User talk:Lorelei

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Articles for creation/Abner Ramirez
Hi! Many thanks for reviewing my submission and also for your comments which I found very helpful. I agree that a re-direct is the best way to go. Thanks again! Kate (Kate) —Preceding undated comment added 12:24, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kate! Really pleased you found the comments helpful. And thank you so much for writing - it's lovely (and rare) to get some feedback as a reviewer! Just give me a shout if I can be of any more help ... All best, Loriski (talk) 13:57, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Color on your userpage
Hi Loriski. I saw that you were trying to put color on your userpage. The userpage design center might be able to offer some help. Happy editing! David 1217 15:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

"In-use" banners
You might want to add "in-use" banners at the top of pages you're working on. See: WP:TMAIN. (Not for use on pages under-going single edits, but helpful for those which are undergoing repeated edits over a short period of time.) --S. Rich (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the tip! Have whacked one on :) Loriski (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Another tip. No need to place detailed edit descriptions/justifications on the Talk page. Your edits are well-founded and don't need discussion. When there is doubt or a dispute about any edits, then you should use Talk. See WP:BRD for more info. For editing tests, use your. See WP:SAND. Once added, Talkpage comments should not be deleted, especially others' comments. (Unless they are clear violations of WP:NPA.) To "remove" or retract your own comments, you might use strikeout typeface. (For the present, just leave the Talk page as is. What you've done is fine.)--S. Rich (talk) 14:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you again :) This is really helpful advice - I've tried to figure out what was common practice on this but couldn't see any clear patterns so erred on the side of caution. Many thanks! Loriski (talk) 14:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Service Award

 * While you have not edited for 3 months (as "required" by the award criteria), I present this well-deserved Service Award for the outstanding series of contributions to Wikipedia:

At your three month mark (or sooner should you prefer), you might move this award to your userpage.
 * --S. Rich (talk) 22:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow!! Thank you so much S. Rich - this has made my month!! And thank you too for your helpful tips along the way :) I will definitely be proudly moving this to my userpage! Loriski (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Next week

 * Just a few more days and you can proudly display these as well:


 * --S. Rich (talk) 03:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

The Daily Squib
Hi Loriski - the above was resubmitted with just about no attention to your beyond-the-call-of-duty helpful guidance. I declined it again, with the suggestion the the author first revise it in accordance with your comments. Just so you are aware.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Daily_Squib

David FLXD (talk) 08:11, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Loriski I thank you for your help in editing the article for the Daily Squib. I am obviously new to this and would really appreciate some understanding. I have adjusted the article as you requested.Kevin.fernandez424 (talk) 19:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you, thank you, thank!
Thank you so much for approving Anna Green Winslow -- especially at a time when you're swamped! And thank you so much for the baklava. How did you know it's my favorite? :) Miss Ivonne (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar
Hi Loriski, thanks for the barnstar on the Jason Glanville article. Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 15:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

(Father)John Kenyon page
Thank you so much for your extensive work on Kenyon page. I'd been at it ages and was becoming frustrated. Still a few pics which I uploaded (Google images) that I cannot get onto page. Don't have the expertise! Have a look at Rasher Tierney talk page and see what you think of his deletion of Kenyon comment on Daniel O'Connell page. Meenagh (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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welcome thanks!
hello, thank you for welcoming me to wikipedia! i'm glad you're here too :-) i liked the picture of two little kingfishers! Kitfox32 (talk) 14:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Hart (Jamaican historian and politician)
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Hope I have helped :) I am happy to help more, especially on the template discussion page. Karafs (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Resource exchange
Hello.Your request was fulfilled.You can find a link to the article/s you requested in the relevant section at WP:RX.Please indicate when you've downloaded successfully and add a resolved tag to your request.Thank you.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much Shrike - that's brilliant! Loriski (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

resource request
Hi Loriski,

I've uploaded an article that you requested at the resource exchange. You can find a link to the article on that page. Best, GabrielF (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Neil L Whitehead
You are doing excellent work! I have reviewed Castellani House, Guyana for you, and made some changes on Neil L Whitehead, including a change in the order of the sections to conform with WP:ORDER, part of the WP:MOS. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you DThomsen8! Your lovely comment and your help on these articles are very much appreciated :) All best, Loriski (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You are quite welcome. Note that I added

to the talk:Castellani House, Guyana page, which adds the article to the Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Guyana list. I am adding an entry on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guyana page to encourage people in Guyana to take photos and therefore shorten the list of requested photos. On the other hand, those who create or update articles about structures in Guyana should add this template to the talk page if there is no photo or an outdated photo in the article. I added a photo request for Demerara Harbour Bridge because the toll booth is not the bridge, and to Demerara Harbour Bridge because pilings are not the bridge, either. Keep up the good work, and please don't rush out to take photos, keep on with what you are already doing. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Great idea! When the time's right (as you say), I'll see what I can do to help out with this... Loriski (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Requests for Guyana photos
When I started, there were fewer than ten photo requests for Guyana, and now there are 31. Consult with your fellow Wikipedians in Guyana, and perhaps you can have a photo hunt event in Georgetown. Take a look at the various tools, including the Google and Bing maps, shown on the photo request page. The image checking will show some of the pages as having images, but they are maps, not photos of the building, church, fort, or in the case of the market, the facade and interior. There are some Guyana photos in Wikimedia Commons, including the unidentified cathedral shown here. Consider [] as a tool to load photos into Wikimedia Commons. It makes adding the captions and other information easy, especially if you organize a hunt or campaign to get many photos at one time. I hope I have not overwhelmed you and your fellow Wikipedians in a small country. Best wishes!--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * WOW - this is amazing that you've done all of this. I've uploaded the few relevant photos I've got to Commons (Stabroek Market and the Uni, and then some not on this list - Canje River, Kabakaburi, Pomeroon River).  I'm not in Guyana at the moment (will be there next July), but I have written to a load of friends to ask if anyone would be up for going on a photo-hunt.  We have one volunteer already :) Hopefully get them to join up to wiki along the way too - we'll see :) Thanks so much for getting this rolling - it's a great idea you've had, and no doubt will help coverage of GY on Wiki no end! Loriski (talk) 16:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S. Photo on left is Georgetown City Hall (I don't know whey they've described it as a Cathedral!!!) Loriski (talk) 17:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Given your very positive reaction, I have gone ahead and added more reqphoto entries, now totalling 48, and I am sure I can push that number up some more. If you have a photo hunt, be sure to be ready to award prizes, at least barnstars for everyone, and maybe something more practical as well. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Brilliant! Thank you so much for doing this :) Do keep adding if you can - the more the merrier! If I can get folk to join up on wiki, I'll definitely dish out barnstars (maybe need to look into making a 'Guyana contributions' barnstar as well, to add to the photography one - would you know how to do that?); either way, I'll make sure to sort out thank you gifties for those involved. All best, Loriski (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Also - a question for you. I uploaded a couple of pics of Stabroek Market here, but I don't know if these were quite what you were thinking of/if the article would benefit from them, and if so, where best to add them... Any thoughts?
 * The photos should have the dates they were taken on the Commons page. I will get back to you soon on the rest of your questions.--DThomsen8 (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)



There are now 70 requests for photos for Guyana. The last one I added was Chlorocardium rodiei, a tree known in Guyana as Greenheart. I am going to leave the effort to take and later add photos to you and your colleagues in Guyana. I have some watchlist entries for articles here, so I will check up on what happens now. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, Greenhearts are so beautiful :) I may have a photo of some actually - will have a hunt. Thank you again for all your efforts (70!!! Amazing!).  I'm currently working on the City Hall article... Loriski (talk) 01:29, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * After my outdent, then we use one colon at a time to start indenting again. The Greenheart is prized for its extremely hard wood, making it vulnerable to overharvesting. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guyana. You should copy this section asking for help with photos instead of coordinates. Much better that you do it, since you are on the project.  (I suppose I could add myself to the project, though) --DThomsen8 (talk) 11:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Whether you do the above or not, I think you're an honorary member by now - whence the userbox ;) Am out this evening but will do this when I come back if you haven't done it already. I'll try to help out some on coordinates too.  I have a good recent map here - though it definitely won't be at the sort of scale needed to get building/monument coordinates etc (how did you do that for City Hall, by the way?!)  Thank you again for doing all this.  Loriski (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I added myself to the list of Guyana project members. I am in too deep to pretend otherwise. Two answers on providing coordinates: ask other project members how they did it, and Google maps with the right add-on can provide the coordinates. (I haven't actually done that for many years, but I think I can find out how.) Beyond that, there are GPS digital cameras that put the coordinates on photos. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Obtaining geographic coordinates has coordinate information. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Guyana now has 115 entries. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Woops - missed this the first time! Amazing - I will send the updated version over to the couple of friends I've found who are up for helping out this evening... Lorelei (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Guyana Wiki
Are you familiar with the [| Guyana Wiki?]

