User talk:MelanieN/Archive 16

Frank Page (cartoonist) Deletion
Well, as someone who has watched Frank Page work on 'Bob the Squirrel' for years and then to find that his page was removed for an elitist motive by someone who apparently feels that independent artists aren't important... I can tell you I'll never donate to Wikipedia again.

If this is what my money goes to then forget it. I thought this was supposed to be a record of our world. Not the personal whim of arbitrary editors who have some kind of personal vendetta or maybe just a massive indifference towards people who create art for the rest of us... Either way. Thanks for relieving me of spending another dime on Wikipedia... I thought it was supposed to be bigger than personal opinions. Reverend randomblink - Ask and you shall believe. (talk) 01:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. As someone who cares about this subject, you are in luck! As you can see higher up on this page, another Frank Page fan set up a user page to try to recreate the article and resubmit it. The draft is at User:Paginator/Frank Page (cartoonist). That user never did anything further with it, but you could. All you need to do is expand that draft and add references, so that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion here. The criteria are not arbitrary or somebody's personal whim. They are spelled out clearly at WP:GNG and WP:BIO. The person needs to have been significantly written about or reported on by independent reliable sources. Note that the Rome Sentinel does not count as an independent source, since it employs Frank Page and publishes his cartoon. If you can find significant coverage about him from other sources, and add it to the article, it might become eligible to put back into the encyclopedia. Good luck! --MelanieN (talk) 14:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Melanie. The Rome Sentinel does not employ Frank Page to publish Bob the Squirrel. He is hired as a graphic designer and webmaster. It runs Bob the Squirrel but that is because it is a compelling, interesting, entertaining read that is better than much of the dreck Syndicates offer us. You also should read some of his graphic novels that are penetrating analyses that have been used in K-12 classrooms to relate to students. Your mistake is your lens. You see Wikipedia as a resource for the world. I see it as a resource for our community.

BTW, can we at least get the content from the deleted page to preserve it for posterity? [In the interest of truth in advertising, I am the fifth generation of my family to publish the Rome Sentinel, but I am also author of Individuals, Journalism, and Society.] sbw (talk) 14:14, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, User:Sbwaters. Regarding Your mistake is your lens. You see Wikipedia as a resource for the world. I see it as a resource for our community. Actually that is your mistake. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia - that is, a resource for the world. As such it has to have criteria for what is included here; we can't include everything there is to say about every community. I linked to the inclusion criteria above, in my response to Randomblink. Those criteria apply to everything and everyone, including Frank Page: if you can find significant coverage about him in other publications, and add it to the draft article, it might be restored. As for the content of the article about Frank Page, it was identical to the draft at User:Paginator/Frank Page (cartoonist). --MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

So, you've just made me aware of these guidelines and contributions requirements. I've done work in Wikipedia waaaaaaaaay back in the day, both with and without a username (back when you could just edit a page), and to see that there are standards that are developed and based on logic, I'm already seeing flaws in your logic for excluding Frank Page.

How do we move higher up the food chain? If I feel that you are employing arbitrary personal choices in what appears to be a vaguely worded section of the rules, which I do (and now I can point to actual rules that it would appear aren't being policed and/or worded properly) then how do I get this addressed by someone higher up the food chain? Where do I find the rules at govern data mismanagement by editor?

