User talk:Mcginnly/23 September 2006 - 12 Janaury 2007

Re:Rfa questions
Yeah, I'm editing them right now. I already wrote the answers to the questions, but then I got edit conflicted, so I had to address another user's comments. It'll be up shortly, though.

Thanks! -- Nish kid 64 20:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, added. -- Nish kid 64 21:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I will respond to your question when I get some time. I've been doing my English essay for the last 3 hours and it's a bit stressful. I'll probably get to answering it later today, or tomorrow. -- Nish kid 64 00:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your questions. See Requests for adminship/Nishkid64 for my answer to your two questions. -- Nish kid 64 21:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wondering, what exactly did you not like about my responses to the question? I will follow up on your advice, but I just want you to elaborate a bit more on your statements. -- Nish kid 64 21:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok our thread ran like this:-
 * 5. Under what circumstances would you consider blocking an experienced editor? --Mcginnly | Natter 11:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A: Although, I personally think that a little leniency should be given to an experienced editor, since they have given a great deal to the community through previous editing. However, such things do happen and admins have to always deal with it. It really depends on the offense they committed. Without real specifics I can't answer the question. Every case is unique in its own way, and has to be dealt in its own way. I can give you a general idea of possible offenses, though. Some things that come up in my mind include possible sock puppetry (it does happen to some people), repeated vandalism, constant personal attacks on other users (as stated WP:ATTACK; also see WP:CIVIL), violating 3RR, etc. If an experienced user commits a severe offense, then I would seek the opinions of other admins before a decision shall be made.
 * Firstly some specifics for the above:- a) Would you block a user who was dissenting of wikipedia or it's processes. b)Would you block a user for incivility? c)Would you block a sock puppet as soon as it is discovered the user has another account?
 * I would put a bit more weight on an offense that is targetted against Wikipedia. So, if someone made 2-3 anti-Wikipedia offenses, I would definitely block them. I see lots of people who vandalize pages with "Wikipedia sucks" and stuff like that, and I usually just warn them. If a user hasn't been civil in an article edit or user space edit, I would probably do as per what I would do with anti-Wikipedia remarks. Maybe I'm not getting this here, but if a sockpuppet made a new account, I would definitely block the user per WP:SOCK.
 * Secondly, what sort of severe offence - Surely if it was severe the case is open and shut and the block wouldn't require another admins opinion? I would have thought it more important to consult on the borderline cases.--Mcginnly | Natter 23:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess you bring up a good point there. I probably will act on my own, but a few times, like in borderline cases, I will probably first consult with the inflicted party. Regardless of the situation, I would definitely at least inform the inflicted admin about what happened.
 * Questions from Andeh

There are legitimate reasons for having a sock account - you suggest immediate blocking, this demonstrates to me that you haven't read the policy. Quoting policy isn't really enought for me either though - I want to know how you'd interpret policy (It's always ambiguous). You also seemed quite unsure of yourself in this area. Finally dissent isn't vandalism (which is what you described) there's a difference between scrawling "Wikipedia sucks" on the wall and saying "I don't agree with what this admin has done here" - Admins do not have the right to stiffle debate, attempts to have recently brought about a lot of unstablility for the project recently.--Mcginnly | Natter 22:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Permcat names
It's normal for category names to be plural, for the reason you mention, it's just a matter for stub-cats whether they're "double plurals". Or in the case of "buildings and structures stubs", I suppose triple. You're very welcome for whatever points I made about adminship... not that I recall what they were. :) Alai 15:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Re Islamic architecture
Hi Mcginnly. Sure, no problem at all. Just be bold and do it. By the way, you are doing a very good job at the article. Here are some refs re to Quba Mosque as the first mosque in Islam:
 * Muhammad: The Messenger of Islam by Hajjah Amina Adil (p.286)
 * The Naqshbandi Sufi Tradition Guidebook of Daily Practices and Devotions by Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani (p.301)
 * Happold: The Confidence to Build by Derek Walker and Bill Addis (p.81) -- Szvest 15:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up ®

Portal:Architecture
Hello, are you interested in rotating the Portal every third week?

Very nice pictures of Barcelona. May I nominate some for featured picture at Commons? Thanks --Dogears 16:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right that it always needs updating in many ways. Don't forget also DYK and in the news (in the news we sadly seem to neglect the most). It would be nice to even rotate the SI and SAs on a shorter than 1 week basis sometime, I don't know if were ready for that yet even though we have something of a backlog developing in the nominations. What do you think of this, Hallidie Building? I found a picture for it finally, and need to substantiate the claim about the first curtain wall. I forget where I read that, but know I did somewhere. Once I remember and add a little more, it might be my first DYK. Best, DVD+ R/W 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Proposal accepted - re: "…so my proposal is:- perhaps you guys would consider lending a hand keeping those bits up to date and I'll rotate on the 3rd week. How does that sound?…" See also new toolbar, below. Feel free to edit if its useful. —dogears (talk &bull; contribs) 17:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! You can rotate the portal tonight, if you'd like to, or I'll get to it tomorrow, since I delayed two weeks now. —Dogears 01:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

mosque to house
I think that will be more accurate. it's a pilgrimage site therefore a shrine... the use of mosque in the ref is used not in accurate fashion. Amoruso 17:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Pilgrimage site and worship site. It is more accurately a worshiping site and muslims come from all over the world to visit it as it is one of the 3 holiest sites. Maybe having it Mosque for worship is enough and fair along with the word shrine. Almaqdisi 17:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * house of pilgrimage. if not, it's best to leave it. almaqdisi, stop stalking. Amoruso 17:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not undersand. Mginnly is saying that there are many sources which mention it is a Mosque. This is true. Now you are discussing it is for piligrimage or worship. Pointless. Keep the word a Mosque only if pilgrimage will be an issue of debate too! No need to mention piligrimage or worship, just a mosque. And accroding to the definition of a Mosque, it is a place of worship. In Mecca the piligrims go to worship in a Mosque called masjid al-Haram. But again, if this is an issue of debate, forget it and just keep the word Mosque along with the word shrine. Simple... Almaqdisi 17:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * it's by definition not a mosque. some refer to it as mosque because of pilgrimage. No, the article will never say in the lead that it's a "mosque" because it isn't. Live with it. Amoruso 17:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Alternate version will be to leave "shrine" and in the end of the lead say something like "Some refer to the Dome as a Rock as a mosque even though it isn't". That can be acceptable too. Amoruso 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Amuros, please let us not repeat the stuff we did in several talk pages...! Any one can go to Google and find "Dome of the Rock Mosque" or "Mosque of Umar" to see that this is indeed a Mosque.! I will stop discussing this any further. Almaqdisi 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please do stop this nonsense and violations. Amoruso 17:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Gary Kirk's RfA


Islamic architecture
Hi Mcginnly!! Yes, about the Regional architecture template, I personally think it is quite irrelevant to be honest with you. There is no point of putting it in a Regional architeture articles, it gives an article "the lack of informative language, that gives the article a loss of appereance and describition". It should be either re-constructed or deleted. Nonetheless, I have observed the article's progress during the last week and it is being re-constructed very well. However, the small paragraphs (i.e. the Fatamid architecture) don't have a main article like the other ones. I have searched for them but I couldn't find any artciles by that name. I was going to ask you about other issues regarding this article but I hopelessly forgot them so I will post a message later on when I remember them!!!!!