"Welcome to Guyana Wiki The Encyclopedia of Guyana the free encyclopedia that anyone can contribute to Unfortunatly we had to close registration because of Spam Bots. If you want to participate, then contact one of the staff! 1,830 articles in English WE ARE GOOGLE SCRIPT FREE" is on their home page. I sent an email to [] Eco-1 asking for access to the Guyana Wiki. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No - I'd never heard of this. Looks like a potentially interesting site/source... Brilliant you spotted it!  Have followed you and written to them too - thanks for making it so easy.  Delighted you joined up to the Guyana project, by the way :) And thank you too for these tips on Co-ordinates... will have a read of that help page soon. Lorelei (talk) 23:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If we don't get a reply to emails, then you should ask a project member in Georgetown to pursue this for us. These two web sites are not particularly friendly when it comes to contact information. Ah, maybe I should pursue domain name registrations! (Idea pops into my head.) No real hurry, but the Wikipedia project members can contribute to the Guyana Wiki, and vice versa, if we can get it going. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Great idea :) Yes, I'll certainly try to get track down someone in GY who is involved in this project if we don't hear back from them...

Commons...
I am requesting a rename on Commons. My current Commons name is Loriski. Lorelei (talk) 01:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Commons...
I am requesting a rename on Commons. My current Commons name is Loriski. Lorelei (talk) 09:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * ✅ - Lorelei (talk) 11:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guyana/Assessment
Take a look at WikiProject_Guyana/Assessment, which I created from other projects and adapted for Guyana. The assessment table is a useful way to see which articles are important, and may need more attention (importance=), and which articles are low quality (class=) and may need more material. Also, clicking on "???" across the top produces a list of articles without an importance rating. Take a look, especially the Guyana examples cited. There may be better choices there. Go ahead and make changes there if you think that other choices would be better. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * WOW!! This is amazing. I have actually wished that something like this page existed many times when I've been thinking about what articles to work on.  And I was thinking about asking you about it, but I didn't want to hassle you as you'd done so much already... Amazing - thank you so much :) So you've basically got WikiProject Guyana going again (it seemed to me that it had been semi-dead for ages)!!


 * Actually it would be great to get your opinion - and maybe have a collective think about - importance ratings in Guyana, as I think some aren't properly rated for importance at the moment (but that may be because I've not understood the categories properly)... I'm a bit unclear particularly about the distinction between Top and High. So, as I understand it, defining articles (like Guyana or Culture of Guyana) definitely go in 'Top', but should this category also include things like the most notable geographical features, historical events, political movements and politicians in Guyana e.g. Kaieteur Falls, Berbice Slave Uprising or Jonestown, the PPP and the PNC, Cheddi Jagan and Forbes Burnham?


 * Going by a bit of what I've seen on other WikiProjects and a lot of intuition I think I assume that the categories should maybe work as follows, but maybe you could clarify for me...:


 * Top = Defining articles (as on your assessment page) like Guyana, Culture of Guyana, History of Guyana etc. (but also see above for uncertainty)


 * High = Guyana's most notable/famous geographical and cultural features, political movements and politicians, historical events, artists and cultural figures (e.g. I would put Essequibo River (like you say) and Martin Carter, for example, both here). I think I would also put major settlements (Georgetown, New Amsterdam, Lethem) here.


 * Mid = Notable geographical and cultural features, political movements and politicians, historical events and cultural figures. I would also put all substantial settlements in here.  So, for example, I think I would put Canje River, Cyril Dabydeen, Annai and the Umana Yana here.


 * Low = all the rest. So I think I'd put minor companies, events, artists, natural features here e.g. Zombie Creek (as it's a minor tributary not a river etc) or Guyana Pepperpot (significant but basically a minor article about the bigger topic of Guyanese cuisine).


 * How does that compare to your thinking?


 * Thank you thank you for all you're doing (can't thank you enough!)


 * Lorelei (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * There's also quite a lot of inconsistency over major cultural institutions in Guyana. So, for example, the Walter Roth Museum of Anthropology is rated High Importance, whereas the National Library of Guyana is rated Low Importance.  I think I'd probably have rated both of these at Mid - what do you think? Lorelei (talk) 14:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with your thinking above, and I changed the National Library to mid, but I must say that the article itself is faint praise for the library. Don't think that the assessment page I added was a lot of work, I took it from Philadelphia with changes to Guyana and Guyana places in a text editor before pasting it in the Guyana project.


 * For the project itself, I would note that the lists for people with the Guyana project or Guyana resident user tags are not the same as the few members signed up on the Guyana project page, and I suspect that we would find more editors contributing to articles than any editors on any of those three lists. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the assessment table again. The total number of articles is up to 1058, the number of "Unassessed" is down to 93, the total number of unknown quality "???" is down to 430. Beyond that, I will work on learning who is still available to work on the project, remove inactive members from the project page, and encourage active members to sign up there. You can help me out by changing your entry to Lorelei, and by contacting user:Kitfox32, perhaps by email, who hasn't made any contribution to Wikipedia since August 2. Note "Email this user" in the toolbox to write to an editor. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Dthomsen8 - you rock!! This is a huge amount of work you've done! I can't believe you've got the unassessed number down that low and the number of articles up that high! Amazing - thank you so much.


 * I'll go and change my name on WPG now. Re. Kitfox32 - Yes, they're a friend of mine actually, who I encouraged to get onto wikipedia.  I know they're really busy at the moment, but they're definitely still active.  Next time I chat to them (which will be soon) I'll mention these projects.  I've also heard back from one more friend in GY who is up for taking picture for the project.


 * This is just an idea, but I wondered what you might think about the idea of setting up a kind of 'Things to Do/Jobs' page, a little similar to the WikiProject Novels JobCentre perhaps (but maybe not quite so ambitious)? I remember thinking that the Novels JobCentre was a great idea when I saw the page, as it gives new members suggestions for things to do straight away.  Please don't think I'm asking you to do this by the way - you're already doing loads, and I could always have a go at doing this, or, once we've got a few more members we could maybe suggest it to some of them - but I wondered if you thought it would be a good thing to do?


 * When I've finished the National Library article, I'm going to write to them - mainly to ask if they have any pictures of the library we could use, but I'll also mention to WikiProject and suggest that perhaps people at the library might be interested in taking part in some way... A bit hopeful maybe, but you never know!


 * Thanks so much again for all your amazing work :) Lorelei (talk) 15:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S. I just thought - I've got a to-do list on my userpage and a table in that for Guyana, South America and Caribbean-related articles to have a go at (though it's actually pretty much entirely Guyana at the moment!). If, in your 'travels', you come across - or have come across - any articles that you think are in particularly urgent need of attention (I'm best on history/culture, not so good on geography/natural history...) please feel free to add them to my list! Lorelei (talk) 15:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You are doing an amazing job on the National Library of Guyana, which went from a one line stub to at least a Class=C article, which is what I rated it on the talk page. If you have some editors in Georgetown, get the library involved by asking for a meeting room to have a Wikipedia editor event. Do they have wi-fi? Obviously they have plenty of books and other material available to help improve Guyana articles. Do they have good paper maps? Historical paper maps? Room for improving or creating bridges and roads articles using maps. Have someone ask for a meeting room in person, see the reaction, and see if they want to join the effort. In other words, start with asking for a meeting room and help on updating, and see their reaction.


