Category:Pages with ISBN errors. Same as above.
 * ✅ Orphan Template:ISBN missing by adding ISBN where possible
 * Magioladitis, the only instances of ISBN missing that remain occur on User pages or talk pages. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 15:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Empty Category:Articles lacking ISBNs

-- Magioladitis (talk) 12:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I am fast, not faster than you, but unfortunately I am running out of ideas of how to fix the remaining pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how to interpret your message. My plan: 1) Get 070 dump down to zero by tomorrow. 2) Get 072 down to zero in a few more days.


 * If you have a different plan, let me know.


 * I guess now is as good a time as any...the July dumps will probably contain ~300 articles each in 070 and 072, which WPCleaner should catch this time. The ISBN beast isn't dead quite yet. :-)


 * Regarding the missed "=" should be a pipe that you wrote below...I need time to research it. Maybe my fault, which I'll admit. Maybe WPCleaner's fault (that poor scapegoat :-). Maybe the template's fault. I need time to research it. Now, however, I'm heading to 070 dump unless you have another plan for me. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 15:17, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess you already know about User_talk:Magioladitis. The ISBN beast is back but not as strong as before. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

New updated list released at WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia/ISBN_errors. A lot of new pages caught by our improved detection system. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

How to fix ISBN parameter in Infobox book
Example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) Thanks for showing me the example with "isbn_note="
 * 2) Can we please add "isbn_note=" to the "Usage" section of Template:Infobox book (between "isbn" and "oclc")?
 * 3) One situation remains. Editors want to put more than one ISBN in the "isbn=" field, for example, ISBN (hardcover) and ISBN (paperback).

Do you like this solution:


 * isbn          = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn_note     = (hardcover) ISBN 978-0-9722220-0-6 (paperback)

Another part of me would like to see


 * isbn1         = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn1_note    = (hardcover)
 * isbn2         = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn2_note    = (paperback)

or


 * isbn_hardcover          = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn_hardcover_note     = (hardcover)
 * isbn_paperback          = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn_paperback_note     = (paperback)
 * isbn_ebook              = 978-0-9722220-0-6
 * isbn_ebook_note         = (ebook)

Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 07:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

If you see the WPCleaner list I fixed almost all cases. I'll check the others in a few days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * At the risk of looking thick, I'm not sure what you meant by "WPCleaner list". Would you please point me to a specific article you fixed that had something like an ISBN (paperback) and an ISBN (hardcover) in the "isbn=" parameter of the Infobox book? Thanks. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 09:30, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Manual updated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

The WPCleaner list can be found at WikiProject Check Wikipedia/ISBN errors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Examples:, , ,. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The isbn_note trick expanded for graphic novels: User_talk:Frietjes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

You can see which errors CHECKWIKI finds in pages
Using 070 and 072 links you can see which ISBNs are reported as broken by CHECKWIKI tool. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 02:24, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI/073 dump contains the article "Daniel Keys Moran". WPCleaner finds no errors (NicoV and I are discussing such misses).

I'm writing to you because https://tools.wmflabs.org/checkwiki/cgi-bin/dumplists.cgi?error=73&output=detail also finds no errors.

"Daniel Keys Moran" has 20 ISBNs, so of course, I'd rather not go through them manually to fix the ISBN. If you need me to go through them manually to help find the inconsistency between CHECKWIKI/073 dump and the detailed dump list, let me know. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 09:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * You can use this list User:Bgwhite/Sandbox1. It turns this page is already fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the details dump list uses the updated code. Bgwhite has to confirm this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The Moran article was fixed by Knife on the 15th. Yes, uses same code. Bgwhite (talk) 18:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Fixes that we missed in the past
Replace equal sign with pipe. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

This is weird too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Capitalisation. Soon we will be detecting those too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