 Abdullah Geelah 19:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Mcginnly!!, I have been warching the Stirling Prize award on TV and when I went on the PC I found out that someone put the Taj Mahal picture on the first paragraph on the Islamic architecture page. Was it you?? because it looks irrelevant on the first paragraph.


 * I think you should remove it from this article but different languages help us to understand and the point is that Persian, Arabic and Turkish are the major languages in the Islamic world. However, can you keep Arabic as it is the main language of Islam???

Abdullah Geelah 21:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Please Vote
Articles for deletion/AutoCAD Layers Please vote and voice whatever opinion you have. Thank You.--Endgame1 21:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about
While Islamic architecture is on the improvement drive, what do you think about Berber architecture? It is now a redlink, but might it make a useful addition? DVD+ R/W 20:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes sounds good - At first I wasn't sure if it wasn't just a subset of Moorish architecture - the stub of which I created this week, but this site seems to disagree with that. some more sources here, here and some great images at the commons. --Mcginnly | Natter 08:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Graz Art Museum, Kunsthaus Graz, or Grazer Kunsthaus
Which do you think should be the title of an article about this in English? Could you take a look at User:DVD R W/Grazer Kunsthaus and de:Grazer Kunsthaus, and double check my translation? (/me knows that you can translate German well) Also feel free to add anything, when I release it into the wild it will be moved rather than C&P'd so it will keep the history of revisions. Also, do you think we should have a Portal:Architecture/New article announcements like Portal:Russia/New article announcements? See ya, DVD+ R/W 00:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Two more
I'm starting two more from de: User:DVD R W/Killesbergturm, and User:DVD R W/Praemium Imperiale if you want to help again :-) see de:Killesbergturm and de:Praemium_Imperiale. I am also thinking about this one de:Multihalle Do you think we should have a box on the portal listing new articles or announce them like in the example above? Also take another look at de:Portal:Architektur und Bauwesen, they've totaly re-done it. DVD+ R/W 02:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Two more
Look, a new de: architecture EA de:Historisches Rathaus Münster, I haven't moved it to my userspace because it is too long and I'm going to finish Killesbergturm first (I just about finished User:DVD R W/Автопортрет from ru: today). I brought over User:DVD R W/Baustelle, Baustelle means building site right? Do you think it is worth having it's own article? Now it redirects to construction, where I don't think it is mentioned. I don't know, I might just zap it. I'm excited because I found GFDL pics of Casa Malaparte too. See ya, DVD+ R/W 06:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Eid
Happy Eid!! to you as well, yes i was away for a couple of weeks because of Eid and Ramadan. About the picture, I think you should put the Taj Mahal picture at the lead but can you find another appropriate picture to go on the Mughal architecture section. Abdullah Geelah 19:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Well I seem to finally have time to visit the Wikipedia again, and I offer you a belated thank you for your input in my RfA. In a few months after I graduate I think I'll be able to come back and try again later. I'll be sure to be involved in MfD, AfD. Any tips or suggestions for me based on what you remember?X ['Mac Davis '] (SUPERDESK |Help me improve ) 06:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Urban studies project
The goal is to list the projects under each of the headings appropriate to the project, on the hope that people who are interested in a particular heading are most likely to look there. Which "heading" would you like to see the Urban studies project prime listing be under? That is the one which will not have the "please look here" line, but will actaully list any departments, portals, etc. Please let me know and I can make the appropriate changes. Alternately, you could do so yourself, but, given the complexity of the directory, you might prefer it if I did so. Having created the bloody thing, I know quite well how easy it is to screw it up. You really don't want to know how many times I have done so already. :) B2T2 16:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re vandlism
Hi Mcginnly! I am sure it would've been you if it wasn't me! It's a wonderful article and it would be a pity to not control the sneaky vandalism. Happy editing! -- 18:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Pierre Rossier
Hi, thanks for the support and kind comments on the Pierre Rossier FAC. Ciao! Pinkville 03:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Architectural visualization
Hi Mcginnly, thanks for dropping me a line. Dictionary definition is not a criteria for speedy for deletion. But I haven't speedied the article, I prodded it. Prod allows just about any good faith argument you'd use in an AfD to be used and, if uncontested, the article is deleted after 5 days or so. But anyone can remove the tag for any reason, if they do the article is not deleted. That's why I thought I'd announce on the architecture project page, since it seemed like the best place to reach people with reason to keep the article. If anyone there thinks it should be kept that's good enough for me, I'm won't follow up with an AfD. --Siobhan Hansa 15:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll add it there too. --Siobhan Hansa 15:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, long time no see. --159.101.23.168 14:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: St Nicholas Cathedral Of Cyprus



 * Of course my friend ,if your interested in cathedrals and churches and architecture in cyprus ,more and more coming, my camera and my info are ready for improving such article please keep me in touch we can always discuss thank you very much.


 * --Jhabib 23:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Joining
How to join the project Thanks


 * Jhabib 10:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:thanks
You are very welcome. I noticed the arch project banner is missing categories and assessment features. Do you have plans to add them? -- Ganeshk  ( talk ) 20:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Noticeboard
If you want to keep that noticeboard afloat, with an everyday supply of new announcements, we should post a standard message about this board to the talk page of each editor who creates articles about buildings and architects on a regular basis. The message may contain a mild advice to add the noticeboard to their watchlist. Best, Ghirla  -трёп-  12:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Architecture of Ancient Sri Lanka
I found out that the article above has been chose for the WikiProject Architecture Improvement Drive, I have added the underconstruction tempolate on top of the article. However, the article does need images and more information. There are citations missing on it, unfortunately I do not know much about the Architecture of Ancient Sri Lanka. I looked for some references and sources on the internet but I could not find a sutiable and reliable source to back up the article. I also noyiced that not many people are improving the article, therefore can you ask the members of the project to help to improve the article.

P.S. Last month's article Islamic architecture could be now a candidate for a featured article status but I need the support of you and the members.

Thanks!!

Abdullah Geelah 09:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey there
Architecture star

The Architecture star may be awarded for distinguished efforts in Architecture-related articles. This barnstar is intended for those who advance Wikipedia's coverage of Architecture.

See Architecture or Architecture Project for more information. A list of recipients is also at Architecture.

This award was introduced by the WikiProject Architecture on 14 November 2006.


