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 * Thanks for your reply. The basic idea is that it is OK to use CD/DVD covers if we are reviewing/promoting the recording, but since we are not doing this it's problematic. In this case the photo is probably OK, but the LV cover design would be copyright. Let me know if I can help further. -- Kleinzach 00:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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very good work on french cinema. PLease add any films you create or know of to the List of French films thanks. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     "Talk"? 11:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ha!. You can move my page Carnival in Flanders (film) to yours thats fine as long as we don't lose any images or info. Mostly though I would strongly urge to keep the original French titles. Good work. As I said before please add any films who know of also to the lists. I began adding titles for French films of the 1920s ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 18:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to put your name down for WikiProject Films/French cinema task force ok? Its no obligation just for the people we know who are working in this area ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 18:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Bibliographic formats
Hello. Could I politely take issue with some of your recent amendments to the reference formats in articles like Madeleine Grey, Maurice Ravel and Piano Concerto for the Left Hand (Ravel)? You have opted for the Harvard format which is different from the style already in use on some of the pages, which means there is now a mixture of styles. And while Harvard works fine in the sciences, it sometimes comes unstuck with humanities references, especially where editions of works are concerned. E.g. the reference for: Ravel, Maurice & Orenstein, Arbie (1989), Lettres, écrits, entretiens, Harmoniques, Paris: Flammarion, p. 189, ISBN 2080661035, OCLC 20025651 - now looks as if it's a joint work by Ravel and Orenstein, because this Harvard format can't cope with the idea of an editor as well as an author.

I would suggest abandoning the "Citation" template and reworking this one as: Maurice Ravel. Lettres, écrits, entretiens; [edited by] Arbie Orenstein. Paris, Flammarion, 1989. p.189. ISBN 2080661035, OCLC 20025651. (The author name only needs to be inverted to Ravel, Maurice, in the alphabetised bibliographies, not in numbered "reflists". The original statement of responsability in French is very elaborate - "réunis, présentés et annotés par..." - and in an English source can be usefully abbreviated to [edited by]. The series Harmoniques is unnumbered and not helpful in the reference. I don't think the ISBN needs to be hypertexted as it doesn't lead to a bibliographic reference - and one perhaps doesn't need to include quite so many of the library links as it makes the list harder to read.)

Sorry to go on so. I can see that the Ravel article has been messy for a long while and you have been trying to bring some much needed order to it. Now that you have done all the work on this list, perhaps a few tweaks would be the most economical way of resolving things. Should I have a go? Lampernist (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hows about:


 * --Blehfu (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that clarifies the main problem, and it's a more economical fix than what I was thinking of. (I would ditch the series title which is just confusing.) I think the Worldcat entries can be obscure because although they have no doubt coded the source data correctly, their output format doesn't seem to allow them to distinguish things like editors and authors.

I think there are still a couple of issues about the Citation template though. (1) It is not a good idea introduce it to existing lists of references (as in Madeleine Grey and Piano Concerto for the Left Hand (Ravel)) because it creates variant styles in the same list. I think a bit of tidying up is needed here. (2) The format of the Citation template is quite restrictive and really not suitable for some types of reference, especially for non-scientific subjects. For example, in the current list of Ravel references, look at the journal and newspaper articles where the date format conflicts with the other entries and is not in proper Harvard style - and the use of italics and quote marks is inconsistent. The book entry for Jankélévitch is also messy because the edition statement comes after the series note and makes no sense there. I know this sounds pedantic but the main requirement for references is that they should be clear, and these unnecessary inconsistencies just increase the possibilities for confusion. The other worry I have is that by making the "[Foot]Notes" section refer to the "References[Further reading]" section, it creates a 2-stage look-up to check what a reference is. I would treat the two sections quite separately and make life easier all round. Lampernist (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm. Upon doing a little digging, I agree re: the other articles. I'll revert the changes, at least for now. Uniformity is important, but often without my changes in the references, it's already lacking.
 * As you might imagine from my changes to Ravel, it is some sort of uniformity in the references I'm looking for. I still haven't found a totally satisfactory solution, so perhaps it is best that I try and hash one out now before I mark further changes to articles. I've settled on the Citation and Harvnb templates as they work very well together with automatic CITExxxyyy tags, but I appreciate the limitations of the Citation template. What would you suggest, using the Cite xxx templates? --Blehfu (talk) 22:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Faces of Children
Nice work on expanding this article!  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Beauty of the Devil
Dear Lampernist,