 * I created List of bridges in Guyana with only three entries, but I am not going to create List of roads in Guyana when there is only one entry. We will need a list of things to do on the projects page, but right now I would hold off on that and work on recruiting instead. I see you are doing some recruiting. Working together, we are going to transform the Guyana coverage. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Your last comment made me beam in a big broad smile :) Perhaps we could write the email to the National Library together, as you have a better sense of suggestions that it would be good to make? I will email you a draft later this evening, or perhaps tomorrow morning if I run out of time.


 * Libraries: Well, from my memory of research there, the National Library in GT is particularly good on copies of journals that I struggled to find in other places (Timehri and Kyk-over-al, for example), and I think they have a decent collection of historical documents too, though I didn't really look into that there. The best library in my opinion for maps, historical documents and so on is the Caribbean Research Library (it's on my list of articles to create!!!) at the University of Guyana.  They have an exceptional collection when it comes to specialist resources on Guyana - and really covering everything: books, maps, transcripts of lectures, government documents etc.  The librarians there are lovely as well.  There is also the National Archives of Guyana (another article to create!) which has stashes of all the old papers, dating right back through colonial times.  Unfortunately, they've had some problems.  When I was there researching I found a fair number of holdings had pages torn out all over the place.  I have a vague plan to see if I can make copies of some of the missing pages etc (they're all around key events e.g. Independence) from the British Library before I go out in July as I assume they'll have copies of all the papers from when it was a British colony.  The Walter Roth Museum of Anthropology has a great collection of sources pertaining to anthropological research in GY (e.g. they have all of Denis Williams work) and Amerindian histories, cultures and languages, and they also publish/re-publish documents; and the Amerindian Research Unit (University of Guyana) also has a very good collection on these topics.  Then some government institutions also have their own stores - the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Works and Hydraulics and the Lands and Surveys Commission, for example, all have their own stores of documents (though accessing them can take some persistence - or at least it did for me as I got sent between one and the other for AGES whilst trying to track something down!)


 * Re. the National Library - yes, it does have internet (in fact I have to add this to the article later!), though limited numbers of computers and in much demand. The internet connection - as in GT generally - is also a little shaky (and very often slow) at the best of times... They are very good on running public events - reading groups and the like - though, so I imagine they may well be up for something along the lines of what you are suggesting...


 * Oh, and re. roads: the Linden-Lethem road should definitely have a page, and I imagine there are the sources for this. I'll add this to the list too.  In fact, I really should update that list before it all starts spilling out of my head!


 * Thank you for all the inspiration and encouragement! Lorelei (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The Soesdyke-Linden Highway is the only road with an article. I added "The East Bank Public Road connects Soesdyke with Georgetown." Soesdyke has no article, either. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Was literally stepping in even as you were posting
How funny, I was composing an edit to you in my head, when I saw my message bar and frankly, was annoyed, because I wanted to talk to you, but I like to be responsive to messages. Luckily it was you, so it works out.

I considered posting a welcome message to Kingchri, but hoped you would, and you did. Based upon sad experience, please count on 90% of your welcome messages falling on deaf ears, or worse. Despite that, continue doing so, because some time, someone will thank-you for being welcoming, and it will make up for the ignored messages (I hope).

My probability estimate that Kingchri is doing something in Good Faith is plummeting, but I hope my past message still came across OK. It Kingchri doesn't explain, and continues, warnings are in order, then blocks. Maybe we will get lucky and hear an explanation.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And while I was composing this, Kingchri was posting a semi-legitimate answer.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * He he and I just edit-conflicted trying to write to say thanks while you were writing that! I'm not used to everything being so speedy! I think my computer must have a bit of a lag, so sorry for unnecessary messages when you'd already noticed. THank you for being so quick in your response and taking it in hand.  Like I say, I'll watch and learn and then hopefully know what to do if there's a next time :) Lorelei (talk) 00:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * I'm fine with this. I uploaded the image in good faith from Totally Free Images which WP:Public_domain_image_resources lists as 100% free and public domain.  It had obviously been uploaded in error or bad faith to that site.  Lorelei (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have contested the deletion. Let's see what happens. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * DThomsen8, it really made me smile that you noticed this and looked into it - thank you! I'm totally out of my depth with anything like this (editing articles I feel like I'm getting the hang, but disputey stuff: no idea). Basically, I really appreciate you casting your eye over it.  Thank you :) Lorelei (talk) 02:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What this may be is just a bot putting a tag on the file, but now a human will have to decide what to do. Do you want this file for some particular purpose? --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I've no real investment in this file. I put a lot of work into the Human Terrain System article a while back, just because I knew a decent amount about it, was up for learning more, and the article had a neutrality tag on it, a big plea from an IP for improvement and neutralization on the talk page, and, frankly, was in quite a state.  In the process, I expanded the article a fair bit, and tried to make it more readable, especially for non-specialists (there was a lot of army terminology, for example; and then a lot of argumentative so-and-so said this, so-and-so said this sort of stuff).  I looked for pictures because I thought it would enhance the readability of the article - especially with it being so big - and found two that said they were US Gov pics on Totally Free Images, so I added them... That's it though - beyond the fact I think it would be quite helpful to readers to have some images in the article, I've no real investment in these particular images... Thank you again for looking into it :) Lorelei (talk) 02:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * One reason to contest this is to learn how to do it. The other reason is that it looks good in the article. Let's see what happens. Meanwhile, I am still working on Guyana articles. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you again! I've definitely learnt that it's worth contesting (if there's a decent-enough case) just to get discussion going. Yes, I'm back to GY articles today - more Aubrey Williams and then I'll see if I can do something about that National Library of Guyana article... Lorelei (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, deletion is declined. You should consider moving this image to Wikimedia Commons, and of course you should use it in your article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 11:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Mail notice
or --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

✅


 * I put these in here to show you the templates for your future use. The usual response is to remove the whole section. You also have some earlier notices that can be removed.  --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Guyana
'''You are listed as a member at WikiProject Guyana. If you would like to continue, we would be delighted to have your contributions, but if you would like to withdraw, we can understand that, too. Please let me know your wishes.''' --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

This is the message I have posted on the talk page for the users listed as participants, and user in a category indicating an interest in Guyana. This is only four editors. The other way we may find editors to contribute is to look for contributors to Guyana articles. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh brilliant :) I will see if I can help out with the hunt!


 * Also, I keep bumping into this: The West Indian Encyclopedia. It seems to have more info than Wikipedia in many of its Guyana articles... Lorelei (talk) 02:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I rather doubt that any of the four editors will respond favorably, but I will will wait until September to remove anyone who doesn't reply. I added the Encyclopedia to the sources list. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed... I'll get started on the hunt for potential members this evening :) Lorelei (talk) 13:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi -- just got your message about this. I would love to help but am absolutely swamped in real life right now. It might ease up in September but I don't know yet. This is my list of links and sources; I'd be glad to look anything up that would be helpful, but I can't promise a quick turnaround at the moment. I will try to look in again when (if) things calm down in real life. Thanks for nudging me! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike, Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! Great to hear you'd be interested in getting involved if/when you find a good time. And thanks so much too for your offer of looking things up.  Would it be okay for us to put this info on the project page, with a note saying not to expect a quick turnaround as you're very busy? Here's hoping things get a lot less hectic for you soon (and not just so that we can steal a bit of your time :)) Lorelei (talk) 23:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be fine to list those sources and say I can look things up. I hope I can work with you soon.  Do you have a list of sources you plan to use?  I had a good deal of trouble finding sources for Guyana; it's in Caribbean histories, rather than South American ones, and I couldn't find much that focused on it.  By the way, no need to use talkback templates; I'll watch your talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 00:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Brilliant - thank you, that's such a great help :) Yes, you're so right, finding historical sources (especially modern ones) on Guyana is really tough.  I've actually got a fair collection of my own, so will put together a list like yours in the next few days and put that on the project page too (hadn't thought of doing that before - thank you for the idea :)).  Hope very much you'll be able to join us soon, and thank you for this help and encouragement. Lorelei (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will work on the project page on Thursday, integrating what you have created with the framework I borrowed from the Pennsylvania project. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Dthomsen8, that would be great! Lorelei (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Take a look. (I am not sure about the subsections.) --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks great to me :) Thank you for doing it. I plan to add a list of books I have sometime this evening... Lorelei (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I may change the subsection names to ** instead.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what ** means (sorry!) but am sure it would be an improvement. I thought when I put it together in this way that it could probably be formatted better and in a way that was less confusing for the reader...

p.s. I did an outdent! yay!