 * I think the template needs to be fixed ... --evrik (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I copied it from scouting - what needs to be done? --Mcginnly | Natter 20:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

re:Your request on Wikiproject architecture
I left a reply to your request on the project page - do you have a photograph of the interior of the mosque's dome and vaults - it will be easier to say what type of vault it is then. Also, if you create any other architecture articles, you might consider adding them to Portal:Architecture/New article announcements. Cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mcginnly, unfortunately i don't have any other photos. I've taken it in my home town, whenever i go there i will take interior parts photos:) I like taking architectural photos and writing about them but sometimes it's difficult to find exact terms in English. I've written a few articles, in 1-2 months. Can i add them to new article announcements. Thanks again for your interest. --Ugur Basak 13:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Mcginnly, i've found a few photos and also added the link to project's talk page. Cheers --Ugur Basak 13:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Vault merger proposal
could you explain your thinking on this merger? do you really wish to obliterate the article Barrel vault? to indicate the importance of Barrel vault as a topic, there are over 60 incoming links to that article. Just by the measure of links alone, Barrel vault certainly should have its own article and is destined to have significant expansion. Anyone interested in medieval architecture should have a strong interest in preserving this article. there is no reason that you cant borrow from Barrel vault to expand vault if you wish. puzzled Anlace 18:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * your compromise proposal is acceptable regarding barrel vault. i assume to be in good faith your doubling measurement is based upon the stub version of the article when you installed the merger tag? Anlace 21:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You might want to review Vault sub-types in architecture before deciding what to do. -- Jreferee 00:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

translation question
Out of my depth here. You should ask a native German speaker what it would mean in this context. - Jmabel | Talk 19:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Palais Strousberg
Looks good, a few thoughts: DVD+ R/W 00:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In the lead - splendour, grandiosity, refined luxury, and opulence seem like peacock terms though they are not listed there.
 * Maybe merge the sections "Use as the British Embassy" and "Fate of the Palais" or differentiate them further.
 * You also only need to link an article once, when the name first appears in the text.
 * That lead sentence could be put in quotes, even if it was written in German(?), but agree with the large number of unqualified adjectives. Otherwise the article is destined for FA status, very interesting. P.S. Still traveling to London soon? — 03:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand this reversion, specifically this sentence: "Some details of the exterior such as the Baroque balustrade and the rich decoration of the interior, were borrowed from many other architectural styles, single the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism." I think that either the number of commas is wrong, or a conjunction needs to be added. We have:
 * Some details of the exterior
 * such as the Baroque balustrade
 * and the rich decoration of the interior
 * [comma]
 * were borrowed from many other architectural styles
 * [comma]
 * single the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism.

Taking out some of the detail, this reads as:
 * Some details, were borrowed, single the palace out.

Surely this should be one of the following instead?
 * Some details were borrowed, and single the palace out.
 * Some details were borrowed, singling the palace out.
 * Some details were borrowed. They single the palace out.

—Serein 21:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, the page has undergone a load of changes today which I'll look at tomorrow - ":Some details were borrowed, and single the palace out." looks favourite to me. Cheers.--Mcginnly | Natter 21:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Good luck making sense of the page history tomorrow. :) —Serein 21:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Germanic thoughts from Giano
We had an edit conflict a few minutes ago, I think I have incorporated your changes.

Well since you asked!!! - It is good - very good - but it is still very Germanic and a little laborious to read. Also many people know a lot less about architecture than you do and find the subject less thrilling - so will be less interested to start with, so it needs to be quicker and punchier to keep their attention span.

It needs be clearer. I suggest in the interior description using the room key numbers within the text so the reader can follow where he is going, then you can cut some of the text. The place is demolished people do not need a step by step account of how to find their way around.

It is also a little verbose, for example you don't need to mention the stables are for horses, they are not likely to be for the family hamsters are they? There is quite a bit like that. Images need to be swapped about I would put this one in the lead Image:Palais Strousberg - Facade.jpg and save Image:Berlin Palais Strousberg.jpg for when you are banging on about the portico and the windows etc. Regarding the relief of the portico, if you don't know the answer don't beg the question, just say classical figures and leave it there. Otherwise every idiot that edits will stick in their own theory about who they represent.

The lead needs to be a little longer followed by info on builder and architect. Then a complete architectural section describing exterior and its ethos  I would like to see all the architecture and construction information together  at the moment it seems to be scattered all over the article. Then interior using the plan far more than at present - that is why it is there after all. Then having completed all palais info. Give some social history in one section only i.e. happened to the Strassbourgs and "Use as the British Embassy" finally last of all  "Fate of the Palais".

The following statements I would question if it were on FAC


 * "and mark the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism." will anyone not highly educated understand what that means?


 * "and bathrooms, which were unheard-of in the domestic architecture of Berlin" - Is this true?


 * "Porticos in the 1860s were an unusual motif in Berlin" - were they?


 * "partially grilled windows to the basement extended under the road level" - does this mean a semi-basement with windows in grated pits?


 * "reception rooms on the ground floor " The plan does not show any reception rooms on the ground floor. The images and plans show the reception rooms were raised above the ground.


 * "and so the face of the building could be kept close to the back of the footpath" - what does this mean?


 * "In addition to the wine cellar, the boiler for the hot water heating was favourably located for both goods deliveries and the entrance to the servant's quarters" why is this favourable?

Well that's my opinion - no offence if you don't agree Giano 10:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think also when refering to the architecture I would be tempted to mention Empire not the best page to link to, but the genre may be useful, and this one Greek Revival as the building is not Neoclassical in the strictest sense of the word, as you say in the article. Regards Giano 10:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Vaults
Barrel vault looks way better to me than any of the others. Mostly because of the botched move at vault (architecture). I think the best course would be to improve the various articles along the lines of barrel vault, and avoid list making and renaming. DVD+ R/W 00:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know?
On the front page already, Congratulations. :-) Giano 07:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm well as a DYK anyway...... cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. Excellent work. Biruitorul 09:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's more relaxing to just leave the page alone and sort it oout tomorrow! Giano 12:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And there was me thinking my carefully crafted edit summary completely masked my irritation..........time to think again about that professional poker career. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I hadn't realised that was "carefully crafetd" I find it best to leave people in no doubt whatsoever, it saves a lot agrivation laterGiano 12:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmph!
Well that's you put in your place! :-D.....Giano 12:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Re User 193.63.62.188
You're welcome Mcginnly. -- Szvest  Ω Wiki Me Up ®  14:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

IG Farben Building
(I answered your request on my talk page). I am planning to display this article on Portal:Germany as the December article. If you have a comment which image will look best in the Selected article box on the portal, please comment at Portal talk:Germany. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 14:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Constructivism
Hello, ta very much for the extra editing on the Constructivism page. Was thinking of expanding the individual architects' pages and adding some colour pictures from the Moscow State Architectural Museum- the seem to be OK with it as long as they're cited, but am wondering what the copyright issues are... Owenhatherley 18:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Vault
Hi, Mcginnly - sorry to take so long getting back to you - busy holiday here. That's quite a dilemma. In theory, my answer would be that I would object to one source, but in practice, I know of review articles on Tourette syndrome that completely and thoroughly serve the topic, and from which I could write a comprehenseve referenced accurate article. So, in practice, it's possible that one source could do the trick. I guess one reservation in this case would be that the Britannica article is so old, and I'd want to be assured it's still comprehensive, and that it covers any contempary controversies or changes in thinking. Perhaps there are two things you could do: get the endorsement of a number of editors from WikiProject Architecture before you approach FAC, and try to complement the article with some other sources - surely you can find something else to add from some other sources, or other editors may object ? Best, Sandy (Talk) 14:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Vault (architecture)
I see you've put a lot of work into this article, but I think quite some amount of content could use transfer to the subarticles (especially the almost inexistent rib vault), who are that developed, if only to check that the entire this consistent with itself (see also WP:SUMMARY). Circeus 22:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in it's infancy - the 1911 source all needs checking and I'd rather get the main article up to scratch first - you'll notice on the talk page I originally suggested merging most of the sub articles into the main article but the consensus was to maintain them. Please let me finish the article first before cutting and pasting into other articles - It's my contention that the main vault article will have sufficient depth to be considered for FAC - what others prefer to do with the content later regarding the sub articles is up to them - but it makes sense to have a good main article first - if it get unwieldy (and it's about the right length now IMHO) we'll fork it. Whay are your plans for Category:architecture? --Mcginnly | Natter 23:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * re:category:Architecture, it,s just one of those cats where nothing and everything gets dumped, so it's mostly moving many articles in their proper subcategories (e.g. Atrium (architecture) to category:Architectural elements and Architecture of the Teutonic Order[uh? Why was this allowed to even survive??] to category:Architectural history). Circeus 23:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh! sorry I thought you were talking about deleting the root category, that's fine by everyone I'm sure. I hadn't noticed the teutonic order article - I've left a jee-up message on the talk to get some content added --Mcginnly | Natter 23:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

