User talk:Llywrch/Archive9

Howard Carter
Looks like the article on Howard Carter has been vandalized, especially in the Popuplar Culture section. I'm not at a point to wade through all the back posts to find out if there was something there that has been removed as it appears to have been left in for a very long time now. I'd like to turn it over to the WikiProject Ancient Egypt. If you can't deal with it, can you turn it over to someone else in the project? I'm not likely to be back over here for a while.Kenalynn (talk) 02:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi -- I took a look at the article, & although it had some vandalism, it wasn't that extensive. I was able to fix it simply enough. But I'm curious: I'm not an active member of WikiProject ancient Egypt, so why did you select me to report the problem to? -- llywrch (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I traced back which projects the article was connected to and you came up. Don't remember exactly which as it's been over a month ago!Kenalynn (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Michael Lucas (porn star)
I am writing to you because you have had previous experience working with this article. The edits of David Shankbone on this article have been reported to COIN as seen here,.

--72.76.80.239 (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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Working Group login
Hi Llywrch, just letting you know I've sent an email (via the English Wikipedia email function) to you with details about your Working Group wiki login details. Be sure to change your password once you log in, for security reasons! If there's any problems with the login (passwords, username not working, or anything), fire me an email and I'll try and sort them out for you. Looking forward to working with you as a fellow group member! Cheers, Daniel (talk) 03:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

What does your user name mean?
I was looking at your user page, but I couldn't find any reference. Is it Welsh? &mdash; Sebastian 20:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale reviewing
Please be more careful when reviewing Images for fair use rationales. Specifically,. You marked the Image as having a satisfactory claim to WP:NFCC. This is incorrect. This image was failing WP:NFCC #10. A valid and clear rationale has to be written on the Image description page for fair use to qualify. The Image, at the time of you posting the review, did not contain a fair use rationale at all. This message is just a reminder to look for that while reviewing. Thanks, —  Κ aiba  18:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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Deletion review of Category:Wikipedians who support Hezbollah
Hi. I noticed you took part in the debate atAdministrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Hezbollah userbox and I was wondering if you might want to participate in a debate I have started at deletion review of this category and accompanying userboxes here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin desperately needed at History of Sumer
Hello, I have been embroiled in a bitter struggle for days at History of Sumer with another user, and as usual, this has been roundly ignored by the entire wikipedia community which does not care about this topic. The other user is continually flouting WP:V, WP:OR, WP:RS by adding certain unverifiable statements to a footnote, he refuses to do anything but thumb his nose at me and edit war. He even said he does not have to find cites for these statements, but in order to remove them, I am required to find sources that disprove him!!! I tried reporting his 3RR edit war once and got myself blocked just for reporting him, so I am afraid to go that route now. Someone needs to more forcefully explain our cornerstone policies to this user. Thanks for looking at this, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please take another look, I am really at my wits end on dealing with this guy. Just look through the edit war, he keeps changing the article to claim there were no minerals or lapis lazuli in the Urartu region, which would be fine if he could cite it, but he refuses to.  I keep removing it, he keeps replacing it, and he says in order to remove it, I am the one who needs to find cites disproving it.  Nothing can impress on him that this is not the way wikipedia works.  Also the RFC did not ever show up on the correct page; did I do something wrong? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be an open-and-shut case - he repeatedly removed material referenced to Samuel Kramer and replaced it with uncited dubious claims, which he insists through edit warring remain in the article without needing to cite them, removing the citation requests, and demanding instead contradictory references for me to be allowed to remove what he has stated with his own original authority. It goes against every cormerstone rule we have.  The only problem is nobody seems to be watching besides me and him right now, so he is "learning" that such behavious is tolerated. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 23:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, here is one of several edits where he removed my reference, as well as removed the cite request for his statement:
 * Here is another where he removes two cite requests:
 * When we are discussing on the talkpage to see if he has sources or references to anyone making these same uncited claims; although he evidently feels he doesn't need sources, here, incredibly, he responds that I am the one who must find sources contradicting his claims if I want to remove them from the article:

Hope that helps, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 23:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, about four days ago in this endless drama, I tried the route of AN/I to report his dropping references and citation requests, etc. That is how Wisdom got in the picture.  As you saw, he totally ignored that advice.  I was totally dismayed to find out later that Wisdom is not even an admin, just a regular editor who likes to hang out in AN/I.  So yet another route of action failed me.   If you are telling me you cannot stop him from playing havoc with the rules, then it means the rules are meaningless and he is free to do as he sees fit to the articles, and none may oppose him.  I am frustrated because I have tried now for days and days to get people's attention to what is going on here, but I guess most change the channel as soon as they see the word "Sumer" and put it squarely in the SEP field... ;O(  Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 00:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just took a look at RS/N and it looks like the perfect place for this problem, wish I'd known about that one before... thanks for pointing me up to it! I will definitely try it after the next round of back and forth edits tomorrow (I think we are already at our limit for today!) Cheers, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 02:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot is still up.
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Proposal RE: User:Mikkalai's vow of silence
You are a previous participant in the discussion at WP:AN/I about User:Mikkalai's vow of silence. This is to inform you, that I have made a proposal for resolution for the issue. I am informing all of the users who participated, so this is not an attempt to WP:CANVAS support for any particular position.

