User talk:Mehrdadd

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Guney azerbayjanli olmaktan her zaman gurur duymusumdur. Lachin Hatemi (in regards to recent modifications to Haydar Hatemi article)

It is kind of you if you are teasing me
My discussion with GM was a discussion just to find actual accuracy, not a debate to prove my idea. If it is a Turkic word, I do not hesitate to accept it, but I need to study more about this subject, I do not want to talk without any references. Now, I am trying to track this word in Indo-European languages. If this word exists in old Indo-European languages, it supports that it has a Indo-European origin. If not it is a Altaic word. By the way, at the moment I found a word in Sanskrit(old Indian) that seems to be related to word ordu, but I want to make sure about it. But you know that the oldest mention of this word was in Iranian books and I could not find any older reference for his word in Turkic texts. --Behmod 13:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Behmod, I was just amused that how dishonest your so called scholarly discussion is going. I am Iranian too and know Farsi, so seeing the Turk and Turks all over those lines of that peom and seeing how you managed to translate Turk to the beautiful made me smile and shake my head. Please don't tell me the Turk in Farsi vocabulary means beautiful. If you have seen it in any Persian dictionary please let me know.

I am an Azeri and while ago one of Persian users here im Wikipedia asked me how come with a name such as "Mehrdad" I am  taking anti Iranian stance. I explained that i am not anti Iranian, in fact I have both Persian and Turkish background, as it goes for ancestry, but the truth is when i see how group of my own country men, trying to cover the truths and conspire to spread mis information I can't help but to be outraged. I find my Turkish friends are much more brave with Truth and I am only taking the side of the truth. As for the word Ordu, looking at my very average Readers Digest dictionary, under the word horde, it says: 1. A multitude, pack, or swarm, as of people, animals, insects, etc. 2. A tribe or clan of nomadic Mongols. 3. Any nomadic tribe or group. -v.i horded, hording To gather or live in a a horde. [<F<G<Polish horda < Turkish ordu campAkin to Urdu.

The name Urdu as the language in Pakistan is also derived from the same word (Ordu), since this language has been created in the course Turku Mongol rule of Moguls in Indian sub continent. It has Hindustani, Persian, Arabic, and to a lesser extent Turkish influences.

Hope it helps. Mehrdad 15:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear Friend, Please be a patient researcher not an aggressive man. I hope you did not intend to have a sarcastic language.


 * 1- It seems that you have forgotten a basic rule about Persian literature and Sufis language. Look at poems of Hafez and Khajavi Kermani to understand my translation is correct. You may know that in Persian poetry and Sufis language words Wine, Turk, Drunk, Drunken...have special meanings. If you are still insist that my translation is wrong, I can bring some more examples.

حافظ چو ترک غمزه ي ترکان نمي کني

صائب تبريزی: اگر آن ترک شيرازی به دست آرد دل ما را به خال هندويش بخشم سر و دست و تن و پا را

هر آن‌کس چيزی می‌بخشد ز مال خويش می‌بخشد نه چون حافظ که می‌بخشد سمرقند و بخارا را


 * 2- Yes, you are right, many linguists believe that "Horde" has Altaic origin, but it is interesting that they believe "Herd" (and also Herde-Heorde-Kheordu) has has Indo-European origin. But it is very confusing for me because they are very similar and I am trying to hunt the reality. It is my hypothesis that "Herd" or "Horde" have the same origins. But at this moment I can NOT say for sure that I am right and I need more research. See that did not try again to change the name Ordubad.
 * 3- You talked about the Turki Mongols in India sub continent. But remember that their official language were Persian not Turkish.

Good luck, --Behmod 17:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)--Behmod 17:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I send you a link to complete version of Khajoo's poem. Hope you enjoy it. Do not say that in "دو تا پيوسته چون ابروي ترکان" or in  "نظر کن در خم گيسوي  ترکان" "ترکان" do not mean beauty or as you said means warriors ;)--Behmod 18:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Behmod, thanks for the link. You are quite write, in this poem we are dealing with a name Tarkan (تَرکان،also طرخان ). It is a female name and in poems it is used symbolically meaning girls, women. My apologies for getting this wrong and accusing you of being unfair in translation. As you know Tarkan and Torkan when written without the diacritical marks can cause this problem. So تُرکان as the plural for Turk, can be mistaken by the name تَرکان which means beautiful girl or women in this case.

Rumi has used both words in the same line of his poem in Mathnavi, as: کار هر نازک دلی نبود قِتال -- که گریزد از خیالی چون خیال کارِ تُرکانست نه  تَرکان، برو -- جایِ تَرکان هست خانه، خانه شو

Which roughly translate to: The war is not for the faint hearted, and day dreamer, This is for Turks (worriers) and not beautiful women, place of the women is in house.