British Embassy in Berlin
Hi McGinnly, thanks for your comments and clarifications on my talk page regarding your recent edits on British Embassy in Berlin. - Even after the German spelling reform Straße should be spelled with ß instead of ss, because Straße is actually pronounced with a long vowel a (see de:Straße). Although the spelling with a double-s is incorrect, you could easily find examples of the “strasse” spelling in German texts. People tend to think that the "ß" was abandoned altogether in the spelling reform, but that’s just sloppiness in my point of view. – In my opinion it should be a matter of respect for other languages and cultures, to try to preserve the "native" spelling as closely as possible. Cheers and take care, MikeZ 20:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI - Ashgrovian is an AfD
Hi - I noticed that the article Ashgrovian is up for deletion, and after clicking around a bit, wonder if you'd be able to help suggest what should be done about it. It appears to have been created by an architecture student in Austrailia. I've made a couple suggestions in the article's AfD arena, but bet your words would carry more weight. Thanks for your consideration! Regards, --Keesiewonder 11:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure about that, but I've made a few comments. --Mcginnly | Natter 13:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thanks for your efforts. I think between you and me and some others we can turn this AfD around! Keesiewonder 14:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Greek Revival architecture‎
I've just had a marvellous idea! Why don't you raise this to FA standard, it would compliment Palais Thingy really well, wouldn't it? Giano 19:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Your German question
A native German speaker just weighed in on a translation question you had a couple of weeks ago. See User_talk:Jmabel. - Jmabel | Talk 16:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Expressionist architecture
''He DVD, I notice we've both revived editing the Expressionist architecture article, prior to it's impending GA review. I've archived the talk BTW, because most of it was used as a scratch sheet for translations etc. - hope that's ok. I'd like some discussion about the article though if you wouldn't mind, because there's still a few fundamental things that I think we disagreed on at the time and I'd like to us reach some sort of agreement on. I've started a thread at Talk:Expressionist architecture. Cheers --Mcginnly | Natter 16:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)''


 * Mcginnly, I think you are asking about whether Gaudi made expressionist architecture, I see it as common knowledge, here are some quick examples of other peoples deductions:

Shannon Ricketts, Leslie Maitland, Jacqueline Hucker. A Guide to Canadian Architectural Styles. Published 2003 Broadview Press. ISBN 1551115468

p. 211

"This style had its roots in the European Expressionist movement of the early twentieth century. At that time, architects such as Antonio Gaudi, Hans Poelzig, and Eric Mendelsohn were experimenting with the ability of new materials, especially concrete, to produce dramatic and often eccentric structures."

Faia Wertheimer, Lester Wertheimer. Architectural History. Originally published: [S.l.] : Architectural License Seminars, c1985. Published 2004 Kaplan AEC Architecture ISBN 079319380X

p. 117 "This fine example of Expressionist architecture, perhaps even late-blooming Art Nouveau..."
 * Casa Mila

Ernest E. Burden. Illustrated Dictionary of Architecture Published 2002 McGraw-Hill Professional ISBN 0071375295

p. 124 "A northern European style (1903-1925) that did not treat buildings only as purely functional structures, but as sculptural objects in their own right. Works typical of this style were by Antonio Gaudi in Spain, P.W. Jensen Klint in Denmark, and Eric Mendelsohn and Hans Poelzig in Germany."
 * Expressionism

Sufficient? Now that the thread is there, I'll take a look - but I've been up late so probably won't answer 'till tomorrow. While I'm here, what is your opinion of this ? DVD+ R/W 17:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Architecture again
…Hallidie Building? I found a picture for it finally, and need to substantiate the claim about the first curtain wall.

I Just read an article that gives some credit to a proto curtain wall used for the Paris Exhibition of 1889 which opened at the same time as the Eiffel Tower. This pavilion was the culmination of a long line of buildings that started with The Crystal Palace and copied in New York, Vienna and Philadelphia. "The side walls of glass did not span between the arched girders, but stood outside them, being a precedent for the 20th-century curtain walling."

Do you think it would be helpful to enroll in the system of evaluation that has been used on the WP:NRHP? The existing architecture template could be modified to include this information. Refer to: Category:National Register of Historic Places articles by quality. The regional arch template can be updated with that new one that you found, but maybe only the one particular continent should be inserted in the pages, with a new link to a page with all the "architecture in..." infoboxes? — 06:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What should we do about the featured pictures on the arch. portal? There's also a wealth of pictures fetured on Commons. I'll set up a google news alert to find items to add to architecture in the news —Dogears 19:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

here's another about Gaudi
James M Richards, Nikolaus Pevsner, Dennis Sharp. The Anti-Rationalists and the Rationalists. Architectural Press. Published 2000. ISBN 0750648155

p.75 (Casa Vicens)"The Gaudi building contains the germ of all the later Expressionist developments..."

another about Gaudi. DVD+ R/W 01:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I read it and have no idea where you are going with it. After the "archived discussion - instigated review and requests for comment" I wonder, are you filing a WP:RFC? DVD+ R/W 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Reporting abuse
Have a look here. If this IP builds up a significant history of vandalism, it may be reported, but it's too early right now. -- Gray  Porpoise Your wish is my command! 00:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to contact someone personally, you might be able to find a school staff member that you can email: http://www.csus.com/page.cfm?p=1058 -- Gray  Porpoise Your wish is my command! 00:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's have a drink
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ganymead (talk • contribs) 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC). By the way, I responded to your comment on my talk page. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 04:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your input is requested
Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Expressionist architecture
If you don't get anyone to assist in reviewing this article by the 11th, feel free to ask me to do so. I am editing a couple of others right now, all I have time for. I know very little about the topic, other than I assume you have Gaudi in there somewhere, and study the literature of the era, so have heard of some of the architects. However, I do read well, and can give you in-depth feedback from the perspective of a general audience reading the article. Let me know, either way, on Monday. KP Botany 16:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Architecture template
Hey, the bulletin looks great. What are your ideas about the importance tag? In general, I found architect articles to be Top-importance, High for notable buildings, Med for any old building, and Low for architectural elements, etc. Comments? Refer also to User_talk:BetacommandBot (template bot discussion) —Dogears 06:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You may want to consider adding an importance=X tag when you edit the Architecture template on the talk pages so the ratings will appear if and when we change the template. If we don't change the template, the tag will be ignored. I'm also considering adding a new "T=class" to te template for all the Timeline lists ("XXXX in architecture") and the related categories, all of which already have the template placed on the talk page. Dogears 14:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Importance assessment added w/o much trouble. There are so many building and structure articles. Do you think articles like the Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur (featured article) should be part of "Architecture"? Any thoughts/edits on the importance criteria recently added to WP:ARCHA would be appreciated. Instead of class=T, do you think all year in architecture timeline articles (lists with captions) and categories:year architecture should be class=NA?


