User talk:Kudpung/Archive Nov 2011

Bulgarian Parliamentary elections, 1971
I recently noticed that you added the line:

to the article, and I couldn’t help but notice that this article is indeed in not only one category, but in four categories.

Дочуване!


 * Hi. I'm sorry, but  there does not  appear to be  such  an article, the article is called Bulgarian parliamentary election, 1971 and I  have never edited it. Please correct me if I'm  wrong. Thanks. (and please remember to  sign  your posts). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Advertisment tag 2
Sorry if I am being a bit pushy, but I saw that you answered some other users and figured you might not have seen my message

Hey its me again the guy with the COGEN page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COGEN_Europe).... look I've been really banging my head on how to rewrite the article, gave it a few days but I can't really think of a way in which to radically alter the way its written. It really just describes what the organisation is doing and the only reason I mentioned some specific dossiers or report was in order to achieve notability.

Anyway I did adjust it a little, deleting a sentence in which I said that the organisations aims to assure the interest of its members.... and changed the last paragraph a bit....and of course as previously mentioned made more use of pronouns. Not a radical makeover as previously mentioned.

With regard to notability, I think I covered it better than other articles that are out there on wikipedia. I know the publications are all European, but this is where the organisation conducts its activities. I have a reference from Euractiv - reference No. 8 (a very reliable an well known source) which is an interview with the managing director of Cogen Europe. I also have a reference from the European Commission which outlines one of their reports (reference No. 21) and also a few from COSPP (Cogeneration and onsite power production) - an important publication in this field - which emphasize their activities. I could have given more, but then would have had to mention more of their activities.....and apparently the article already says to much about them :).

Just a final note, I used the Friends of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Europe) article as a model (because it is a similar size organisation), and I don't see much difference in that article's tone and the one I wrote, and with regard to notability, mine covers it a bit better I think.

Sorry for such a long message, but I just wanted to argue my case a bit better. If you still don't see fit to remove the advert tag or to sorta tell me specifically what bothers you about it, then I really hope that some other users out there will help me out more on this.

Thanks again for your time Bogdan 007 (talk) 22:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies, as you  can see, my  talk  page has been exceptionally  busy  this month. I'm looking  into  this now for you.


 * I have reviewed the article and checked out  all  the references and the subjects notability. It's still  written  like an advert, a press release, or an entry  in  a B2B directory. The Word COGEN appears too  frequently and make the page look  spammy. Far too  many  of the references are to  COGEN or COGEN related websites  also make the page look  spammy -  also these are primary  sources  and cannot  be used to  establish  notability. Unfortunately our main  policy  is the assertion  of notability; this means that  even if a subject  is notable, if there are not  sufficient  significant independent sources such  as articles about  the organisation  in  the established media,  an article cannot  be retained.  The page as it  is currently  presented is not  really an article, i'ts more a list  of statements.


 * http://www.chp-goes-green.info/europe/cogen Possibly not  reliable as it  may  have been populated with   content  or a press release supplied by  COGEN  or its agents.
 * http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emcc/content/organisation/tn017o.htm?p1=country&p2=JAPAN Corporate profile listing. Possibly not  reliable as it  may  have been populated with   content  supplied by  COGEN  or its agents.
 * http://www.euractiv.com/energy-efficiency/combined-heat-power-generation-chp/article-181255?display=normal is not about  the company, it's about  cogeneration
 * http://www.cospp.com/articles/2011/09/cogeneration-sector-responds-to-energy-efficiency-directive.html Possibly  not  reliable as it  may  have been populated with   content  or a press release supplied by  COGEN  or its agents.
 * http://www.euractiv.com/energy-efficiency/heat-and-electricity-industry-eu-energy-strategies-overlook-heat-losses-interview- is an intervies with the CEO  of COGEN and is therefore again  COGEN talking  about  itself.
 * http://www.endseurope.com/25174/eu-urged-to-put-chp-at-core-of-energy-policy?referrer=search is a subscription-only access and cannot  be verified for compliance
 * http://www.powertecrussia.com/blog/cogen-europe-energy-savings/ is a blog, and it does not  appear to  be about  COGEN.
 * http://www.code-project.eu/category/home/ is not about  COGEN
 * http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/energy/cogen-europe-11/ is about an event  organised or sponsored by  COGEN. This is about a COGEN activity  and does not support claims of  notability.
 * http://www.enr-network.org/teaming-up-cogeneration-and-district-heating-2-June-2010-Brussels.html is not about  COGEN and does not  support claims of notability
 * http://www.endseurope.com/25923/chp-sector-cautious-about-planned-energy-law?referrer=search s a subscription-only access and cannot  be verified for compliance. it does not  appear to  be aspecifically about COGEN and does not  support claims of notability.
 * http://setis.ec.europa.eu/newsroom-items-folder/new-report-2018cogeneration-2050-the-role-of-cogeneration-in-a-european-decarbonised-energy-system2019 is about activities of COGEN but  does not  appear to support claims of notability


 * If you  have found similar articles that  have not  been tagged or deleted, it  is possibly  because they  have not  been adequately  reviewed, or have escaped our new-page patrol  system. I'm  sorry  I  can't  be more helpful, and at  the moment  I  cannot  see a reason  for removing  the tag. However, the tag may  may invite other editors to  find reliable sources. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm not sure if I  gave you  this link  before: FAQ/Organizations, but  it may  help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!
Not sure if Thailand celebrates Halloween though. --Sp33dyphil © • © 05:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I think  it's very  much  an American event, although  some people in  some of the European countries I  have lived in  might organise a party at  home or a college ball (particularly in Germany). Trick-or-treating I  have never known in  Europe, and although  my  country, the UK, is listed - unreferenced - in  the article as doing  it, I  have never known it  there. Have a good one :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Have a good one -- don't trick-or-treat in Bangkok tonight, I heard that there's been a flood XD --Sp33dyphil © • © 06:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Abhijitsandbox
Back yet again. I'm not sure what to do with this. Thoughts? → Σ  τ  c. 07:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * G2 is fine and I've also salted it, that's the third or deletion now, and four  if you  count  an earlier one today  that  I  moved   to  his user space.  But  I'm  sure he'll  come up  with  something  else -  keep  your eyes peeled. I don't  think he can read English.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

PS: See the post below -  help  is needed! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Eyes needed
Anonymous IPs are removing comments by the clean-up editors from India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics. I've reverted for now, but I suspect they'll keep it up. Sigh! OK. now I really am off. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Seen the post above? I 'll try  to  keep  my  eyes on  it. Go  spend some time with  your grandkids :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've protected the page and warned the users that they  may  be facing  a block, and that  a block  will  affect all  users on  the network. If they  do  this again, I  will  block them -  I  just  don't  care anymore about  soft  soaping  them. Where are all  the CAs in  all  this? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

About Mission Pictures International and Curate's eggs
Hi Kudpung. "Oh, no, my Lord, I assure you that some parts of it weren't blatant WP:COPYVIOs." I'm must admit having something of a existential crisis about copyvios: on one hand, I could chop them down to tiny stubs; on the other hand I could tag them for speedy deletion. And this article fell in the middle. And before you ask, no!, I'm not asking for this deleted article to be userfied - I already have more WP:KITTENS than a lost cats home! --Shirt58 (talk) 11:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There are no perfectly bright  lines, and as you  said, it fell  right  in  the middle. Yesterday I  might have chopped it down  to a tiny stub myself. Today  DD was already  open  on  my  desktop and says it  was copyvio. No  worries, I've deleted hundreds (perhaps 1,000s)  of pages and never been asked to  refund one yet ;)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If you're not sure about what to do with a copyvio (or can't be bothered dealing with it), you can punt it to Copyright problems for a second opinion. MER-C 12:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

sir srry fr deleting deletion tag
sir srry fr deleting deletion tag and i urge u sir pthis plss do remove the tag coz i ws makin ma frnds biography and i ill never ever mke any fault in wiki pedia in my life....  thank u  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveaaron (talk • contribs) 12:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!
Cheers! ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 13:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP Talkback

 * Hey, Kudpung. Just saw this message as I was stalking a bit.  If you need help in a specific area or with a certain list of articles, let me know.  I'm have lots of time to use today.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  16:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

About Vandalism
Hello Kudpung! please check my userboxes on my user page, someone vandalized on it at userbox number five. I suddenly saw it and came here to tell you, thanks.--—Assassin'S Creed (talk) 05:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ → Σ  τ  c . 05:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Lists are all ✅ !

Manish Earth Talk • Stalk 11:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP Student and article lists
Thanks for uploading that list at Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program. I noticed that most of the related pages already on my watchlist are not there and I think it is because some of the ones in your list are, or have been turned into, redirects - with the target of the redirect being (also) of note. For example, 32 bit microprocessors (on your list) is just a redirect to Microprocessor (not on your list); Dual port RAM is a redirect to Dual-ported RAM, etc. RichardOSmith (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Richard, I'm  aware of this, but  it  would have been impossible to  sort through  those lists and check  every  entry. They  won't  do  any  harm  on  your watchlist as they  will  only  show if they  are edited. Redirects are important  to  keep  in case anyone turns them  back  into  articles (we've had this happen). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, the redirects should certainly be on the wishlist, but it's a shame some of the articles that ought to be getting checked will not be. There are over 700 pages to check, but I'm sure I can automate it. Give me a moment ... RichardOSmith (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The targets of the redirects need to be kept  too  because the blocked students have started vandalising  them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe this is the list of articles that you actually get when requesting the pages on your list. This list has fewer entries that yours because of some of the pages didn't actually exist, and some of the redirects are to the same target. It is a supplement to your list but will duplicate some of it. RichardOSmith (talk) 14:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * What do you think about all of the articles being marked with the undefined template or hidden category so that these lists can be live?  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  14:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on  this Richard. it's most appreciated. Some of the non existent  pages might  be deletions -  there have been quite a few, and some of the usernames may  also  be blocked socks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Any objection if I update your list with the combined list? RichardOSmith (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * These lists are for embedding into  watchlists only, but  as they  are complete, it  should be quite easy  to  run  a bot to ensure all  the article talk  pages have the project  project  templates on  their talk  pages. Bots need permission, but  it  could be done semi automatically  with  AWB. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll run the check sometime tomorrow or the day after. I'll also try to fetch the redirect pages. As for tagging the pages that pop up as a result, I'll probably do that, but I need permission from the BAG first.  Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 04:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Warning of Copyvios
Hey Kudpung. I've never had to repeatedly warn an editor about adding copyright violations. Generally, I just use undefined and the issue stops or the user is blocked. I'm not sure how I feel about leaving that single-issue warning to a student then asking that they be blocked for adding more copyrighted material but four warnings seems like far too many. What method do you use to warn students? Single-issue? 4 levels? I'd feel more confident about blocking if students responded to and acknowledged the warning but that's usually not what happens. Perhaps I'm giving students leeway that I wouldn't give a standard new editor.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  14:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've just deleted the user page you tagged. Four warnings a mix of any  kind from  copyvio, disruption  of other articles, and recreation  of deleted pages. The L4 warning  triggers a filter and some admins delete on  it.  Sometimes, depending  on  the gravity  of the situation, I'll  delete at  3 warnings. It's generally  immaterial whether the  user has responded to  the warnings or not. i'm  fairly  sure that  the IEP  students are challenged by  the language in  our TLDR templates and don't  understand the implications, but  that's not  our problem. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP help
Hey Kudpung, I will assist gladly in the cleanup as I have been doing previously also. I will also try to generate a raw watchlist for you. I wish I could do that right now, however, my semester exams are on and hence it is impossible for me to give time on Wikipedia. I shall again become extremely active after the 8th of November. Till then, please keep me updated as best you can. I do keep checking my talk page and my emails, so that once I am online from the 9th, I shall know exactly what needs to be done. --Debastein1 (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. The watchlist data was compiled and posted to  the IEP  talk  page earlier this evening. You  have a link  to  on  the message i sent you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