The proposal can be found at: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 01:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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I try to keep my cool as much as possible. But given enough constant attacks and abuse anyone will snap. I have not been saying much, because I am biting my tongue due to recent abuse. given the amount of un-warranted trolling and personal attacks I think I have handled my self fairly well. βcommand 23:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of the Jimmy Wales stories
I was reading Wikback and saw your comment "Wikipedia: Village Pump used to have a "News" section; don't know what happened to it. Posting this on WP:AN or WP:AN/I would result in having it immediately deleted. I will repeat that I am surprised that threads about this have failed to appear on either WikiEN-l or Foundation-l. Both had numerous posts about the Carolyn Doran matter. " I've actually posted a link to the BBC News story on ANI, and it hasn't been deleted (yet). It will undoubtedly be mentioned in the Signpost in due course, but like you I'm surprised how little on-wiki discussion there has been on this. Maybe you could mention the BBC News article over at Wikback? The story seems to be going: (1) Marsden; (2) Wool allegations; (3) Merkey allegations. All with the common thread of Jimmy Wales. It will be interesting to see how it all ends up and what the overall impression will be on the public. I think this whole 'perfect storm' (well, maybe it is more accurate to say people are jumping in with their grievances on the back of the Marsden story) shows how WMF and Jimmy need PR people to handle the press. Carcharoth (talk) 12:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that this has been a PR mess -- unfortunately, the latest of several. IMHO, step (1) was a non-starter, & (2) escalated things, yet could have been handled by adopting the most appropriate of one of the following:
 * Explained that nothing wrong happened -- & provide the evidence showing so;
 * Admit that the events did happen -- but explain the reasons for these questionable expenses;
 * Admit that the events did happen -- but promise that steps have been taken to make sure they never do again.
 * (Step (3) will only harden the differences between the two camps -- those already suspicious of Wales & the Foundation will believe that where there is smoke there must be fire, while the "true-believers" will continue to dismis Merkey's allegations.)


 * The Foundation seems to combine the worse parts of the casual approach (lack of attention to detail) & the professional approach (tell only the minimum needed), thus compounding their problems. -- llywrch (talk) 18:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ethiopian cities, towns and villages
First of all thanks for your much needed work on places in this country. I am currently on a drive to sort out most existing places on wikipedia in Africa, Central Asia and Latin America with an infobox and map by country and to tag the articles for the relvant country projects. I have reorganized the settlement category structure by region; people can see the main towns and cities in the whole country either in the list or in the navigation plate that exists at the footer of the main city articles. This way it strongly asserts settlement by region of the country and prepares for future growth in an organized way. I have done this restructure with several countries such as Chile already but most of the african places by country are so underdeveloped I've kept them in one national category for starters until they can undergo development. Ethiopian settlements at present are a shining example for other african countries to follow and to try to see some fuller coverage. I'll be adding infoboxes gradually so once this is done other african countries on wikipedia should be aiming to attain the level of ethiopian coverage minimum. Keep up the good work and i hope you approve of my work on this and on most of the other African places I have edited. I;ve created over half the missing locator maps  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I;ve begun adding the infoboxes -it should take a few weeks to cover them all but as I say if all the african countries could be as informative as these ones then my concerns about uneven coverage would begin to relax a little!!! Best regards  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!
I had no idea of your growing family. No wonder I haven't seen you around the wiki! Very happy for you. -Pete (talk) 23:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, congrats! Katr67 (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Main page nomination for Manzanar
With the 39th Annual Manzanar Pilgrimage coming up on April 26, I have nominated Manzanar to be on Wikipedia's main page on that date. Please add your support for that at Today's featured article requests. Thank you! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The nomination was removed intially because there can only be five nominations on that page, but it's back, so if you are so incllined, please offer your support. Thanks! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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WG
Hi, I've posted some new proposals at the WG wiki and would appreciate everyone's input. Check also the Recent Changes there to see pages with new activity. Thanks, Elonka 06:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have ported over the first section of the WG "Dealing with disputes" page, here to the EN wiki, at New admin school/Dispute resolution. If you have a chance, could you please take a look before I make it more public?  Thanks, --Elonka 16:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Shalmaneser IV
Hi, may I ask for the sources of your edit. Thanks, --Flominator (talk) 12:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