 * P.S. Went to Meetup/NYC and enjoyed meeting 30+ people and listening to their stories. "Uncle Ed" was going on about Wikipedia in 2000 and 2001 when the software was germinating and tasks were done manually. A fifteen-year old administrator and his driver (maybe four admins or more total), Renaissance music seminarian, lawyers, activists, students, entrepreneurs, photographers, newbies and a kind older woman who came in and got seated and left 5 minutes later. One guys wife sat across the room, apparently not happy about the time he spends on Wiki. Do you guys get some time off over the Holidays? London still a vivid memory… —Dogears 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Your note on Islamic architecture
Hi Mcginnly. Thanks for your message regarding my comments about the Islamic architecture page. I must confess, that I am not formally involved in the field; however, I will try to put something together that cohesively articulates that perspective. Regards -- Aylahs (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * PS why did you take your name off the architecture wikiproject?--Mcginnly | Natter 16:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, well I'm still a bit green to wikipedia and sometimes I get overly excited! I had actually begun to add my name to a few wikipedia projects, and on sober reflection decided to remove myself from all of them. I will continue to contribute, but I don't want to spread myself too thin. The next few weeks are going to be busy, but I will reconsider after the holidays. -- Aylahs (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the bulletin - I've moved it to the top of my talk page. -- Aylahs (talk) 16:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Aga Khan Award for Architecture article
Mcginnly, thanks for your assessment of the Aga Khan Award for Architecture article. It still needs work - in particular, the article needs to discuss the outlook of the award and its impact over the past (nearly) 30 years. Any thoughts that you may have on how to improve it would be appreciated. -- Aylahs (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

1959 Chapel
Thanks, it's a pretty amazing building and easy to take good photos of. Dina 18:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Architecture of the Teutonic Order
Hi. I saw the prod you put up. I sort of understand your reasonning but I'm tempted to remove the prod tag, if only because it seems there should be something interesting to say about the whole thing. Can't we write a few stub-lines and place an expansion tag instead? Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 04:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Germany
Great, thanks a lot for your help. About Mozart, I did not really choose to put him in there but I think the idea is that German culture is not entirely German-specific and when speaking about German culture pre-1871 is always tricky for that reason. I suppose Austrians might take offense! By the way, if you're feeling more ambitious, I noticed that there's no article like Architecture of Germany. I don't know enough about architecture to write it so I won't try but I'm a big fan of the work of the Architecture Project which constantly produces high quality articles (I guess being used to building things is a good skill to have on Wikipedia). Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 17:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Mass mailings
When you sent the architecture bulletin, did you use some sort of mass mailing code or did you indivually send it to each list member? I want to do a mass mailing to about 20 persons. TonyTheTiger 15:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:ARCHA
"...What comments on article assessment..."

Well, before I ploughed ahead with the importance I left an in-line question on your talk page that must have got lost in recent changes, as it wasn't at the end of the talk page. I guess I tend to ramble on too (like this) rather than making my question clear. P.S. Where did your "framework for importance criteria for article assessment" page go to? I read it earlier today... Cheers —Dogears (talk • contribs)19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for attention to George Temple-Poole. Generalist not specialist so comments on architectural terms et al would be helpful. Sorry 'bout the ashes. Fred.e 16:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Architectural H/history
Hello!

It's me, also.

Can you please take a look at the longish blurb that I have left on the discussion page of Architectural history?

--Amandajm 00:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment team
So, in order to join the team, do I simply add my name to the short list of participants?

--Amandajm 01:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * yep - and get assessing - I usually start from Category:Unassessed Architecture articles. Happy hunting. --Mcginnly | Natter 09:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sant Feliu de Codines
I am now back in Catalonia, so I have been able to do the article you requested a couple of months ago. Hope this helps. Physchim62 (talk) 11:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Spanish architecture of the 20th century
Hello, Mcginnly, thank you for your good contributions to Spanish architecture. I have completed it a bit, with my horrible English. About buildings under Franco, there were some good architects, mainly in the last decades of the dictatorship, but also before:

Luis Gutiérrez Soto: He built hundreds and hundreds of good architecture. Here you have some in Madrid.  Alejandro de la Sota: Pioneer in prefabrication and of fuctional aesthetic in Spain. Luis Moya Blanco: Although he used historical styles to "dress" some of his work, he used the construction of brik vaults to create new risky shapes: Thank you again, and see you soon!--Garcilaso 12:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
How's your holiday season going? Hope you enjoy the time off work and many good cheers to you both.

We can start promoting any of the B-class articles for pier review. Rather more like (Project) people selecting an article they feel like shepherding through the process from B→GA→FA. Is this something to add to the project page? On another topic, do you think many of the 830 internationally important World Heritage Sites are best as Top or High importance? What's your criteria when doing an assay? —Dogears 01:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this something to add to the project page - do you mean WP:WPARCH - yes sounds good.
 * I think all of the cultural World Heritage Sites should be TOP importance. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

When editing for usage...
... please try to improve the articles rather than inserting archaic Britishisms that are deprecated even in UK style guides. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.173.211.190 (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Maggie's Centre, Kirkcaldy
hi, yes I have a few other ok images of it, none of the interior though. I was going to put them on Flickr eventually anyway, but if you need some sooner I can upload them to the Commons first. --duncan 16:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Da Vinci Code?
Wasn't that filmed in a different chateau? :-) I've replied in more detail on my talk page. Thanks. Carcharoth 02:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I took so long to write that reply that you had already replied. I think I've got the two chateau Grimaldis clear in my mind now. Would you have time to have another look? Carcharoth 02:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the star!
Thanks for the star! I never know how much anyone notices. WIll keep plugging away.Brosi 19:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Parliament Building
That's no problem, no need to apologise. Thanks again Globaltraveller 14:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's now a Featured Article. Thanks once again, for all your hard work on it. Globaltraveller 22:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Snagging
Not shagging, but translated as punch list in the colonies. What do you think of the distribution of architecture ratings? Any conflicts? Have a good weekend! Dogears 19:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The colonies! how quant :-) actually I've just watched a really interesting programme on the Anglo-US war loan. Apparently in 1946, on the brink of bankruptcy the UK borrowed 4 billion pounds from the US government as a 50 year loan, the repayment terms weren't bad by domestic mortgage standards, only 2%, but the small print conditions were devastating. Essentially the US made its play there and then against the economic hold of the british empire, the pound was to be floated freely by 1948, causing the near collapse of the bank of england and rationing until the end of the 50's. Initially the senate wasn't too keen on the idea either, but after a visit by Churchill who calmed nerves about the Atlee socialist government, and the rise of the soviet block, keeping the Brits sweet as a buffer against communism, softened hearts and loosened the purse strings. It seems the last of the repayments were made last year.
 * Portal mock-up looks good. --Mcginnly | Natter 02:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Portal Rotation
Nice Featured Picture for January 6th! Really like the idea of automatic rotation, creating 366 days of content that can be automatically transcluded into the Portal - like the example on WP:FPCAN, I like the quote that gets rotated every ten minutes on Portal:Vancouver, and the Main page uses another system to log and transclude content. Definately want to use image and content rotation with one of these systems. Dogears 18:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the content page and the transclusion statement on the Main Page for selected anniversaries. We could adapt it for the featured articles, etc. etc.
 * Selected anniversaries/July 29
 * For example: Portal:Architecture/Seletcted article/2007-3
 * For example: Portal:Architecture/Seletcted article/2007-3