BLP:PROD
I apologize, I must not have clicked that button. Thanks for fixing that :D Gwickwire (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Composition/Improvisation Nos. 1, 2 & 3
Hi. I declined your G12 speedy on this, as after cutting out the copyvio there was (just) enough left to make an article. I have put a cclean on the talk page and will have a word with the author. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No problems with  that.  It  was such a massive copyvio I  couldn't  leave it  like it  was. But  it  looks fine now that  you  have tidied it  up. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Debastein1 (talk) 20:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: If you need help with editing, you can always ask me.
Thank you! I would really like to help out on Wikipedia. I joined a year ago, but stopped and only resumed editing on here two months ago. So I am quite "new". Stats mean a lot to me, but I'd rather know I'd made at least a teeny bit difference to Wikipedia and made it a better place at least by a little bit. My main goal on Wikipedia is not to be recognized for amazing edits and have super amazing stats, (of course it would be nice!) but to help expand this manual. I will certainly keep you in mind if I need help! Thank you! Pinkstrawberry02 ™ talk   —Preceding undated comment added 00:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC).

Notations 21 Project
Hello. This is my first time creating a totally new article, although I believe I have edited some years ago.

I posted what I currently have for Notations 21 Project, in the sandbox, as requested.

What would help most here to meet WP requirements? Would photos or videos from events that have taken place in Europe and North America help? Would a description of the principles behind the Project help? Since Notations 21 Project is a for-profit undertaking, is there a possibility it still can qualify for listing? It is truly an artistic, creative, and communication focus, not the typical self-promotion. But I understand the issue you have raised about promotion vs sharing information on a significant entity (organization, person, object).

Thank you!

David Alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opalcomp (talk • contribs) 14:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi David. All  organisations, including  not-for-profit, must  meet our criteria at  WP:NOTABILITY, WP:GNG (general notability  guidelines),   and WP:ORG for organisations). Notablity  must  be asserted by  referenced to  independent  reliable third-party  sources. I  know it's a lot  to  read, but  I'm  afraid that's the downside of being  the encyclopedia  anyone can contribute to. If your draft  can meet these criteria, please ask  me again to  review it  for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Freshman question
Hi- My name is Leslie Fleming and I am a freshman at Clemson University. For my english class we were asked to create or edit a wikipedia page. If you have time I would love if you could look over what I have started in my sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lflemin/Homestead_High_School_(Mequon,_Wisconsin)_sandbox

Thanks so much! Lflemin (talk) 15:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'd be happy too. Please allow me 24 hours due to  my  time zone. In  the meantime please read WP:TPG. :)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I see you  have already  asked one editor  for help. I'm  sure Niki  will  provide all  you need. For schools, do  be sure to  read WP:WPSCH -  you'll  find all  you  need there, and if you  still  have quetions, see WP:WPSCH/H. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * What Nikki  has not  mentioned, is that  Wikipedia articles must  be neutral - you'll  need to  remove the mission statement as such  sections are considered spammy. You'll  also  need an infobox. Do check also out  WP:WPSCH/AG, and to  get  some ideas have a look  at  some school  articles I have written such  as Hanley Castle High School (my  old school), and  Malvern College (a WP:Good Article). Note however, that  in  the UK,  school sports are not  considered as important  as in  the USA,  most  emphasis is on  academic study.   --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, great! Thank you so much for you assistance and time!

Lflemin (talk) 16:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

John Brunner (Businessman)
You deleted a page entitled "John Brunner (Businessman)" with the reason being that there was no explanation of his importance. The article clearly stated he is a major player in manufacturing field as the leader of Vi-Jon--a company that has been in his family for years. Furthermore, it goes on to point out not only his business background, but his political aspirations as well. He is currently seeking a Senate seat in the state of Missouri. I'd like to know why the post was deleted, and how I can get it restored as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Hugh — Preceding unsigned comment added by HughSprow (talk • contribs) 17:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hugh, One of the downsides of being 'the encyclopedia anyone can edit' is that  there are many policies to  be observed that  govern the inclusion  of articles. Anyone can edit, but we cannot  have an article about  everyone and everything. The article was deleted under two separate sections of policy:

‎1. Criteria for speedy deletion, section A7: "No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)". The governing policies for this are:General  Notability  Guidelines, Biographies of living persons, and Notability  criteria for politicians. In addition  to  which, reliable, independent third party sources, such as significant  coverage in  the established media, are required as   inline links to footnotes,  that  clearly  support all  claims and assert notabilitty.

2. Criteria for speedy deletion, section G11 "Promotes an entity, person or product and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic".Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and cannot be used for advertising, promotion, or political  campaigning.(Wikiêdia: Advertising  and promotion).

Images: As you are neither  the artist, creator, photographer, nor otherwise copyright  holder of the image in  the article, this cannot  be used without  the express permission  from  the image creator, releasing  it  from  copyright. To do  this,  the copyright  holder must  personally  identify by  email  by  following  exactly  the instructions at  Contact us/Photo submission.

I know it all  sounds very  complicated, but  our policies and instructions are quite  easy  to  follow. If you are able to  comply  with  the requirements and sources for notability, you  are welcome to  recreate the article in  your Wikipedia sandbox, and as soon  as it  is ready  for publication  complete with  references, let  me know and I will  move it  to  mainspace for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

OrangeTee.com
Hi Kudpung, may I know exactly which part of the content about OrangeTee.com Pte Ltd violates your regulation of non-promotion? Before I create the article, I have read through the articles for other companies in the same industry, e.g. CBRE, Knight Frank. I think that what I described are just the facts about the company, such as the number of staff, history and services. I would appreciate that if you can point out the content that violate your regulations. Thank you very much.Dc0701 (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please click  all the blue links in  this message for more details. An  article about  a company that  mainly  only  lists facts without  demonstrating  its importance, looks like an entry  on  a B2B trade directory. See: WP:NOTABILITY. Trade directories and Yellow Pages exist only  to  promote an organisation's products or services. It  may  not  need to  look  like an advertisement, but  the ultimate goal is the same -  see WP:NOTDIR. The purpose of an encyclopedia is not to  make anything  more widely  known; its purpose is to be a repository  of information of special  interest for those who  may want  to  look  something  up.  Importance must  be asserted by  references to  articles about  the organisation  in  the established media - see WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. If  your company  meets the  criteria in  these policies especially at  WP:ORG, then it  can have an article; however, the fact that other companies have articles may  not  help.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Your sysop criteria
So your criteria completely wipes out the possibility of a reformed vandal from 2006 that learned from their mistakes and contributed contructively for 4 years or a good faith editor that did a little mistake for a NAC. I suggest that for your criteria, you have like a time period, like 1 or 2 years since last warning, or things like that. You could be opposing a editor that happens to be vital for the future of Wikipedia (less drama please, so that would be good to have.)   Ebe 123   → report ← Contribs 00:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that he states that he "usually never follows the criteria" (or something along those lines). → Σ  τ  c . 01:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct - and  plenty  of examples prove it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Ebe, are you starting  a conversation  or an argument? (I  know English isn't  your first  language). That's probably  why  I  may  have appeared dismissive of your previous comment :)  Let's put it this way: 6 years, 40,000 edits, voted on 142 RfA with 91.7% accuracy, reviewed 100s of others,  founder and coordinator of the WP:RFA2011 project, and one of the firm  supporters of  WP:RRN, all probably  qualifies me to  vote on  RfA without needing  suggestions that  I  should change my  criteria.  I  also have zero  tolerance for drama mongering. It  also  takes me about  one hour to  research  and make up  my  mind before casting  a vote. Another criteria that  is not  listed, is that  it's interesting  to  note that  newbies who  have an I want to  be an admin UBX, are probably least  likely  to  be nominated - adminship  is not  a trophy  or a goal  to  be achieved -  and I  encourage them  to keep  editing  and wait  a while before they even dream  of wanting  the mop. What  I  look  for above all  else in  a candidate is maturity - although  there are no  age limits, there is ample proof that very  young admins are likely  to  derail. We  have a tiny  number of younger admins, and they  act in  such  a grown up  manner, and display  such  sound judgement that  it  is impossible to  know from  their work that  they  are minors. That  said, we have plenty  of grown-up  admins who  behave like children! You  can see how you  voted at  RfA here and how I  voted here, Rather than discuss my criteria, why  don't  we talk about those of other people, and perhaps about  yours? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Mattlore (talk) 04:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what kills the project, Kudpung. Good long-serving editors who do extraordinary work getting improperly heavied by administrators. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Did I CSD it  or PROD it or something? When I  do  NPP I'm  not likely  to  check  up on  every  editor's history when I  come across a new page like that. A more detailed investigation  would be to  discover why  the page was at  NPP  in  the first  place. Please AGF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I do assume your good faith. But you've wrongly heavied a good editor by threatening to strip his autopatrolled right. Fine, we make mistakes. But to take your own words: "Perhaps you could consider" apologising, and "Happy patrolling". --Mkativerata (talk) 05:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did that  before I  needed your extra message. I  wonder who is the quicker to  criticise .--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Reinstatement
Meets WP:ANYBIO and BLPPROD.

could you wait a while before deletion of the article Kaichen qiu, so that i can find better references. I'm using these references right now, so my article doesn't get deleted under the no references template. I only need ~3-4 days, (he is from stockholm) if i can't find anything by then, then i'll delete the article myself with (db-g7). Please respond. Sorry.