See also sections
I do not think that it is a good practice to add wikilinks to technical templates in Wikipedia articles. I am not quite sure but I have not seen this before. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Round 1 (ding)
 * 1. You would rather have readers go hunting for templates? I just googled "wiki template ISBN"--no hits for the "ISBNT" template in the first three pages of hits (I stopped looking after three pages). You would rather hope that readers happen upon the search form buried in the middle of "Template namespace"? One fundamental characteristic of Wiki is links to ease access to information for readers. Key words wikilinked throughout the article. Relevant external links. Relevant links to other Wiki articles in the "See also" section.
 * 2. "I am not quite sure but I have not seen this before"
 * Wikipedia:ISBN
 * Currently, there's a gaping disconnect in Wikipedia between articles and directly related templates.
 * 3. Hopefully, when readers see an intriguing template mentioned in an article that interests them, they will be inclined to start using it.
 * 4. "I do not think that it is a good practice..."
 * I don't think it's a good idea to stick wikilinks to templates in the middle of an article's text. I think it's an **excellent** idea to start putting wikilinks to directly relevant templates in the "See also" section of articles.
 * Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 00:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 00:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Round 2 (ding)
 * 1. By technical templates, did you mean only Template:ISBNT? I'm not done linking. I only wanted to put a few out there and see what dissent arose (but I didn't expect it from you). As an example (not fully thought out yet), I think the "PubMed" article should have a link in its "See also" section to Template:PMID and to Help:Magic links. Again, the gaping disconnect between the "PubMed" article and its directly relevent templates / magic link seems ludicrous.
 * 2. Do you think the links to Template:Google books, Template:EAN, Template:Discogs master, Template:Discogs release are a good idea? (If no, see Round 1 above :-)
 * 3. Too many links to templates in a "See also" section is a bad idea.
 * 4. Links to irrelevant templates in a "See also" section is a bad idea.
 * Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 05:00, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 05:00, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

OK. Let's see if this is going to work. As I wrote I have no strong feelings. On 1.2, See also section to Wikipedia space such as ISBN is OK for me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

The see also sections are there for readers (not editors). We don't link to templates for the same reason we don't link to "Wikipedia:" pages or userpages, it's too meta/too "self-referential". Each article needs to be able to stand on its own (for example if someone printed it out and/or included it on a different website between different content) -- they're not supposed to refer to/mention Wikipedia or its inner workings. Templates are tools that editors use. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Knife-in-the-drawer, I just noticed one of these edits that the others in this thread have been complaining about. I agree with them that this is an improper way to use templates. I can see from your edit summaries that your intention is to increase awareness of underused and obscure templates and I recognize your concern that nobody will find them in "Template namespace", but as others have suggested in this thread, "Articlespace" is not an appropriate place to link templates directly. The proper place to link to templates like this is on talk pages. Specifically I would recommend the main talk page on associated WikiProjects and article talk pages (where you can even place alerts like this in an appropriate talk header template for greater visibility). You can find out what are the associated WikiProjects by looking at the article's talk page where they should be listed at the top. If you need any clarification please ask before carrying on with these additions. The way you are currently linking them is improper. -Thibbs (talk) 10:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just reverted the four directly-linked templates you recently included at "National Diet Library", "CiNii", "Choral Public Domain Library", and "Bibliothèque nationale de France". Please don't consider this a rebuke. If you'd like some help coming up with ideas for where to go to publicize/raise awareness of these templates then I'd be happy to make some suggestions and help you. -Thibbs (talk) 13:53, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm... Now that I look back I can see you've been doing this at a number of articles since the middle of the month. I'd like to revert those additions as well but perhaps this would be a good time to pause and address the question to the community instead of undoing all of your work. My understanding is similar to that of User:Jeraphine Gryphon (who posted above). Direct in-article references to Wikipedia or implicit instructions for readers to take an action on Wikipedia (e.g. links to templates only used by editors of Wikipedia) would seem to be a violation of Wikipedia's guidelines on self-reference. The concept of Cross-namespace linking is controversial and I believe the practice is generally frowned upon. It's worth noting that Wikipedia's guidelines on the "See also" section suggest adding "internal links to related Wikipedia articles" (emphasis added) and not "Wikipedia templates, help pages, manuals of style, etc." Do you agree with my interpretation of the guidelines? If so, could you help me to revert the templates that have been added to article space since mid-June? If not, then we could pose the question at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout and see what the community thinks. Sorry for cluttering up your talk page with so many notes today. Let me know your thoughts on what I've said. -Thibbs (talk) 14:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Knife. Having run into and removed a couple of these occurances, I see that a discussion on this has already started. I acknowledge, that templates are sometimes hard to find, but nevertheless, links to them don't belong into article space (or article category space, or any other page aimed at users in the role of a reader rather than editor), it's a name space violation. If the contents of the template belongs into an article, invoke the template rather than adding a link to it. And to promote the existance and usage of a template, please put it on the article's talk page, as other's have suggested already. Thanks and greetings, --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