Or is this conveniently unavailable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomblink (talk • contribs) 22:24, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Randomblink. As I pointed out above, you can "move up the food chain" by improving the draft article so that it meets Wikipedia's criteria. The draft article is available for you to work on, at User:Paginator/Frank Page (cartoonist). As you can see, right now it is not ready for Wikipedia; it is just an unsourced stub. But you can fix that. Just expand the article and add references, and we can consider putting it back in the encyclopedia. When you think you have it in Wikipedia shape, I suggest you ask me or any other administrator (doesn't have to be me) to look at it and let you know if it is improved enough to be given another chance. The guidelines are at WP:GNG and WP:BIO. --MelanieN (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say: If you feel the article shouldn't have been deleted in the first place, you can move "higher up the food chain" by appealing the deletion at Deletion review. --MelanieN (talk) 23:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Cute subject
Holla, I'm back! With a new short article on an exceedingly cute subject, Bei Bei, a bit of copyediting will be of much profit. Could you please copyedit? And if possible we can try to make a DYK of it. Cheers,  Jim  Car  ter  12:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hooray, you are back! Very good news. I'm away from my computer right now but I'll take a look Monday or Tuesday. Off hand I don't see much need for copy editing, you have done a very good job. MelanieN alt (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * P. S. have you checked the length? Does it have enough text for DYK? I don't have the page size tool on my phone. MelanieN alt (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Checked, it's 1,536 words chars. It's enough if the rules haven't changed. What you say?  Jim Car  ter  03:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * P. S. I have another article which needs your help, Wilhelm Boden, possible DYK? Cheers,  Jim Car  ter  16:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I made a few changes and additions to the article, and will start to work on a DYK. Meanwhile, I suggest you add Bei Bei to the article List of giant pandas - both as his own entry and in the entry for his mother. --MelanieN (talk) 22:43, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ You can find it here; Template:Did you know nominations/Bei Bei. I went with a cutesy-mysterious hook, hope you don't mind. --MelanieN (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Added to the list.  Jim Car  ter  03:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

IP-hopping troll appears to be name dropping
Hi MelanieN; One of the IP-hopping trolls at a Maryland University (its Johns Hopkins) appears to be name dropping on your account name to cover-up or justify recent IP-hopping and trolling. There have been multiple blocks and warnings already but none seem to be working so far (who knew there were so many disgruntled students at that university.) I was going to request a range block for 30-days (multiple accounts in the range of this User talk:192.12.13.14), but since your name is the one that the IP-troll is dropping for everyone to see, then I thought you would like to look at it first. MusicAngels (talk) 19:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I will reply on your talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

