User talk:Kudpung/Archive Jul 2012

Jane Bernard page
Hi. I write about things I find nice, interesting and useful to me.I have really put a lot of effort writing this article and I don't want it to go to waste. I would really appriciate your assistence a bit. Thank you. --BiH (talk) 08:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, and I understand. That's why I userfied it for you instead of deleting it. But as a bureaucrat on another Wikipedia, you must understand the rules, which here on en Wiki are probably a lot stricter.  I'd love to help, but the problem is finding sources for this article, which I can't do any better than you could. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They are strickter indeed and perhaps I'm not used to that. I'll do my best and will be contacting you again for new revision. Thanks --BiH (talk) 09:11, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd like your opinion
Hi Kud, I have drafted a proposal to create yet another user right in my userspace, here. Before submitting it to the community, I'd like to hear your opinion and that of your talk page stalkers, if you have time, to make sure that my idea is not particularly stupid. Let's call it a sanity check... Cheers and thanks in advance. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:23, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Salvio. While I welcome any proposals that address the problems with RfA, I'm afraid that any unbundling of user rights, or creating new ones that touch upon the admin tools are not ones that I can support, so I'm really not the right person to ask. My opinion is, and always has been, that we'll  have enough 'full' admins for  all  these tasks when the climate at RfA is better and as a result, more candidates of the right calibre come forward. Nevertheless, good luck with your proposal. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kud; I admit I hadn't realised you were against the unbundling of tools. Cheers. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 10:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's well thought out, and it's not stupid at all. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

deletion - double articles
Hi, I'm a new user and I was not sure if I should make 2 articles or 1. Now I know. I merged those two articles "Saltillo"&"Menton J. Matthews" in the article "Menton J. Matthews". The second article is more suitable to stay because it will be more elaborate - it will describe this person work as Saltillo and as illustration/comic-book artist. I've also corrected redirecting from "Saltillo" disambiguation page to "Menton J. Matthews". I marked the page "Saltillo" to deletion so please do not delete "Menton J. Matthews" yet. I'll try to expand it in time. Koena (talk) 11:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the deletion notice. The redirect seems to be working fine. Please attempt to add WP:Reliable sources per WP:BAND as soon as possible lest another editor marks the article for deletion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:22, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for participating in my RFA! I appreciate your support. Zagal e jo^^^ 06:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

U.S. Air Force Pipe Band
I have added an inline citation to U.S. Air Force Pipe Band with a quotation from Citizen Airman, a USAF publication and therefore in the public domain. Perhaps I will come back to add an inline citation from the United States Air Force Drum & Bugle Corps & Pipe Band Alumni web site. I would expect even the one inline citation to be a way to not have this article challenged or deleted, but there is no way to be sure. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

French translation
Hello. I was on Translators available and notice that you were on the list for French to English translators and wondered if you could translate Francis II of France or Charles, Duke of Lower Lorraine?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 23:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Ban
Do you favor the ban on me or do you feel it is to harsh?--RJR3333 (talk) 14:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Translation needed
Hello,

Will you please be so kind to translate this text from German to English:

[http://books.google.rs/books?ei=8m9vT9bmGsPktQakn5WYAg&hl=sr&id=4eXlZq6aBrkC&dq=%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B3+%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7&q=ivan#v=snippet&q=ivan&f=false Kommentar: Ebenso wie die Dukagjin rückten auch die Balsici/Balsha nach Skanderbegs Tod wieder in das Blickfeld der Venezianer. Hatte Skanderbeg sich einst als Erbe der Balsa bezeichnet und diese aus ihrem Familienland verdrängt und nach Neapel verbannt, so beanspruchten die nach Albanien heimgekehrten Führer dieses alten Adelsgeschlechts nun ihrerseits die Nachfolge des toten Helden. Ivan Strez Balsa, ein Neffe Skanderbegs, verlangte dabei seinen enteigneten Besitz zurück, und zwar die Burg Petrela, das nicht weiter zu lokalisierende Woiwodat von „Terra nuova" um Kruja (kaum gemeint sein kann das ebenfalls als Terra nuova bezeichnete osmanische Elbasan), die Dörfer des Gebietes von „Bonese" (Bushnesh, WNW von Kruja gelegen), schließlich das Land zwischen Kruja und Durazzo.115 Tatsächlich kam Venedig den Wünschen Ivan Strezs weitgehend entgegen und setzte ihn damit zum Nachfolger Skanderbegs ein.]

