User talk:Koreangauteng

Auto-Patrollers and Rollbackers suggested me to have a talk regarding your recent edits
Hey there, recently I have noticed several secondary sources by renowned western scholars in the field of Islamic Studies vanished from lede sections on several surahs. This was followed by new sections and/or sub-sections with the like of 'notable verses' and their respective interpretations. Additionally there are several problematic sources from those you provided leading to ex-muslim pages, conservative/right-winged news networks. But also more neutral news networks from Israel. These do not count as secondary sources. Oh and I would kindly ask you to check the secondary sources by known western scholars of Islamic Studies before deleting them all along as these are not easy to find/re-track. AshleighHanley82 (talk) 11:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Reg. Surah al-Fatiha and the addressed people on your recent edit at Antisemitism
I think you mixed up the sources. The ones you provided by Sahih Muslim & Bukhari do not deal with Surah Fatiha, at least not in these instances. They both read as follows: "Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Prophet ﷺ as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?" //// & "The Prophet said, "You will follow the wrong ways, of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a mastigure, you too will go there." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else?".

The first example talks about a lizards hole and the second is about a mastigures hole, context wise a surah is not adressed here. Your previous sources were different on this subject, weren't they? AshleighHanley82 (talk) 15:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Agree. I won't use these two citations for Surah Fatiha. Koreangauteng (talk) 21:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I already briefly mentioned it but you keep fracturing summary sections "Content and theme matter" into almost a dozen tiny sub-sections named "notable verses", completely disjointed from one another, thus leading to confusion. The entire article becomes chaotic as there is no structure. The articles primary focus should be a brief summary on what is dealt here with. AshleighHanley82 (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Sura layout changes
Hello Koreangauteng,

I strongly disagree with your recent changes on various surahs. How set are you on this? I don't really care about "ayat" vs. "verse" or the like, but changing a singular essay description to a set of disconnected "notable verses" is not a good change. In addition, please read Template:Cite Quran - translator is a recommended parameter to show which translation of the Quran is being used and will automatically show whose version it is. If you are really set, please start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam and suggest that Suras be discussed following your preferred style. If there's a consensus behind it, fine, but I'm very skeptical this is a good idea as it stands. SnowFire (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Some issues with current Wiki Quran articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Some_issues_with_the_current_Wikipedia_Quran_articles Koreangauteng (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

IP user
First, let me clear that I am not trying to make any accusations against anyone, I am just trying to ask you a general Wikipedia question. Is it odd that an IP user with 6 edits before today has so much knowledge about Wikipedia policies? GrammarDamner (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It isn't odd if you know what a dynamic IP is. I was editing Wikipedia long before you registered your account. In future, I suggest that if you have concerns about a contributor, you first raise such concerns directly with them. 86.134.74.102 (talk) 00:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Advice from an IP user.
Koreangauteng, In case you haven't got the message, I'd strongly advise you not to accuse a named contributor of having a 'COI' in the manner that you did: in a discussion where the contributor wasn't involved, wasn't notified, and accordingly was in no position to respond. I've seen people get blocked before for doing exactly that. If you have genuine concerns about COI (after reading the relevant policy, which you seem not to understand fully), discuss it with the contributor concerned, and then raise it at WP:COIN if you can't reach a resolution. 86.134.74.102 (talk) 01:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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"Hadiths that support..."
You've been reverted and I think quite properly. We shouldn't be using religious texts that way, and certainly not quotes. It's not our job as editors to find Hadiths that support or oppose something, it's our job to find secondary sources that meet WP:RS that discuss the subject. Doug Weller talk 17:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Further discussion on this matter at : Koreangauteng (talk) 03:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Ibn Kathir's tafsir from Quran4U overuse
There does not seem to be any purpose to link this tafsir to every Quranic chapter name and sometimes verses when there is no mention or relavance to it. A simple translation should be linked instead, though even then there is no need to link it to the name itself.

Secondly Quran4U which hosts the tafsir has a poor format and gives the impression of being unreliable. Altafsir.com would be better.119.155.36.215 (talk) 05:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020
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 * Refer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Camel_urine#Camel_urine_in_2020 Koreangauteng (talk) 21:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

April 2020
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Camel urine. Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 04:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * If it was inappropriate at Camel urine, it was inappropriate at Prophetic medicine. Do not restore the material there.  As multiple users have explained, you are combining statements from sources to reach conclusions that no specific source makes.  Ian.thomson (talk) 08:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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Concubinage in Islam
Hi, Koreangauteng. I see you have been active on Talk:Concubinage in Islam. Can you take a look at the concerns raised there? Regards,Mcphurphy (talk) 10:18, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Concubinage_in_Islam. Keep saying "taqyia" thing to Muslim editors and you will find yourself reported and blocked SharʿabSalam▼  (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I came here to say the same thing. Don't attack people on religious grounds. I was, personally, deeply insulted by your comment.VR talk  23:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ditto, and you should strike out your comment and apologize instead of pretending you never made it. This also isn't the first time you made this Islamophobic accusation or a false COI one.39.37.151.149 (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. ''I have had enough with your absurd original research/poor sourced additions to articles about Islam. You have added multiple false content in articles about Islam like the one in the Halal article or the one in Camel urine. Please stop. Thank you. BTW, I still havent seem you apologizing for the Taqyia comment against Muslim editors. Saying that Muslim editors are doing "Taqyia" clearly shows that you dont even know what Taqyia is.-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 08:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)''  SharʿabSalam▼  (talk) 08:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Question
Have you ever edited as ?-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are clearly a sockpuppet of Speedrailsm. All of your contributions will be reverted when I email a checkuser as per the block policy.-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 08:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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May 2020
Blocked per Sockpuppet investigations/Speedrailsm Nick-D (talk) 08:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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