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Hi, I have your responses of my example of the gold for first place, and silver for second place. But the their place color can be like bronze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypillsjr (talk • contribs) 02:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What? I have no idea what your trying to say about the bronze as it pertains to this?

I am saying the third place color can be bronze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypillsjr (talk • contribs) 03:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As of season 4 there is no 3rd place. The final three all make it to the "Reunited and Coronation" special where the winner is announced, they no longer specify who is 2nd or 3rd. So instead there are two runner-ups every season, since. For the first three seasons bronze is used.--LurganShmith (talk) 03:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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On the 27th of June, You saw my changes of these charts on each seasons which is Royal Blue to Dodgers Blue and Light Blue to Sky blue. Are interested of these colors which is a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.51.11 22:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I posted it to the season five talk page, where the issue had been previously discussed and decided upon, for further discussion. It's not an edit that can be made, and maintained, without discussion from the other users who watch the articles.--LurganShmith (talk) 10:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Batman edit
You said "You've degraded this article with an overuse of media in a personal vendetta against Miss Kitt..."

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!?!?

I have NOTHING IN THE SLIGHTEST against Eartha Kitt!! But it is totally illogical that she should be the ONLY person who appeared in Batman to have a picture in the article. Furthermore, it is just as illogical that she should appear BEFORE full-time cast and more frequent guests. Those were my ONLY concerns. I'm delighted to have her APPEAR in the article, but there should be a LOGICAL method to it. I guess you didn't even notice that I made her picture appear LARGER than before -- does that detail not fit into your delusional paranoia?? 70.17.165.159 (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * When I said you degraded the article it was by over crowding, you made all the pictures so big it hindered reading. If you compared edit histories you'll see I didn't remove your edits, I rearranged them to make logical since and appear more astheticly pleasing; the other User removed both of our modifications on the grounds that the cast has it's own article with pictures. Kitt's picture is only included because of a reasonable mention of her character; there also, if you compare farther back in the edit history, was an entire section about the double premier of her first episode just following that section, thus further reason for the files use. It doesn't make logical since to use a file unless inserted next to a body of text which references the subject of the picture. Which is why I moved Julie Newmar to an above section which mentioned her and the other three photos into a neat column besides the cast section. As I said, I'm not the one who removed them entirely. Also, it has nothing to do with the order the pictures appear in the article; you keep saying it only makes logical sense to arrange them by cast appearance, but that isn't how the article is arranged; as I've said it only makes sense if the pictures are adjacent to text about them, avoiding over use, which was your problem. The other User described it as "photo bombing" I believe. Also, my apologies over any confusion, you can't fit much in an edit summery. The same goes for your edit summary, state g a desire to place her "BELOW" the other cast members without explanation. And, even more apologies for the many typos in this paragraph, I'm writing this on my tablet and the mobile site makes typing next to impossible on my device.--LurganShmith (talk) 04:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Further apologies, upon reviewing the cast list I see there are no images. The four images you added to the main article can be placed on the cast list page in a clean concise column similar to the column I had made from three of those images. If I get time tomorrow I'll do it, but if not feel free to go back through the edit histories to see what I mean about a column and you can, yourself, arrange them in the order they already appear in the list, Kitt's picture doesn't make sense there, though; you only need one catwoman. I'll probably do it, though. I actually agree that the files should be used.--LurganShmith (talk) 05:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If You even care I've added those pictures to the cast article.--LurganShmith (talk) 14:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It was your description of it as "a personal vendetta against Miss Kitt" that was completely out of the realm of rationality. Before I edited, she was the ONLY person pictured from their role on the show -- which made, and STILL makes, absolutely no sense. Nothing AT ALL against her, be she was only a secondary portrayer of a major villain character; meanwhile, that villain's PRIMARY portrayer, as well as the show's heroes, and the other three major villains, were missing. And as Kitt's status on the show was as merely a late-comer replacement, she should come BELOW the others. I do appreciate that after your initial outburst, you did not remove the pictures. It was annoying, also, that you changed the captions on the pictures resulting in MISinformation about the pic of the other three villains: it was NOT a third-season image, but from the movie; it would've been for the better not to have characterized the source at all. But that initial accusation is still utterly beyond belief. 70.17.165.159 (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Look, I tried being polite, I've even apologized for the obvious misunderstanding on both our parts, and that didn't work. YOU have no concept of proper media usage on Wikipedia. As I've said, the pictures you tried to add are now in the cast list article. I made those captions based off the file description on Wikimedia Commons; if the file's description is incorrect on Wikimedia Commons, CHANGE IT, then correct that in the caption of the image on the cast article. You're making this into something bigger then it is, I've tried to tell you Wikipedia guidelines contradict your opinion, and you don't listen. I've been where you are, this is something I've been doing for at least five years, now. I know how it is not being familiar with guidelines, but you're not wanting to understand what I'm telling you, and continue to victimize yourself. We have made a compromise over the file usage, and that is that.--LurganShmith (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Good day, sir or madam.--LurganShmith (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Batman 1966 images
While the image are on Commons, there are still problems with using them for List of Batman television series characters... most of them the same issues with using them against the cast section in the main article. - J Greb (talk) 02:01, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The start falling out of context rather quickly.
 * It's still cherry picking. Granted the top three sections are the ones that have the "recognizable" characters, picking just those 7 opts out of at least 5 other actors that hit the same level - Alan Napier, Lee Meriwether, Eartha Kitt, John Astin, and Victor Buono. And the 3 remaining "regular cat" can have a fair argument made on their behalf as well. And adding all of that would make for a very awkward strip down the right side.
 * And it's almost always an uphill to add an image to a list just for "This is what the character/actor looks like." More often than not it''l be remove since that's what the link to the actor article is for.
 * Just remove them, I'm tired of this. I only added them because the other user wanted them up and I found them relevant. I was under the impression that because they were published before the 1970's without a copyright they were free images. I wouldn't of other wise added any of the images. Thanks. --LurganShmith (talk) 02:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Anything Goes (Cole Porter song)
Thanks for your expansion of the article. However, the content you added would require more inline citations. Would you please add them when you get time? — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 04:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I cited everything that can't be confirmed by wikilinks to the album and discography articles. I'll be happy to add a few extra citations though, especially for recording dates and charts.--LurganShmith (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that should be sufficient, if you feel the need for anymore just tag the sentance as "citation needed" and I'll find it sooner then later to cite.--LurganShmith (talk) 23:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hey, just saw your recent changed to Willam's album section, categorizing Shartistry in Motion as an EP as "this does not meet the criteria of a full-length studio album, it doesn't matter if the artist calls it one in this case" could I badger you as to ask what you're basing this claim off?  Azealia 911  talk  21:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC) I'd appreciate you getting back to me on this.  Azealia 911  talk  21:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't checked this in awhile. It doesn't constitute an album because it only has eight songs. Wikipedia guidelines as well as the recording industry guidelines by Bill Board and numerous other chart trackers say a full-length album has to have 9 or more tracks or have enough continuous play to fill a traditional 12 inch record. Shartisty in Motion only has 8 songs. A similar example would be Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster. -LurganShmith (talk) 04:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you link me to the guideline you speak of please? Or the Billboard guideline? Or one of the numerous other chart providing guidelines? I'd appreciate it to help me better categorize projects in the future. I ask because the UK guidelines for March 2015 (see point "3.0 Albums Definitions Summary") state that anything more than four tracks and over 25 minutes of playtime is considered an album. However, if there are American guidelines, I imagine they'd be more suitable for this case. I await those links, thanks.  Azealia 911  talk  14:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm having a difficult time finding Billboard's guidelines, they don't publish everything to the Web and have constantly been changing rules the past few years so they may have changed their definition since 2009/2011.