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Kundudo, Ethiopian entries
Dear llywrch did you know Wirch or wrch means the amazing climate zone of afroalpine vegetation in Amharic? Thanks for following the Ethiopian entries, really. A note: the Kundudo is at the centre of a lot of interest lately, it has been found not only to be the home of the lost feral horses of Africa, but the siege of a lot of ongoing research and a rare environment conservation effort. If there were a way to register hits on the voice you would probably find it is 'hotter' now than any other famous mountain in the country. Would you consider upgrading the entry rating?

I am seriously considering pushing with my own means an effort to push a rapid growth of the Amharic wiki. Over 60 million speakers in Ethiopia, presumably at least as many the world over: an endless well of lost knowledge, ancient culture with many, many entries to develop. A way to increase teh English wiki of a good significant 20,000 entries in a few months. It is so far (wiki.am) only a very limited version of 3,000 entries, not growing. Yet there is staggering thousands, multiplying in months, who use the net in amharic, as you may guess form the downloads of amharic keyboards software, fonts... All I need is a school with ten computers and a ridiculous amount of money to pay clever students some pocket money. Then, say at 50,000 entries print them all in max 15 lines and one photo per article where available, all in one big book, to print very very cheaply in Addis, sold at 10 euros, a copy in every village administration. Know of a better way to become Ethiopia's Voltaire?