United States Congress
Republicans should go first because there's more of 'em. No, Democrats should go first because we should do it alphabetically. No, Republicans should go first because we should do it in reverse alphabetical order (never fun to have a last name that is at the end of the alphabet in school). No, Democrats should go first because we need to respect the rights of minorities. Solomonic solution: Republicans go first six months out of the year, and Democrats the other six months. A party bot can enforce this. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL! In this case I thought it was best to stick with "the way we've always done it." But I like your suggestions. We should do all of them. At the same time. 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Jessica Northey page deletion
Greetings, I am looking to find out why the Jessica Northey page was deleted and how I can create it so it will not be marked for deletion. Ccleeton (talk) 19:25, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. The article was deleted by community consensus, for the reasons given here: Articles for deletion/Jessica Northey (2nd nomination). This was actually the fourth time the page was deleted; see the history here. I just took a look at the recently deleted page, and there is really nothing there that meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, which can be found at WP:GNG and WP:BIO. To be accepted for an article here, the subject must have received significant coverage from independent reliable sources. I don't see anything like that in the deleted article. There is a list of "accolades," but none of them are significant prizes as Wikipedia defines it. As someone suggested at the AfD discussion, maybe it's just too soon in her career for her to have a page.
 * In other words it's not something that could be fixed by writing it differently; the subject herself does not qualify no matter how the article is written. If she gains more recognition later, maybe doing more than just curating a hashtag and being a social media presence, you could ask about creating another draft at that time. If you do anything like that, be sure to do it in draft space or user space. Don't just go ahead and create an article in the main encyclopedia, because it would quickly get deleted, per WP:G4 - and the title would probably get locked so that no one could create any more articles about her. Before putting an article back into the encyclopedia, you should check with me or some other administrator, to see if the article is different enough to that it won't get speedy-deleted per G4. Sorry I couldn't be more encouraging. --MelanieN (talk) 22:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I am a newbie
Hi MelanieN, my name is IntelligenceAgent, call me IntelAgent for short. I am not agent, but a new Wikipedia user. I was wondering if you as an administrator had any advice for me? I use to edit Wikipedia long long ago but am now joining again. I am glad to be able to assist with any information that needs improvement. I hope I can be some value to the project. I forget, is there a welcome page for new users? Thanks. IntelligenceAgent (talk) 01:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, IntelligenceAgent, and welcome back. Yes, the place you are looking for is the WP:Teahouse. There are lots of friendly people there, ready to welcome you and answer your questions and point you toward articles that need improvement in areas that interest you. Thanks for wanting to help at Wikipedia! --MelanieN (talk) 04:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi MelanieN - Was wondering if you saw Sockpuppet investigations/CookieMonster755?  Onel 5969  TT me 22:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for calling this to my attention, One. Very interesting! I wonder why in the world he decided to do this? --MelanieN (talk) 17:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No clue why they would. The only reason I found out about it, was that I still had their talk page on my watchlist (never removed it after they "retired"), so when the ban notification went up, I saw it. Went to the SPI, and saw that you were one of the pages he posted as a sock, hence my comment.  Onel 5969  TT me 18:09, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's true I had a fair amount of interaction with him when he was CookieMonster. I didn't make the connection with this "newbie", although maybe I should have. Thanks for letting me know! --MelanieN (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Re: Restoration
Hello Melanie! Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. Yes, it is an article about me, though it was actually written by a close relative with good intentions (which is why I'd like to see it reinstated). As regards my "importance," I can certainly supply links to a few independent interviews and a newspaper article or two, among other things. (Where would it be appropriate to post these? On this page?) I've been working in the industry for 25 years, but have only recently been remarked upon as a filmmaker, though of course I plan on adding to my credits in years to come. Thanks for your assistance! Phasmos (talk) 22:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied at your talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 19:59, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Neo-McCarthyism?
I agree with your revert, of course, it's unsourced and POV, but had wondered where the edit came from. I looked up the Tapper interview. It's interesting, but it would take quite a bit of a synthesis to explain it, which is not allowable. McCarthy clearly is saying the purpose of the Select Committee is to gain information to more effectively move public opinon, rather than to discover facts and to proceed to a judgment, and he does not adequately respond to Tapper's "exercise in futility" question: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1509/29/cg.01.html Activist (talk) 23:46, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What I find interesting, and the article doesn't make it clear (and probably couldn't without WP:UNDUE weight), is that he VOLUNTEERED this comment in response to a general question about what the Republicans had accomplished with their majority. It wasn't a gotcha question or anything, he just came out with it. It may yet have more important consequences, we'll see. --MelanieN (talk) 20:02, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

A matter you dealt with earlier
You recently responded to a complaint by MusicAngels about sockpuppetry and IP-hopping concerning the IP user 192.12.13.14. MusicAngels also complained about this IP user to User:EdJohnston. MusicAngels has now made the same complaint to a third admin:, but with a difference: this time MusicAngels has added a named user account (Poetic1920) to the complaint. I am not Poetic1920. I am someone who been alarmed for a long time by MusicAngels' edits. - 50.74.107.148 (talk) 17:14, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert. I posted a comment at SilkTork's talk page.

Sakit Mammadov page
Hi Melanie,The page I created Sakit Mammadov was deleted because of some unworking links.I need your permition to open this page again.I will remove unworking links and change them new ones. Your sincelery Rashad Aghayev — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resadagha (talk • contribs) 15:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am reluctant to unlock this page. You have created it three times and it has been deleted three times - most recently via a community discussion at Articles for deletion/Sakit Mammadov. In a previous post to a previous deleting administrator, you said "I want to create it again because he is gonna win award and wiki page is needed for this awar.He personally asked me to create page.Please help me." Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. It does not exist to promote people's careers - only to document them, and only if they meet our inclusion criteria such as WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Here is what I suggest: show me, here at my talk page, what links you plan to add to the article. And I will decide if those links are enough to overcome the previous problems with the article. --MelanieN (talk) 16:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

