User talk:Lou Sander/Archive 2

Userpage
Hello. Very nice userpage. I made an external link into a internal one. I wrote here to tell you that you could use list-wiki-markup for the list of articles at the bottom of your page. Just start the line with "*" and you don't need to end it with "&lt;br&gt;" to enforce a line break. --Ysangkok 19:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

"Groups sometimes confused with the Amish"
Thanks for your recent thoughts about the Amish article. Yes, I agree that the "groups sometimes confused with the Amish" section should go. I have brought the idea up on the talk page, and will excise it in a few days unless someone brings up some unexpected reason to keep it. Happy editing, Wachholder0 20:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

National Defense Reserve Fleet
Cen, I reverted your addition of the photo of the USS Iowa, because I don't believe it is part of the NDRF. With very few exceptions, NDRF is for merchant-type ships. I didn't see Iowa in the current NDRF inventory at the bottom of the article. Iowa is probably in some other fleet. If I'm wrong about this, by all means put the photo back in. Lou Sander 04:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * See U.S. Department of Transportation Maritime Administration National Defense Reserve Fleet Inventory Jan. 31, 2007, page 16 Centpacrr 05:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops! Before I removed the photo, I went through that list twice, looking for the Iowa and not finding it. Should have used Windows' Find, I guess. Sorry. Lou Sander 05:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. I actually took this photograph myself from the deck of the SS Jeremiah O'Brien on a cruise by that 1943 Liberty ship to Suisun Bay in August, 2005, so I had no doubt as to the Iowa's identity or location. Centpacrr 03:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Lou
Going by a complaint I see at here I simply want to remind you to discuss the articles and not the editors or their intentions. I won't bore you with a childish warning template, and only ask that you make an effort to be more civil. Thanks and best wishes.--MONGO 22:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Maritime trades invite
Hey Lou, though this might be of interest! Cheers. Haus42 13:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

USS Lenoir
You/Lou said: Good work on clarifying the county vs. the town! I put most of the AKA articles into Wikipedia, and it's fascinating to see the improvements to articles about ships that haven't been around for decades. Lou Sander 13:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Grubbmeister")

Thanks Lou, I was interested to see the ship. Was doing a little personal interest in the Patriot William Lenoir and came across your article. Personally, I've only added about nine articles to Wikipedia. Back when they were threatening to hit a million (and now they have ), I started racking my brain to find missing articles. Whipping out a list of old ships? Great Work! grubbmeister 08:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You/Lou said: Years ago I was on one of those old ships (USS Rankin (AKA-103)). I wrote an article about her, then branched into other similar ships, plus ships built at the same place as she was. I finished that project, and haven't done any more, but there are many of them waiting to be done. The basic material is at DANFS, so you can do an article fairly quickly. There's a LOT of Wikification to be done on them, as well as polishing up the DANFS language. Plus you learn about history and exotic locations. Hundreds of APA's (attack transports) are out there waiting to be put on Wikipedia. If I get the "new article bug," I'll probably start on them one day. Lou Sander 13:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Grubbmeister")

Good stuff, would be ashanmed to let all that work go to waste when such a repository as Wikipedia exists. I am like super-busy these days, and when I need quick info, I trust the collective integrity of Wikipedia editors everywhere to get my pertinent info in seconds. Otherwise if I had the time on my hands... grubbmeister 17:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Table formatting for USS Rankin
I've posted what I hope is the answer to your table question at the Village Pump. Let me know if this is what you wanted. -- MarcoTolo 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

List of polio survivors
Thank-you for your kind words. I can't take credit for the FDR info. I left the the text of that entry pretty-much untouched when moving the names from poliomyelitis to this list. There's a whole article dedicated to that story, plus the referenced paper is freely available online and is interesting if you like medical detective stories!