 * Hello, anon. No, I did not know that fact about "Wirch". That is interesting. Based on your request, I have upped the importance to "Mid"; if you have further sources that demonstrate the importance of Kundudo, please add them because they may justify a higher ranking. I agree with you that there is a well of information about Ethiopia that needs to be added to Wikipedia; unfortunately, I'm just one person & often the problem of too many subjects keep me from doing a satisfactory job on those I try to address. Good luck with the Amharic Wikipedia: since I'm not fluent with the language, I really can't be of much help with that. -- llywrch (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Llywrch, I am marcoetio, my profile is as scanty as my skills in wiki. Often I just forget to log on with my name, as the system still takes for good the gibberish I write, I keep forgetting. I will send the idea of a school based centre to others writing or with interest in Ethiopia. What I need, I did not dare be frank, is small contributions, goodness knows from where, to pay around 20 dollars a month to young guys doing the job in a place or form their internet cafes. Possibly more to qualified supervisors. Too many engagements, money an time in Ethiopia to do this all alone. Will look around, do you know of wiki development funds, who to ask to? -- marcoetio Marcoetio (talk) 08:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Having seen Nicolaas Smith's behaviour for well over a year (his contributions are always immediately recognizable), I fully agree that there is little likelihood he will ever be anything other than a single-issue obsessed promoter of his own personal truth. More importantly, no likelihood can be seen that he will ever work with others according to generally-accepted rules or politeness. And he's had plenty of chances.
 * Thanks for taking a common-sense approach to this.--Gregalton (talk) 04:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's unlikely Mr. Smith will let things stand; he's obsessed. Nice to know I'm not the only one who recognises the type.--Gregalton (talk) 07:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army
Hi. I'm the author of Late Roman army. Thank you very much for your comments. I have responded to each point on the review page. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Valerie Day
Hey, it was great to meet you last Wednesday! Hopefully I'll be able to stop by again sometime. So I restored this article, as it appears that the user who gutted it has been inactive for a while. Still, I'm thinking we should work to try to find some sources to put our money where our tags are. I'm feeling too lazy to do anything about it today but maybe you have some interest? Life would be so much easier if source were provided from the get-go. Have you seen this: Heathman Hotel? Katr67 (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot
HI there as I can no longer edit at the pump, please speak to User:Fritzpoll. The idea is that we collavborate with all of the infiduvual wikiprojects and ensure we create the articles to the best of ourt ability and plan out and sort out names or anything else, sources etc in advance. Nothing will be done without prior discussion, unfortunately most of the people on that page have miscontrued what will actually be done. Many countries will be different and have diffferent sources. We will try to use the best and more detailed sources avilabale as suggested or proposed by each wikirpoject who have better knowledge of their countries. So Ethopia etc would be discussed and then the bot would merely establish the articles after humans have organized what will be done. There is a huge misconception that this is a lousy bot just intended to sub stub without proper planning for the future, If the information is avilabale ther eis no reason why the bot couldn't create stub-start class articles. Any naming of places would be sorted in advance and we would warmly wlecome as much constructive input regarding naming and sources a spossible. Thankyou   ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 19:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this was a good use of full protection. Non-admins have as much a right to comment at such proposals as administrators and stopping ordinary editors from commenting, even for a few minutes is not a good idea. There is no hierarchy of opinion at such pages, and administrators should be able to deal with edit conflicts, as the rest of us do (and with a slow connection) Regards, EJF (talk) 19:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll take it as an invocation of WP:IAR ;) Still, it may be better to copy your comments (as I do) beforehand if you suspect an edit conflict coming up, and paste them in afterwards. Regards, EJF (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S I had begun adding infoboxes and maps to your articles. Perhaps a bot could fill the rest in. If we could get most of the Africa countries up to Ethiopia level things would devleop massively. Thanks for your effort  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 12:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I know I was going to continue today and help but I got sidetracked. Its actually funny that they used Ethiopia and as example of a "poor article". They have no idea. Ethiopia on wikipedia thankks to you is actually one of the best covered and quality set of articles than many of the other african countries combined. Aside from South Africa and Egypt, if the other countries developed articles like ethiopian geograghy ones this site would be enormously improved. They should try browsing through the cities in Guinea or Liberia category. Even the capital city is as stub! I;ve been trying to get infoboxes added to most countries. I did Sudan the other day. Any sources you know of which could develop any of the other Africa geo articles or potential sources that the bot could use, please let me know. Imagine what could be done if we had ten or twenty decent editors like ourselves to develop this. What the bot would actually do is allow my to stop worrying about the huge content missing and concentrate on developing quality. Keep in touch. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 20:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to clear it up, at the village pump I certainly wasn't referring to you when I said about the "humans have clearly shown extreme inconsistency and ability to generate articles consistently". I was referring to many of the other editors who have created geo sub stubs without references, proper categories or details. If many of the others followed your example of things then as I say it would develop fast. Regards  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 09:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I did some work on Eritrea a while back and managed to get a flickr agreement sorted. I started the Gash-Setit article and numerous settlements stubs as well as starting all the districts. If there was info to expand them I'd gladly help. The Gash-Setit wasn't easy to the write, as it is a centre of conflict as with many locations on the borders of these countries. If there are any inaccuracies or any issues which ar enot accurate from an Ethiopian viewpoint please add them. I was only using what sources I found. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 15:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes thats the comment, I thought it may have been towards myself. Glad to have cleared that up. Regards  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Hi I was wondering if you have any books on Ethiopian history. I had intended to start Biru Goshu, but there is practically nothing on the web. Would you be able to look into it? I'll see if I can get hold of some Bradt guides to Eritrea, Ghana and Benin. There are few going on ebay at present which are updo date so I'll see if I can bid for one. Thanks  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Your collection sounds very impressive, I've always admired User:John Hill's collection on central asian history. I'v just bought a 450 page book on Burkina Faso and have my eye on a books Sudan and Benin so hopefully I can develop something although I;ve always wanted to get some specialist books but they cost a fortune. I had wanted to develop the Dalai Lama general article to FA but I haven't the books, one book I required was $125!! Yes I;d noticed Birru linked in several articles sometimes spelt just Biru. I'd imagine Birru is the correct one though... If I could find some resources on those people I;d make a start on one of them...  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Yes LOL kind of like reading an entire magazine in the shop without buying it!!! Shame my library has been closed for over a year!! Hopefully some day it will be restored. Some information from good meaty books on various parts of Africa is just what this wikipedia could use an overdose of. Happy editing. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Let me know which one is Abate in this image. Either that or here. I can crop an image for the article if required. Also Ethiopia is first on the agenda for adding infoboxes. The next step will be to follow Ethiopia's exmaple and try to spread this standard to every country in Africa and Asia and worldwide ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 15:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hola. Oh The Bald One or "His Baldness" will do LOL. I've added an image I hope it is correct. Ethiopian copywright law as you say is probably difficult to define so I added a fair use rationale. I can't think of a DYK tag though. I couldn't think of one for Media and telecommunications in Seychelles which I recently started either. There ought to be a new section "Decent new articles where we can't find a tag line". Anyway hope it helps. If you need any images of people, I'm very quick at cropping and uploading. Comes with practice! Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC) P.S the bones of the new project are being drawn up at User:John Carter/GEOBOT group. If you have some input or any suggestions please feel free to address them to myself, John Carter or Fritz. Hopefully something will be up and running asap. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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Seattle meetup 5
Hi Llywrch, I see that you've attended Seattle meetup 3 in 2006. I hope that you'll find the time to make it to the next one on June 19! Bestchai (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sesame
This edit says about the "south Indian native S. mulayanum Nair". While completely ignorant of the scientific side of the things but being a native of that area, it is not clear what this is supposed to be. The "sesanum mulayanum" appears to be the scientific name of a variety of sesame, Nair is the surname of a person - N Chandrasekharan Nair in this case. The two seem to have got mixed up. Could you please clarify this a bit. Cherian Nair (talk) 05:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You could be right. I did not know about the naming convention. Cherian Nair (talk) 06:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Dead link
Hi. One concerning thing is that I've tried the link for the 2005 population references on some of the towns in Oromia, and the link is dead. Any idea why this is? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 20:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I tried some ones I think from Oromia Region A-L. I'm not sure whether its my server as I tried entering that site in a new article created by our ethiopian friend and that didn't work either. I wasn't questioning the source as such I was actually looking to see if I could find some more data to start others with but I unfortunately couldn't access it  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 18:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, yes I figured it might be something to do with that. Don't worry about sending them, it just might catch somebody reading the page if they click the link thats all to verify it. I've had a look at some of the other african national statistics sites and there is practically nothing on the towns and villages, its mostly basic socio-economic data on districts or provinces for those I've looked at. I;ve made good prgress today-I've added info boxes to Mozambique, Guinea, Chad and am now half way through Malawi!. When it is done hopefully I can expand some more articles like Inhambane. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes I noted before. I had intended to find a citation. I've actually gone throught countries like Guinea Bissau today primarily adding population figures and references. I'll probably do Guinea tomorrow. I pleasantly surpised myself that I managed to develop Inhambane and a couple of others from a one liner. I managed to find a fair bit in google books and finding scraps, and I made some notes on paper before writing it. I just hope someday there will be enough info avialable to write full articles on such places in Africa which deserve every bit the flourishing article that we see on cities and towns in the western world. What I'm thinking of doing is drawing up a core list of African cities e.g with a opulation over 50,000 and working through them to try to ensure they are all beyond a stub class. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Shows you should never trust unreferenced material! 2007 census is reported as 63,000, perhaps the 77,000 was accounting for tourists. Yes have a go at google book search some places, it often picks up pages in very interesting history books on Africa which mention a thing or two. If I could get my hands on such books I would but even extracts can be useful. I managed to expand some of the Mozambique towns with info on the attacks from Rhodesia where the Selous Scouts attacked ZANLA bases in south-west Mozambique in 1976. A lot of the info on places particularly central and north/ western africa was in French. I roughly translated another one liner Houmt Souk from French wikipedia. It needs some copy editing but it is a major improvement in terms of knolwedge. If we could fill out most of the sub stubs on the cities like this all over Africa it would be looking a lot more fuller. It can be very frustrating clicking a link on a place in Africa and 90% of the time, Ethiopia excluded of course finding a sub stub time after time and zlich available for it. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 20:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

