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Standardizing formats for countries' economy articles
Hi Alex, thank you for showing me User:Mcnabber091/Economy of the United States. I had a chance to talk over your initiative with my lab advisor. I started on Wikipedia for an independent study lab in contemporary media arts, only about a month ago, but he's been an editor here for several years. We both agree that what you are trying to do is important and worthwhile.

However, organizing mostly around tables isn't likely to be received very well. The "Prose" section under Manual of Style/Tables explains the main idea behind the likely resistance to a table-only presentation format. Basically, Wikipedia tries to follow the style and presentation of traditional encyclopedias, but you are designing for an almanac format, which has a nearly identical purpose but a very different style.

Here are some examples of standardized Wikipedia article formats:
 * sports biographies: WikiProject Athletics/Manual of Style/Biographies
 * sports competitions: WikiProject Athletics/Manual of Style/Competitions
 * several outlines for medical articles: Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles
 * places in Canada: Manual of Style/Canada-related articles (there are similar formats for many other countries)
 * musical albums: WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide

I hope this gives you enough to go on. I want to help you if I can, so please let me know your thoughts and keep me up to date on your ideas. EllenCT (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Response to EllenCT

 * Thanks for you advice on how to improve the presentation. I'm glad that you're willing to help. The next step is to recreate User:Mcnabber091/Economy of the United States for all 196 countries. I would be very happy if you were willing to help create new wiki articles for more countries (ex. China, Sweden, United Kingdom, Ethiopia, Monaco, Nauru, Japan, etc.). Partial data is all I'm looking for. Copy/paste from: User:Mcnabber091/Economy of the United StatesMcnabber091 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the tables are necessary for the data being presented. All of the data is in 3 or more columns.There will be sections that are primarily qualitative such as 'History.Mcnabber091 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply on my talk page. Please make sure you feel comfortable demonstrating Tutorial and then let me know Whether you think converting the tabular data you have identified and tabular data as appears on existing articles for countries' economies makes sense for Wikidata. EllenCT (talk) 05:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that this project should be it's own Wikimedia project similar to Wikispecies. This weekend I am going to duplicate the U.S. economic report for other countries. I'll let you know when I have finished the 'Economy of China' draft article.Mcnabber091 (talk) 18:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I saw your edit at 's talk page. Be clear that this page is only a test page and you missed to sign your post! Moreover: your meta proposal is a bit... err... redundant! I believe (with a community consensus) that Wikidata is able to include such information... Regards, mabdul 05:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the editing tips. I responded to your message below.Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Response to Mabdul
I do not believe this project is redundant.

There are many databases in the world. The World Bank has a ton of data. The IMF has a ton of data. Wikidata will be another huge collection of data.

The value added of this project is the specific combination of data presented on a single page. The exact combination of data provided is crucial because it is a very concise way to explain an economy. Economists can help determine the best way to present the information. It's comparable to the periodic table in Chemistry.

This project is specifically aimed to improve public understanding of the economy in a simple format. Wikidata would not address this problem since it's top goal is to be a database for all topics. Wikidata would lack the simplicity due to its expansiveness.

The Wikidata introduction page says, "(Wikidata) will allow easy reuse of that data by Wikimedia projects and third parties, and will enable computers to easily process and “understand” it."

I believe that the projects can be complimentary. The Wikimedia Foundation is a great collection of projects.Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand that we can store the data on Wikidata, then extract it into a table on the English (or any other language) Wikipedia. Anyway, it seems like creating Economy-summary pages would fit into the scope of Wikipedia. πr2 (t • c) 14:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice, check the message at the bottom of the page.Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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I will look into this project. May I please get some more details???--Pollack man34 (talk) 11:03, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Response to Pollackman
Right now I am looking for support on the project. That is the next step is find people who are willing to help out.

Potentially this wiki project could have a separate wiki article for every single city in the world. I have posted the 'country format' online, but there is also a 'state format', 'county format' and 'city format'. The model can also have a standardized format for every company and bank.

This project would have a limited amount of data in order to keep the simplicity of the project. The current 'Economy of ________' pages are not organized and do not present the economic information in an easily understandable way.

The current goal is to create a wiki article for every country according to the model I posted. I think it would be awesome to compare the fiscal budget of the U.S. with Sweden for example. Or look at the employment of Monaco. Or the GDP value added of Ethiopia. I think the results would be very informative.

Any specific details you were looking for?Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Response to PiRSquared17
I do not think this project can go onto the English Wikipedia because the overhaul would be too large. There is already too much information to re-organize on the 'Economy of ________' pages. The re-organization would be messy and tedious.