 * Doh - sorry for being a dunce. Figured it out now :) Lorelei (talk) 17:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, but you showed me the ✅ template. Category:Unknown-importance Guyana articles is now at 94, and going down. Only people are left, and they are harder, if done right. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * :) Wow. Do you have a record somewhere of the stats as they were before you started - just so we can compare (and be very impressed) at the end? Out of interest, why are articles on people harder to review? Lorelei (talk) 00:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The project page has a status section. New section below on reviewing biographies. Would you like to help? I am particularly concerned about rating politicians properly, which you could do much better than I can. Yes, presidents and prime ministers are important, and governor generals, too. Beyond that, I am not so sure, and even for those, some must be really important. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Woops - I missed this the first time. Yes - I would love to have a go actually, a great chance to learn how it's done well.  Thank you :) Where should I start? Lorelei (talk) 01:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Start with Arthur Chung and do all the presidents, following the "succeeded by" links. Notice how the "Guyana-importance=" is missing, and how articles with infoboxes have a parameter calling for an infobox. Update the PERSONDATA, too. After doing those, do the Prime Ministers. You may find I have done some of these politicians. Perhaps the importance should be different. I will take a look after you do those two sets of politicians. --DThomsen8 (talk) 03:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Great, thank you Dthomsen8! I will make a start today :) Lorelei (talk) 11:22, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Reviewing biography articles
When reviewing biography articles and adding new templates to the talk page, most of the time the article must be read to see if there are enough inline citations to set the class=start or class=C, or even higher. Sometimes the talk page has ratings which are guidance. Reading the article may show the person was born in one place, but lived and did many things in other countries, and in several different fields. Then the place templates and field of activity templates must be added, and sometimes the proper template must be sought out. Many times the importance=low is reasonable, but sometimes the person held high political offices, meaning a higher importance. The article PERSONDATA template should be updated with description, places of birth or death, etc., and sometimes the PERSONDATA must be added. The user preferences must be set to display PERSONDATA.

If the person went to college or taught at a university, and the name does not have a link, it should be added. Other links may be missing. Sometimes some copyediting is justified, but I try to limit myself on that score. Of course, the article can be tagged with Twinkle for being an orphan, or needing references or copyediting, without doing the work immediately. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining this - it's really helpful to know. At the moment, in terms of things to remember when i'm writing/editing articles on people, but, you never know, I may graduate to reviewing one day and I'll be able to refer back to this then :)


 * I imagine this might be the first of many! Should persondata be wikilinked? Arthur Chung's persondata currently is, but I notice that in a couple of my articles that you have reviewed (Richard Hart, Stephen Campbell) you don't seem to do this. For the moment, following your examples, I'm not wikilinking but just thought I should double check (also: if it shouldn't be wikilinked should I remove the links in any articles where I find them?)... Lorelei (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In general, the PERSONDATA should not be wikilinked, especially when place of birth or death is already in an infobox and maybe the text, too. The general rule is one link is sufficient, but I don't make much of an effort to remove extra links, except when running Advanced Wiki Browser, and even then not always. I mention AWB because you may well see history with AWB on Guyana articles. The main thing with PERSONDATA is to add a description of the person. Do more for the important office holders you are doing, but not for football players--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Should I be assessing the importance for other WikiProjects as well, or just for WikiProject Guyana? Lorelei (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, assess the importance for other WikiProjects, and add templates as appropriate. Is this politician a vet doctor, or an artist, or a cricket player? Add those.  Did he die in England or India? Put those in, too.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for this help: four down - lots to go! Also, I have a more general question: although Guyana is geographically South American it is usually thought of as a Caribbean country, or at least as being culturally and economically Caribbean (the Guyana page explains this pretty well: its a complex one!).  So should I be adding WikiProject Caribbean to these pages? Lorelei (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * In fact, on this point, WP:WikiProject Caribbean lists WikiProject Guyana as within its scope as well...Lorelei (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have only added a Caribbean template when the person involved moved to or from a Caribbean country or territory. In those cases I put something like Barbados=yes|Barbados-importance=low in the template. or variations will be sufficient for now. It would be possible to add a Caribbean template to all the Guyana talk pages using AWB in the future. There are 88 articles left to assess, some of which will be easy for me to do. You are doing very good work on the high profile politicians, something I hesitated to do.   --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you :) Glad to hear I'm doing okay so far. I can see why you said it takes longer now: there is a lot to think about isn't there?!


 * Re. WikiProject Caribbean (and the longer-term plans): I noticed that they don't, at the moment, have a Guyana task-force or a 'supported by WikiProject Guyana' parameter (as far as I can see). I wondered if it might be possible, at some point in the future, to create one of these.  I thought it might be good for encouraging members, but also I think it might make quite a lot of sense for Guyana articles as with high-profile politicians, for example, like Cheddi Jagan and Forbes Burnham, they do have a notability that extends beyond Guyana but generally this applies much more to the Caribbean than it does to South America... Lorelei (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are 9 articles still to be assessed. I think there are high-profile politicians to be shown with a Caribbean template, but also some Guyanese musicians and singers, Caribbean templates, but also music genre templates, if it can be determined. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I've finished the Presidents and PMs. Would be great if you could check them over for me whenever you have time. Are there any others you would like me to do? Lorelei (talk) 03:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Easy to answer that. Do the 9 Category:Unknown-importance Guyana articles remaining. I will look at the politicians. I did two coordinates, but many of them are really hard.  --DThomsen8 (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) Have started but will probably go to bed soon and finish tomorrow :) Re. coordinates - I may be able to help out with places as I have a good and recent map, though it won't be specific enough for buildings etc. Lorelei (talk) 03:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ This was a great selection - took me right out of my comfort zone (football?!) One main question: I found the boundary between stub/start class a little hard to assess sometimes. Sam Hinds was a good example of one I felt was a little borderline but ultimately decided start-class.  I tried to use the wiki assessment table and then project assessment tables as a guide.  Is there anything in particular that you look for to help determine one way or the other? Lorelei (talk) 12:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Assessment guidance
The official guidance on assessments that I posted on the Guyana project are some help, but I am influenced by the number of inline citations on articles like Sam Hinds. One or none, Stub. Two, borderline, Start if they are good quality citations. Three, Start. Ten or more, lots of good backup to a good article, C or even B. Remember that someone else may come along and change things, especially with the passage of time and improvements in the article not reflected in the assessments.

For Hinds, I removed the dead link, and changed the article to Stub. Categories on talk pages are almost always set by templates, rarely if ever by being set as a category by Hotcat.