These are some of them If you want I can add new ones.

http://www.azernews.az/culture/62208.html https://www.saatchiart.com/sakitmammadov http://www.today.az/view.php?id=102360 http://www.anthemculture.com/2015/06/03/azerbaijani-artist-awarded-prestigious-malta-award/ http://www.gallerynawei.com/sakit-mammadov/


 * Of these, the saatchiart and gallerynawei links are not acceptable. They are simply galleries that sell his paintings. They are not independent or reliable sources.
 * The other three are at least from news sources, although I personally do not find them convincing. Here is what I will do: I will put the article in your user space and allow you to add these sources. When you move the article to the encyclopedia, I will nominate it for AfD again, giving my reasons. We will let the community decide if the article can stay this time. --MelanieN (talk) 16:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You can find the draft at User:Resadagha/Sakit Mammadov. Be sure to put the references in proper format (both the existing ones and the ones you are adding). They should be cited within the text of the article, as shown at WP:Referencing for beginners. They should be cited where they actually confirm a fact in the article, for example if the reference is about an award, it should be cited at the sentence about the award. Let me know when you are ready to move it to the encyclopedia. I will have to do that for you since the title is locked. MelanieN (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much,Just give me 1 day and will solve all the problems.And add other good links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resadagha (talk • contribs) 17:15, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that you just moved the draft to Wikipedia space, without making any improvements at all. That was a complete violation of the conditions under which I restored it for you. I have deleted that new article (which you moved into the wrong namespace), and I will delete the draft from your userspace. You did not live up to any of the promises you made here, which were to improve the article and add more sources. The decision of the community at Articles for deletion/Sakit Mammadov will stand. The article will remain deleted and salted. Do not ask again to try to restore the article. --MelanieN (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I have started to make this page again with 14 new references,i was adding them but it was suddenly deleted by you.Please send it like an editing page to me i would like to add new links now(!!!) i cut some parts from it which parts' links don't exist.-The last time I was in Germany because of my work in World Rapid chess cup that's why i didn't add new links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resadagha (talk • contribs) 15:37, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The "sources" you were adding were not cited properly (see WP:Referencing for beginners). More important, the new material was simply adding to his list of "medals", none of which meet Wikipedia's criteria as a "a well known or significant award or honor" - and some of which look actually phony based on my research.
 * I warned you, above, not to try to restore this article, because you did not live up to your promises when I restored it for you. You went ahead and recreated it anyhow. You have created it FIVE TIMES now. It has been deleted four times, as a copyright violation and as not meeting Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion. I am warning you now: do not attempt again to add an article to the encyclopedia about this man, unless you first show it to me, or to some other administrator who knows the history. If you add it one more time without first getting clearance from an administrator, you could be blocked from editing, for repeated creation of an inappropriate page. --MelanieN (talk) 18:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

SO what should i do now?Can you give me some directions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resadagha (talk • contribs) 09:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What you should do now, is stop trying to create an article about this man. He does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for an article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Hope for change?
Is there any hope that MusicAngels might someday be blocked? Every day, they get more disruptive, rude and bossy. Every page they touch erupts into an edit war. When an admin tells them to stop doing something, they ignore the warning and do it again. They keep seeking revenge long after anything happens that offends them. It takes endless effort to undo their damage, and no sensible editor wants to get in their way. And they keep saying things that are not true, which is not a desirable quality in an editor.

Today they are back pursuing the "IP-hopping troll" on User:SilkTork's user page, even after SilkTork made clear that they should stop, and they are citing evidence from User:Drmies even after Drmies clearly explained that the "evidence" does not mean what MusicAngels keeps saying it means. Nothing can stop them - every warning is ignored, every correction is ignored.