By the way, is it possible to use  tags or drop-boxes to hide images/text, which can then be opened by clicking a  tab. I've been testing this on sandbox for a while and i've seen it in a few wiki articles a while back.

Yours, Edgar131 (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Kudpung, he's created this blatant hoax again and has already attempted once to remove the speedy template. See Kaichen Qiu. The references are completely bogus. Salt all the various permutations of the title? Voceditenore (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy removed a second time by an account created five minutes ago. See Special:Contributions/Seed1734 Voceditenore (talk) 09:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a related SPI at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Trowla. → Σ  τ  c . 00:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up Σ. I've just  had my  breakfast and I  haven't checked my  watchlist  yet. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Scmsa
Me again. Can you look at User talk:Scmsa and the edit history of Suez Canal Medical Students' Association (SCMSA). They are repeatedly removing the maintenace tags, clearly have a conflict of interest and user name to match, and just don't get it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, another admin blocked them. I'm going to wait a few days and then AfD it if there's no coverage provided. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, beat  me to  it  by  a few seconds. I've CSD'd it A7. If another admin deletes it, that's good enough. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Steven Zhang The clock is ticking....  12:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP help
Hi -- I can tell from your posts at the IEP page that you're a very experienced new page patroller, so I thought you would be a good person to ask this question. I am a long-time editor here, but have never done new page patrolling or checking for copyright problems in any systematic way. It sounds as though there is a substantial amount of work still to be done to clean up after the IEP, and from what I can gather from the discussions involving you, Voceditenore, Blade of the Northern Lights, CalliopeJen1, MER-C, Danger, and others, there is going to be a separate effort to go through every contribution, and you want this done by editors familiar with the appropriate tools. I have to say I wasn't quite clear on what the plan is or what the tools are going to be, since I've not done NPP.

I'd really like to help out with this effort. Can you point me to a page where I can learn about the NPP tools, so that I can contribute? Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike. Thank you  enormously  for offering  to  patrol pages. The main  page, which  is a quasi tutorial,  is at  WP:New Pages Patrol and lists tools and scripts that  can be used.   The main  tools are WP:Twinkle that  gives quick  access to  deletion and warning  templates (in  the case of CSD and PROD/BLPPROD it  also  automatically  places the notice on  the user's talk  page),and the duplication  detector (explained on  the NPP  page). The hub  of the action  is at Special:Newpages. You may  also  need to  brush  up  on  WP:DELETION, WP:CSD, and WP:PROD & WP:BLPPROD. If  you  have any  further questions, don't  hesitate to  ask. Happy  patrolling! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- that's just what I was looking for. I'll dig in over the next few days, and will come back if I have questions. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm just starting to take a look now. This is remarkably different to the work I'm used to doing here; my reflex when I see a page like Aragon middle school (CFISD) is to either improve it or ignore it, but here my job is to evaluate it. I took a look at WP:SCHOOLS to see what guidance there was on notability and it indicates that secondary schools are generally notable, so I've marked it as patrolled.

I'm not a big fan of tagging articles -- I understand the reasons to do it but I think it's discouraging to editors; it's better to interact with them personally than to tag their articles. Do you feel that I really need to tag articles such as this is having no sources, or is it OK just to mark it as patrolled and move on?

Also, when I've patrolled a few articles, could I ask you to look through the log of the ones I've patrolled and let me know if I've made any mistakes? Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:51, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike. No one, especially the creators are a fan of tagging, but  unfortunately,  it's something  that  has do  be done. Tagging  pages is, and can be, a controversial  and contentious experience. Many people believe in  good faith  that  patrollers should stop and rewrite, copyedit, add references and make a near perfect stub before tagging. In  reality, if our patrollers did all that,  especially  on  the pages at  the front  of the list, we would end up  with  a huge backlog. We  have 1,000 - 1,500 new pages arriving  every  24 hours; bearing  in  mind that  for several  hours yesterday there was only  one (1)  patroller working, and that  at  the best  of times there are only  around eight (8), you'll  understand the need for prioritising  some of the actions that  patrollers are expected to  take.   WP:BEFORE tagging is the best  guideline to  follow, but  it isn't  policy. Article pages, if tagged,  must  be tagged with  templates, IMHO best  done with  WP:Twinkle. If articles are not  referenced they  must be tagged -  referencing to  reliable sources is the single most  important  core policy  of Wikipedia "verifiability, not truth..."


 * You may  wish  to  familiarise yourself with  the text  of templates, Cleanup  templates and User talk  templates  provide you  with  an overview, but  most  of these are rarely  used; maintenance templates can be applied by  anyone at  any  time, even a registered reader..A page   I  don't generally  provide a link  to, but  that  would be helpful  to  an experienced editor  yourself is my  personal  collection of notes, links, and and tools that  I  have made and accumulated over the years in  the collapesebox section Pandora's box. The pretty  tables of links have been 'borrowed' from  other users, I  suggest you  choose one that  is most  apt and 'borrow'  it  yourself. The main  priority  for  using article tags on  new pages are, in  order: CSD, PROD, COPYVIO, NOT ENGLISH, the various kinds of 'no references', the various kinds of 'clean up' (mostly  only  a general  one is used). Twinkle groups the maintenance tags into  areas, the main ones  for NPP thus being: verifiability  and sources' 'neutrality, bias, and factual  accuracy', and 'Referencing  technique', and 'general  clean up'.


 * The deletion tags all leave an automatic message on  the editors talk  page. Necessary user warnings can be applied with  Twinkle, and the Twinkle interface permits a preview of the template message and the possibility of inclusion an additional  text. This is useful if you  wish  to  add a personal  not,. Some of these templates are still  to  bitey and we're currently making  great   strides to  rewrite the wost  of them; I often go  back  and reedit  them  when I  have posted and saved them.


 * Many patrollers tag  too  fast, a tool  we have for monitoring  their work  may  be of fleeting  interest  to  you. I  don't  think it's possible to  do  all  the recommended tasks on  a new article in  less than about  three minutes, and that's my  average, but  if you  start  unrzvelling  a complex copyvio, it  can take as much  as an hour (some articles are pieced together with  sentences from  multiple sources).  If  the duolication  detector reports more than around  75% of article text  coming  from  one source, I  generally  tag  it  CSD for copyvio, and leave it  at  that, but  it  depends on  what  you  believe the creator's motive was in  pasting  that  article -  I  have little sympathy  for spammers and autobiographers (such  as book  authors who  have pasted their reviews, or jacket  note. Some copyvios are opinion  pieces or political  propoganda that  should be deleted anyway.


 * I realise all  this sound very  complicated, but  in  fact  NPP  draws youngsters and raw newbies like a magnet because they  don't  even need a user right  to  do  it. Some of them  do  an excellent  job, others make headaches for us. I keep  a careful  eye on  all patrolling,  and I'll point  out  anything  you  get  wrong. Don't  hesitate to  ask  me anything  else. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's an example of what not to do.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  03:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * And by an  admin, egad!  If  the thing  is a hoax, it's a hoax -  ONE  template would do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I can see that many of the tags are necessary and valuable -- obviously an article with a problem that may require it to be deleted, or part of it to be removed, has to be tagged. I think the ones that worry me most are the ones that indicate an article could be improved or cleaned up. Marking an article as a stub seems to me to be the best way to do this -- the tags have a negative impact on new editors and I think should only be added for a real need; if the need is that the various cleanup projects have to be able to navigate to these articles to improve them, surely marking them as stubs is good enough? I would mind less if the improvement tags were invisible except as categories. I can see that tags referring to copyvios should be highly visible, and of course anything relating to a deletion process must be too. I also don't mind tagging a page if the problem prevents the page being useful at all -- e.g. Not English seems a reasonable tag.

However, I fully understand that I can't just do NPP my way; I need to do it the way the community thinks it should be done. So would it be OK if I don't use the tags that refer to unreferenced articles or poorly referenced articles, so long as I believe the articles are on notable topics and contain material that could be sourced, even if the current sourcing is poor or missing? And is it OK if I don't use the cleanup tags that indicate things such as wikification, deadend, walled garden, and so on; nor the general cleanup tag? Or would this be harmful, in your opinion? In each case I would do my best to add categories and an appropriate stub class, which I hope will serve a similar purpose. What do you think?

I'm assuming, by the way, that there are no versions of these tags that are invisible except as categories. If there are, then of course I'd opt to use those. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (Incidentally, I don't mind talkback templates, but I'm pretty diligent about keeping talk pages on my watchlist, so they're optional in my case.) Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I share your opinion about the cleanup tags that indicate things such as wikification, deadend, walled garden, and so on and I  have never understood the policy and/or need concerning  the 'orphan' tag -  plenty  of my  own  creations are probably  orphans.I  see a lot  of totally  unnecessary  use of the 'Wikify' tag, especially  on  extremely  short stubs that  have nothing  to  wikify (I think  this is done by  patrollers in  a misplaced attempt to  boost their edits count). I  do  however exercise a strict  personal  interpretation  of our core policy  for sourcing, and feel  it  is essential  to use  'noref',  'refimprove',  'onesource' and 'Primary' tags. (+) It's also  important  to  remove any  inappropriate EL When patrolling, I  always check  any  citations for reliability  and pertinence and tag  as accurately  as possible, without  using  different  tags with  overlapping semantics. Stub  templates do  not  necessarily  resolve any  problems, AFAIK not many  people work  through any  backlogs on the stub categories. All  tags have a dual  purpose: to  notify  the author, and to  invite any  other editors and readers to  carry out any  improvements. Readers, especially, will  not  be familiar with,  or aware of meta departments such  as invisible categories or what  stubs actually  are,  or any  other categories for that  matter. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * +: Not all of them at  once of course -  the most  appropriate one or two  are amply  sufficient to  draw attention  to  the need of (more) refs. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, there's more we agree on there -- I agree that inappropriate ELs should be removed, and I agree on checking citations for reliability. I'll think some more about the remaining tags -- primary, no refs, improve refs, and single source -- and see if I can come back here with a coherent comment.  It's not that I disagree about what the tags assert; I'm just not sure the benefit to editors who work on those backlogs is enough to outweigh the negative impact on readers and, particularly, new editors.