Lorelei, the boxing, cricket, football and rugby players are easy. Unless they have three inline citations, they are all Stub, Low, when I do them. The bio should have "|sports-work-group=yes" and that is sometimes missing on older Guyana articles. Now that we have reached the end of the assessments, you will need to keep an eye on the category and fix any new articles. What do we do next? I am working on the 9 Category:Guyanese musicians to set the music genre if I can figure it out. Adrian Dutchin did not have a Guyana talk page template, and he is a Classical conductor! Do you know about Reggae or Latin music? I may pass on to you musicians I don't know what to do about. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for this amazingly helpful advice - that has completely cleared up these questions for me. And really helpful on sportspeople too as I'd never really ventured into that area of wiki before - thank you. I will add the 'Unknown Importance' category to my watchlist right away :) Yes - I'm good on Reggae, not great on Latin but probably know enough to be able to make a decent judgment.  Please do pass any over that you would like me to deal with... Lorelei (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have asked for updating of projects by email. 1058 articles should go way up, and ??? and Unassessed should go to zero. Help me out with Aubrey Cummings and Olga Lopes-Seale talk pages. Do you know of any Guyanese musicians not on the lists? Sometimes they have articles, but are not properly cataloged. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Great, will look at these now. Umm, off the top of my head - Philip Pilgrim and Bill Bilgrim (both composers), but I can't see them on here yet at all (more ideas for articles...).  Will have a think about this and see if I can dig up any more... Lorelei (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I've searched for all the artists I know of and none of them have articles yet. In fact, it looks from the Music of Guyana page like Guyanese music could do with quite a lot of work!! Lorelei (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Aubrey Cummings and Olga Lopes Seale, that is :)

DYK for John P. Bennett
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you :) Lorelei (talk) 16:08, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Inline citation techniques
I placed a linkrot tag on the Bharrat Jagdeo article. Read the Reflinks documentation and then use the Reflinks tool to fix the linkrot problems. Beyond that technique, you should also learn about a citing tool, at Using WebCite.--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for these tips. I've had a quick read of the information about reflinks and WebCite - so useful to know about both of them.  I will have a proper read tomorrow morning and then get stuck into these projects - thank you :)Lorelei (talk) 05:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ These are such great tools! I ran reflinks on the page, and then also created an archive for ref. no 11 (Wilkinson article in the Guardian) which all worked brilliantly. Another question though - how do you normally decide when it would be a good idea to archive an article? Lorelei (talk) 11:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Mostly I do the archive when doing a new article. I archive the page, followed by using the makeref toolserver at . This is mainly for web sites, where I can do a nice quote when needed. Let me look around for an example. --DThomsen8 (talk) 11:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Example of makeref: Elmer Kilroy, Speaker of the Pennsylvania House.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Brilliant - thank you!! I will use this when creating articles in future - and actually will probably try to go back through the articles I have created so far and do this for all the Guyanese newspapers especially. With Makeref - I am not understanding this one quite so well.  So, you would use this every time you archive an article, and the advantage of this tool is that it allows you to store/include the quote from the article that provides the relevant information - is that right? (Sorry to ask - I searched but couldn't find a documentation page like the Using WebCite one...).  Thank you so much for all these tips :) Lorelei (talk) 12:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Documentation is at [ for your edification. I have more tips, but I don't want to overload you, but I must say you are quick to pick up on all these techniques. Look at [[Herman J. Schwarzmann]] for several webcite examples. Have you tried Librarything.com? --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Guyana
Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Brazil includes Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Brazil. People are included in this category by on the talk page. The Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Guyana can be created by the same technique. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * One step (or several) ahead of me :) I was going to ask you about this as I was thinking that once things were a bit further underway I would write to some people at Stabroek News to ask about pictures of Guyanese people, and I was wondering if there might be any way to have a list just of the people photo requests ... This is brilliant - thank you! I will get started on this tomorrow too. Lorelei (talk) 05:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ - I have started this category and will keep chipping away at expanding it now. Thank you again for this :) Lorelei (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I say that. What I have done is added put  on a few pages (including Hamilton Green and Desmond Hoyte).  But I think this just 'requests' the category - is that right? Do I need to do anything further, or does someone else then approve this category? (I did this also for Start-Class Guyana articles of Top-importance - e.g. Cheddi Jagan and Forbes Burnham).
 * It is hard to stop such enthusiasm, but I would like you to concentrate on other problems where your knowledge of Guyana is important. I am going to get AWB technical help with this people photo issue. Go ahead and add a tag for a person who doesn't have one, but don't change people with the  template.  --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Good call. There is so much to do - it is helpful for me to be kept focused on where I can be most useful :) Lorelei (talk) 13:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It turns out that there are less than ten people in the Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Guyana, so it would be easy enough to change that few by hand. There are a great many cricket players with , but not with Guyana templates talk page templates, and not marked for People of Guyana.  Perhaps we can put off all those cricket players for later, but they are a possible target for AWB techniques.  I saw your question about the category. I created the category, and put it in the overall category. There are a good many category issues related to the quality and importance table that I should attend to, but they either have not been created yet, or left empty by our efforts. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:50, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Stan Brock (philanthropist)
Consider Stan Brock (philanthropist) and Remote Area Medical for improvement. I stumbled on Brock from a list of books. Apparently RAM is active in Guyana, but the article on it only says about US efforts. I have used my Library Thing.com account to enter his book  where the book citation is generated from the book details. I am inviting you to join Library Thing. I became active on Wikipedia from following author links, and later creating Wikipedia author articles. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

✅ (thank you) and will look into these articles - sound interesting :) Lorelei (talk) 15:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Insert non-formatted text here
I hope you have learned that the red circle with a W in it generates the nowiki pair. There are also some other useful tools in the Heading line.
 * Bulleted list item
 * 1) Numbered list item
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and more. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * No, doh! I have completely missed this up until now and, in this instance, just copied what you had done manually... thank you :) Lorelei (talk) 15:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ps. when/if you've time, see question above about Makeref (i'm not sure I understood this one quite as well)

Guyana census
Please leave an explanation of how to look up population numbers for particular places in Guyana on my web page, not as a reply here. Also, consider whether articles on the Guyana census 2002 or 2012 are needed. There may be controversy about the 2012 census. BTW, I was an enumerator for the US 2010 Census. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Inline citations of Guyana Census numbers for towns and villages
Members of the WikiProject Guyana would like to provide archived inline citations for the population of particular places in Guyana, archived with WebCite.


 * URL for the Guyana Bureau of Statistics 2002 Population and Housing Census: http://www.statisticsguyana.gov.gy/census.html#popcenfinal


 * Town Level Data by Population
 * Village Level Data by Population
 * Chapter 3 of the 2002 Population & Housing Census - Guyana National Report (ideally the whole report)

There is data in compressed format, and there are population figures in PDF format, but none of the information as published by the Guyana government is easily cited in WikiProject Guyana articles for particular places. There is also the concern of linkrot, so archiving is also a goal.

I know that this is not an easy thing to achieve technically, but I am hoping that there are expert editors here who can do it. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Arif Ali
Consider an article on Arif Ali, author of the Guyana book. Here is a source: http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/guyana-review/09/03/publishing/