I think it would make more to start a new Wikimedia project. This would allow for simplicity and the optimal way to present economic information. The periodic table has value because of its simplicity and this project has similar intentions.Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * "the overhaul would be too large" - really? Using WikiData and automatically generating these pages doesn't sound like large "overhaul". Don't forget: Wikidata is a very new project and the development is still ongoing. Such features are still in discussion! mabdul 05:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikidata is a great things for Wikipedia. The articles that are associated with the global economic map would be positively impacted by Wikidata.

Economics request
Unfortunately I have no expertise in economics and it's not my area of interest so I won't be participating in the standardisation effort. James086 Talk 17:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Very cool project. I'll help out where I can.Faedrus2 (talk) 05:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The help I'm looking for people to copy/paste the existing reports onto their sandbox and add in data for a different country. After inserting the new data, people could post their report to the proposals page at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map Mcnabber091 (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I posted something on a comment you left on the economist, but your economic data may be a relevant standard datatype to be added to the wikidata.org project. Then a page (in any language) can import/display the economic data, if appropriate. Tmarthal (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)tmarthal

Global Economic Map
I will be unable to help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Mcnabber091 soliciting help. Thank you.- gadfium 06:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I will stop. Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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I made a few edits on the sandbox already. I will try to help a little here and there. If you need a little help on something just message me.--Pollack man34 (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Mapping the Global Economy
Sure thing - but you'd have to explain exactly what needs doing. Many thanksEugene-elgato (talk) 14:59, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Copy and paste the 'Economy of China' onto your sandbox and replace all of the numbers with data from new country. If you start working on a new country, post a link to your sandbox at the project page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map so other people can help you edit it. Thanks Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Copying 'Economy of France' would actually be easier to copy because it is blank.Mcnabber091 (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Would you be interested to help me on this project? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

I am trying to duplicate this economic report for all 196 countries. Would you be willing to contribute by duplicating this model for another country?

United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/sandbox

Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, while the information being gathered is very interesting, I agree with the other comments at . It would be more useful if this data were integrated into Wikipedia.  Infoboxes with basic stats are very common, as are links to lists and subarticles that focus on a specific feature of an economy.  I think the information is more likely to be found by readers and maintained by editors if it's on Wikipedia instead of some parallel project. -- -- Beland (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * i tried to add my project into the normal Wikipedia but unfortunatly they have been rejected since they are too similar to the 'Economy of ______' articles. The guy who rejected it said my project would be better suited as it's own wikimedia project. Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, unless you're referring to someone else, I didn't mean to say that. I noted that I thought it was appropriate that you contacted WikiProject Economics for advice. EricEnfermero  Howdy! 21:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I was referring to somebody else. I was confusedMcnabber091 (talk) 15:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Where should these articles go?Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * I think this is content more suited for an almanac than an encyclopedia. Joja  lozzo  21:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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I think you're looking for List of Italian regions by GDP (PPP). <b style="color:#f90;font-family:Arial">πr2</b> (<i style="color:#0f3;font-family:Arial">t</i> • <i style="color:#03f;font-family:Arial">c</i>) 02:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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Economic summary drafts
Hi there, I noticed that you have just over 100 economic summary of X drafts like User:Mcnabber091/Economic summary of Australia you created a number of years back. I'm pretty sure every article has a mainspace equivalent (Economy of Australia for a partial example). Have you considered merging the content and listing the drafts for deletion? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi this is all part of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Global_Economic_Map:_About which later became econfactbook.org. Currently I am working with Wikidata to automatically update 'Economy of X' pages. These summary pages can be deleted and I would be okay with that since they are no longer being used. Mcnabber091 (talk) 06:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you mind tagging the ones you don't need with ? Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:59, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm confused what exactly should I do? Type on the talk page?Mcnabber091 (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, type on the draft pages you don't need such as User:Mcnabber091/Economic summary of Australia at the top. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I just delete them myself instead of having to write that message on all of them? Sorry for making so many of these. See the full list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/sandbox/Country_articlesMcnabber091 (talk) 08:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I can do that for you then. No worries about the number. Are you ok with all of them being deleted? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes you can delete all of the country sample articles except for the United States one. The US one has the most complete data and I would like to keep it if that's okay. Thanks for your help. Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Any time. If you want anything restored, you can ask me or make a request at WP:REFUND. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Economic Summary of China concern
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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Economic summary of the United States concern
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Your draft article, Draft:Economic Summary of China


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Your draft article, Draft:Economic summary of the United States


Hello, Mcnabber091. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Economic summary of the United States".

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