E.g here is something on Lake Alemaya. There is a town on Alemaya, perhaps these are connected and it could be expanded? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 20:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Creating geo lists
Hi I've made an intital suggestion at the GEOBOT talk page in that it would be an excellent idea to generate a full lists of places in a tabled list. Once this is accomplished we can work through what articles could be started in their own right if there is enough info avilabale. I see it as a solid comprehensive base to build geo content on if we have a full world list organized like this. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography/Bot. Please offer your thoughts thanks  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 14:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Fatherhood and arbcom
I saw your transition to fatherhood on your blog; congratulations! As to Yorkshirian, I'd be happy to comment, but I'm uncertain what to post as I've not contributed to an Arbcom case before. I'd be willing to put together a set of diffs showing the interaction you saw, which I feel demonstrated quite uncivil behaviour. Should I add a statement to the Arbcom page? Or is there a subsequent phase in which those diffs might be relevant as evidence? Mike Christie (talk) 09:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hosaina
Hi, I'd like to make an article on the village of Hosaina, in Welamo. I think it's between Arba Minch and Sodo, but am not sure. Do any of your sources show it on a map, or which woreda it's in? Badagnani (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks, I made a redirect. Any idea why the Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region article doesn't list all the woredas? Can we do this? And add a category for this region to categorize all articles related to this region? Badagnani (talk) 04:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I see, I'm sorting things out now--things are documented but not always in the proper format, or connected in the way to let people find them. The only problem now is the partial list of woredas at Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region. I think I'll remove the half dozen and just use the "see also" to take people to the complete list of woredas. Badagnani (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