A bunch of weird ISBNs
Check this out. All these ISBNs starting with 471709558. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Barcodes afterall. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

July lists
July 2015 lists for
 * ISBN with wrong length
 * ISBN with wrong position of X
 * ISBN-10 with wrong checksum
 * ISBN-13 with wrong checksum

have been released. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

ISSN
I started discussion on ISSN numbers: Template_talk:ISSN. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and the check was added as you dreamt of. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

New ISBN tracking categories
Frietjes and me extended ISBN check in infoboxes. It revealed thousands of parameters to be sorted. You may have a look! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:Pages with ISBN errors
 * Category:CS1 errors: ISBN
 * Category:Pages using infobox book with an invalid isbn

3,000 pages to be fixed
WikiProject Check Wikipedia/ISBN errors if there was a time for you to re-appear... this is it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

List of pages with invalid ISBNs in Wikidata!
ISBN-10:
 * 1) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q117431
 * 2) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q202531
 * 3) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1340996
 * 4) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1649588
 * 5) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2353056
 * 6) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q10323679
 * 7) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5646458
 * 8) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5825925
 * 9) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q18394159
 * 10) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q21594712
 * 11) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3275326
 * 12) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5641784
 * 13) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5826146
 * 14) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6026012
 * 15) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q4532148
 * 16) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q185449
 * 17) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1215802
 * 18) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5682974
 * 19) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6172341
 * 20) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6816294
 * 21) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6896642
 * 22) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7420877
 * 23) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7699058
 * 24) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7728224
 * 25) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7733234
 * 26) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7744908
 * 27) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q581485
 * 28) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2917884
 * 29) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1194969
 * 30) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7729405
 * 31) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7741388
 * 32) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7763159
 * 33) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6062739
 * 34) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q10282989
 * 35) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q10341275
 * 36) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q10341275
 * 37) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12258871
 * 38) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6946282
 * 39) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q20088621
 * 40) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12264849
 * 41) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12252852
 * 42) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12258657
 * 43) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12263506
 * 44) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5061737
 * 45) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12255284
 * 46) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q16536276
 * 47) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7621522
 * 48) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q502579
 * 49) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q15397819

ISBN-13:
 * 1) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q398440
 * 2) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2806725
 * 3) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2998783
 * 4) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3002779
 * 5) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3202289
 * 6) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3527278
 * 7) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5455949
 * 8) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5456237
 * 9) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6675095
 * 10) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q6819744
 * 11) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3232177
 * 12) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3227679
 * 13) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3451574
 * 14) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3515072
 * 15) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3793392
 * 16) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3862893
 * 17) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5063076
 * 18) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7756268
 * 19) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7757180
 * 20) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7772159
 * 21) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2961441
 * 22) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3207484
 * 23) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3213482
 * 24) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3222246
 * 25) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3232503
 * 26) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7776370
 * 27) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7729030
 * 28) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7722208
 * 29) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3227414
 * 30) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3232988
 * 31) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3235594
 * 32) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3284393
 * 33) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q18384872
 * 34) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q4658791
 * 35) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7968021
 * 36) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q795453
 * 37) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1089926
 * 38) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5089095
 * 39) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5249543
 * 40) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2376552
 * 41) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7493693
 * 42) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2891091
 * 43) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7750146
 * 44) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7762885
 * 45) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7487421
 * 46) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7572443
 * 47) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3051342
 * 48) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3174544
 * 49) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3201390
 * 50) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3231481
 * 51) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7776550
 * 52) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7776554
 * 53) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7105144
 * 54) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3209486
 * 55) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3227037
 * 56) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3267436
 * 57) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3280050
 * 58) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3339694
 * 59) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3373114
 * 60) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5813009
 * 61) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q5826140
 * 62) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7278747
 * 63) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7278747
 * 64) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7278747
 * 65) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7278747
 * 66) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7413116
 * 67) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q18366291
 * 68) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q20011810
 * 69) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q20990448
 * 70) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7748810
 * 71) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7752089
 * 72) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7757702
 * 73) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q7776561
 * 74) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q21014398
 * 75) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q21016740
 * 76) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q21479383
 * 77) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1406564
 * 78) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q22046538
 * 79) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q3205721
 * 80) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q22833317
 * 81) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q23653620
 * 82) http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q23653624

-- Magioladitis (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Listed invalid ISBN is misused in many places
Example. I wonder how we fix all these stuff. I fixed almost 100 of them today. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Seasons' Greetings
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