 * By the way, I liked your piece in the Signpost; very considered, given the stress that you and the other patrollers were placed under by the IEP. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I could have said a lot more but I did enough ranting on the talk pages. The basic problem is that while the WMF does what  they  do in the best  of good faith,  and its members are experts in their own fields, there is no clear allocation of responsibilities or delegation of tasks and hence what  they  all do ether overlaps too much, or conversely lacks  communication and coordination. It's also  a team  of relatively  young  people, and they  appear to  have little experience of pure management  of large quasi-corporate organisations. Wales should be in  the office, but  by  choice, (a bit  like when Jobs left  Apple for several  years and during  his absence it  nearly  went  on  the rocks) his professional  interests lie elsewhere and  he has no  executive powers. They're learning, but  it  seems to  be a slow empirical  curve. Back  to  NPP: We  don't  need to agree on  everything, most  of the mature editors interpret the policies and guidelines their way in  good faith  to  the benefit  of the project; as one of the  major players in  the development  of the BLPPROD, a monumental  RfC and series of RfCs,that  also discussed many  aspects of these tagging  policies, I  tend to  go  with  the consensus whether it  is a consensus of decision or a tacit one of practice and precedent. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Wish it were real

 * Actually I  was drinking  G&T  from  the duty  free on  the Lao border (just  up  the road from  here), spiced with  fresh  mint and root ginger from  my  garden ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Special:UserRights/Philip_Baird_Shearer
Hello, Kudpung. I was wondering why you added all of the user-rights to another admin's account. Aren't all these included in the admin "package"? Cheers, — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 04:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * For some reason, possibly a software glitch that  I  don't  knoiw how to  fix, they  weren't  automaticallyincluded in  the bundle when he was given admin  rights. For more information, see his user rights log, and the archived thread on this talk  page. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at the discussion, I don't really understand what the problem is. Even though your autopatrolled, doesn't the page appear in new pages anyways? — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 05:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but an autopatrolled user's new page does not have yellow highlight. → Σ  τ  c . 05:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't, and that's the whole idea of the autopatrolled right,  it  should not  appear on  special:new pages at  all -  it's to  help  relieve the work  of the patrollers, because the creators are trusted users. Unlike other 'rights', autopatrolled is not  a trophy  to  be 'awarded', it's purely  a meta function, issued on  discretion  of the admins to  iusers who  have created a minumum of 50 clean articles. We  can do  this anytime, and the user doesn't  even strictly  need to  know that  he's been given it. We can also  remove the right  just  as easily  if the user is abusing  it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW,I know of other admins who  don't  have autopatrolled rights (one mass produces unreferenced stubs -  so  it's probably  a good thing), but  those admins were promoted a very  long  time ago (pre 2006), possibly before the site software was upgraded for admin to  include all those rights.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mmm, ok. — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 05:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Umm, I'm confused!
... by this! It seems to have been moved to where it already was, and my added bits have disappeared in the process! I wanted to add there that I have respectfully suggested that the editor who posted the comment (reference to which has disappeared) should strike out that comment. I feel that his suggestion of wrongdoing there is certeinaly uncivil, not assuming good faith on my (and others') part(s), and bordering on a personal attack on me and others. Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 09:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm so  sorry (I  had two  different  RfA2011 pages open. I'll  move it  back. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! It doesn't take much to confuse me, these days!  Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 09:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Survey
So about your revert on my talk page. The survey was there, and I already filled it out. Could you explain why and how? Ebe 123  → report ← Contribs 12:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a fake survey masquerading  as a survey  by  the WP:WMF. The user has been blocked, and we are doing  a clean up. Sorry  that  we were too  late  to  prevent  you  from  doing  the survey. I hope that  your IP  number has not  been compromised. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a little bit of an overstatement Kudpung. It was a good faith error, by a user who did not realise the consequences. He's been unblocked, and all information (including IP addresses) on the site has been surpressed by a WMF employee. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

CopyVio
Hello, I found this article to be a copyright violation. The entire text has been copy pasted from Database System Concepts by Henry Korth, S Sudarshan, Abraham Silbershatz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Query_optimization. --Mihir.khatwani (talk) 01:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out  Mihir. This appears to  be a very  old Wikipedia article dating  from  2005. I'm  looking  into  it, and I  might  get  back  to  you  again later for  your help  on  this; --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at  this. It's a very  old article that  was created in  2005. Can you  let me know how you know it  is a copyvio? Have you  got a copy  of the book - is it in  your university  library? What  is the page number? What  is the ISBN of the book? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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RfA Reform
Please bring this up for discussion at some point. I happen to believe it's a great idea and one that needs to be explored. I happen to feel that there are certain individuals who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of RfA. Also, I've compiled number from a sample week at AIV. Will break the numbers down tomorrow, my vision is doubling when I try to look at them tonight. Trusilver 06:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There are indeed certain individuals who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of RfA. We've discussed these problems at length at WP:RFA2011, but we're not really closer to a solution other than what I suggested at AN/I. Feel free to post your thoughts at WT:RFA2011.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Status
Hey there--how have you made the flashing Status icon at the top of your page? I like it! N·worsn (parlez-moi) 14:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk  page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Issue
Hey. I mentioned this incident here before and was attempting to engage the admin regarding his edit but I feel that I'm being ignored. If it were a non-admin, I'd just make a change and move along. As it's an admin, I'm not sure it's something I should just let go. Any suggestions?  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  17:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, yes. I did look at  it  before and I do feel  that  it  is unnecessary  overtagging. However, the user has been an admin  since 2008, when RfA was different. They  appear to  have possibly  little experience in  maintenance areas or to  not  be up to date with  various new policies and guidelines. It  seems to  be an isolated incident (unless you  have seen a pattern), so  I  would be inclined to  AGF and let it  go. Let  me know if you  think  otherwise. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * My first reaction was to check and see how often they had done that sort of thing. I didn't find a single similar case but also didn't find where they had tagged any article in that day.  It's such a small thing and even stacking it with ignoring an inquiry isn't that big of a deal but I don't feel that admins should be doing either let alone both.  I'll look and see if it's actually something I think is substantially affecting WP and report back if I do.  I doubt that will be the case, though.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  18:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Check the user's contribs, and patrol  logs. There is a very  remote possibility that  if this is not  their regular editing  habit, the account may  have been compromised and they  are not  aware of it. Such things can happen occasionally, for example,  when a parent or a sibling  leaves their home computer logged into  Wikipedia, and other family  members get  hold of it - it  can happen in  the office too. (keeping  Wikipedia in  order involves a lot  of detective work!). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I love detectiving!  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  19:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, they patrol lots of pages but almost never make an edit to the pages they patrol. I've found a few other pages where they may excessively tag articles (not with 12 like the last example) but I'm still not sure that it warrants action.  I checked back to October 10th and found these two: .  They mark some pages as patrolled that I would scrutinize but I think that's part of a larger problem related to NPP than a single editor.  I think it's important to note that they haven't over-tagged any articles since I left the message but they tag so infrequently that it might not mean not be because of me.  I'm basically feel the same as before.  I see issues but probably not enough to rock the boat over.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  19:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you  use this tool for  keeping  an eye on  what's going  on  at  NPP? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * When checking, I went through the logs linked from that page. I sometimes watch it and take note if someone patrols 12 pages in 2 minutes while I'm patrolling.  I usually start paying attention while I'm patrolling to see if someone patrols a substantial number of pages at less than 2 minutes per page.  I know it doesn't always indicate a problem as I myself patrolled ~10 redirects in a matter of seconds but I think it's still worth watching.  In short, yes I watch it.  I haven't used the other linked tools besides the AfD Stats tool there, though.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  19:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * FYI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Saw that. Unless there's some kind of backlash, I doubt further action would be needed.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  20:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi both. I had a look at that article and frankly I think it has a high probability of being made up. If indeed this is a word for "a concept underlying the social fabric of traditional communities in north-eastern Vanuatu". Then it ought to have more coverage. There's virtually nothing and the one mention I found claims it means something completely different. The reference is potentially bogus—an "in press" book. I googled the author and his amateur web site. I'm going to do a bit more sleuthing, but am probably going to take it to AfD. Voceditenore (talk) 05:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Back from Wikibreak
Hey Kudpung,

My exams got over and hence I am back from WP:Wikibreak. Will need sometime to get updated as to what exactly happened. Saw there was a CCI also. In the mean time, if you need any help searching for copyvios or anything related to IEP, please inform me, and I will see what I can do asap.

Regards, --Debastein1 (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Helping out with problems with student editors in India
Hello Kudpung,

I've read about the India situation with great sadness, and your comments in The Signpost seemed very perceptive to me. Annie Lin from the Wikimedia Foundation has asked me to help out, and I admit that I've been intimidated by the scale of the problem, so have procrastinated. I have no previous experience with systematically looking for copyright violations. I am wondering if you could give me a few tips about how I could be helpful in cleaning up the messes. Thank you for whatever guidance you can offer.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  18:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've left you some tips at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Voceditenore. I've been plowing through Indian student articles for a few hours now, and have a headache. Fortunately, many of the articles on obscure (and non-notable) computer programming topics have been redirected to more comprehensive and stable articles monitored by qualified editors.   Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328   Let's discuss it  02:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA reform
I'll catch up on the threads and offer more input. The past week hasn't been great for time.  Maxim (talk)  01:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