And now they are still beating the dead horse of their deleted poetry pages at User_talk:Fuhghettaboutit. Those pages had no reason to exist and were deleted with the agreement of six admins, but MusicAngels continues to waste people's time by shopping around for someone who will bring the pages back.

As far as I can tell, MusicAngels has been warned or rebuked by these admins, possibly more:

User:EdJohnston User:Drmies User:Bgwhite User:Dennis Brown User:Nyttend User:MusikAnimal User:Randykitty User:Sandstein User:SilkTork

Is there any hope that we can get back to the real work of Wikipedia instead of cleaning up after MusicAngels or avoiding editing in order to escape revenge? As long as there are editors who hold back because they know they will have to deal with MusicAngels' reactions, Wikipedia is losing the benefit of those editors' skill and knowledge. You will understand why I am posting from an IP address. I have never edited an encyclopedia page from an IP address, only this one talk page, for obvious reasons. 50.74.107.148 (talk) 18:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. How many admins does it take to screw in a light bulb? Drmies (talk) 18:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Five. One to hold the bulb, four to hold each leg of the chair that he is standing on and turn it around... (I admit we told this joke and thought it very funny when I was about 10 years old. Still makes me smile. Somewhere there's still a child in me... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 18:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Just two, provided the admins are small enough to fit inside the light bulb. --MelanieN (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I post here with hesitation and anyone who is following MusicAngels knows why. I made a comment on a page that I had showed my students about "canonical" poetry, poetry that everyone talks about while disregarding other poets not canonized, and all of a sudden I became the subject of attacks. I have learned that you can follow people pretty closely on Wikipedia, you can follow their contributions and see what else they are up to. Such things never occurred to me before. But since he stalked me, I have followed him back and has seen what he has claimed about me and even about the hours that I am free to edit, since I am a schoolteacher. Two pages I am interested in were protected for a while while he was shouting WP:ACRONYMS at me. I nearly gave up. So please somebody please do something.JRW03 (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To "do something" would require an ANI discussion in my opinion. Personally I am not ready to do that - although I do see that they are causing problems. I have warned them specifically against repeating a couple of actions, and so far they have not crossed those lines. I will continue to monitor the situation, as I think others are also doing. Of course just because I personally have not reached the point of ANI, that doesn't mean others can't go there. If that happens, it would probably be better if it came from an admin (such as myself or one of the ones you listed above) rather than from someone with whom they have disagreed over content. --MelanieN (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that despite your disavowal, they are now quoting you at SilkTork's page, to try to prove you agree with them about "trolls"; does that push you over the edge? I'm pretty sure that sooner or later they are going to push one of us too far.. --MelanieN (talk) 20:07, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I should add that I have been collecting an archive of evidence and diffs, against the day when I DO decide to file an ANI. The archive is offline, so don't bother looking for it. --MelanieN (talk) 20:31, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * MusicAngels has asked for help in outing my non-IP identity. This is the edit where they ask to out me: . I wonder if this is consistent with Wikipedia policies. I thought Wikipedia had strict policies around privacy. (For the record, I have never had any interaction with MusicAngels. They would not recognize my login name. Their edits caught my attention a while ago, and I have stayed out of their way ever since. This new incident explains why.) Posted from this shared IP address: 50.74.98.197 (talk) 21:29, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's an old request - several weeks old. Since that time they have had Wikipedia policy pointed out to them - about IP editors not needing to reveal their identity as long as they are not using the accounts deceptively. So hopefully they have dropped this request, which does not seem to have gotten any response. At this point I am waiting to see if they continue their problem behavior; I am hopeful they will stop focusing so much on editors and focus more on editing. But keep me posted of any new problems. --MelanieN (talk) 21:43, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This new request is in the middle of all the old stuff, so it's hard to pick it out in the middle of all that, but it is a completely new request, made today. The date stamp is 8 October 2015. Also, I am a completely different person from the other IP editor that MusicAngels was trying to out. I do not say that I have a better haircut than the other IP (cough, cough), but I am definitely different! Posted from the shared address 50.74.107.148 (talk) 22:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's tricky - and deceptive! They posted it on October 8, but they copy-pasted an old signature into it, so that it looks as if it was posted on August 24! --MelanieN (talk) 22:04, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That was the final straw for me. See Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. --MelanieN (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note for archive purposes: now at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive901. --MelanieN (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