The author of the text is Oliver Jens Schmitt in work Südosteuropa.

If you need some help to better understand the context please let me know. Thanks in advance.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * History is not my forté, so withour prejuduce to context which I have not read:

"Comment: Like the Dukagjin, after Skanderbeg's death the Balsici / Balsha were once more being observed by the Venetians. If Skanderbeg had once claimed to be the heir to the Balsa and exiled them from their homeland to to Naples, those leaders of the aristocracy who then returned home to Albania also claimed to be  the successors of the dead hero. Ivan Strez Balsa, a nephew of Skanderbeg demanded the return of his confiscated property, namely the Castle Petrela, the Woiwodat of 'Terra Nuova' of Kruja which canno longer be located (which can hardly be confused with the Terra Nuova called Ottoman Elbasan), the villages of the area of 'Bonese' (Bushnesh, located WNW of Kruja), including the land between Kruja and Durazzo. In actual fact, in 115 Venice largely conceded to  the wishes of Ivan Strezs and installed him as  Scanderbeg's successor."

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Parsytec
Kudpung, I see that Ironholds has restored the article. I have done some re-wording but I am not sure if it is sufficient. Could you advise? Regards, VictorVautier (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Victor. It's still a little close in places. This Duplicator Detector Report (done about 5 minutes ago) will show you where it needs a bit more work, but it's getting much better. The chunks in bold are where the text is still duplicated from the source. Have a look at WP:Close paraphrasing which has some tips on rewriting. Alternatively, you could also put some of it in quotes with an inline citation, but not more than a couple of sentences or phrases. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for chiming in Voce. Doing some sight seeing - catch up with you later. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I need to quit for today, but I will roll up sleeves again by tomorrow. Good night, Akolyth (talk) 17:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, Voceditenore. VictorVautier (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I have used Ironhold's talk page because the whole discussion has started there. Please have a look at the section "Parsytec". Regards, Akolyth (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

SplashScreen
SplashScreen is one of those editors that makes me wish I could get consensus that serial account ownership is, in and of itself, a bad thing. I'm certain that he is a returned editor, and I'm certain that one of his previous accounts had a serious run-in with Calvin999 or another one of the Rihanna fans editing Wikipedia. Right now, the rules on requesting checkuser prevent me from gathering any evidence that would help me evaluate what needs to be done with the account.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep accumulating your evidence... --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