USEP discussion
I know you only became involved with the IEP via NPP, but since the US programme also may impact both NPP and the rest of the community, I thought you might be interested in this discussion. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I assume you would prefer a talkback, since you use them yourself -- let me know if that's not the case. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Strange Rollback
Hi Kudpung,I have a problem.Could you please help me to solve this?
 * I can see rollback links beside a user's contributions sometimes(Not always),even though I am not a rollbacker?
 * I use Twinkle;but the fact is that;Twinkle doesn't show rollback beside a user's contribs.
 * Why does this happen?Even though I had applied in WP:RFP/R before,but they were declined.
 * I'm very confused in this.Please reply soon.Best,<font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  15:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Dipankan. I'm afraid I  can't  answer that -  it's a question  for someone with  technical  knowledge. All  I  can say  is that  it's most  likely a bug  in  whatever operates the inline rollback links.   Twinkle strictly  concerns the dropdown menus which  function  on  javascript for tagging  and warning . Although you  don't  have the rights, try  using  the rollback  in  a VERY  appropriate situation, and see what  happens. Otherwise, post  your query  at  the Village pump tech. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a Twinkle option to add Rollback links to user contribution pages - see Twinkle/Preferences - I'd guess that's switched on -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How come that's possible for someone without rollback  rights? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Twinkle doesn't use the real Rollback - it uses its own machinations, which just happen to be given the same name -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This was not what I wanted.And I have said before sometimes;and not always.By the way may I contact Swarm for the issue?Swarm has good knowledge about rollback.Please suggest.Best,<font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  13:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "21:12, 21 December 2012 (diff | hist) Foobar (talk | contribs) Main Page ( bytes) (I edited the main page!) (top) [­rollback­]", or something completely different? → Σ  τ  c . 22:10, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry,but the links do not appear like that;it shows as [<font size=3 font color=blue>Rollback ] [<font size=3 font color=red>Rollback(VANDAL) ]<font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  05:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Re: "And I have said before sometimes;and not always", if it's the Twinkle one that I'm thinking of, it depends on whether each edit is the latest one on the article - if it is still the latest you get the Rollback link, and if it isn't you don't -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's a bug in the software;although I'm not sure.Especially,when I visit a admin's contribs or a rollbacker's contributions,I can see the links.I don't see any rollback links in a confirmed user.Will I ask about this to Jimbo Wales?<font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  05:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't  think  Jimbo  will  be very  interested. Firstly  he has no  real powers and his role is mainly  representative (like a non-executive president or the the Queen., Secondly, MediaWiki  has a team  of professional  programmers and debuggers, thirdly, the first  places to  ask  are at  WT:Twinkle and the WP:TECHPUMP, and if those fail and it  seems to  clearly  be a bug  in  the site software, as a last  resort a report  should be filed at WP:BUGS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That example looks similar to the way I see the Twinkle links on diff pages (although the word "rollback" is all lower case for me). On contrib pages it look like "[<font color="#007FFF">rollback ] [ vandalism ]", while the normal rollback links look like "[­rollback­]". So if I have both rollback and Twinkle, I see "[­rollback­][<font color="#007FFF">rollback ] [ vandalism ]" (but only for entries tagged as (top)). Are you using any other automated/vandalism/etc tools? Also, can you give us links to one contrib page where you see the rollback links and one where you don't? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the same thing as Boing! said Zebedee, on any user's contribs page.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Jasper, you've got rollback rights. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, what Dipankan is seeing is the set of rollback links built in Twinkle. If you disable them in TWPREFS, they will appear if "Could not load twinkleoptions.js" appears at the top of the page. → Σ  τ  c . 06:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Re:Nonetheless, what Dipankan is seeing is the set of rollback links... If it is mentioned as could not load Twinkle options.js,then the whole Twinkle software does not work,it is disabled for some time.That means,Not only reverting,but features like ARV,Welcome user,Speedy deletion,PROD,RPP etc are all disabled.I don't know why this happens.<font color="#007FFF">That's me! <font color="#BE0032">Have doubt?  <font color="#007FFF">Track me!  14:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

See: WP:RBK. If I remember rightly  it  only  takes about  5 minutes to  read. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that will help, because it's almost certainly not the MediaWiki Rollback feature that we're seeing here -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I had the Twinkle "Rollback" links before I had MediaWiki Rollback -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok,the problem is solved.Now,I've got rollback rights.and I've disabled the rollback feature in Twinkle.You may check at my user rights page.

Renaming user
Hey, Kudpung, Can you provide me some support or info regarding renaming my username. I have a username as a doppleganger account i.e. user:debastein and I want everything in this account to be moved to that, i.e. I want to change user:debastein1 to user:debastein, cause when I own both the accounts, the 1 just looks silly. Can you help me out with some info at least?? --Debastein1 (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See: Changing username/Assistance. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA reply
Kudpung: Hi Saeed.

Saeed: Hi Kudpung.

Kudpung: Are you still around?

Saeed: I found a job and stopped Wikipedia 2 month ago.

Kudpung: I have a small favour to ask you based on the graph you  made that  was featured in  the Signpost  last  year. —Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Saeed: I'd like to hear that, and love to help you. I prefer recieving e-mail on Saeed.veradi at gmail dot com. I check mail every day, and Wikipedia every month. — Saeed (Talk) 18:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

name changes
Thanks for your message at User talk:JamesBWatson. Answered there. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Lingua ac Communitas
Hi Kudpung: I presume you will also be proposing the deletion of many other journals, such as Linguistics (journal)? (talk) 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm generally only interested in  articles  I  come across when patrolling  new pages and implementing deletion  policy. However, as you  have mentioned it, Linguistics (journal) appears to  have escaped our  patrollers' attention (we are currently  under staffed). You  may  also find some interesting  background to  our deletion policy  at  WP:OTHERSTUFF.  If  you  are able to  provide the required reliable sources that  would assert notability per WP:JOURNAL, the deletion  debate would be almost  sure to  have a favourable closure. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your speedy reply. I will critically look at the journal I mentioned ( Linguistics (journal)) and other journals in the field and see whether they fail to meet the standard. (talk) 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. When Wikipedia was founded, rules for inclusion were made and criteria wee set for different  kinds of articles. Articles about  journals are relatively  easy  to  assess, but  the downside is that  although they  may  be notable in the true sense, if the required kind of sources cannot  be found to  prove it then the article cannot  be kept. Don't  hesitate to  ask  me if you  would like further help, or pointing  to  any  other of our 1,000s of pages of policy. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Universityuser has copied the AfD note to a whole load of other articles (without creating an AfD page, listing it, etc). In addition, several unreferenced/notability tags were put on a whole load of articles (most of them unwarranted). It's a pain going through all of this by hand, can a sysop like you do a general rollback of a users last couple a dozen edits (this behavior clearly is pointy and disruptive)? --Crusio (talk) 14:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Love too, but it's late here and I'm  just  off to  bed. But it  doesn't  need admin  rights. If  you  use twinkle you  will  have a roll  back button in  the page histpries or you  can use the 'undo'. Do  pur a polte notice on  the user's tp about  what  you  are doing -  if he's amenable, he may  be prepared to  do  it  himself.  II've seen what  he did and I'm  sure he was acting  in  GF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am trying to apply the directives consistently. Presuming that Kudpung's remarks are correct, the same applies to the other journals I selected. (talk), 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are, but  you  should try  to  look  for references first. Tthe actual process of placing  those templates is complex if you  try  to  do it  manually, because there are several  extra steps involved if you  don't  have WP:Twinkle automation installed. Please see: Articles for deletion for, the various registration steps and templates involved that  must  be placed on  various pages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see on the discussion page that you agree with deleting the AfD if the references (such as Husserl Studies, Problems of Sustainable Development and Problemy Ekorozwoju, mentioned by Cnilep) can be added. Could you tell me how I could add these (or add them yourself, if that is easy for you to do)? (talk), 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The page at WP:CITE will  tell  you  all  you  need to  know about  adding  references. However, you  may  wish  to  discuss it  with  Crilep. Note that  we do  not  delete AfD discussions -  they  run  for 7 days and are then assessed and archived by  a non involved administrator. If you  add references to  the article, please mention  it  on  the discussion  page, and it  will  be taken into  consideration.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of the references mentioned by Cnilep have been integrated. (talk) 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, what justifies the presence of (e.g.) Neuroscience Letters (why is it a renowned journal)? In the case of this journal I find no more information than in cases that are excluded for being insignificant. (talk) 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Check out the WikiProject Academic Journals, you should find all you need in there. It's run by Crusio. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hello. If you could please provide me with a copy of Taelah Bowater I would appreciate it. I am trying to guide this user in the right direction and I could help them, fact is I just need to see their work. Thanks, <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#FF2400" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 20:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I  can't  do  that -  it  would violate our policy of non  disclosure of deleted material to  non authorised users. If the creator wishes to  request a copy, and if on  examination  the request seems reasonable, the article can userfied or  emailed to  them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh. Okay. I was just looking to guide this user to other places of the Internet where they would feel welcome. Not help them here. By the sounds of things I really don't think they want to contribute. I understand. X this. <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#FF2400" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 13:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If you take a very  careful  look  at  the comment  I  left  on  the user's talk  page, you  will  see that  they are perfectly  welcome here - within the rules. BTW there is no  need to  strike previous messages -  they  are still  relevant  because they  have been answered. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay. Thanks for letting me know. I think we can bag this conversation. Warm regards, <font color="#004730" face="Trebuchet MS">Beluga <font color="#FF2400" face="Trebuchet MS">boy ''cup of tea? 21:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Spidey665
Hello

Just to let you know, you may wish to take a look at Spidey 665's talk page under the name hide section, he's feeling that you were rude to him before. I've responded the best I can.--5 albert square (talk) 01:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi 5AS. Spidey  is just  being  exasperating. I'm  generally  as patient  with the most  intractable of  kids as the kindest  of users and sysops (as my  history  will  demonstrate). If  he wasn't  a kid I  would have blocked his talk  page long  ago. I'm  firmly  of the opinion  that  this is a severe case of lack  of maturity, and while mentoring  may  teach  him  the ins and outs of editing, it  won't teach him  to  grow up -  and it's not  our job to be educators even if, like me, in  real  life we are. I've said nothing  more and nothing  less too  him  than his class teacher would have said. I  would firmly oppose any  further unblock  requests, but  in  deference to  Spidey, I  wouldn't  want  to  be seen as being  'involved'. I  just  happen to  have his tp and edits on  my  10,000+ watchlist.  Spidey  is only  here for social  networking at  a MySpace level. Thanks enormously for your support  and chiming in,  however  IMHO,  I  think we're all wasting  our time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Need Help
Hello Kudpung, can you please delete the following page Yeh Tera Ghar Yeh Mera Gharr. This is a made up title of a series which never aired on STAR One or any other Indian channel. I have been watching this channel since its launch and I have also searched on the Net, there is no news article to be found on this title. However, there was a 2001 Bollywood movie named Yeh Teraa Ghar Yeh Meraa Ghar. I will greatly appreciate your help. Thank you! Survir (talk) 02:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Extremely busy  right  now, give me an hour or so and I'll  do  whatever has to  be done. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Survir. I've done it already. It  was nothing  complicated. It's actually  something  you  can easily  do  yourself after looking for possible sources. See what  I  have done, follow the links in  the PROD notice, then read WP:PROD, and possibly  also  WP:DELETION  and WP:NOTABILITY if you  haven't  done so  already. The next  time, you'll  be able to  do  this yourself, but  don't  hesitate to  ask  me if you  need help  or advice. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Kudpung, first of all, thank you very much for your help. Now user ClubOranje left a message with a hyperlink associated to this particular television series on my talk page that this series does air and it is listed under Schedule on STAR One channel's official site. After doing a through search and reading through articles, I have found that there is a television series with this title. It is recently launched (even though STAR One did not broadcast any trailers of the series). The series was earlier titled Waaris and was to air on STAR Plus (sister channel of STAR One), but for some reason it was delayed. Therefore, I apologise, but do thank you for your help. I will remove the deletion tag and will try to improve the article in some time by adding proper references. Thanks again!Survir (talk) 01:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Albert Shagidullin (baritone)
Hi Kudpung, iIf it hasn't already been deleted can you please delete this and salt the title. This is the the third time they've created it, all copyvio. There was a fourth, identical, but I moved it and cleaned out the copyvio (subject is notable). This is causing a real mess with redirects too. See Talk:Albert Schagidullin and User talk:Bebossonline. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for helping me out with my problems:-)I've got a kitten for you!