 * Apparently, due to vague, open, and varying definitions country-to-county, there is a big gray area for what counts as an EP and what counts as an Album. What I said about "8 tracks" isn't included in any definition, I've been attributing it that way incorrectly for some years because 8-9 tracks are usually the maximum number of songs possible to have a run time between 20 and 35 minutes in length (those numbers come from a few different sources I found in the archives of talk: The Fame Monster and at Extended play). Admittedly the primary reason I made the Willam edit was in remembering the edit wars that went on for a few years about whether The Fame Monster was an album or extended play, and the ultimate conclusion of extended play.


 * I did find the RIAA definition: "According to Recording Industry Association of America, an EP is defined as 3-5 songs OR under 30 minutes, whereas a single is allowed to contain up to 4 songs." (source)


 * ^^Given that this release is American that would be the best definition to go by.


 * In adding up the track lengths of Shartistry in Motion:
 * 3:28
 * 3:47+
 * 3:20+
 * 3:48+
 * 4:00+
 * 3:27+
 * 3:25+
 * 3:47+
 * _________
 * =29:02


 * Because it's shorter than thirty minutes but has more tracks than five tracks, this release falls into a gray area within the U.S.


 * Upon reviewing why editors chose to classify The Fame Monster as an EP (it fell into a gray area also, but for more than one reason) the deciding factor was how Billboard classified it in Gaga's discography on their website and how they counted it in U.S. charts. -- Willam doesn't have an Artist profile on Billboard ... so that's out.


 * I did find this article published to their website which describes it as a second album, but it's written by an individual and isn't really anything concrete:


 * I noticed that the release charted in their comedy albums chart, but because they don't have a separate comedy extended play chart (that could be wrong, I can't find one or any references to one, but I also don't subscribe to Billboard pro to double check) for distinguishing a deference ... that may also be useless in classifying the release.


 * I guess if Willam is choosing to label it an album, we can go with that? But this really is a gray area, it's either a long EP or a short Album (and would usually be called an EP). I'm reluctant to go with that, for the fact that just because an artist calls something an album doesn't always make it one, but without better sources (like a Major Chart entry which clearly distinguish an album from an EP), it looks like Willam's words are (atleast as far as I can find so far) the best definition we have in this circumstance...


 * I imagine if Willam were more famous and had more hecklers noting the short length their would be something more definitive to cite, but because he isn't, it (at least to me) feels like everyone (official) is blindly going along with what he tells them of it without really fact checking thoroughly. This is basically a problem of having a lack of conjecture.


 * -LurganShmith (talk) 17:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As a side note, I don't have the time to do it, but if no one else is working on one, Shartistry in Motion now meets the criteria for it's own article because of it's charting...

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