They're there after all, at Southern_Nations%2C_Nationalities%2C_and_People%27s_Region. I just made them more apparent and easily findable. Badagnani (talk) 04:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I just think it's best to keep things logical. List of woredas in the Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region is not organized by zone, so it seems okay to just list all the yes-zone woredas and the no-zone woredas there. We could either list all the woredas at Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region, or put all of them at List of woredas in the Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region, or list them all at both articles. Badagnani (talk) 04:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

2007–2008 Ethiopian crackdown in Ogaden ACR
Excellent work ln the review there. Many thanks, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 08:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Bethel, Missouri page
Curious if you recall what source you have for the section on Bethel, Missouri that notes: "However, the construction of the Hannibal & St. Joseph Railroad threatened his theocracy." Looking to update this page with additional town history. Thanks! --CercareVerita (talk) 23:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

King Arthur
Hi :) Just thought I'd drop in and say hi; I was intrigued by your FAC post so I thought I'd check when you first edited the article: 29 October 2002!  Anyway, nice to meet you :)  All the best, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 08:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol! In my defence, I did check first with an admin before using it at all and it is the only academic monograph to attempt a full-scale analysis of survey of all the early Welsh and Breton Arthurian material (and the etymology question, to which a chapter is devoted) since perhaps the 1970s: most recent publications which don't deal chiefly with the HB/AC are either articles or chapters which tend to look at specific texts on their own and not bring the material together to attempt a proper analysis (Padel's 1994 article is an exception, but it only deals with a sub-set of the whole material, whilst his 2000 book is very much a surface-skimming popular work, although insightful). So I had limited choices! :-) As to future wiki projects, I am indeed looking for a new one once this one gets through FAC.  I have two chapters of a book to finish and two articles to finish revisions on before sending back to the journals and then I'll be ready, so let me know if there are any priorites :)  All the best, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Safety of the Large Hadron Collider
Request for comment. Could you consider providing a third party comment on the current content dispute at Talk:Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider.

An editor is arguing for removal of explanations of organized safety opposition motivations and concerns as "not reliable" and "original research". Published peer reviewed papers challenging the primary safety argument "Hawking Radiation" have also been removed as "not relevant". Thank you. --Jtankers (talk) 16:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Working Group Wiki Final Report
Hey, as a reminder, the Working Group is approaching our 6-month deadline for producing our final report. The draft is being built at. Could you please stop in, and see if there is anything you'd like to add? Or if not, just signoff at the talkpage that you are okay on how things are going? Thanks, Nishkid (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army
Hi. I'm consulting you because you contributed to the peer review of this article. What I would ask you to do is to read the revised article Late Roman army through and give me your opinion on whether you think it's A-class.

Wandalstouring recently nominated it for A-class review, but the results of the exercise were disappointing, to say the least. The problem was that we got only one comment, from someone who, as it turned out, knows nothing about Roman history and who only bothered to read the intro and the first few paras. See WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Late Roman army. After my response, the commentator appointed himself copyeditor (without invitation) and proceeded to edit in a way that obliged me to make factual corrections to virtually every para (see the History of the article). The commentator then suggested the article should be transformed into a kind of sequel to the blood-and-sex TV series Rome (see the Discussion page of the article). So what should have been a serious review of a serious article turned into a farce. After the first couple of sections, I had to request that he stop the copyedit. Someone then closed the review after just 4 days and before anyone else had had a chance to comment.

I don't accept that this process was a remotely valid assessment of the article and intend to renominate it in the near future. But first I would like to build a body of support that can weigh in at the appropriate moment. So do let me have your views. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding. The absurd aspect of the review that's just been held is that issues of style are not relevant to A-class. The guidelines state:

"Please note that (unlike an actual featured article) an A-class article is not expected to meet all the criteria for featured article. An objection should indicate a substantive problem with the article. In particular, objections over relatively minor issues of writing style or formatting should be avoided at this stage; a comprehensive, accurate, well-sourced, and decently-written article should qualify for A-class status even if it could use some further copyediting."