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Please comment on Talk:Tamara Toumanova
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 * Random selection? I had no idea Wikipedia had it's own version of jury duty. Nev1 (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Nev. It's a list  users can subscribe to. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

YGM
You have mail. --Crusio (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion
Why did you delete my Charity Naked Calendars page? It's totally legit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakedCalendars (talk • contribs) 05:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see the many deletion notices on  your talk  page. See also  WP:TPG. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my calendars page now? I don't understand. It has sources and it legit.
 * No it doesn't.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Look, this is a very huge area of knowledge not yet covered by wiki. Look it up on google. Charity Naked Calendars are a huge phenomenon. My page was hardly vandalism and I had sources. What do I need to do to make it work?

can I put it up again, because there were sources..you may have missed them. Also see "Nude Calendar" page that doesn't even have sources. Why not delete that then?
 * I repeat, cite your sources, don't just say you have them. See WP:CITE for help. Wikipedia does not take pages related to nudity softly, so you will have to really spend time on this. I suggest you use the article wizard as I suggested on your talk page. Don't recreate it until then. Nude Calender does have sources.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

At the top of the nude calendars page it says the article sites no sources, could you kindly direct me to the sources on that page.

oh, sorry, i see one source now..is that all it takes, one?
 * At least to avoid speedy deletion (WP:CSD).Jasper Deng (talk) 05:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

i see why the economist said that it's hard to make articles for wiki and why editors are decreasing. this process is very difficult, i'll probably just give up — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakedCalendars (talk • contribs) 05:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't give up. There's a saying for piano players, "One does not learn difficult fingerings until he/she recognizes them to be easy".Jasper Deng (talk) 05:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * For starters, please read WP:TPG, then the details in the deletion  notices on  your talk  page, and follow the links in  them. You  will  not  be able to  create it  as a live page until  its notability  is correctly  asserted and sourced.  Consider starting  the article in  your User space  where it will be reviewed first. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a valid, if somewhat, ahem, saucy topic. I'm busy at the moment but would be up for a userspace draft later on. There are refs a-plenty.  I just hope my mum isn't reading this... I wouldn't want her getting any fundraising ideas for for her bowls club --Shirt58 (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Validity ≠ notability. A list of nude calendars is not  a list  of references. Write an articles about nude calendar by  all  means  (in  your user space) if it  can pass the Notability, and Reliable Sources tests.Wikipedia is not censored. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:
Thank you for contacting me in regards to the Jumer's Casino page.. This was my first page so I might have made it seem as if I was promoting the location, but I have change the wording to a more informal way of communicating to the viewer..

Thanks Again, Eric — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 06:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid it still  looks very  much  like a promotional  piece -  especially  with  the large,  brochure-style photo. Some of the text  is still  decidedly inappropriate. That  said, the article is still  unreferenced and makes no  claims why  this particular casino  is any  different from  any  others in  a way  that  asserts its importance for an encyclopedia. Please see: Notability and Reliable Sources. If  you  can address these points, it  may  be able to  be kept, but  for the moment  I  see no  alternative but  to  send it  for deletion  discussion where the community  will  decide. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:
Why will the pictures be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 06:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably, but by  another admin. I'm  not  a picture specialist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay check out the page now.. Hey while your here how do you get that Status Update thing on your profile?? Its cool! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There are also copyright  violations from  http://qctimes.com/article_5f02953e-bc8c-11df-a9c7-001cc4c002e0.html - they  could be grounds for speedy  deletion.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Shinya Tokuni
I remove proposed deletion. Because this article meets the notability guideline Notability (sports). Shinya Tokuni have appeared Emperor's Cup in 2000. Thanks. Nameless User (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. No problem. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Smart space
Hi Kudpung, about your decline of my CSD A1 request at Smart space - on reflection I think you're probably right that it is too long to qualify for A1, but I still can't actually see what the article is about. I've left a message at Talk:Smart space if you want to comment. Best — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 13:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Technology Crossover Ventures
Hi,

I was adding information on a fund called Technology Crossover Ventures, and I wanted to follow up on its speedy deletion. The reasoning was that it was copyright infringement from a site called wallstreetoasis.com. If you look at that site, it's a forum where people copy/paste information. I was taking information from the company's website as a source to populate the wiki page. Accordingly, I feel this is an error, and should be reversed. Your thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asparagus10 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Actually there are several  policy  issues involved here -  not  just  the copyright  violtion  of having  taken text  verbatim  from  another source. As you  rightly  point  out, that  source is a blog, and is not  even reliable per WP:RS. Also, we cannot  use material  from  a company's own  website -  that  would be WP:Primary. If  reliable sources are available, they  must  also  assert  notability  that  conforms with our criteria at  WP:ORG for corporations. Your article unfortunately did not meet any of those points. You  are welcome to  start  a new one, but  you  may  wish  to  consider making  it in  your user space, where it might avoid being  speedily  deleted, but  do  remember that  even there, it  must  not  contain any  material  that  duplicates an external  source. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Joan Givner
The claims made were not credible claims, as is plainly stated in the CSD cirteria. There was no sourcing at all, and even then a list of academic article is insufficient for notability. A speedy was clearly warranted here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Just so that  you  know -  I  did it  myself. Lazy  page creators, and lazy  page patrollers ;)
 * Addendum. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Masalai (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I think we've just hit paydirt
Speaks for itself. MER-C 08:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't  think  we have for a minute. The next  phase of the IEP  might  be put of until  June/July, but  this is nothing  to  do  with  the impact  the Pune  experiment  has on  the community's clean-up resources. There appears to  be somewhat  more communication coming  from  various quarters of the WMF -  especially  the organisers of the education  programmes, but  the messages are mainly  TLDR posts about  how well they believe they  are coping, and worded to  be more like academic papers than an effort to  engage the community  in  dialogue. The overall  tone is that  the IEP was a success because it  pointed out  items for refinement rather than damage control,  and no one is pushing  for the reforms of NPP  that  I  have been proving  are badly  needed for over a year -  long  before the IEP  went  live. Three weeks ago  we were told a solution  for CorenBot  would be coming  'within a week', and there has been no  further discussion  or development on the new-user tool projects and NPP tools now for nearly two  months,  and as a result, I'm  reducing  my  activity in  those areas. I  still watch  all the talk pages, blogs, and mailing  lists very  closely, but  I'm  now focusing  my  Wiki  work on  other areas of the encyclopedia.    --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I know: that's what I referred to as the "WMF circlejerk" in the post which Cindy replied to. And they still haven't supplied a list of all the students, just like they promised here, a month ago.
 * In other news, I just handed out a bunch of spam4im's to another group of Indian (sock|meat)puppet SEO accounts. Some things just never change. MER-C 09:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Over-use of "welcomes"
Hi, Kudpung, and thank you for the message. Rest assured that I will be following your appreciated constructive criticism of my editing. There is, however, a counter-argument that could possibly be made: a editor (be it a newbie, sock, or VOA) should have the rules pointed out to them - by a welcome template, for example - so that any further action is with reference to those rules. I was following a number of User:Bwilkins' recent WP:AN/I comments to this effect. All that said, thanks and happy editing, to you too! --Shirt58 (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Undo your speedy of power to hire and fire now
your failure to consider argument put at the talk page is disturbing undo your speedy now Fifelfoo_m (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * you have been mentioned at WP:ANIFifelfoo_m (talk) 11:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Started work on a draft in my userspace. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

NPP question
Was my tagging of HaloCharts with A7 appropriate? The wording in the template says "...that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject." and the article basically says "HaloCharts was amazing at one point." Is that appropriate for an A7? Thanks!  HurricaneFan 25  19:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It should have been tagged per WP:CSD as blatant  spam. You'll find that  admins generally  react  quicker to spam  than to  most  other criteria. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No comment on HaloCharts because I can't see it, but for future comparisons, I'd comment that you are correct, "was amazing at one point" is definitely not a credible claim of significance sufficient to avoid A7.


 * In fact, almost any qualitative claims like this are not credible claims of significance. I'd perhaps make an exception for something like "was the best British golfer of the 1960s" since although that's still qualitative, it's much more likely to be verifiable in some sense. Beyond that you get into "was the best online zombie-themed game of the 1990s" or whatever, and credibility gets strained.


 * Specifically factual or quantitative claims are much better; "is the largest distillery in the USA" or "has won the (something or other) award twice". I once had an A7 speedy nomination declined because it was an article about a small family business that claimed (without a reference) that the business had been in operation for 90 years - for the admin making the decision, that was a credible claim of significance, even though it could mean no more than that one guy founded the business and then his son took it over and carried on running it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * HaloCharts was blatant spam for other reasons and has been deleted three times.  However, I  think  it's fair to  say  that  most  admins are pretty  well  versed on  deletion  policy  even if there are still  no  perfect  bright  lines, and many don't bother to change the rationlae when pressing the delete button. Good faith  errors can occur of course, but if a page is clearly going to be deleted under some criterion or another anyway, it's nothing to make a big fuss about. The accuracy there is only to satisfy the stats.  Many  page patrollers are uncertain  of the policy  with borderline cases, but  most of them learn empirically  over time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Institut Saint-André
I see you have been interested in this article. I came to it because all the other edits of its original author have been blatant hoaxes about non-existent noblemen. Then looking about its website I found this extremely odd page and began to wonder if the whole thing was another hoax - it's easy enough to set up a website these days. However, from Google it seems the school does exist - I suppose the website is either unfinished or has been hacked. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. The article created by Calum was not a hoax at all. It  was originally  tagged -  too  fast - as A7, and I  believe it  was a genuine article in  course of development. The school  clearly  exists and their site, not  unsusually, is made with  WordPress software, and is probably  simply  being  updated. You  may wish to  take the matter up  with  the deleting  admin who  might  have made a genuine error, otherwise it  looks as if we've lost  another enthusiastic new user. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The school article wasn't tagged, and wasn't deleted. His article Jonathan james anketell murray was tagged A7, which was perhaps not appropriate as it said he was an Earl, but that claim is false so I deleted it G3 hoax.