This name, Tarkan تَرکان is not the plural for “Tark” تَرک as it is an individual name. Interestingly a popular Turkish male singer has adopted this name as his stage name.

Thanks again for your patience with me. Mehrdad 15:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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No problem Mehrdad, This discussion was also useful for me. I also learnt new things.--Behmod 16:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people
Hello. I was wondering if you could help me with the Azeris article. I need pictures of ordinary Azeris to use for the article and I was wondering if you knew of any that could be used without copyright problems. I'm still in the middle of fixing what was a terribly disjointed article and it'll be a while before it's fixed. Anyway, let me know. Thanks. Tombseye 17:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Any advice and info. on Azeris in Iranian cinema? I need to add a little about this topic to the Azeris section on culture. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. Tombseye 19:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Azeri wikiproject
Hello. How can I participate in Azeri wikiproject?--Dr.Hamed 01:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dr.Hamed, My Apologies for delayed response. You can find the goals and introductions to Azeri project at WikiProject_Azeri. The participation in the project can be through the involvements in discussions and improvements of the Azerbaijan related articles. Actually looking at the page, I see you have listed yourself as the participants, and that is a very good start. Thanks for showing interest. Sağolun .Mehrdad 13:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

WTF are you doing?
Tlak: Tajik and Mehrdadd

What is your game? What are you doing? You cannot put statements like 1/3 of the population of Tehran are Azeri without providing proof! Why 1/3 of Tehran is Azeri? Tehran like all other metropolitan cities is a mix of all walk of life in Iran and must be a rational representation of all the population! And that cannot be 1/3!

By the way what does [citation needed] mean? If something is not supported with proof must be deleted till proof is provided! Will it be accepted if I said half the population of Iran is Kurd? Wouldn’t people laugh at us?

Didcuss NOW! Kiumars 15:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Mehrdadd, I already presented my data and the proof that the numbers do not add up!I also have it in spreadsheet format that can send if need be. Ethnologue figures are wrong and they have admitted to it as demonstrated (in the emails) and they are going to change it! They have totally fucked up and nobody (even the fucking academics!) has even checked their figures last 8 years!

You said “relaiable studies by academic and other sources”, you have used two figures one from CIA that says 24% (roughly 16 million) and the other one from Ethnologue that says 24 million and I have proved above that Ethnologue is wrong! So what figures have the Academics provided and where are the figures and reference to them? Just saying roughly one third of Iran is Azeri is not acceptable no matter whom that statement comes from be it Academics or illiterates! We need figures and proofs.

Mehhrdadd as you know this is a very sensitive issue and that is why as you said many people want to have a finger in it but on the wiki we must only follow facts a and figures not guess and rumours.

If people read the page without NPOV and Factual dispute they may think there is no dispute on it and take it for fact! We must keep the signs to let people know that there are disputes on the article!

Kiumars

Regarding the Turkic Theory
Why is no one wanting to discuss that? if no one wants to discuss it, i will eventually take it out, because like i said, its wrong information. i dont know what your personal opinions are, but i would appreciate it if you (and hopefully you can get others) to come and discuss that issue. thanks in advance. like you said in your last edit on the page, lets talk about issue before we take action, that is what i prefer, but if no one talks to me, i have no choice.Iranian Patriot 02:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

When are we going to sort out this mess? What is the next step?
Re: Azerbaijani People (Please discuss before editing) Mehrdadd you keep removing the Factual dispute sign, as you can see from the discussions Ali and me dispute the accuracy of the Ethnologue figures on Iranian Azaris and have provided proofs and analysis on the discussion page. So, what is the next step? When are we going to put the sign up? Meanwhile everyday hundreds if not thousands of people read the article and are made to believe that what they read is fact. Only those who contribute to Wiki know how articles are managed and compiled, majority of the readers believe what is on the page is the final product and a fact. We (well at this stage you actually) are misleading people by not warning them about the fact that there are disputes on the article. Misleading and misrepresentation is a crime in any civil society. When are we going to put the sign up? When are we going to sort out this mess? What is the next step? What is your authority on this article? Kiumars 09:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Siberian" Wikipedia
Hello! Recently, you cast a vote against closure of the "Siberian" Wikipedia, basing it on the supposed existence of the "Siberian language" with millions of speakers. Perhaps the issue was misunderstood. There is no Siberian language or Siberian nation, apart from the native Turkic and other peoples who lived there long before Russian colonists arrived in the 16th century. The matter in question is an artificial "language" created based on several archaic Russian dialects in 2005 by a Mr. Zolotarev and a few of his friends, inclusion of which fairly blatantly violates the No Original Research policy of Wikipedia. Siberian Slavs speak Russian and list themselves on censuses as Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusans - this you can verify for yourself. I invite you to return to participate in the discussion and reconsider your vote, and appreciate constructive debate on the topic. Cossack 00:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı
Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey/archive1. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You were on the participants list
Hi! No intrusion intendend, I did it because I was moving the participants list which was static, to be simply the category, which is dynamic and a much better indication of current members as your message shows! You were on the project participants list, which is why you received the userbox. Old version of the participants' list here. You signed up and forgot about it I guess. --Free smyrnan 07:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The New Central Asia project page
Hi