RfA Guide
Hi! Thank you for your advice on the RfA process. I really appreciate it, as it will help my upcoming RfA. Thanks again, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC).
 * Also, would it hurt my RfA if I were to create a friends list? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly, and for at least two reasons I can think of: Wikipedia is not a social networking site, so we don't  have 'buddy lists'. Secondly, it  could be seen as a form of canvassing. If there's anything more you  want  to  ask about Rfa don't hestitate to ask. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've seen many people with it, but it seems more like a social network. Also, I have 8 people who have offered to nominate me for Adminship, including 2 admins. How many nominators should I end up having? Thanks, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC).
 * You should really read WP:Advice for RfA candidates and draw your own conclusions. Most RfA usually have only one nominator; having more may be construed as having sought too  much  support  offline before the event which is very  much frowned upon by the voting community. Again, the best  conclusions are to be drawn from reviewing older RfAs. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Being nominated, IMHO, is very  important -  it  shows at  least  that  someone has noticeed your work and feels that  you  have a fair chance of passing at RfA. If  you have several nominators, obviously choose the best  one. This may require you  doing some research. The better known the nominator is, the cleaner their bill of health, and possibly an admin who in  addition is well known/respected, are things you need to look  at. Follow recent  discussions at WT:RfA. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I have one last question: As a vandal-fighter, many of my edits are automated. What is an acceptable percentage of automated edits? Thanks again, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC).
 * Sorry about the delay - been travelling back home to Asia from the US and getting over a long conference. I don't know what is acceptable. Your total edit count to mainspace is still low by today's RfA standards so you will need to ensure that there are sufficient content edits and/or creations to provide some metrics; auto edits don't generally count for much. Looking at your pie chart though, I would be more concerned about the ratio of your talk to mainspace edits. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! That's why I'm waiting until January. I'm working to get the mainspace edits to 40% by increasing the percentage of mainspace edits by 1% a month. I've been actively involved in the edit filters recently, and I send out warnings when they are tripped (I also have a request for edit filter manager pending. I've so far warned over 3K vandals, from vandalism that I catch or that trips a filter. Also, I hope to get about 10,000 edits before going for adminship and 20-30 articles created. I know that might be a bit low, but I'm good at BLPs and I hope to work in ant-vandalism. Thank you so much for your input, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC).
 * Beware of making it seem as if you are ostensibly working towards adminship. Joining the army with the intention of becoming a general is fine, but setting an ultimate goal to become an admin is not one of the best reasons for joining Wikipedia. The knowledge and experience needed for adminship simply grows on an editor, and usually on those who are more concerned with adding content than policing the project. If you've followed all the links, talk, old RfAs, (especially this one - note that the most obnoxious oppose vote was made by an admin who was finally desyopped this week) and user RfA criteria pages, you'll recognise that even if you check everyone's boxes, the community is growing ever more cautious about users who might appear to be a bit over enthusiastic about getting the bit ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've looked at many off these check-off pages and I pass some of them now, but it really doesn't matter. I personally ask myself one question: "Would I trust this user not to abuse the admin tools?". Adminship is really no big deal, as is the rollbacker and reviewer status I currently have. It's just a few extra buttons that I'm trusted with to do my job more efficiently here. Admins are trusted with more tools, including rollback, plus block, protect, and delete. I don't feel as if an admin is the general- it's merely just the one who carries a few high-powered guns that they are trained to use. I've seen that many admins trust me here. Whenever I make a block proposal at AN/I, admins pile on their supports and out of over 200 AIV reports, only 1 has been declined (It was a diff from over a month ago using STiki that was vandalism that was automatically reported). Also, the RfA is turning into a big deal. As your well-written guide says "Over 2/3 of all RfA's fail". People oppose for thew slightest of reasons. I've made a few bad edits here and I correct myself, but no doubt I'll be opposed at my RfA. The 2 admins who are nominating me both failed their first RfA. Best, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC).