Although, I do not usually talk to users hidden behind screen-names (Slobodan Grasic is my full name), however I think that I should respond to your message. It is true that USA and UK are among the most powerful countries in the World, but they are not the center of the World. Besides, English language has become international language nowadays. René Clair had spent a great part of his life in the USA and had died there, and I presume that he had spoken English well. I don't know if he had been satisfied with the translation of the title of one his masterpieces, but Beauty and the Devil has totally different meaning than Beauty of the Devil. I suppose that you speak French well, since you are interested in French cinematography. Then you should know that my translation is not more exact, but it is the only possible one. Beauty and the Devil (La beauté et diable) signifies one thing, and Beauty of the Devil (La beauté du diable) means something quite different. Beauty and evil may not have any connection, but evil can be attractive and beautiful. Therefore it is only about the translation accuracy, it is about the essence. Things are not unmovable in space and time, and movie editions and reviews in American newspapers that have wrong title translation are insignifficant compared to culture that essentially belongs to the whole World, so the time has come to change it!

With kind regards Slobodan Grasic (talk) 00:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wild Grass
Excellent work on the expansion of this article!  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Alain Resnais
Nice work on Alain Resnais as well. I would encourage you to bring it to GA level. Best wishes, --Elekhh (talk) 09:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

re: Film director templates
Hello! First I have to say that I really, really appreciate all your work on articles about classic French cinema. But to the point: to be honest, and as you can see in templates I've created, I pretty much shared your view on director navboxes until recently. But looking at some of the best developed navboxes outside the film project (Shakespeare, Scientology, World War II etc) I've realised that what they should do is to only provide navigation, in a concise and as non-cluttered way as possible. Removing the release years means that the navbox provides less info - but if info is what the reader wants, he or she should read the filmography in the director's biographical article, or the individual film articles, not a navigation template. I also don't see why release year should hold a certain position over for example production countries, language, scriptwriter and other info about a movie. I do agree however that the year could be useful for disambiguation when two or more movies share the same title, and I did that for J'accuse in Gance's case. Regarding the Mater dolorosa movies, I think the first one was listed with two alternative titles, and I simply chose the one the article currently is under and deleted the other. If this was a mistake (I'm sadly not familiar with these movies) it's easy to move the article and update the navbox, and add years for these entries. Smetanahue (talk) 13:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the key here is to distinguish the navigation templates from the filmographies in the biographical articles (or sometimes in separate articles). The info you rightfully bring up as relevant should be available in the filmographies, and there is no need for the templates to be complete replicas. I view them more as supplements, and the filmography is usually the better starting point when getting into a new filmmaker's oeuvre.
 * I also don't think the complexity of the template's subject should matter. Abel Gance's template currently only links to his movies, but he could potentially also become a complex subject - if someone decides to write an article about him of Shakespearean proportions, with separate sub-articles for everything imaginable, like one about his upbringing, one about his filmography, his cinematic style, conspiracy theories about him or whatever. These articles would then be linked in the template, but that shouldn't have any significance for the template's filmography parts.
 * To me it seems like release years mostly are a popular thing to add, and as such have become common in the less developed culture-related templates. But in the well-developed, such as the mentioned Shakespeare or Template:Elvis Presley for that matter, they are a lot more unusual. Smetanahue (talk) 16:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You may be interested in this discussion about director templates. I'm not sure if Smetanahue's viewpoint is supported by others. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing my error
Hello. Just wanted to say thanks for fixing the error that I left in the film date template and again thanks for you additions to the Confessions of a Cheat article today. Although I only saw this film for the first time a couple years ago it quickly became a favorite. Citizen Kane is usually described as a film that broke the rules of filmmaking but I now tell my friends to seek out this film as Guitry broke those rules 5 years before Welles did. Thanks again for your time and work. I do appreciate it. MarnetteD | Talk 00:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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Ciné-Ressources
May I please be informed of the reason you systematically revert my link to this article? Please stop it or I'll have to revert your reverts. LouisAlain (talk) 08:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Your amendments to these articles destroyed the link to the Ciné-Ressources page and replaced it with the Wikipedia article link. Please be more careful with your amendments.Lampernist (talk) 08:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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