"Contracted" is more proper than "caught". I'm not sure of the best way to phrase each entry since there's a lot of repetition. Needless variation might make the reader think there is some subtle differenced between the entries. On the other hand, repeating a phrase might cause fatigue. I had in mind the advice to novelists that one should say "he said" rather than more elaborate words like "he explained". Apparently common words are invisible to readers and their repetition goes unnoticed. If I said "he contracted polio" 100 times, it might become tedious. But perhaps the word "caught" stood out every time you read it? I'm too close to the text to be sure. Colin°Talk 22:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

USS Wyandot (AKA-92)
Many thanks for starting the article. My father served on the Wyandot during Operation Deep Freeze (1955-56). He now arranges the annual reunions for those who served onboard. — Loadmaster 22:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * No thanks. Lou Sander 02:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Have you kept up with the Saaty situation on AHP?
I was just wondering if you were following the changes to the Analytic Hierarchy Process. There are some heavy COI changes that keep popping up.Hubbardaie 19:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:J38TelegraphKey.jpg & Image:VibroplexBug.jpg
In order to use those pictures in the Commons, can you add some details about the photographer, and those who have released their copyrights...? Yuval Y • Chat • 21:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

5"/38cal gun
Thank you for the encouragement. I'm new to Wikipedia, and any pointers will be appreciated. FTC Gerry 02:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

AKA ships
Just wanted to drop you a note to say that I've updated the final disposition of all the Category:Arcturus class attack cargo ships articles, as well as minor other cleanup like fixing flags, interwiki linking to the class article, etc. I was looking for something else on my talk page, came across your note again, and was inspired to clean up those AKAs. Thanks again for the note - it's much more rewarding to work on articles when you know someone out there notices and appreciates it :) Maralia 03:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image on your userpage
Image:PittsburghSteelers 1000.png is a fair use image, and as such should not be in userspace. You have it on your page. I thought I'd notify you instead of removing it myself. &mdash; i said 05:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you notice my above comment, I notified you very politely about the fair use image. You did not respond, and have edited since I posted the notification. The image cannot be in userspace. Please remove it. &mdash; i said 05:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the image once more. Do not restore it again; you're violating Wikipedia's Fair Use policy by having the image on your userpage. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 05:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please stop editing my User page. Apparently you have a problem with an image that is there. Please tell me why you don't just delete the image. Lou Sander 05:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is not the problem. Where is is located is the problem. It is a fair use image, which means it isn't a free image. It can be used as a fair use image. However, part of the strict rules of fair use stipulates that the image can only be in articles, nowhere else. i said 05:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please show me these strict rules of fair use. Also please explain why there seem to be two of you. Lou Sander 05:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is only one of me. EVula is an administrator who somehow became aware of this. As for the rules, see all of WP:FU, but specifically for the restriction on location, see #9. i said 05:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. It's a shame that it took so much discussion to get it out of you. I must say that you are one of the least pleasant people I have encountered in a very long time. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's a problem you have in life. Lou Sander 05:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, I'm sorry I suppose. I just imagined a user who has been here since 2006 would know the basic fair use policy, and have the ability to click on a link and read the linked page. i said 05:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see from your activity that you also "imagine" you are not incivil. It's not just imagining to think that a person who has been alive long enough to be a high school junior has developed inalterable lifelong negative personality traits. Please go away. Lou Sander 06:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm here because I noticed the note you left on I's user talk page (which I still had watchlisted from a post I made back in July). I would suggest that, if you're unfamiliar with what an editor is talking about (such as our Fair Use policy), you ask, rather than tell them to stop editing your user page. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 05:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The offending editor was pretty incivil, IMHO. It left a brief cryptic note, then a bit later it edited my user page. I objected. What seemed to be a tag team discussion ensued, with Essjay-like claims of independence. Now I guess this page is on both (?) of your watchlists. Please try very hard to leave me alone, and I will do the same with you. Lou Sander 06:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was not incivil. I notified you of the violation instead of removing it myself, a courtesty. You edited after I notified you, which indicates you ignored it. I removed it, because it violates policy, and you refused to. You, on the other hand, have not been particularly civil yourself. Saying that I am "one of the least pleasant people [you] have encountered in a long time", and that I have a problem in life, coupled with the subtle accusations of sockpuppetry is not civil. The issue is resolved: the image is removed. There is no need to discuss this further. i said 22:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What part of "please go away" don't you understand? You are THE most unpleasant person I have encountered in a long time. I am trying to tell you that in a civil manner. Please stop posting your self-justifications here. Nobody here is interested in your lectures, or you, or anything you have to say (just like all the other places). Please, please, please, please just stop, you "male high school junior," you. Lou Sander 05:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Lou, Wikipedia is a collaborative environment. While I's initial comment to you may have been a bit terse, no harm was meant by it. As it is, asking someone to stop editing your talk page isn't a guarantee that they will do so (though I have advised him to do so, and myself plan on discontinuing the conversation, though you're more than welcome to drop me a line if you have any questions or administrative needs). Saying that someone's good-faithed edits are "lectures" and saying that nobody cares what they have to say isn't particularly helpful to engaging in a dialogue with other editors. I would suggest being less reactionary in the future. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 05:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope it is obvious that I am trying to disengage dialog with this extremely offensive (IMHO) editor. Lou Sander 06:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thinskinned, aren't you?71.56.155.117 06:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah. Just tired of hearing from "male high school juniors" who aren't quite what they say they are. This one has a track record on a site that shouldn't be mentioned here. Lou Sander 11:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia 101
This is me, from the library. Seven others are here, too. 72.77.19.206 23:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I am also here. Cleome 23:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