Maybe we can rotate the quotes and photographs using the (very complicated looking) system they have at Portal:Vancouver P.S. Great idea about dividing the Selected Pictures into sub-groups. Regards, Dogears (talk • contribs) 00:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Featured portal candidates
I think three weeks from the date of nomination is probably a good benchmark. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 04:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Architecture template
Hello. Why are you removing the regional architecture template? Merbabu 12:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree the current solution is in fact worse than the regional architecture template which at least provided a navigatable overview of different architecturla traditions. Maunus 13:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, there was a discussion at Template_talk:Regional-arch - most of the entries to regional architecture are replicated in the Architecture of (continent) template or Template:Architecture of the world - also, templates that span 100% of the page width are more easily incorporated into a variety of page layouts than the vertical aligned style templates - think about how the template might grow - if we have an entry for all of the regions of all of the countries - stacked vertically - the page would be enormous. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the graphical layout of the template is better but I find the actual content and usefulness much more important and having a nice template that isn't useful is a mere waste of article space whereas a huge and ugly but useful template at least has a justification. You could have simply fit the previous template into a vertical open/close design.Maunus 13:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll cross post this to the template talk page and respond there. --Mcginnly | Natter 13:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Parliament Buidling
Responded on my talk. Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Beaumont House
Thanks for the rating. By any chance, other than the normal things (expand with more info, get another picture etc.), was there anything that stood out to you that I could improve/fix/do better in the futute? Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 11:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Architecture
Good on ya for the Featured Portal. Man, it's really working well now with the auto-rotation. I just got screamed at by the boss man (who resides in fricking Hawaii 9 months out of the year). So thanks for the praise about Timeline of architectural styles (western), which brightened the day considerably. --Dogears 18:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Spokes folk
Thank you for your kind words on my talk page. I think Giano has ceased to care whether or not he is liked, but I think that has occurred because of extreme duress. It's true that he can be, as Bishonen said, "fiery" and always had that capability, and it's also true that he has been more willing to tiptoe to the line's limit than others, but I feel that he has gone from "carefully and wittily avoiding an insult" to "shocking honesty" because of how many rocks he's had to dodge. One of the turning points, it seems to me, was not even the Carnildo renewal, but the Eternal Equinox arbitration. That thing was weirder than weird.

Bishonen likes to remind me that, no matter what you do, the turnover at Wikipedia is such and the growth is such that most people have never heard of you. It simply doesn't matter how you behave: most people don't know you from Adam's off ox. Objectively, we all know this is true, but, I think, emotionally, we have trouble with it. We get collections of Wikipedia friends and associates -- people who know us and edit with us and say nice things to us. We get recognition from the wider community -- RFA, a kind word or two on AN or AN/I or XfD. We get a bit more here and there -- head of WikiProject for X. Then we get into a position where we need to be trusted or heard or understood, and we see hundreds saying, "Who the hell are you?" That can be jarring. It can be jarring for me, for Giano, and for Tony Sidaway.

(Two dachshunds met on the pier in New York City. Another walks by, head in the air.  They greet him.  He sniffs and says that he doesn't speak to riff raff.  The offended dachshunds say, "Look, buddy, you're a dachshund, same as us."  The snobbish one says, "Yes, but in the Old Country I was a Great Dane!"

Often, people find themselves wanting to shout, "Yes, but in my project/group, I'm a Great Dane.")

On that arbitration, Fred Brauder suggested banning for a month for Giano for telling EE -- who claimed to be heading to Japan -- to "try the blowfish. I hear it's delicious." Someone said that was a death threat, and Fred proposed a sanction on that basis. Telling someone to try fugu is a death threat? It was a taunt, but it was hardly a threat. This was an arbitrator showing, I thought, horrible judgment, and then Charles Matthews concurred with Fred's suggestion. It lost, of course, because others did not read it the way those two did, but Giano was incensed. I was, too. I think it was getting hard for him to believe "Well, that's just Fred misreading things." It was hard for me to believe it, too, but I tried very hard.

I can't blame Giano for thinking it was impossible to win by playing by the rules. I can't blame him for thinking that there is no point in being polite, if people were going to make up their minds ahead of time. I can't blame him for thinking that no amount of hard work writing articles would be acknowledged, much less honored, or earn someone the benefit of the doubt. It was in that atmosphere that the Carnildo RFA #4 came up. That got hot, but then when Carnildo won, it would drive anyone crazy, would infuriate anyone. Imagine, then, when Tony Sidaway went to block on the basis of disagreeing with him!

My point is that Giano has no reason to be pleasant. I wish things were otherwise, but I think he'd agree that he's not a good spokesman for the plaintiffs here. He should be. He is worth being the spokesman, but he has been pushed and stung and insulted so much and so often that he couldn't have kept his calm without being instantly canonized. Geogre 18:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Halo's RfA


RfA questions
First of all, don't post whereever you want to on my RfA. There are specific spots, such as my RfA talk page. Anyway... You said you would provide specifics, yet you failed to do so. I assumed you were talking a negatively-associated sockpuppet (seriously, who would ask about a unharming sockpuppet?), not the sockpuppets that certain people like AmiDaniel have. If you make a comment such as "Wikipedia sucks" on an article page, I would be considered vandalism, specifically "Attention-seeking vandalism". You even said this stuff was ambiguous, and it's open for interpretation.

AND I AM NOT A GIRL! Although my gender has been established as male, but you may not have seen it anywhere, you could have at least said "he/she" instead of an outright "she". -- Nish kid 64 18:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Apologies I don't know where I got that idea from - I'll change it immediately. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess it was an honest mistake, but I really would have appreciated if you had provided me with a better-worded and more-specific question. -- Nish kid 64 18:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid others seem to have managed ok without any elaboration. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not arguing this. I'm just adding my two cents to explain my reasoning and such. If you oppose me, that's okay. Nobody is perfect, and I can sure learn from the people who have opposed my RfA. By saying that others have managed ok without any elaboration, you are making a generalization. I did not particularly understand your question, and I even stated that I wasn't totally sure what you were asking. Are you implying something just because I wasn't able to understand something? I find your comment to be very offensive. Also, I was "instructing" you to post your comments on the RfA talk page, as they don't really belong under a support vote. Now, how is that such a bad thing? In fact, it's being helpful. After looking over my first comments, I realized I wasn't the nicest of people in my comments on your talk page, and I apologize for that. I know you were trying to be constructive, and I guess I took it the wrong way (with all the gender-ambiguity business). I just want to let you know that this is an anomaly in my behavior, and this is the first time that I have ever been a tadbit unfriendly to other users. Sorry. -- Nish kid 64 19:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