That is a start, but hardly enough. Perhaps more might be found in London newspapers. Be careful, there is a Pakistani Arif Ali. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Georgetown Seawall Bandstand
Take a look at Georgetown Seawall and Georgetown Seawall Bandstand. I created the bandstand article after finding coordinates for the seawall and noting the location of the bandstand. I am a little nervous about the new bandstand article, created without references. Perhaps you can find references. The seawall article has a missing date for its completion. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Great that you created the bandstand article :) I took a quick look at the Seawall article - back in its history somewhere someone had blanked a whole section out of it, including the information about the completion date. I've restored this information now.  I'm sure i will be able to find references for this - and some more information too.  I'll look into it this evening.  Also, have emailed you :) Lorelei (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Found one for the bandstand - will search for more later :) Lorelei (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you Dthomsen8 :) I've been very lucky to have a lot of expert guidance ;) Lorelei (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Guyana Coordinates on Google Maps.
I am finding that scrolling around on Guyana maps in a fairly local mode allows me to find schools and places which are not found by typing them into the Google maps search box. Some of them, of course, are places not in the Category:Guyana articles missing geocoordinate data (down to 60 now), like Cove and John. I stumbled on that while looking around for President's College, which I found, but rather further from the coast than my first search. I arbitrarily added coordinates for Sinking of HMS Peacock off the mouth of the Demerara River. (Application of WP:BB!) I still have several buildings in Georgetown to do, and then I am likely to stop. Anything in particular that you would like me to look for? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow - that's great you've got them down to 60! And brilliant about HMS Peacock - I didn't even know about that. I was going to ask you if you might be able to do the Walter Roth Museum as I plan to give that a bit of an edit at some point - but I see you've already done it!! Other than that, I can't think of anything for now.  Thank you so much for doing all this by the way - I wouldn't have even known where to start with it and it sounds like it has taken a lot of hard work... Lorelei (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I knew about the HMS Peacock vs. USS Hornet by reading many books about the War of 1812, including a very fine one by President Theodore Roosevelt. A picture of USS Constitution vs. HMS Java fighting off the coast of Brazil (Java sunk!) hangs in my dining room. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Some parts are easy, some hard. First step was to copy target titles with a street or location if available to a MS Word document, which I then keep open to transfer a lat/long decimal number tag. Then I go to Google Maps. Sometimes the search box works, sometimes not. If the search box works, then I tag the map (one of my places, while logged into Google) with lat/long, and copy the numbers to the MS Word document. After I have a suitable set of coordinates (5 or 6), I proceed to make the number pairs into the coord templates. Then I can copy the completed templates into the appropriate articles, and check the map again for the results. Sometimes a little tweaking is in order.  I also add street names to articles when there is not one already. If the search does not produce results, then the local map moved along the coast, or along a river, or where I may guess I might find something interesting.  I should print out the place template, to alert myself to names that may need coordinates but are not tagged for that problem. Cove and John was an unusual name that I remembered. I ramble on here, but I want others to be ready to carry on this kind of thing.  Places like Suriname may need it. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It's hugely helpful you explain all this so I - or someone else - could refer to it later :) I wondered if you by any chance know how to find out the altitude for a place? The reason I ask it that the Aishalton article currently says it is situated at an altitude of 300 metres, but I can't find this corroborated in any reliable source, and Google Earth seems to give a different figure - 187m i think (but i'm not very adept at using Google Earth). Lorelei (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, no, I don't know how to get altitudes for places in Guyana. Perhaps someone else could help us. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Altitudes in Guyana
I said I didn't know, but there are terrain maps for any place you have coordinates. Consider: [].

Do you see those circles marked 200m? They are hills going above 200 meters. The letter A points to the town, which is downhill (cannot say how much) from the 200 meter hills. Does that help? --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you - yes it definitely does. It certainly backs up my feeling that the 300m statistic has perhaps come from an unreliable source and is probably best off removed for now :) Thank you for looking into it for me! Lorelei (talk) 00:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, 300 meters is not possible, but 187 meters is plausible. Hey, if we can't find a better number, who is going to question us? --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * He he!! That made me chuckle :) Lorelei (talk) 00:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Found another Newspaper article about Bush Lot (here) that explains the differences between all the different Bush Lots (hooray!) Lorelei (talk) 20:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Bush Lot
Please take a look at Bush Lot, and zoom in on the Google map for the location I added for Bush Lot, Corentyne. Are there two places named Bush Lot, or only one? The map is labeled Bush Lot, Corentyne, but the article is written as if there are two. I am guessing one, but I only have the map to go by. What do you think? Is there someone to consult?--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hiya! Going by the census, there are a number of Bush Lots.


 * 2 in Region 6 (East Berbice-Corentyne), one with a population of 869 people (also called Village 27) and one with a population of 276 people (also called Village 28). Whether these are sometimes collectively called 'Bush Lot' or 'Bushlot' I don't know.
 * 2 in Region 5 (Mahaica-Berbice), one with a population of 1243 (also known as No. 3) and the other with a population of 2858.
 * 1 in Region 2 (Pomeroon-Supenaam) with a population of 854.


 * I also have two 'paper' maps, one an Internation Travel Map and the other in a Bradt Travel Guide. These both only show one of these Bush Lots - one of the ones in Region 6/East Berbice Corentyne.  On both of these maps, this Bush Lot (spelt this way) is close to Port Mourant.


 * However, the one shown on the map you referred my to seems to be in Region 4 (Demerara-Mahaica). All the other places around it - Buxton, Enmore, St. Cuthbert's - are in Region 4, and I think it even says Demerara-Mahaica on the map.  However, there is not a listing for a Bush Lot in Region 4 in the Census, but it may just be that this is one of the many 'areas' in Region 4 that are not actually villages as such (there are loads in Georgetown, for example...)


 * Using Google Earth, I found the Region 6/East Berbice-Corentyne Bush Lot Health Centre at 6.12'01.38N, 57.15'50.71W. As on my maps, this Region 6 Bush Lot is very near to Port Mourant, and fits the bill for the one described second in the article.   Google Earth place-marks this Bush Lot at 6.11'58.54N and 57-15.48.64W, though it's a biggish place by the looks of things so I guess either of these coordinates would work as a 'centre'.  This one also has a race-course, a Vishnu Mandir, and an Elementary School.


 * The first one described in the article will be one of the Bush Lots in Region 5/Mahaica-Berbice. The third one described in the article (the one that says it is on the Essequibo Coast) will be the one in Region 2/Pomeroon-Supenaam. I imagine it's probably worth having an article for at least the ones in Region 6 and in Region 5, perhaps?


 * Hope that's helpful Lorelei (talk) 16:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is all very confusing but this article in Stabroek News must be the source of the wikipedia article. Checked against the census, this article is clearly describing the largest village in Region 5 (which is, acc. to the census, between Armadale and Golden Grove as the article says).  However, I cannot explain the discrepancy between Stabroek News's report that the village has a population of about 10,000 and the Census which says more like 3,000 (unless it has grown an awful lot in the last 10 years!).  West Coast Berbice = Mahaica-Berbice Region... Lorelei (talk) 17:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is confusing, but I hope I have fixed the Bush Lot article to at least show the two larger places with the same names. I found a mistake elsewhere, so there are now 52 articles missing coordinates. Most of the remaining ones I view as difficult. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again! I think actually you have both of the ones in Region6/East Berbice Corentyne, as both of the locations you have marked are East of Port Mourant. Both of the Bush Lot in Region 5 should be somewhere on the West side of Port Mourant, and on the West side of the Berbice River as well... Lorelei (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh I didn't say - 52!!!! Brilliant :) Lorelei (talk) 18:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Found an article that explains the differences between the various Bush Lots here (hooray!) and I think I've located the Mahaica-Berbice Bush Lot (the one the Stabroek News article is about) at 6.21'00.00N by 57.40.00.00W (the Place-mark in Google Earth is Bush Lot Water Path, Mahaica-Berbice, Guyana). It's right next to Fort Wellington (which is right according to the two articles about it), and in Mahaica-Berbice... so it looks right to me... What do you think? Hope you're well and not too tired from all that coordinate-placing! Lorelei (talk) 20:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I just updated the Bush Lot article to fix the location of the one you point out above. I did two schools yesterday, but there was a new one added, so now we are at 51 with missing coordinates. I am going to stop my efforts on coordinates in Guyana now. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Education in Guyana
The Template:Education in Guyana has three schools without articles:


 * Hindu College (Cove and John, Guyana)
 * Marian Academy
 * Georgetown International Academy

Details:


 * Hindu College (Cove and John, Guyana) 6.753694,-57.970072 ??  Cove and John Hindu College
 * http://wikimapia.org/23509853/HINDU-COLLEGE-GUYANA confirms my guess above
 * http://dawhois.com/www/hinducollegegy.org.html provides the home page of the official web site in 2011, no longer online. I can create an infobox for this school, given this information. (Wow - great find :) Lorelei (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC))


 * http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2010/08/24/cove-john-hindu-college-enjoys-csec-success/
 * http://www.stabroeknews.com/2010/archives/02/08/cove-and-john-hindu-college-gets-us300000-resource-centre/


 * Marian Academy
 * http://www.marianacademy.edu.gy/ official web site
 * http://www.isvillage.com/schools/south-america/guyana/demerara%11mahaica/marian-academy/details/


 * Georgetown International School
 * http://www.state.gov/m/a/os/58563.htm Georgetown International Academy
 * http://www.georgetowninternationalacademy.org/ official web site.

