User talk:Lifeglider

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Kyiv vs Kiev
I reverted this edit and will now revert the others. You seem to be a relatively new user and may not know that this what spelling is preferrable is a highly disputed question, which has been debated here many years. Currently, the consensus was Kiev and Kiev Oblast. You can try to change this consensus by going to the talk pages of one of those articles and re-open the discussion, but before the consensus has been achieved please refrain from mass renaming. Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * its realy strange for me, that there is a discussion on this. The right transliteration form is Kyiv, according to both wikipedia rules and even the accepted writing form of this city in litterature and on the web. I thought that Wikipedia uses the right transliteration forms of everything other, and that i could contribute on this. But I agree with you, lets let the Wikipedia remain the conservative source of misspelled information. Lifeglider (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We have WP:CONSENSUS. For the time being, consensus it to write Kiev. You can try to change it by following my recommendations above. Last time the question was discussed there was no consensus that the transliteration rules you cite apply in this case. The issue was debated to death. Also, would you please not remove the service templates. If the article is not referenced and there is a template, it should only be removed if you reference the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not really interested in this debate, but I opened your link to Consensus, which seems to be a general site about wikipedian consensus. You wrote that there is a consensus about this name of city, where can i find this consensus? Lifeglider (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Since in this case we are specifically talking on the spelling Kyiv vs Kiev, the best place would be to start a new thread at Talk:Kiev. You may want to go through the talk page and its archives to see what arguments were used previously.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Ῥωσσία vs. Ρωσία
(EDIT: placed this originally on your home page. Realized my mistake, and have moved this to your Talk page.)

Hi. In the Ruthenia article, I saw your most recent comment: Ρωσία is an ancient name, you cant remake history terms here on wiki

Take a look at the "Little Russia" article that the link ", Μικρά Ρωσία, Little Rus, Rus Minora" points to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia. This is from the Etymology section of that article: The Byzantines called the northern and southern part of the lands of Rus’ as: Μεγάλη Ῥωσσία (Megálē Rhōssía)[2] – Greater Rus’) and Μικρὰ Ῥωσσία (Mikrà Rhōssía – Lesser or Little Rus’), respectively.

I can't question your assertion that "Ρωσία is an ancient name". But while I'm no expert on Wikipedia rules, my understanding of the Wikipedia rules/guidelines is that editors should avoid original research, and should use citations to refer explicitly to reliable sources. I assume that the "Little Russia" article has been vetted (who knows if that's true), and that the Ῥωσσία spelling is standard somewhere. This article already contains a tag "This article needs additional citations for verification." Do you have sources for your Ρωσία spelling? If so, maybe the Ῥωσσία in the "Little Russia" article should be fixed.

Anyway, I don't mean to be argumentative. I'm just exploring this issue for fun. I'm an occasional Wikipedia editor, and I'm generally good at copy-editing, so I sometimes fix things that seem to need fixing, which is what I was doing in this case. Feel free to continue this discussion or withdraw, as you prefer. I won't make any further edits to the Ruthenia article.

(By the way, I think discussions like this should go on the Talk page for the article. I'm just putting it here because you didn't respond to my posting on the article's Talk page when I made my first change.)

Best, Omc (talk) 11:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Your contribution is appreciated. You propably have better knowledge about this subject. Lifeglider (talk) 09:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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