re: Image:melnikov pavilion.jpg
This image was speedy deleted purely because it was a recently uploaded file that did not really have specific information on its source i.e. where exactly did the uploader get a copy of the image from. As for, to my knowledge, it is still under discussion and nothing has been decided yet. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Which means that if you can help find the exact source of the image, you can essentially re-upload it back on to Wikipedia. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably a post on WP:DRV because I also have some concerns. The problem is that not only the "A Copp" issue, but Owen Hatherley may have gotten it from a different source that may have said something different than "A Copp". As I recall, the image Owen Hatherley uploaded, and that I deleted, appears to have been scanned from a book or a magazine, but you cannot tell exactly where. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, they deleted PD-Soviet on the Commons. See here for details . DVD+ R/W 20:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sh*te! - I take it that will include too? 8-( Mcginnly | Natter 20:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The deletion hasn't spread over here (to en:) yet, and I hope it won't. And maybe they'll start a DRV at the Commons to look into this, which seems to me like the sensible thing to do. People are scrambling (valiantly) to retag everything there and it is just creating a mess. DVD+ R/W 20:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that I missed something important, and finally found the rulings. I still think they should have a DRV though. DVD+ R/W 20:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Your library
Do you have a copy of Peter Cook and Rosie Llewellyn-Jones. New Spirit in Architecture. New York: Rizzoli International, 1991. ISBN 0-8478-1263-4. NA680.C65. or The New Paradigm in Architecture: The Language of Postmodernism by Charles Jencks? I just got some help on an article I started, Zvi Hecker translating between wikis and need more help with ref'd material. I think he is discussed in both of these but I don't have copies. I'd understand if you don't have 'em but they seem to me like things you might have. The only book I have on this architect is all in he: and I can't read it so well but it has great pics. Thanks for doing all that re-templating by the way. DVD+ R/W 21:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid not - I've got "What is Postmodernism?" by jencks in erm late 80's I think - I'll go and have a look. Just a tick. --Mcginnly | Natter 21:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've responded on the articles talk page and your talk page. --Mcginnly | Natter 22:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll look into buying a copy of Curl's, it looks good and is cheap. Thank you very much, DVD+ R/W 22:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Giano
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm|(talk) 22:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:My RfA
Although I totally interpreted your sockpuppetry question differently than you had intended, I have nonetheless reviewed the contents of WP:SOCK, and I am willing to state what I would do in general if a user creates a sockpuppet account.

I know that if my RfA is successful, and I become administrator, I do not want to have any conflicts with other users, such as yourself. I want to end any strife between us as soon as possible. I know my comments earlier on your talk page were out of line, and I again apologize for this.

Here is my revised answer to your question:

c) Would you block a sock puppet as soon as it is discovered the user has another account?

A: Not automatically. After acknowledging that the user did indeed create a sockpuppet, I would review the user's contributions and see if the main user has been using his sockpuppet for forbidden purposes such as for voting purposes (where they would accumulate multiple votes), getting around Wikipedia policy, or trying to use the main account and the sockpuppet for "good hand, bad hand" accounts. As stated in WP:SOCK, there are legitimate reasons for using sockpuppets such as using it as a doppelganger account or bot account, and I will contact the main account user and ask them for a reason for using a sockpuppet account.If I am in a conflict, I will resort going to WP:RFCU and get the case checked out by other users on Wikipedia. I know personally that while this is a very open and subjective policy, I will try my best to judge it accordingly and appropriately.

If you would like revised answers to questions regarding WP:CIVIL and WP:BLOCK, I will gladly make an effort to re-address them on your talk page.

Thanks. -- Nish kid 64 22:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There's really no need to worry about strife - I feel none and I hope you don't either- I simply disagree about your suitablity for adminship and am expressing that in the appropriate place - we can agree to differ as gentlemen and let that be that. At least now I'm sure you know the rules concerning blocking, inside and out! --Mcginnly | Natter 22:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting administrator assistance on IRC
I am taking these accusations of lack of process for using IRC quite seriously. Whether IRC should or shouldn't be used: the fact is it is used, and not just by me. Instead of debating whether using IRC is against procedure, I've proposed a procedure for when sysops use IRC to listen to Move Requests, which for now I've put on the village pump (policy) page. Your feedback is welcome: Village_pump_%28policy%29. —Pengo talk · contribs 00:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Pengo - I'll give it some thought and comment when I get a mo. --Mcginnly | Natter 01:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Helpme request
Could someone direct me to a wikiproject or someone who's hot stuff on copyright issues I've got some queries about the PD-soviet tag (as mentioned above). Thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 02:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I would just try Tempate talk:PD-USSR. If anyone knows about it, they're bound to find it there. I dont think there's such a WikiProject. - Che  Nuevara  03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For WikiProjects you might try: Media copyright questions, and the WikiProject Fair Use(that may not be the correct link, search for it). JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks to you both. --Mcginnly | Natter 03:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on W.marsh's re-Rfa
Was your most recent comment at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/W.marsh_2 meant to be addressed to W.marsh rather than wKnight? Newyorkbrad 17:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Mcginnly. Thanks for your feedback in my RfA. I'm glad to say it was finally successful, although I have to admit being uneasy with being made an admin amongst so many opposing voices. I'll be sure to take the points raised on board as an admin, and I'm sure we both learnt something from it all. Cheers :) (no this isn't a copy+paste thankyou message, and i did notice you finally withdrew your oppose vote). Thanks again for your input. —Pengo talk · contribs 13:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Advice
You already sent him WP:CITE, also be sure to give him welcome on his talk, at least so he can find the MOS. Get him to remove all of those bullet points because they are so annoying, probably not for any policy reason but for something to do with style. As far as the Do's and Don'ts go, Wp:not, kind of covers avoiding that under 4. Instruction manuals. (legal, medical, otherwise) the otherwise being here planning. I'm not sure what else to say. Does that help? DVD+ R/W 14:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely great, thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you really want to brush up on policy, I'd spend some time at AfD. My very first edit and article got sent there and it really is no big deal, but it requires patience and consensus. So I spent a lot of time there for a time afterward, reviewing other articles. But you know your way around pretty well already I think. DVD+ R/W 19:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Nishkid64's RfA thanks
Well, good luck - I thought you were particularly disingenuous suggesting that it was you who had calmed the situation during your RfA - Actually I made a conscious decision to stop replying to you as it seemed to escalate the tensions - but there you go - As I said we'll agree to disagree. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

"Fuck" and incivility
Your example. "stupid fuck", would be unequivocally uncivil and a gross personal attack, too. I certainly don't intend to condone such incivility. If I'd ever made a comment like that, it would be wrong. "For fuck's sake" is idiomatic, expressing exasperation and mildly uncivil. --Tony Sidaway 00:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Is "You can fucking whistle" idiomatic then? --Mcginnly | Natter 00:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. --Tony Sidaway 03:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Established user?
What is your definition of an "established user"? Just curious. Moriori 08:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC) Part of the difficulty of the question is the candidates must define it, in order to answer it. --Mcginnly | Natter 09:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Featured picture promotion!
Please note that I moved your original file Image:DSCN4071.JPG to Commons and gave it a better file name. Regards,  howch e  ng   {chat} 18:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. Would you mind moving your Queen's House images on Commons to Category:Queen's House? Thanks.  howch e  ng   {chat} 18:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