That was a very good summary you did on the ANI page. I don't think anybody could have done it better. Bgwhite (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bgwhite. And thanks for your contribution to exposing this user's history and habits. --MelanieN (talk) 23:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Beeei Beeei, now that I've found you...
You're welcome. Sorry the other editor took my caveat as a personal issue (I'm sure it wasn't intentional and posted some explanatory links to their talk page), but good work shepherding it through. Keep up the good work! — Llywelyn II   02:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for stepping in when needed. I certainly understood your objection, although I hadn't thought about the names that way. The hook is much better now, and your input was invaluable. --MelanieN (talk) 02:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Vanessa Holloway
Can you do anything with this? I've removed the speedy tag and tidied up references to the two books she's written, but a news and book search has drawn a complete blank - there seems to be another marginally notable person with the same name who's UK manager of Electrolux which brings up too many false positives this side of the pond. Maybe there's something on JSTOR as well? Anyway, if you can think of any way of rescuing it, please do. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I see what I can do a little later. --MelanieN (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't much help. I added to the article where she teaches, but it's not a notable position, just an "adjunct/lecturer". I could find nothing at all at Google Scholar, and no reviews of her books. Maybe that's not surprising since both were published in 2015. The preface to one of her books describes her as a "young" academic, maybe it's just WP:TOOSOON for her to have an article here. It wasn't appropriate for speedy, you were right about that, but I have a hunch it should be prodded. --MelanieN (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I AfD'ed it. --MelanieN (talk) 21:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for unintional disruption!!
Deepest apologies for unintionally rolling back an edit on your page! I'm working on my phone and hit the wrong button and didn't know it had happened. I am deeply grateful to you for your recent actions and the last thing I want to do is disrupt your page!! I've made this kind of mistake before on my phone and said I would know better next time - and then didn't. This time I really will learn!!! - Macspaunday (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)g
 * Don't worry about it. It's easy to do: big fingers, small buttons. In fact that's why I had Rollback disabled; I got tired of apologizing for unintentional deletions! BTW you don't have to ping someone if you are writing on their own talk page. Those edits always get notified to the page owner. --MelanieN (talk) 16:20, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you and sorry for the deluge of notifications! Would it be possible for you to revoke my rollback privilege if it isn't a lot of trouble? I've now done this fat finger routine twice and wasted the time of the people who had to revert. A lot better not to have it at all. Thank you, and more apologies for asking you to do more work after I spilled coffee on your page and someone else had to wipe it up. - Macspaunday (talk) 16:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait! I did what I should have done first and found out how to hide the Rollback button. Will do exactly that. Ignore previous request!! - Macspaunday (talk) 16:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL, that was fast! Personally I don't like buttons that do things immediately, bang, no chance to change your mind. I prefer a delete button where you have to confirm that, yes, delete was what you meant to do. But I guess some people do find Rollback a convenience. --MelanieN (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I installed this rollback-confirming script by User:MusikAnimal that does exactly what's needed (and has siblings that do similar things): . I'd noticed MusikAnimal's valuable interventions in admin matters, but didn't know their skills also extended in this direction! - Macspaunday (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * First off thank you for your kind words :) Moreover, what mobile browser are you using? Accidentally hitting rollback on a mobile device is too common, so much that we made a default-enabled script to require confirmation. Check your gadget settings. Towards the top, do you see checked? It should be. It's possible if you're using a not-so-popular mobile browser that the script wasn't already working for you. &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  03:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The good words were entirely deserved! As for the rollback issues - That box was checked off in my preferences (I never knew it was there until just now), and my phone is an iPhone 5s running Safari (a fairly standard setup), so the strange thing is that I sometimes do get the confirmation alert about rolling back (even before installing your script), but twice in the past week or so I've made the fat-finger mistake without any notification that I could see, and then I discovered that I'd rolled back by mistake. This may be an instance of User Incompetence, not anything in the software. I'll experiment more with this - but only with rolling back edits in my own sandbox, so the world is safe (I hope) from the fatness of my fingers... - Macspaunday (talk) 04:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Protected redirect and Special:ShortPages
Hello Melanie, I hope you are well.