I am suggesting these three as articles you could create and complete the list in the template. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! Thank you Dthomsen8 - will have a go at these tonight :) Lorelei (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I am working on making the List of schools in Guyana, the Category:Schools in Guyana and the template:Education in Guyana all correspond to each other. There will be more red links. Look at the talk:Marian Academy for what should be in the talk page of Guyana schools. Yes, more new articles will be needed. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

More Guyana secondary schools
Here are five more Guyana secondary schools without articles. I will add details as I find them.


 * Central High School, Guyana
 * Smyth Street, Georgetown
 * Covent Garden Secondary School
 * 6.734444,-58.192457 Covent Garden Secondary, East Bank Public Road, Essequibo Islands-West Demerara, Guyana
 * North Ruimveldt Secondary School
 * 6.789494,-58.144348 North Ruimveldt Secondary School, near Mandela Ave, Georgetown, Guyana
 * St. John's College School, Guyana
 * St. Joseph's High School, Guyana
 * 6.81714,-58.147353 Woolford Avenue, Georgetown, Guyana

Perhaps you and I should go on to other work on Guyana. I am contemplating a major AWB bot project to correct various talk page template problems. Are any of the above schools particularly important? If so, go on and do it. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Brilliant that you got the template/category/list all sorted :) I will look into these and see if any of them have enough sources for an article (I think North Ruimveldt may well do, not sure about the others). I did a preliminary search for Georgetown International School but didn't turn up very much so this one may be a bit of a struggle... I will have another go tomorrow though.  The major project sounds exciting - what is AWB by the way? I have kept meaning to ask... Yes, I still have Aubrey Williams and Martin Carter to keep plugging away at as well, and UG of course... Still, nice to know there is still lots to get stuck into in many ways :) I have a source here by the way (the Arif Ali one) that says there are 82 state secondary schools in GY and 440 state primary schools - i don't know if that info is useful to you in any way.  At some point I should try to update the 'Education' section in the Guyana article with this I guess... Also, I think there may be enough sources for an article on Aishalton secondary school - do you think it's worth it? All best, and thank you for all this work you're doing :) Lorelei (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I will do the Georgetown International School. No struggle. I will have it done quite quickly. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is great :) You did a much better job on this than I did on the others - I'll have to try to go back to them at some point and see if I can expand them a little... Lorelei (talk) 04:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Georgetown International Academy was easy, I just reformatted the US Department of State article. The Academy is on Delhi Street, probably by Pine Street, but it is not on Google maps, so I was unable to put a coord on it. Perhaps you can find a way to have a location. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I've got it! Google Earth gives 9-10 Delhi Street, Prashad Nagar, GT at 6.49'05.64N by 58.07'51.99W :) Lorelei (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB
AutoWikiBrowser is a software tool to update Wikipedia, either from a catalog with editor watching to decide on updates, or with a bot which runs to fix a large number of instances of a problem automatically. The bots can be requested and then volunteers run them. I met two experts on AWB at Wikimania 2012 in Washington. You can download AWB and set it up to run on your computer independently of the English Wikipedia web site. Take an look at the article cited above. Do you want to learn everything possible about being a Wikipedia editor, or will you specialize in some ways? I suppose you can work on Guyana articles for many months, but not forever, especially if you recruit others in Guyana to do things like photos and coordinates. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for this :) I will have a proper read of it tomorrow.  Re. your question - i'm really enjoying learning everything I can about wiki really (and am very grateful for all the help you've been giving me with that :)).  And I think I would like to go on learning really.  Yes, there's a lot of work I would like to do to expand the coverage of Guyana, but like you say, I would like to feel I could work on/help out with other things too and not limit myself to one thing only... Lorelei (talk) 04:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB bot request for Guyana
Check out Bot requests/Archive 49. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Guyana
I have changed all the requests in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Guyana that have names of people to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of Guyana, meaning that there are 151 requests in the first category, and only 12 request for photos of people. I suspect that there are more Guyanese people bios which should have a request, but don't. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh brilliant :) I will double-check the template formula you use for this and then add requests as and when I notice articles that should have one :) Lorelei (talk) 11:52, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Simon (artist and archaeologist)
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:01, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you :) Lorelei (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Optivion
I tagged Optivion with a number of problems when doing a review, and perhaps there should be more. Please give me your opinion on this musician and artist. (Colombia, not Guyana, is the SA connection.) --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:07, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I've never personally heard of them (not that that says much!) but, yes, this definitely seems to me to be a pretty problematic article. As well as the problems you've tagged it for, I think it also has notability and reliable sources issues too.  I checked all the references and none of them meet my definition of a reliable source.  Here's the rundown (in order):


 * 1) Soceity6 = a press release
 * 2) 'tunecore' = a press release
 * 3) epic werkes is a blog (and Optivion get a tiny mention on it in the midst of a band/event listing)
 * 4) youtube = what seems to be a personally released video that is made by an blogging group specialising in anime
 * 5) nyartbeat = listing of bands at a 'musicians against the war' event (Optivion is one of 50+ that are listed there)
 * 6) art net = same as above
 * 7) tvborderless - I couldn't figure this out as I don't speak Japanese but it seems like an independent television company, and i couldn't find any sources about them that would seem to suggest they are established/recognised in any way...
 * 8) designfesta = press release on a blog
 * 9) amazon = the sales listing for their album on amazon.


 * I also did a search for them in English and Spanish and couldn't turn any independent reliable sources up that mention them - all that came up was the band's own website, myspace, blog etc etc Lorelei (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just what I suspected, not notable, and probably a good candidate for deletion. Being somewhat lazy, I ask Ten Pound Hammer to apply himself to his favorite activity, the AfD, Article for Deletion process. I am in Article Rescue Squadron, where he is famous, or maybe the word is notorious, as you can imagine from his user name. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This made me chuckle :) !! Lorelei (talk) 17:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * An AfD is pending, go look and make a comment. Sure to get deleted after misbehavior on the part of the article creator, but look at both the creator and the AfD comments, and learn what happens.

Twinkle

 * 1) Do you have WP:Twinkle installed?
 * 2) Are your preferences set to show redirect links in green, missing articles in red, and so forth?
 * 3) Are your preferences set to show hidden categories? (Hidden categories are often useful, but either administrative or rather technical. I will mention some examples if you like.


 * Thank you for these prompts :)


 * Twinkle - yes (though I've never actually used it)
 * Colours - I definitely see missing articles in red (though I think that might have been automatic? or at least I don't remember setting it...) but I don't see redirect links in green. Is this in preferences?
 * Hidden categories: have just turned this on and looked at a couple of pages - what is this used for? and what are hcards?!


 * You might also find the dash fixing script at script useful. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Will do this now - I meant to do this a while ago (as I'm often misusing dashes!!) but then couldn't remember how to clear my browser's cache so left it and forgot to go back to it... Thank you for thinking of this - I know I should definitely start using this and also will find it really helpful :) Lorelei (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thank you again for the tip :)


 * Twinkle - You can tag articles for problems. You can go to a red link user talk page (a newbie!) and give them a welcome, or a warning.
 * Colors- Yes, read Help:Preferences and follow the link in Detailed help. Red is a default color, but others are turned on somewhere.
 * Hidden categories - I will give some examples after I look around for them. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at Cove and John and observe the many hidden categories. They mostly reflect problems with the article, and by clicking on any of the categories, you can see articles with like problems. WikiProject Microformats/hcard describles hcards. See also Microformats and Microformats. All technical stuff, with an objective to share details among various web sites in a standard way. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

The Guianas
Look at The Guianas, something I stumbled upon from Guyanas. I added templates, but I did not add categories, which could include several countries. Look over this history, though. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Dthomsen8! Great find! Yes, this is a good article and historically accurate - the dates are all right etc. And yes, 'The Guianas' is commonly used as a regional grouping up until 1931, and even sometimes after (Wilson Harris, for example, talks about 'The Guianas' in 1970).  And 'Guayana' too - Neil L. Whitehead often uses this as a regional description in his work (as in this book).  So all in order :) It could do with a few more references - I'll try to add some in the next few days.