You're back
Hey, how was your trip? Welcome back. DVD+ R/W 00:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Architecture SA and Architecture SI
Hi, I really need help redesigning these. I think the wording is fine but we really need a new background color and image, because it is too much like this oldafdfull and needs to really be an award. Should we use Tulip Stair for the image? What do you think? You probably noticed this from the nomination talk page, so sorry to bring it here. Regards, DVD+ R/W 16:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that you mention some possibilities, it is dificult to decide! There are so many choices. I wish we could use that "bandit lever" you mentioned before to select randomly from the architectural FP's. We really need to consider this and make sure whatever we pick is also licensed well. Right now, I'm thinking of something from door or window, (see also commons:Category:Doors, commons:Category:Gates, and commons:Category:Windows) with the notion of "portal" as the parameter. How does this sound? To anyone else reading, please help. DVD+ R/W 21:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but do we have a picture? This one seems really elegant to me Image:Sankt Petersburg Winterpalast 2005 e.jpg but I couldn't get a test version to preview in the template. I also like Image:House front door.jpg but it's blurry, or these two Image:El door in tunisia05.JPG, Image:El door in tunisia08.JPG. Honestly there are so many, I couldn't decide on one if I had to. DVD+ R/W 22:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

That PD tag on that one is depriciated and obsolete, the author seems to be still around though and could probably re-license it. I didn't see the Pantheon door image you linked at first, but see it now and like it. There are more Pantheon door pics at Flickr, which I understand can be used here and are often high quality. It would be nice to use one of Wikipedia's own for a template though, I'd still like to use Tulip Stair. Here's a preview:


 * Like the spiral stair image for selected picture (and Category:windows). Doors are a good idea for the selected articles. The images could be rotated manually over time to refresh the template. 90° angle to opening, good contrast, vertical orientation for good cropping. P.S. did you want to continue updating the Portal every third week? Sorry, I didn'y notice until later that I had updated it only three days after you put up the new pages last time. —dogears (talk &bull; contribs) 20:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sample images (minor edits needed):

Architecture of Sweden revision
Hi- I noticed your request on Lectonar's talk page and on your user page regarding the above article, and did some editing of the Middle Ages section. One thing I didn't want to change without running it by you, as it depends on the target audience: "Burgher's houses" is accurate, but since "Burgher" isn't everyday vocab, it might be simpler to put something like "private homes" or "wealthy citizens' homes." Also depending on the nature of the specific "Festung" structures, that word can also mean "fortification." -Eric (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * re: rewrite- Looks good to me. Neither one of us knows the sites, so maybe someone will come along who does and refine it if necessary. I'm just getting started on all this stuff--am I following standard procedure in responding to you here? -Eric (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi again Mcginnly- I put a note on the talk page of the article. Guessing that's a better way to correspond about specific articles. -Eric (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:TulipStair QueensHouse Greenwich.jpg at Quality Images
Your image Image:TulipStair QueensHouse Greenwich.jpg nominated for Quality Image status was reviewed and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Quality images candidates. Pko 18:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Q5
Answered. I hope it's what you asked for, though I am not sure. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Lookity-look
Hey- deconstructivism or დეკონსტრუქტივიზმი, is on the Georgian architecture portal :-) Thought you'd like to know. Regards, DVD+ R/W 19:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Architecture
Hi, when the Bauhuaus was the Architecture article improvement drive on WikiProject Architecture I nominated the above article to improve it. However, no one supported me therefore the De Stijil was approved and it became the monthly improvement article. Then, I started working on the article, I added pictures, information, expanded and sorted it out the article (as the layout of the article was a bit comme ci comme ca). Then, I added it on the Peer Review page. Unfortunately, it still needs a bit more of information and re-sorting because the article has been criticised. So I give the responsibilty and permission of putting it on the Montly Article Improvement on WikiProject Architecture. I WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOU DO!!

Thanks a lot

Abdullah Geelah 14:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Tawker RfA
Hmm. I don't know how the bot's code actually works, but I tried something else and it seems to be working now, at least in the actual toolserver page parse. --Rory096 17:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Just wanted to send a quick note of thanks for your support in my RfA. :-) I really appreciate it! Best, Irongargoyle 03:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Architecture
I was searching through the feature pictures and came upon one of your pics and looked at your page  and since I like architecture and would hope to pursue a career in it I joined the project. Also to help out the articles. Check out my SketchUp architectural models :)

A few things
Hey Mcginnly, I think it is fine to change those templates whenever you want, unless you've heard any objections. Check out the images I've added to these two: Bradbury Building and Ranchos de Taos church, oh, the second one I put the images in a gallery at the Commons for now, until the article is further along so take a look there if you'd like. They are from this place HABS that I'd never heard of until two days ago. Apparently they are public domain, so I am going to try and find some stuff in Chicago next as I pretend to tour the states. Regards, DVD+ R/W 23:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * OOOO-very nice! - I'm preparing to launch into Islamic Architecture at the moment - It's a really interesting subject that I know very little about, but with the most beautiful architecture, Islamic calligraphy has to be the world's most exquisitely beautiful - so the research is fascinating, I was hoping to be collaborating with Abdullah Geelah, but he's gone a bit quiet - I might mail some of the other contributors to the page and see if I can get some help - every mosque seems to have about 5 names - in fact my book keeps mentioning Masjid-i-jami mosques in various places - I've only just found out this means it's a Friday Mosque. ah well, it's a learning process. --Mcginnly | Natter 23:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've noticed. I've skimmed the article a couple of times, but can't think of anything to add, except that, I'd put Image:Great Mosque of Djenné 3.jpg as the main image for that building. That's just what I think though. Why is this the Great Mosque anyway, there is another Great Mosque of Anotherplace in that article too. For some reason, putting Great in the titles sounds puffed up to me. This seems more like religious architecture than regional architecture by the way.  DVD+ R/W 23:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yes it's very geographically diverse - especially now. It's difficult to separate it though from the achitecture of the middle east, north africa, spain and parts of india - it's the common thread - like gothic was to western europe in the middle ages - I'd like to keep it in regional architecture for now (which I've renamed as "Architecture of the World" by the way). I think the "Great" mosque is just a translation thing - it's like the differences between catherals, large town churches and parish churches. I'm sensitive to the potential POV issues this article might encounter and hope we'll be able to sort them out. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I think I found someone who will help write architectural theory, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they will. You never know when someone talented is going to stick around though, take Owenhatherley for example. I'm afraid we smothered him trying to encourage him. DVD+ R/W 00:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And, I just found a bunch of World Heritage sites in Mexico, that are archeological / architecural. They don't have architecture, so I'm adding it. DVD+ R/W 00:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, the nice chaps at Bot requests added the template to all the architect subcats recently - I didn't have the heart to ask them to do all Building and structure subcats straight away - although it's been a month now and perhaps they've recovered. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes that was a good move. Ask Alphachimp again when you need the bot again, he's a good dude, or chap or whatever, so are the other bot ops though. This is how I picture you working on Islamic Architecture. I'm going to pick through more of these World Heritage Sites (the last ones weren't in any architecture cats), looking for buildings, and adding that template manually. DVD+ R/W 01:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)