AKAs
Just wanted to leave you a note since you are likely to notice that I am working on the AKA articles. What I'm doing: I think the other changes I'm making will be obvious minor improvements, so I'll leave it at that. Let me know if you have any questions, please. Maralia 16:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Refining categories: There has been so much cross-categorization that it's getting really difficult to navigate categories. If a ship is in a class cat that has itself been properly categorized (like USS Achernar (AKA-53) is in Category:Andromeda class cargo ships, which is categorized in Category:Amphibious warfare vessels of the United States, Category:United States Navy amphibious assault ships, and Category:World War II amphibious warfare ships of the United States), then I'm removing those categories on the ship article itself. I am being careful to leave categories that are specific to that ship's service - i.e., the Andromeda cat isn't categorized for Korea or Vietnam because not all Andromedas served in those, so if an individual Andromeda ship was categorized to either of those, I'm keeping it there.
 * DANFS change: The DANFS template now accepts a parameter for the link to the DANFS entry on the ship, so I am moving DANFS links from External links to within the DANFS call in References.


 * Sounds good! Lou Sander 01:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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USS Estes (AGC-12)
Hi, Lou. I think I stumbled across the USS Estes page from the Estes dabpage, although I'm not sure. Once I read the article (my military time was with the USAF, but I like the Navy and their pointy gray floating things too) the naming oddity was pretty apparent. Much of my wife's family lives in Estes Park so I'm quite familiar with the area and the mountains that dominate the skyline there. I was unaware of the Estes Mountain in Idaho, and although it's relatively obscure, it might be the source of the name. I don't know if the DANFS people are interested in this kind of stuff, but they may well be. I've contributed hundreds of errata to the FAA for sectional chart updates, so this is the kind of project of which I approve. Go for it! Merenta (talk) 15:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Coulter
I'm not sure there was anything included in the quote I removed that was necessary to the article. We already know they entered the political arena, we don't need Coulter saying that. And perhaps anyone entering the political arena inherently deserves to have their dignity and the dignity of their family viciously attacked in this manner as you seem to be implying, but neither your comment nor Coulter's actually explains that connection (and it seems pretty counterintuitive to me). Anyway, this discussion belongs on the article's talk page so let's take it there. Thanks! csloat 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
It has been proposed that WP:EPISODE be merged into WP:WAF. Your input is desired, so please comment here. Ursasapien (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)