 * Hope you're well :) Lorelei (talk) 17:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * More inline citations is a very good idea. This article did not have appropriate templates. I added some. Please take a look. Perhaps Brazil and Venezuela should be there, too. I am going to add French Guiana, Guyana and Suriname to the article categories. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

thanks for invitation
Hi Lorelei! thanks for invite - don't think I would be much use! - I'm a member of the Locke clan now and know a bit about some current guyanese artists, but that is as far as my knowledge goes, and I have already added all that info to wikipedia. Only ever spent a few days in the country, and think I will be restricting myself to updating the Hew and Donald Locke entries.

Maybe you could contact whoever it was who wrote the Donald Locke entry? it was very good, and looked like someone who knows a lot more than me about Guyanese artists.

Your plan to sort out the messy guyanese pages and categories is very necessary! so good luck with the project,

vicarage bobbyVicarage bobby (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Soesdyke, Guyana
Look at User talk:Dthomsen8/Draft articles/Soesdyke, Guyana and see if it is ready for mainspace. Feel free to make improvements. I am not in a hurry. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ This looks great to me and definitely good to go :) I have added a couple of bits of imformation and references from the census :) I also found a couple of references for the Soesdyke-Linden highway though I haven't mined the Guyana Chronicle article for information yet ... Lorelei (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Moved to mainspace ahead of your last update, so I copied and pasted the religion sentence. Down to 40 missing coords, but also adding coords to articles that did not have the coord missing tag. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

You've got email
--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Have mailed - thank you :)


 * Is the book scan legible for you? Page 10 in the book, which you can cite without actually having the book! Actually I will provide the cite, and you can provide whatever quote you want to insert. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Iwokrama Forest
Check out Graphic Lab/Map workshop. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Guyana section on the South America Project page
Here are articles requested on the South America Project page. The last one exists.


 * George Manly
 * Onderneeming
 * Canon John Dorman
 * Father Bernard Drake
 * 3rd Caribbean Jamboree
 * Guyana National Service
 * Guyana Civil Aviation Authority

Rather peculiar that there are six articles requested, far more than any of the much larger and more populated countries in South America. Are these important? Perhaps the list should be on the Guyana Project page? --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is peculiar! I have added all of these except two (Onderneeming, as this is covered by our comment: "there are still lots of places with missing articles..."; 3rd Caribbean Jamboree as there is an article on the Caribbean Scout Jamboree and I can't see that there are grounds - or enough sources - for a separate article on each particular meeting) to our request list. To my mind I would have said that only two of them were of real importance for WP:GY - Bernard Drake and the Guyana National Service - but I figured it's good for project activity to have all requests that have been made shown on our page, and it gives ideas for potential articles to work on :) Apart from the two I didn't add, there would seem to be sufficient sources for at least a small article on all of the rest... Lorelei (talk) 10:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Ditto National Communications Network, Guyana :). Ironholds (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem :). Thanks for the fantastic work! Ironholds (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Would you like to archive your talk page?
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 * Hey David! Hope you're well. This is a great idea actually - thank you for the advice... Will get it set up asap :) Lorelei (talk) 22:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Languages of Guyana
Please take a look at Languages of Guyana and see if it is complete, and if you can add references to it. I added SA/Guyana templates to a number of the language pages, which should bring up our total articles again. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello! Sorry for the delay on this... It's mainly accurate though with a few problems. Though I find language classification a bit hard to get my head around at the best of times, I am sure that not all the Amerindian languages spoken in Guyana are Cariban: Arawak and Wapishana are both Arawakan languages; I think I'm right in saying that Makushi is Cariban, as are Wai-Wai, Akawaio and Patamuna; Warao is, I think, distinct from either of these language groups. Regarding secondary languages, I think that the emphasis in the article is a bit skewed, and perhaps out of date. Portuguese is spoken very widely as a second or third language; from experience I'd say that it's the most commonplace second language though I'll check for refs on this.  I think the article is right in saying that Spanish appears as a second language, particularly in the North-west of the country.  I have a feeling that the information about French being taught in secondary schools may well be out-of-date: I'll look into that. I'll also look into Dutch and French as secondary languages on the East coast - I don't know much about that one way or another...  I think Chinese should probably also be added to the list, but will check on that too. Lorelei (talk) 12:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * How are you doing with this article? Be careful about adding "Chinese" to the list, most likely it should be "Cantonese" and not "Mandarin."

Proposed Deletion of Category: Black British writers


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✅ Sorry this took so long - I've been off wiki for a little while! Lorelei (talk) 00:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Hi Dthomsen8!! Thank you for the lovely message, and it's great to in touch with you again on here :) I did notice that you'd fixed up an article for me and reviewed one too - thank you very much as always (especially as I'm feeling a little rusty at the moment ... but am getting back into it again!!). I sent you a wee email a little while back, when I started back up again; not sure if you got it, but either way hope all's really good with you. Big smiles, Lorelei (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from December 1st, 2013 – January 31st, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.

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A new version of our AfC helper script has been released! It includes many bug fixes, new improvements and features, code enhancements, and more. If you want to see a full list of changes, visit the changelog. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. EdwardsBot (talk) 09:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive
 Hello Lorelei:

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AfD on John Stanton
Hello. You did a lot of edits on Human Terrain System. An article on John Stanton (journalist), who wrote a lot about HTS, is now on the AfD listing. Perhaps you'd like to comment. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 04:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks S.Rich, have commented. Lorelei (talk) 18:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will comment on the AfD later. For now you might look at my talk page. An IP signing as Stanton has commented and posted some links. I think the IP is Stanton as it is geolocated in Arlington VA. – S. Rich (talk) 18:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks again S.Rich. Have taken a look.  Certainly my memory of going through all the many many articles on HTS is that Stanton's work was treated as highly valuable and creditable source by a number of the established academics commenting on the subject.  I'm also really sure that if I trawled back through all those articles (!) there would be a lot more mentions of him and his work.  But I think the few I've put up there now really should be enough to establish that there's solid basis for an article, even if somewhat reduced.  All best, Lorelei (talk) 19:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania 2014
I am at Wikimania 2014 at Barbican Centre in London. Are you still at Cambridge?--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi DThomsen8! Lovely to hear from you! Are you at Wikimania literally as we speak? Is it on now?! Very exciting! I'm not in Cambs at the mo, no - will email you :) A big hug Lorelei (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, Wikimania2014 through Sunday. Can you get to London then? Write to me thru Wikipedia, my email has changed.--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC


 * Oh great - hope you're having a good time! I'm going to be in Surrey not that far from London over the weekend, but it's for a family birthday and I'm not sure I'll be able to break off very easily ... in case though, can i get your new email on your user page or is there another way to contact you (won't be able to access this while in Surrey)? If so, will give you a shout if I think I might be able to make it over. Lorelei (talk) 21:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Surrey is beautiful, with some great castles, and I will not be near there. Annie and I leave from Gatwick on Thursday for Iceland and Newark and home. No chance of actually meeting you. Wikimania was great, best part meeting helpful people, and learning in meetings and together in small groups. Next year in Mexico City.--DThomsen8 (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * So glad to hear you had a good time. Really sorry we didn't get to meet this time, but hope there will be another chance (Mexico City sounds very tempting!!). Lorelei (talk) 16:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeoman Editor
With over 4,000 edits and 2 years of service, you are a Yeoman Editor. Please change your user page.--DThomsen8 (talk) 03:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you Dthomsen8!!! That's very thoughtful! Can't believe it's been two years... and don't feel like I've done very much at all to justify a change of title! So looking forward to getting back on it soon! Hope you're well :) Lorelei (talk) 19:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Latin American 10,000 Challenge invite
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Speedy deletion nomination of Neil L. Whitehead


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