 * No, we haven't lost Calum, he's back this morning, but I'm not so sure we want him - this edit, repeating an earlier one I reverted and warned him about, is plain hoax - both our James Stanhope, 7th Earl Stanhope and The peerage.com say that the Earldom of Stanhope died with the 7th Earl, there never was an 8th Earl, and how would his son get to be Earl of Atholl (another extinct title) anyway? LinkedIn shows a real person by this name, based in Brussels - at a guess this may be his son trying to fabricate an aristocratic background for himself. We can't have this sort of nonsense after clear warning, but as the school article shows he can be serious, I have only blocked him for a week. JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

why fastticket.in page is deleted?
give me perfect reason to delete fastticket.in page and give me tips to do better it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khokhani.kevin (talk • contribs) 06:24, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your article read like an advertisement, which is not allowed. If you are affiliated with fastticket.in, please read our FAQs for businesses.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Help translating
Hello. I was wondering if you could help me translates some French text from Tahiti Au Temps Des Cartes Postales for the images 173, 175, 176, 189, 190. Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I would be happy  to  consider translating  anything  that  is to  be part of an existing  Wikipedia article. The text  to  translated can be placed on  the article talk  page, with  a message to  me here. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you translate 189, 190 onto Talk:Teriimaevarua III? And 173 onto File:Famille royale de Raiatea en 1898.jpg?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please place any text  you  would like translating on to  the article talk  page, and after you  have checked that  it is free of copyright  restrictions. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Richard Blum financial disclosure
I think we're talking about two different questions. My question was whether or not a government form was considered original research, which, reading the definition on these pages, I believe it is not. You've raised a different question, whether it is helpful to the biography. It's a discussion I'm more than willing to have. The subject of this article is a University of California regent, and former chairman of the board of regents. He is husband of the senior United States senator from California. The University of California System is presently being rocked by demonstrations (students being pepper-sprayed, as you may have seen on CNN) over tuition increases. His financial disclosure form, which is an important transparency tool in American government, is germane, because it shows the holdings of a billionaire who is a member of a wealthy Board of Regents who the students believe, rightly or wrongly, are out of touch with the needs of common people. He filed the form; it's called a "disclosure form" for just that reason, so that the public knows his financial interests. In Thailand you might think twice about this kind of revelation but not in the US where this article is most likely to be read. I'll also add that at the bottom of the article there is already material by someone else that he has been accused of profiting from public positions in the past. For that reason, as well, his financial disclosure form is an integral part of an article on him, and since it was filled out by he himself, required by law if he wants to serve as a UC Regent, there can be no accusation of bias about its inclusion. It's not rude, unfair or discriminatory. It is information on the subject, which I thought Wikipedia was all about. But this is my first time trying to make an addition, so you tell me what you think.190.9.234.151 (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have read the article. Lest  there be any  misunderstanding, I  am  a retired British  academic who  has chosen to  live his days out  in Thailand. There are two  aspects to  the issue you raised, and I  preempted on  one of  them, which  you  have kindly  answered.  I  am  still  of the opinion  that  a link to  where the document  can be viewed online would be appropriate as an inline (see WP:CITE) if you  are quoting from,  or mentioning the document  in  your text, or as a link in  the 'External links' section if it  is additional  material of general  interest  to  the biography. I  wold recommend however, that  you  discuss it  further on  the article's talk  page at  Talk:Richard C. Blum with  the other contributors. You  can located them though  with the  other contributors this page and leave an invitation  to  a discussion  on  their talk  pages. The consensus to  include the document  will  be reached by  all  of you, and if there is no  response from  them in  a couple of days,  you  are free to  go  ahead and edit  the article as you  feel  appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: GiveDirectly
Hello Kudpung. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of GiveDirectly, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''The non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources is in my opinion enough for WP:N. It is certainly enough for A7.''' Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait, wut? I believe a trout is in order. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's out of line and I would think an admin would have deleted it had they felt strongly about the A7. When he added the A7 tag, there were two external links to blog posts and two external links to the subject's own website.  Neither are a claim of importance let alone usable to establish notability, in my opinion.  Probably should have waited more than 11 minutes to tag it though.  Ol Yeller21  <sup style="color:#827839;">Talktome  21:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, the GiveWell blog was up when he tagged it. It is an editorial, where GiveDirectly is the primary subject. Since it has editorial control, and is not affiliated to GiveDirectly, that's significant coverage in an independent reliable source, and immediately disqualifies for A7. Any new page patroller should have recognised that. Kudpung is an experienced and good tagger, and it was probably an honest mistake, that happens (I'm pretty sure I made my share of them too) But if you believe trout is too much of an overreaction, you could maybe serve A Side of Chips to take the edge off. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I included the GiveWell blog when I mentioned "links to blog posts". I personally think that it all hinges on that one blog entry and that its reliability is subjective.  I'll let Kudpung speak for himself, though.  I've probably butted in too far as it is so the trout stays! I'm never opposed to a trouting anyway.  I think a little silliness is good for productivity.
 * I'm suddenly craving fish and chips...  Ol Yeller21 <sup style="color:#827839;">Talktome  22:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm no more in  favour  of the sillines of trouting, than I  am  of the sillines of WikiLove, both  which  risk either turning  Wikipedia into  a social  media site or reinforcing  the strong  consensus in  the outside world that  Wikipedia is a joke or at  best, a project  run  by  children.  That  said, I  thoroughly  researched the article before deleting  it. There is nevertheless nothing  to  prevent  the creator or another user discussing  the deletion  with  either the patroller or the deleting  admin in  a cordial  manner, which  on  any  substantial  evidence of notability could result in a refund -  which  I  would have assumed that Martin, as an experienced editor and admin, should have known, and (re)acted appropriately and in  a civil  manner. I  have deleted around 1,500 articles and tagged tens of thousands of others for deletion, and there have only  been around five declined CSDs and no successful reclaims. Perhaps we should should examine Martin's 9,679 edits.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * hrm, I think I completely mis-judged the situation here. I expected you would, upon re-inspection of the article, agree with me that tagging it A7 was a mistake (which is what the trout is for, pointing people to a simple mistake. No harm done.) I was actually very much surprised that the auto-untag notice went to your usertalk. At first I re-examined the articles history, because I thought that the userscript made a mistake in who placed the CSD tag. I just couldn't believe that you made this, in my eyes, blatant mistake. Yet is seems we - after examination of the article - disagree on the eligibility of A7 for this article (which is not what trouts are for.) Looking over it again, I still don't see how this article is eligible under A7. Which makes me think: maybe I'm the one interpreting A7 in the wrong way. My thoughts were the following: The blog post is independant, qualifies as a reliable source per WP:NEWSBLOG, and gives significant coverage: the whole article is about the organisation. I believe that automatically disqualifies the article for A7, but you don't seem to agree. Could you let me know how I can see this from your perspective? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, reliability is inherently subjective and stating your opinion as fact while citing a policy isn't a constructive way to have a conversation. WP:NEWSBLOG is specifically about a blog that belongs to a news source which GiveWell is a self-described "independent, nonprofit charity evaluator".  By stating your argument in such a matter-of-fact way, it seems easy to conclude that you feel that any blog is notable simply by looking at the text at a WP:Blue link.
 * Kudpung, sorry for butting in and sorry if you feel that silliness has no place on WP. Personally, I shy away from extremes and think that variety is conducive to any work environment; especially volunteer environments which I have a great deal of experience in outside of WP.  Stepping out of this conversation now.  Ol Yeller21  <sup style="color:#827839;">Talktome  18:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reading WP:newsblog again, you are right, it does only mention news organisations. The pivotal point for me to have qualified this as a reliable source, is the editorial control over the content. I'd love to hear your point of view Kudpung! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * When I tagged the article, the only  sources on it were primary  sources, and these: Give Well Blog, a simple charity  calculator or charity  review site; (does not  assert notability), ,blog no  further information  about  the site available. I  checked the first  two  pages in  Google. So  I  missed this. People in  glass houses should not  throw stones -  or fish. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA
Hey! I don't know if you still remember, but I contacted you in September about a potential RfA. Per you advice, I did contact HJ Mitchell at that time, with this response, which led me to this conversation. Keeping in mind my editor review in August, I'd like to once again seek your advice as to whether it is time.--Slon02 (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember, and from  what  I  remember, I  think  I suggested it  would be wise to  wait  at  least  another few months. Apart from  that, the climate at  RfA at  the moment  does not  appear to  be conducive to  an RfA  being  a pleasant  experience for anyone who  is not  assured of a clear success. However, I  can't  find where and how I  replied to  you. Could you  please either give me a link, or send me a copy  of my  email? I  will  then reply  today. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've emailed you the emails that you sent.--Slon02 (talk) 05:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, RFA sucks :P Steven Zhang  <sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....  05:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for Time: India Education Program Learnings
Hi. I'm writing to request a favor. The India Education Program pilot is concluding in Pune, India. It has been extraordinarily challenging and a series of learnings have emerged from the pilot that we intend to take on board to inform the way forward. I had promised an honest, open and comprehensive review. There are multiple ways that we are trying to collate and distill these learnings. One of these is that the Foundation has commissioned a study to do in depth interviews with a wide variety of folks who were directly or indirectly involved in the pilot. The include discussions with students, Ambassadors, faculty as well as members of the global community such as yourself. I thought it would be really particularly useful if we could get your views. You have been involved in the project (albeit not as part of the formal project structure.) I thank you for your involvement. You have made some interesting and insightful comments in the discussions you have participated in. Would you be willing and available for the person working on this study so that she can get your feedback and suggestions and comments? If so, would you let me know on my talk page? Do also let me know how I can have her reach out to you. Many thanks in advance. Hisham (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Message?
What was the reason you visited and edited my talk page? Please respond there. Djathink imacowboy  07:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, malformed link. See Editor assistance/Requests. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kudpung, I appreciate that clarification. On another note...I need some help! At this page you can view an edit & a revert:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trilby&action=historysubmit&diff=462225102&oldid=461371219


 * The trouble is I did not make any such edit in the 1st place (which seems to do with Chang Kai-shek wearing a Trilby). As you see, User:Foofbun is responsible for the revert - what am I to do? Can you have a look, perhaps I am missing something. Djathink  imacowboy  07:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Here is where you will see what I mean more clearly. See the text in red: When not wearing a military cap, Nationalist Chinese leader Chang Kai-shek frequently wore a trilby, according to Jonathan Fenby's biography Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek and the China He Lost. [Italics mine]--This line of text is what seems to have been attributed to me, apparently with my signature.