In other words, assessment should be based on the content, not the presentation, of the article i.e. on substance not trivia. I look forward to hearing your views. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 04:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Bule Hora
Your research shows this to be a total hoax, so I've tagged it for speedy deletion per WP:CSD. Just thought I'd let you know. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 00:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXIX (July 2008)
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Online and offline sources
I saw your note about an dispatch regarding offline sources. I share your frustration regarding the seeming inability of many editors to enter a library, but I'm not sure that an offline/online distinction is helpful. For example, many databases contain abstracts of articles that are only in print - is that an online or offline source? I think almost all good research "nowadays" is a combination of the two. Searching card catalogs is no longer offline, for example. :) Perhaps we need a "welcome to the library" dispatch? Awadewit (talk) 15:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Al-Ghazi
Whether or not you have successfully defended that editorializing in the past does not change the fact that it is original research. Just follow the link to the No original research noticeboard; it's all laid out there. Causteau (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are indeed one of the people that drafted the original research guidelines, I find it especially ironic that -- assuming you are the person that inserted that editorializing into the article in the first place -- you should so blatantly violate those very same policies. I don't need to re-explain myself here and neither does Vassyana, the other editor that couldn't help but also notice the fundamentally POV nature of the edits in question (not to mention the user RoboRanks before either one of us). Again, it's all laid out on the No original research noticeboard. Causteau (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Had I known you were the one who inserted that material into the article -- as already indicated by my statement above to the effect that "assuming you are the person that inserted that editorializing into the article in the first place" -- I would have alerted you (not that that would've made much of a difference). That you sincerely believe you did not insert POV has also already been established, as has the obvious editorializing. You can further speculate on what exactly Vassyana meant by "it's a fairly clear example of original research. It even deviates into obvious editorial analysis" but that as well doesn't make the edit any less POV. Causteau (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Working Group Final Report
As a reminder, the Working Group's deadline to post a final report, occurs on August 7. A draft final report is now on EN, at Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars/Draft report. Could you please review it, and either edit it, post comments at the talkpage, and/or post your endorsement at the bottom of the report? Thanks, Nishkid (talk) 23:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heya, we're planning on making the report final tomorrow (August 7, the 6-month mark). If you get a chance, could you please review and/or endorse? Thanks, --Elonka 14:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army
You told me to remind you to comment on Late Roman army if I didn't hear anything. Regards EraNavigator (talk) 09:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject AE question
Dear Llywrch, I have finally joined the Wiki project AE site and placed a single banner on my User site. (I'm not really a fan of banners personally). My question is this: how do you determine how many articles on Wikipedia (or WikiCommons) has url links to this site: ? How do I check for it or is it just something that an Admin can do? Its a great site for images but sadly when you click on the Information link, the author says the images here are CF free for NC use. So I have sadly used Fair use justifications (like here: Image:Psusennes I funerary mask2.jpg instead of placing a few of its photos on Commons. I guess some people may think since its CF free, images here can be placed on commons. I've contacted the author Hayter for OTRS permission to legally place an image on Commons but have not received no response thus far. (That was 2 days ago) An Admin on Commons thinks he may not provide permission if he is just promoting his web page)
 * BTW, You're from Oregon? I'm from BC, Canada--same time zone. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 19:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

PS: In your personal estimate, how many articles here are really well written and sourced like these ones on Aryamani or Senkamanisken (by Udimu and myself) compared to this: Kush? Is it only 10% or less? I have noticed most articles on Wikipedia simply lack any sources for verifiability. Leoboudv (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Llywrch for the information. The number of photos from ancientegypt.co.uk is very small and most are old black and white images. There may be more in future but not now. Your article on Petronius doesn't have any footnotes at all. Anyway, Wikipedia still seems much better than Citizendium which doesn't even have an article on Ramesses II. Incredible! Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 18:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Llywrch, I would say that many editors don't have academic training. In my userpage, i noted I am a postsecondary graduate. I wrote 90% of this article on Psusennes I and it is well sourced and referenced. Its just a shame the Commons photo of his funerary mask is horrid (out of focus, camera afterflash, etc)...which is why I'm trying to get one image from Hayter's site. Too many people visited the Cairo Museum in the past just to see the Tutankhamun collection and they ignored the Museum's display of the treasures from Tanis--where 3 kings tombs were found intact. But now all photography has been banned from Egypt's Cairo and Luxor Museums--including all the tombs of the VOK--so its too late for anyone to snap a free image and place it on Commons. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 22:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you feel the need it is okay to edit sited sources?
I have sited every claim with third party sources and as such, please refrain from removing sited sources. Yes you are ethiocentric...just because you're not Ethopian does not mean you don't harbor this view...looking at what you edit, it's no wonder why you came here rushing to edit page. Again, I have no problems with you working on Eritrean pages but editing sited sources is something that goes against this site's rules... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zooted09 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army
It's best if you put your comments on my talk page, so as to keep all the material in one place. Thanks EraNavigator (talk) 06:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Tag team
Hiya, just wanted to let you know about this page, which is an outgrowth of our discussions at the Working Group wiki. Since you were involved with the development of the definitions there, I wanted to invite you to the new page here on EN, in case you'd like to participate with its development. --Elonka 17:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethiopian military history
Hi! I've been following your commendable work on the battles of the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, & noticed that you recently linked to the article Army of the Ethiopian Empire. The topic of this article duplicates Military history of Ethiopia, although its contents would be better matched to an article entitled Military history of the Axumite Kingdom. This leads me to wonder -- & ask your opinion on -- whether it would be best to have a series of 3 articles here: one on the history of the Axumite kingdom, another on the medieval empire (from circa 1300 to 1850), & the last on the military of Ethiopia from Tewodros II onwards (the existing article on the Military history). This would conform to the general state of the evidence -- there is little for the period AD 700 - 1300 -- & the pre-1850 military is so different from the military since that date that I think it makes sense to divide the topic there. Of course, doing this would mean that a number of links would need to be redone... -- llywrch (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 100% your call. I made the link mainly because the "Army of the Ethiopian Empire" article does touch (even if only a little bit) on the more modern conflicts.  Best Wishes! Mkpumphrey (talk) 02:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in uninvited, but that sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure why Army of the Ethiopian Empire was created when it basically covers 90% of Ethiopian history from the Aksumite Empire to 1974. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 02:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army
Hi. Thank you very much for your detailed comments on Late Roman army (it's a relief to have someone comment on the content rather than on presentation!). I have responded to some of them by expanding the Sources section to include a para on Vegetius and another on the (lack of) inscription evidence. I have also added a Tactics subsection to Strategy & Tactics (please do have a look).