Fine, they need to reconsider the position
They're going to have to think harder, because their reply is very very silly. They're proposing effectively no change. I can understand why, but they're not paid to have it easy of course ;) --Kim Bruning (talk) 03:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Tsk tsk Kudpung
Hey Kudpung, you really shouldn't be typing up messages to users during someone's presentation. I'm sitting right next to you and am profoundly disturbed. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn' t be looking over my shoulder and reading my computer instead of following the presentaion ;) - I've also  been taking notes on the talk. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Good to meet you
ARS member and presenter Dthomsen8 found you quite informative at the Wikimania 2012 Unconference. I need to learn more about NPP, although I believe I am doing a reasonable job with the new articles needing review category now. Ones where I have doubts about what to do I just leave for others. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:08, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I do reviews of the Category:All unreviewed new articles list. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Google translations
Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English - update? Thanks El reggae (talk) 01:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Education Meet-Up
Hi Kudpung, thanks for your note on my talk page. I'm sorry you weren't aware of the Education Meet-Up at Wikimania; I publicized it through all countries' Ambassador lists, program talk pages on multiple language Wikipedias, the Wikipedia Education Program Update newsletter, the Education-l listserv, and on the Wikimania schedule. The meet-up was a great success; we had about 80 people there, and photos are available on Commons. We had such interest that we then held a 2-hour session during the Unconference on Sunday; notes from that taken collaboratively on an Etherpad are pasted here. Hope that helps! -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew about the meeting and it was to be one of the most important events I wanted to attend. Unfortunately, for anyone making their way to it alone, the instructions for finding the venue were wrong, and after walking a dozen city blocks looking for the bus stop the result was a wasted evening in the hostel lobby with aching 60+ year-old-legs. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey you
Hey, I wound up bugging out on the last day and getting a hotel near the Dulles Airport since it is so far from the city and I had an early flight. Fat lot of good it did me, some sort of snafu with the airlines computer and I ended up missing my flight anyway and staying out in the burbs of Virginia another day in the swealtering heat. (or perfecly mild wheather as you would see it) Anyway, it was great meeting you and sorry I disappeared at the end, I didn't get a chance to say my goodbyes to anyone. And don't let that other thing get you down. We screw up a lot (by "we" I mean the movement as a whole which includes the community and the Foundation) but we usually get it right eventually. Nothing is permanent on Wikipedia, and if the Pending Changes saga has taught me anything it is that big changes take a long time and a lot of patience. If we ever manage to meet again I'll buy you and Harry dinner at someplace other a Japanese restaurant... Beeblebrox (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Just this minute woke up after sleeping off a massive jet lag round the clock. Don't worry about the Jap resto, it'll be Chinese ad nauseam next year - better make sure you can make it there ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Need some eyes
Hi Kudpung, could you keep this article on your watchlist? There's an editor with a major conflict of interest, who I fear may still not "get it". The article showed up at WP:Copyright problems with extensive copyvio (only mildly reworked). It was also a complete mess of badly formatted, poorly referenced PR, etc. I completely rewrote it to avoid it being stubbed and the offending revisions were deleted (I imagine you can still see them). Anyhow, the editor's at it again. See my latest comments. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Will do. BTW, the USA was awesome ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Glad you had such a great time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Informing new creators of article guidelines
I saw the proposal on informing new creators of article guidelines and seem to recall you mentioning that Wikipedia user interface improvements were being discussed elsewhere. May I ask where?

Incidentally, you may consider this discussion or this discussion on handling of articles that were SpeedDeleted because somebody thought that they were Stub articles and/or Not Notable to be a related issue. LittleBen (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There is currently one discussion at WT:NPP (see also the archives of that talk page) that may interest you. It concerns, among other things, the creation of a proper landing page for new users who wish to create articles;  the new landing  page  was proposed by the Foundation  around a year ago but development is on hold as apparently not being of sufficient priority. The main discussions  are were at 'Article Creation Flow', MediaWiki.  FWIW, very few articles are in fact actually wrongly deleted, for instance, I have personally deleted several thousand, and have only restored 18 - most of which were simply to create redirects or for userfication. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I strongly agree with your opinions on the need for a better article creation work flow. Thanks for the links, much appreciated. LittleBen (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Declining PROD on Iffendic
I noticed you placed a PROD tag on Iffendic (diff). I have declined the PROD as the article does indicate its importance, does not fail WP:GNG and, as far as I can see, is not a minor landmark on a hiking trail. Thanks, Osarius     Talk 10:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, a rare slip of a mouse. It should have been placed on The pond of Careil. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Phillip Witcomb
I undserstand you have deleted my page article... perhaps it would help if you wrote the article for me.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Modern Master (talk • contribs) 13:47, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Pardon? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Phillip Witcomb Well Ok no biographies never the less I am still alive and I do actually exsist so I have just written my name and what I am in one line cheers the modern master — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Modern Master (talk • contribs) 14:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what you're trying to say, and I doubt Kudpung will too - could you try to explain exactly what the issue is in clear English, and sign your post using the four tildes ( ~ ). Thanks, Osarius - Want a chat? 15:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

