User talk:Matopotato

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Your submission at Articles for creation: The Horstmann Technique (September 14)
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Your submission at AfC The Horstmann Technique was accepted
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Nomination of The Horstmann Technique for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Horstmann Technique is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Hi!

Thanks for your nice note.

The issue I had was that the sourcing you included in that article were all to rather partisan sources. That is to say that the sources were mainly promotional in nature rather than being the kinds of high-quality material that would be needed to pass the independent verification we need, especially for articles about ostensibly medical topics (see this page for more on that). I think the problem is that most of the material was essentially original research in the sense that there hasn't been effective independent review of the topic yet. If you can find sources that are independent, please add them and write on the basis of them!

jps (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To respond in brief, controversial topics can be discussed at Wikipedia, but there is such a history that there are a lot of guidelines for how they should be sourced: WP:FRINGE is a useful guideline to that effect. The problem I see in many of your suggestions is the lack of independent sources which means it is difficult to know what to take seriously and what is just promotion. The existence of independent sources is one of the primary means by which you can argue that a topic should be included in Wikipedia. If you can't find independent sources, it may not be possible to write a neutral article without engaging in original research. jps (talk) 13:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: Welcome page
Hi Matopotato, thanks for the note. I realised that after months of editing you hadn't officially been welcomed. Articles for deletion isn't a particularly nice welcome. It's also not fair to expect you to participate in discussions like that without having explained the basics of editing here. Try to get a handle on things like notability, verifiability and the use of reliable sources. Those will make starting a new article much easier. The article you started had a few problems, the biggest of which is the question of whether the subject is notable. If it isn't then you'll have a tough time convincing people it should stay. Stalwart 111  10:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Stalwart and thanks for the explanation, I went through some of the steps mentioned when I was writing, after initial rejection for lack of references I corrected and then it went to accepted, albeit with a wish for further enhancements. I haven't honestly done much work since. The topic of notability is quite interesting since I am on the receiving end of this debate, it does not sound like a non-controversial aspect given one has different opinions on a topic. We'll see what happens. I have tried to explain my thoughts to the user who edited the article in the first place. And after removing all references, it was picked up by another user who propose to delete it. Perhaps this is how it works when something is of controversial nature. If this will prove to be off-putting or encouraging, I can't tell, but my misty views of openness, freedom of views opinions etc is hampered a bit by the almighty truth that some believe is out there. I am not saying Wikipedia should allow "anything" in, but the censoring in order to reach absolute truth is probably an illusion as well... Sorry, got a bit philosophical there. Cheers, Matopotato (talk) 11:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * No problem - the whole thing is a bit philosophical at times. I've suggested (in that discussion) "userfication" (see WP:UFY). That will allow for the article to be returned to a "draft" space (unpublished) to allow you to continue working on it. It's a better option than deletion, I think. It means that once you think it is ready you can re-submit it and hopefully this time someone legitimate can help you through the process of having it accepted. I'm happy to help again at that point if you would like me to. You should also try to get a handle on talk page coding like colons for indentation and single paragraphs without new lines. It not essential but it will help you contribute to discussions. Stalwart 111  11:25, 7 April 2014 (UTC)