You fully protected the redirect Miss Universe 2015 and added pp-vandalism. That apparently makes the redirect pop up on Special:ShortPages. I am curious to see if adding  per Protection policy as a third line would result in its disappearance from that list, would you try and add it, please?

If that does not do the trick, I assume that adding would work as it normally does on short DAB pages.

Thanks, -- Sam Sailor Talk! 06:53, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, User:Sam Sailor. I removed the "page protection" template and used the "protected redirects" category instead. I also put a note on the talk page explaining about the full protection. --MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Enola Gay
Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you think it still needs it? Vandalism edits are very rare: two in August, none in September, none so far in October. This is probably a level that can be handled by normal page-watching, without needing the PC protection. If the problem gets more severe of course we can renew it. --MelanieN (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

incomplete AfD deletion
Since you are an admin, please double-check the deleted page for other orphaned and/or non-free images. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ‎(Articles for deletion/Altair Global Relocation): File:Altair Logo.png
 * Articles for deletion/Cartus) File:CART3color.png
 * ‎(Articles for deletion/Relocation Journal)
 * Thanks for the reminder! --MelanieN (talk) 02:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I couldn't find any remaining images or other stuff for Relocation Journal. --MelanieN (talk) 02:37, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 12 October
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Thanks
Hi MelanieN, Thanks for your help with "my new best friend", Long story short Adam's not liked me or Charles for quite some time and I think me nominating one of his pages was probably the tip of the iceberg!, Who knows but thanks for your swift help :) – Davey 2010 Talk 19:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I was puzzled, because this user hadn't edited in almost a year - and their edits up until then seemed to be constructive, or at least not disruptive. So this sudden storm of vandalism seemed very out of character, out of the blue, but it was clear that immediate action was needed. I only gave him 24 hours; that should be time enough that if the account was compromised he can deal with it. If he resumes vandalizing after the 24 hours, let me or any admin know immediately, because stronger measures may be needed. --MelanieN (talk) 19:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * An IP left me message using his sig and that message was straight after another user left one (I have a feeling both users still keep in contact judging by the IPs reply aswell as the MFD discussion so I won't be surprised if A CERTAIN user had put THAT user up to it if you're following me.... But then again I could be totally wrong!, Well I'll be away for most of the day so I'm hoping he stays away lol, Anyway I'll keep an eye and if anything kicks off I'll ping you galore, Thanks for your help again - Very much appreciated :), – Davey 2010 Talk 20:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello food plot saver!
Just stopped by to say (belatedly) that I loved what you did with that article. Before it seemed rather commercial to me, but my opinion may have been colored by the links I deleted, so it definitely needed someone with a fresh point of view to look it over. Thanks! MurderByDeadcopy"bang!" 18:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL, I had forgotten all about Food plot! I had to go look it up to see what you were talking about. Yes, that article was in poor shape, it's no wonder you prodded it. It needed pretty much a complete rewrite, but that's something I enjoy doing. Glad to see it's still with us. --MelanieN (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Bei Bei
Gatoclass (talk) 01:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