As regards the other points:
 * 1) I know a section on the army's supply/support infrastructure would be useful: but so would one on barbarian weapons and tactics, rise of Christianity, etc etc. The point is that the article is already long (I've struggled to keep it under 120k). There's only so much an article like this can contain. So I've focused on the features that make the late army different. As you say, the support infrastructure is not new to the 4th c.
 * 2) I'm surprised that you find the tone of the essay overconfident. I've gone out of my way to ensure that virtually statement is qualified by "possibly", "may be", "likely" or "probably" and every figure is preceded by circa. Where there is a modern mainstream consensus, I set it out because the article would be pretty worthless to a reader if I didn't. But I also make clear differences of opinion e.g. on grand strategy, unit sizes, barbarisation
 * 3) I understand (and share) your concern about the length of the Evolution section. But I think it's inevitable if the changes of the 3rd/4th c. are to be intelligible to the average reader. Linking to other articles doesn't help as none contain the info in an accessible form, or at all e.g. Diocletian has nothing about his army reforms (conscription etc) or indictiones and tied peasants.
 * 4) As far as I can see, Campaign history of the Roman army contains nothing of use to my article. It's just a list of campaigns and battles whose value is as a linked index to the dedicated articles.

In conclusion, would you support this article for A class? Time to get off the fence. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 02:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be very grateful if you could (when you have time) also look at my Roman military confederation article, which covers the pre-Social war Republican army. Thanks and best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 11:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Duplicates
Dear Llywrch, What is the deletion code for removing duplicates? ie: –   This image was uploaded to Commons from wikipedia with the same image title but it still remains on Wikipedia: Image:Stela of Tuthmosis I.jpg Please 1. delete this image on Commons and 2. let me know what is the tagging code for deleting duplicates. BTW, is there a deletion code for copy violations? In the latter case, I assume I must provide the source where an image was copied from. Wonder how I would type that? Leoboudv (talk) 00:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Late Roman army/Battle of Chalons
(1) Thanks for your support for Late Roman army: I'll insert a para or two on the supply infrastructure, but it will necessarily be brief. The only reason I'm interested in getting A-class for this article is that I've been told it is less likely to be messed around with if it has that status. I don't mean by vandals (that will happen anyway), but by well-intentioned amateurs who know nothing about the subject. I'll obviously alert you when it's resubmitted for review. (PS: I'm glad you agree about the MOS nonsense)

(2) Regarding Battle of Chalons, I must decline your invitation to expand it, interesting though the subject matter is. The reason is that I've decided to call a halt to my contributions to Wikipedia (apart from completing my current articles). The reason is that I want to be an author, not an editor. I have contributed to Wiki in order to hone my research/writing skills, but the time has now come to write articles on my own copyrighted website, free of the constraints of no OR, MOS, etc. What I can offer, if you are interested, is my comments on how it could be improved (as you have done for my article).

(3) For your information, the other articles I've written for Wiki include: Auxilia, Battle of Strasbourg, List of Roman legions (intro & tables on early empire legions), List of Roman auxiliary regiments (unfinished), Peregrinus (Roman), Laeti, East Roman army (unfinished), Via Aemilia. Non-Roman subjects: Battle of Navarino, Cape Sounion, Paros. Best wishes EraNavigator (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)