NewVIc
Hi Kudpung. I see you also spotted the profuse self-promotion in the Newham Sixth Form College article, and you added a note to the talk page. I have deleted or rewritten much of the article, but I acknowledge you have a great deal of experience with school articles. Two questions: 1) I have an acquaintance who works at NewVIc.  I asked, and she confirms that Sarah Heathwood (who wrote the puffery) is also an employee of the college (as suspected).  Do you think I should add that to the talk page, or ask my colleague to tell her that wikipedia's articles are encyclopaedic and not advertisements? 2)  The two deleted alumni, Councillor Hussain and Danielle Vitalis, are mentioned within NewVIc's own website as being former pupils. Is this enough to allow the two names to be reinstated (citing the website pages of course) - which I can do - or should the references be independent (I haven't yet found any!)? Thanks. LenF54 (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Len. Thanks for the feedback. If the two deleted alumini are listed on the school website, they can be restored if they meet WP:BLP requirements for notability from an external source - best of course though would be if they had their own Wikipedia pages. I don't think it's necessary to place a WP:COI warning anywhere, generally most school articles are written in good faith although we have to remove any puff, but the claim NewVIc is London’s largest sixth form college needs a source. You and I have the article on our watchlists and can intervene any time if necessary. Once again, many thanks for your help with this article. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Can you please take a look at this section, since you was the administrator nominating the page for deletion. I've been working with him to see if Notability can be established and would like your opinion, thanks! — raeky  t  13:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it concerns me really. The article was in fact deleted twice, each time by experienced admins, on  my  nomination also as an admin. I nominated the article for deletion according to policy but the creator of the autobio didn't appear to  understand that people a) shouldn't write about themselves, and b) however notable they  might be, Wikipedia articles need verifiable sources that clearly assert notability  according  to Wikipedia's criteria and not  their own.  If you feel that you can write that bio neutrally and credibly source it, I warmly  encourage you  to  do so. Do  consider however,  creating  it in  your user space first, and then asking me, or someone else who is experienced, to  cast  an eye over it for you when you feel it is ready for moving once to main space. I suggest seeing  how your request  at the Notability  Noticeboard works out first though. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok... I wasn't going to bother with writing it unless it was clear notability could be established, so my question is mostly on WP:ARTIST 4d if that is sufficient alone for notability, of so then I think he meets it since Watts Gallery I think is notable in that context. — raeky  t  14:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever happens, I commend you on your excellent response to the editor. Good luck, and don't hesitate to ask me to review it if you decide to go ahead. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Page Deletion - RAMP Sports Page
Hi,

Thank you for taking the time to discuss the RAMP Sports page that I created yesterday. As I understand it - and please correct me if I am wrong - you deleted the page because the corporation was not significant enough to merit a wikipedia encyclopedia page.

When I posted the page yesterday, I had not yet cited articles pertaining to the subject from the media. RAMP is significant because it has invented a new process to make ski manufacturing cheaper, more flexible, and more energy efficient. Below I have attached hyperlinks to a number of articles recently written about RAMP and its new process in the media:

http://www.skinet.com/skiing/articles/delivering-us-dark-ages http://www.theskichannel.com/blogs/ramp-skis-and-snowboards-heliski-com-gear-interview/ http://heliski.com/ramp-skis-and-snowboards-15-questions-with-heliski.com-and-heliboard.com http://www.powdermag.com/latest-news/ramp-production-us/ http://www.conciergequestionnaire.com/ur_here/story.php?id=293&page=6

If I rewrite the Wikipedia page and better stress the significance of the topic, citing these and other sources from the media, do you think it would be more appropriate to create this page?

Thank you for your time and help.