The 64th Miss Universe Pageant
Melanie, could you please take a look at this article: The 64th Miss Universe Pageant? It appears to have been created on 1 October. I saw it on RecentChanges and I was about to rename/merge it when I saw that you have already protected the Miss Universe 2015 page. Since you are more familiar with this issue, I'll let you handle it from here. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * A redirect will be sufficient. They author gave a date, but still not with a reliable source. The Banner talk 09:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert, Zzyzx. It's true that there is still no date for the pageant on the Miss Universe webpage, which means to me that it has not been announced yet. Somebody, or a bunch of somebodys, is very eager to create this article. Banner, I have a question for you: is the date the only problem, and is the REST of the information - the names of the contestants and such - correct and properly sourced? Could we retain an article that says "the date and place have not yet been announced"? --MelanieN (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * When you ignore related sources and social media, the article is hardly sourced. But the article is just a copy from es:Miss Universo 2015, including all untranslated sources. According to the licence used on WP, you have to give proper credit and that fails here.
 * It keeps a bit of a who is who. I was absolutely baffled bu the outcome of Sockpuppet investigations/Cesaro2012/Archive! The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 14:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is actually not a copy or translation of the es:wiki article, although part of the list of contestants is the same and may have been lifted, complete with sources. Or the same person may have written both; it seems likely that the author(s) of this article are from the Philippines, so it is not unreasonable for them to use Spanish-language sources. Some of the sources are from Facebook, as you noted, which is generally not a Reliable Source; many others are from Pageant News which may be as close as we are going to come for a Reliable Source for the individual pageants. I see that Miss Universe 2014 is sourced almost entirely to Miss Universe itself with NO sourcing for individual contestants; in that sense the current article is better sourced than existing articles on the same subject. Miss Universe 2013 has individual sources for the contestants which are similar to the ones in this proposed article.
 * I am thinking I need more input on this. According to WP:CRYSTAL, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." That would suggest that a developing article on Miss Universe 2015 actually IS appropriate, with a caveat that the date and place have not yet been announced. I will post an RfC on the Miss Universe page and see what people say. --MelanieN (talk) 16:00, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Page for Un-Protection request
Hi MelanieN, Kho pleople, is currently semi-protected Please remove the protection. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.15.77 (talk) 08:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for your note. The administrator who most recently protected the article Kho people was User:Airplaneman, so that is who you should ask. My own opinion: The article has needed almost continuous semi-protection since it was created last May, and I would not be inclined to remove it now. If there is something you think should be added to the article, you can suggest it on the article's talk page, and paste this into your suggestion: --MelanieN (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, Melanie. I agree with your comments. In fact, I have a hunch that problematic editing won't stop even after the protection runs its course – so I'm not inclined to unprotect at this time. Best, Airplaneman   ✈  21:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * One more time and I'd be tempted to go for indefinite semi-protection. --MelanieN (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Where's the optimism? The article is going to be unprotected and we're going to be inundated with IPs adding sourced, NPOV encyclopedic information in perfect English all the while cooperating with each other to get it to FA status. And in other news, ANI is going to be shut down because of a lack of need. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That deserves a rousing "Yeah, right!" 0;-D And in other other news, did you see THIS provocatively titled discussion? --MelanieN (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I did. Of course if was really serious she would've followed Bish's lead and AFD'd the whole thing. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted the talk page header so that section is not misleading. Any way, Bish's problem is that she tried to AfD a Wikipedia space page. She should have made an MfD nomination instead. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 23:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Boo! No fun --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, Neil, I hadn't seen that one. So, Liz, do you think the nomination would have succeeded if she had made it at MfD? --MelanieN (talk) 23:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Miss Universe
Perhaps I was a bit too grumpy last night. But nothing human is strange to me and I was quite upset after the death of a 20-year old lad here. Although I was happy that he was found, after being missing for three days. The ocean is cruel sometimes. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 09:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, Banner, there was no problem; sorry if I implied otherwise. Very sorry to hear about the drowning. No wonder you were upset. --MelanieN (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)