Problem is, as I said, I made no such edit. I would never have made such an edit as that, and I recently removed the entire section for total lack of notability. But if you look, it then appears User:Foofbun came in and reverted the edit. That bothers me, that I can't see who made the original edit which I did not make. Someone is playing games with me! Could my user account be compromised? Djathink imacowboy  08:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't  see any  issue there. If anything, somebody  just  made a very minior format  improvement. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, no! I reference the original text that was reverted by User:Foofbun which shows my signature but I did not write. That worries me. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trilby&diff=462225102&oldid=461371219 and you will see the text in red, which was added earlier, is signed by my name, but I did not write that. Djathink  imacowboy  08:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Savastika! Oh, I'm sorry, I see what you mean now. I see there is no reason to worry too much. Someone is editing weirdly but it is no worry. Apologies for disturbing you. I forgot to sign, sorry! Djathink  imacowboy  08:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I still  don't  see any  issues. Even if smeone signed a talk  page with  your sig. the software wouild log  it  as made by  the real  poster. mainspace articles cannot  be faked because they  are not  signe and the sofware ads the user's name to  the history  log. Now if you  mean the text  in  red, that's a different  thing -  you  made the previous edit  which  was [this], and the left  hand side of the diff-diff comparison  just  shows the section  that  you  had edited, and the red part was in  that  section. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Stop CSD patrolling template?
Hi Kudpung, if I remember correctly, you have a nice template you use to ask people to stop tagging articles for speedy deletion when they appear to misunderstand the criteria... Where would I find it? Cheers,  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  11:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Jim. It's not  a template, it's probably one of many  customised messages I  have in  a special  multi-clipboard  tool  on my  computer. I  used to copy  and paste custom messages that  I  still  have stored here but  I  haven't  even looked at  that  page for at least a year. It's probably  a bit  of a mess, but  you're welcome to  raid it if you  can understand it  all.   When I  actually  ask people to  stop  tagging, which  I've probably  only  resorted to  two  or three times, I  write something new each  time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Time to bring it out of retirement, asap --Shirt58 (talk) 11:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is disturbing. For several reasons including only  142 unique pages edited, prabaly  all  CSD tags. Let's keep  an eye on  this and see what  happens now that  requests have been made. If it conrinues, blocking  will  sadly  be the only  solution. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Shirt, that was the editor I was thinking of!


 * Thanks Kudpung... I'll certainly keep an eye on this one. He's subsequently tagged a page with multiple A1, G3, G11 and G12. Mind boggling.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  13:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

VenusAngelic
hello, please could you kindly restore my article about VenusAngelic, my daughter, I was not finished with editing, I wanted to post her resume singing with Rumi Shishido in Japan and her acting in the movie Achtung, ferting, Charlie etc, including photos and evidence. It is my first article, so maybe I didn't know I have to finish or it will be quickly reviewed, I thought I had more time... Sorry. Please let me know! (I already wrote 2 persons who where mentioned in the email and on the delete log page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bonadea and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jac16888#VenusAngelic) Sorry it is my first time editing an article! best regards Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maggie.7537 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

HI, thank you & Edit conflict
Hi -appreciated you bio. Thanks for comments my page. Edit conflict: Two of you responded within minutes of each other. I would like both your comments to remain, as they contain helpful "blue-links." I presume there's a proper name for them, not Wikilinks? So, can one/both of you resolve the Edit Conflict? Or, is that my task? (I would likely replace the "edit conflicts" with a single "resolved" - presume I am not supposed to edit someone else's words, even if repetitious.) Thanks. --KnowLimits (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Venus Angelic
Ok, I think I understand. But She also won "Miss Thai Beuty and Culture 2007" in Switzerland in Gretzenbach. Acting in Achtung, fertig, charlie in Switzerland in 2003 she is even in the trailer. And she is a youtube partner youtube.com/venusangelic and blogger www.venusangelic.com And see please this: she is worldwide 2. place in LOTTE contest of 2011 and won 500.000 (half million) japanese Yen. http://lotte-fits.jp/dance/announcement.html

Venus was working with Rumi Shishido and Kohei Shigahara as well in 2010, gave concert and idol event together. Can I please maybe write the article with all the references?I have much more references and evidence.

She is already listed on Wikipedia as a net idol and that's why I wrote the article, I wanted to avoid that some hater start to fill out untrue datas.

best regards Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.11.137 (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please read and the message I left  on  your talk page and review the linked policy  pages. If  you  have problems understanding  them (they are sometimes complex),  please don't  hesitate to  let  me know. Please log  in  and use your account  when you  edit,  and remember to  sign  your posts. Thanks.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Paulding Middle School
Hi. You have a beautiful user page. Very nice!

I noticed (edit conflict) that you deleted a section from the Paulding Middle School article as "trivia". First, I would think it should have been obvious from the recent edits to that page that I am in the middle of cleaning up and expanding that article. Wiping out an entire section while it is being actively edited is not very helpful. That has become my "hold-all" section for stuff that I haven't been able to source yet or figure out where to move it elsewhere in the article.

I understand that trivia sections are strongly discouraged, and I understand (and appreciate) why they are. However, I think it can remain there for a little while longer while I continue to edit the article. Please understand that I am not a middle school student doing this for the heck of it. I am an experienced editor working to make the article much better.

It's been a long day, so I am going to sign off en.wiki for several hours now. I just wanted you to understand that I wasn't trying to revert your deletion without a good reason (thus hopefully avoiding you removing it again). Thanks! &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 15:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. My apologies if I  interrupted your work, but  I  carry  out  major recasts to  keep  school  articles in tune with  WP:WPSCH/AG, and trivia, along  with  sections such  as bell schedules, mission  statements are usually  the first  to  go. If  you are editing  an article for en extended period, please consider placing  the 'in use' template on  the top  of the articles and then you  won't  be disturbed. Nevertheless, I  should point  out  that  middle schools have no  inherent  notability  and unless they  have something  very  special  about  them, they  risk being either deleted or redirected to  the articles about  the school district (USA)  or to  the education  section  of the article about  their locality.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I certainly understand the reason to remove trivia, bell schedules, etc., and I admire the work that you do to keep some type of order in that section. :-) I find the "in-use" template to be a bit of a bother. Usually I just edit pages off-wiki, and then upload them back when I am finished (or at a good stopping point), and since most articles I edit are generally pretty quiet, it's rarely a problem. You didn't cause me any problems, so no worries.
 * I understand about the notability (or rather non-notability) issue quite well (I've nominated several articles for deletion myself for that very reason), and I am working on improving and highlighting the notability aspect of the article the whole time I am working on the article. I am familiar with the school first-hand, and it seems like some of the luster has worn off over the years. I think much of its former glory was captured in print newspapers, and those are a lot harder to track down in this digital news age. There are definitely things worth mentioning, but finding reliable sources for them is challenging. I'm hoping that once I get the article re-written, that I can request some help from the current staff webmaster at the school to see if she can look through their archives for some good info with sources.
 * That assumes that the article remains alive long enough to do that. But that's the way things work here on en.wiki. It's all so fast paced when things go awry. Commons and most of the other wikis operate at a much more leisurely pace, and I like that. But en.wiki is just too big with too many editors and vandals to operate leisurely. Oh well. Such is life and the risk we take editing here. :-) &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 16:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Years ago I  also  used to to  do  major chunks of editing off line until  I  realised that  when I  put them  back in  I  was squashing  intermediate edits by  others. Hmm... quiet  articles, it's a bit  like your toast  falling  on  the floor buttered side down. I  wrote an article about  my  old school  a couple of years ago, and when I  went  back  to  the UK in  September this year  I  spent  a day  climbing  around in  500 year-old attics sifting  through  old archives for sources.  I'm  thinking  of nominating  it for GA, if you  have a moment, I  would very  much  appreciate you  taking  a look  and letting me have your opinion  on  it. Take care, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind at all. However, the link you provided is broken. As to squashing other edits, I always abort when I see edit conflicts, and I resolve the conflict before blindly saving (usually by merging, but sometimes by squashing—as I did with yours *grin*). I'm really leaving for now. TTYL. &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 16:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I'm writing to you because you commented on the talk page of Iaaasi/Daccono and I have a question regarding that whole situation. Since Iaaasi is sitebanned, isn't it a violation of his site wide ban (which includes talk pages) to use the talkpage of a confirmed puppet of his (the "Daccono" account), to further wikilawyer, comment, cite diffs, etc on wikipedia stuff? For example Iaaasi's latest comment. I would like to just revert his edits as a violation of the original Iaaasi siteban. This situation never really came up before so I'm not sure if it were proper for me to revert back his edit in which he asks for unblock. He has a lot of accounts that this could apply to in the future as well ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hobartimus/sandbox4 ). What do you think? Hobartimus (talk) 20:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen your excellent work on  documenting this issue, but I  don't  think  there is much  I  can add  as it  is very complex and I  have not  been following  it  since it  first  came to  light. My  comment  was intended just  as a purely neutral observation when having  patrolled recent  requests for unblock. . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Primary education
Yes, this is what I meant. Sorry for my poor english... You know when there is 25 CP and 33 CM2, that's 58 children: they must do a 29-puplic CP/CM2 A and 29-pupil CP/CM2 B... Etc. when there are 350 pupil in a school, let's make 12 classes of almost equal size. I'm really sorry about the sources, I don't have any. You may read this. Feel free to edit what I wrote ! --JackAttackFR (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2011 (UTC)