Best, Rowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daisy1717 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I realise that our rules and regulations can be confusing, but first and foremost, the general recommendation for writing about a company is 'don't, and most definitely not if you are connected in any way at all with it. It's almost impossible to  write an article about a company  and remain  neutral; words to  avoid are expressions that clearly  attempt to  bolster the organisation's image such as has been committed..., partners with xxxxx (non-profit) to help promote..., has become a leader..., etc. and very  often when such terms and their paragraphs have been removed there is very  little left  that  actually  demonstrates importance. The references you  mention above unfortunately  do  not  pass our standards for WP:Reliable sources; they are based on information released by the company itself or on interviews and are therefore not independent journalistic reports in the established press. If you can meet all these standards with a rewrite, I  invite you  do  do  so, but  please start the article in  your sandbox first  and request me or another experienced user to look it over before it is moved to main space. However, my own research on this company has not revealed any  sources that establish notability within  Wikipedia criteria. True notability for this company would be established by national and/or international report in the business, financial, or sporting press that RAMP has totally  revolutionised the manufacture of skis, and the skis have successfully been used by Olympic Gold medallists -  for example. -Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:37, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Need Help
The discussion on my article has been closed, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sanki_King, Now my entire talk page is full of notices and blocks etc. Im telling you very honestly I dont know about half of the stupid stuff that I did in 2010, I can assure you I did it all unintentionally as I was new to Wikipedia, I did not mean any harm etc. Now please help me how can I update my talk page with this message that the discussion has been closed? My talk page looks embarrassing, I have recently started reading all the rules and everything about Wikipedia especially after we had a direct discussion, you made me realize countless mistakes which Im very thankful for. Now please tell me what should I do? Thanks SameStruggle (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I very much appreciate your honesty and self-reflection - it's what make users into good editors. If you find the comments on  your talk  page embarrassing, don't  simply  delete them, but  consider just archiving the page up to the last most recent nice messages. (Don't delete any  active block  'messages - if any). You  may  wish to leave the welcome message on the top, because it serves as a quick  reference to some important  policies and guidelines. For instructions on  how to archive your talk  page, go to  WP:ARCHIVE. If you are still unsure how to  do  it, don't  hesitate to ask me for help. You  can already  get  some idea of archiving by looking  at this talk page of mine in edit mode to  see how I do it. Unless you are expecting to have a very busy talk  page, I would advise against using bots to archive your page. Take care, and happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your brief response, honestly I have no idea how to Archive my talk page, can you please help me and/or do it for me whenever you have time?. I will not delete a single thing but I dont want other people to see all these warning messages on my talk page either, if its possible. Thank you SameStruggle (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll do it for you this time, but please read WP:ARCHIVE for next time. Don't be too embarrassed about warnings -  we all get them sometimes, even admins - it's part of the learning process. Of course, the best way to avoid warnings is to know the policies and guidelines well and be a very careful  editor ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you I really really appreciate your help. And this is still written in the welcome message "Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Sanki King (Artist), may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted." What do I do? SameStruggle (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Im a big cat lover and here is a beautiful kitten for you for being helpful and supportive to a beginner like me. Thank you very much.

SameStruggle (talk) 03:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC) 
 * Thanks! And don't hesitate to ask me for help any time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I just sent you a message above. SameStruggle (talk) 03:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Just don't worry about it - many admins started with  such  a welcome. Even I  had an article deleted once a long  time ago. 'May' is the operative word, and nobody will notice it  -  no one reads other people's welcome messages anyway. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello Kudpung. Thank you for your comment on my talk page. I have just been working here for 3 months and I think there are plenty things to learn. Could you please tell me more about the problem I'm having--Morning Sunshine (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm not a new user at all. I must say it at the first place. I'm clean start of Blue Marble, which was created on July 2010. I have made 930 edits here with that account without involving in any maintenance task before moving to this account in November last year (I had disclosed this at my RfA at Commons 2 month later). As first, I tagged image for copyvio and no permission here as it is my main work on Commons. I also deal with out of scope image and see that their associated article on other projects which need deleting. So I expand my activities to CSDs. And most of my tagged articles seem obvious and have already been deleted. And I always read the article before tagging, note at the tone of articles and do some quick search. Maybe my main difficult here is that I don't have the native knowledge of English and my writing is not very good (bad is more exact word). Anyway, thank you for your advice and I will try to get involved in content creation if possible. Regards--Morning Sunshine (talk) 17:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)