I revised (a bit radically) the navigation system of the WikiProject Central Asia. The old page was a mess. You are a member of the project, I would appreciate if you would compare with the old page and give a feedback on the talk page. Thanks. cs 22:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Moving Denial of the Armenian Genocide
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Speedy deletion of Cemal Kafadar
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Bot flag for w:az:User:Purbo T at the Azeri Wikipedia
Hi Mehrdad, there is a pending Request for a bot flag in the Azeri Wikipedia. Please have a look at it, and if possible grant a bot flag for w:az:User:Purbo T. Thank you. --Purodha (talk) 13:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Your changes in Takam, Takam-Chi and Saya
Dear Mehrdad, just wish to let you know that I reverted your changes to the above-mentioned three entries. I do believe that we should try to be constructive and let our provincial preferences aside: you will serve Azarbaijan better by writing some original Wikipedia articles about Azarbaijan and the culture of Azarbaijan than by changing Persian into Azarbaijani. You cannot accuse me of bias, as in the past I have contributed to more Azarbaijani subjects on Wikipedia than most of the people I know of &mdash; for instance, the above-mentioned three entries were initiated by me. Moreover, I am not saying, either explicitly or implicitly, that Azari is Farsi. I am against domination of one group in any setting, whether in a workplace or in a country, as I deeply believe in the value of the local languages and traditions of people. My point is that all the languages spoken in Iran are by definition Persian or Iranian. To say otherwise, that Azari were not Persian, is simply discriminatory against people of Azarbaijan. Aside from these generalities and despite the fact that Azari has been influenced by Turkic languages, as Ahmad Kasravi has unequivocally shown (in Azari Yā Zabān-e Bāstān-e Azarbāijān &mdash; which you can download from here: (item 33)), Azari as we know it has its roots in the prevalent language of the ancient Iran. Kasravi gives for instance some rules of thumb by which some Azari words can be transformed into Old Persian words and vice versa; he gives many examples about the ways in which pronunciations of Iranian words changed as one went from North to South and from East to West. The word Āzar is already an Old Persian word! Please note that in my texts I already had explicitly mentioned that the words under discussion are Azari words. With kind regards, --BF 20:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC).

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Jeph Loeb
Hi. We may have a consensus discussion on our hands. Can you offer your opinion on it here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re-categorization of cities, towns and villages in Azerbaijan
Hi -- I noticed that the category for cities towns and villages in Azerbaijan contains more than 5,900 articles. I am considering creating categories for cities towns and villages in each province, and filing the articles under those. This should make the articles easier to find and use. Do you think this is a good idea? I'd like comments from you and any others in the Azerbaijan project before I start working on it. Aelfthrytha (talk) 01:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

ARYA(N)
Hi. Thanks. Can you also add your comments on the Aryan wiki talk page. Thanks.Rajkris (talk) 23:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will add my comments on the Arya talk page in a few days. I will also add my comments and research results in the Aryan talk page as soon as possible. These pages need some corrections, precisions.Rajkris (talk) 18:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes
Please join debateand tell your opinion. This is the actual and very important topic nowadays. We need to keep the info. Thanks in advance... --Shahin Khalilov (talk) 07:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

İdarəçi statusu ilə bağlı
Salam, Mehrdad bəy. Mən Azərbaycandilli Vikipediyanın idarəçisiyəm. Sizin son 2 ildə Az-vikidə fəaliyyət göstərmədiyinizə baxmayaraq İdarəçi statusunuz hələ də qalmaqdadır. İngilis Vikipediyasında aktiv olduğunuzu nəzərə alaraq sizə burada müraciət etmək qərarına gəldim. Az-vikidəki İdarəçi statusunun sizdən alınmasına dair səsvermə keçirmək istəyirik. Buna münasibətinizi bilmək istərdim. Hörmətlə, Wertuose (talk) 10:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Salam Mehrdad. Mümkünsə, Wertuosenin ismarıcına cavab verin. Çünki cavabınızı mən də gözləyirəm. --Cekli829 14:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Invitation for contribution at South Azerbaijani Wikipedia
Hi, Mehrdadd. We will be happy if you can help us at South Azerbaijani Wikipedia. Regards. --Arjanizary (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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