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Riboflavin review
Appreciate your talking up this task. I depart Thursday morning for a week's vacation, so if cannot complete the effort I suggest it be put on hold until the 9th. David notMD (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * And... we are off to a fast start! David notMD (talk) 10:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks I have left you comments on my first read through here. No rush to respond if you are going to be away on vacation, I am happy to wait. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 10:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * How about deleting the "Definition" section? For vitamins that have vitamers such a section proven useful, but here it feels redundant. David notMD (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks How about moving the "Chemical properties" section up the page and merging it into the "Definition" section? Mertbiol (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. David notMD (talk) 18:31, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * OK with me to slow this one down to after my return on the 8th, if we do not finish before you need to start to address the GA reviews for Weybridge and Leatherhead. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe I have addressed all the requests and suggestions in the first pass, including revisiting the table headings for dietary recommendations. Starting early Dec 2 through late Dec 8 I will be in a non-Wifi part of California, so will be able to continue this GA review starting the 9th. Looking forward to a night sky so dark that the Milky Way will be clearly visible (and hearing Great Horned Owls and Coyotes). David notMD (talk) 21:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you
Thank you for your diligence on Riboflavin. I will let you know if a Did You Know... reaches the Main Page. And congratulations on your two recent GAs. David notMD (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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Peer review of Susan B. Anthony?
Hi Mertbiol, I really appreciated your detailed feedback when we worked together a while back on a GAR. I was wondering if you'd have time to help review this article that I'm considering nominating for GA. –– FormalDude   talk   04:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi It’s good to hear from you again and thanks for getting in touch.
 * I've read through the Susan B. Anthony article. I think it is very good and there should be no difficulty in getting it promoted to GA status. I have noted a few, very minor points:
 * The second paragraph of the lead section has eight sentences that begin "In 18??," and this sounds a little repetitive. It would be good to rephrase if possible.
 * References [2] and [15] should be linked to the Internet Archive if possible, to match the other Harper (1898-1908) references.
 * Is "unhappily endured its severe atmosphere" a quotation (referring to the Quaker school that Anthony attended in 1837)? If it is a quote, then it should be in quotation marks. If not then I think this phrase needs a little more explanation.
 * The sentence "The leadership of the new organization included such prominent activists as Lucretia Mott, Lucy Stone and Frederick Douglass." is missing a reference.
 * The paragraph starting "Originally envisioned as a modest publication that could be produced quickly" appears to be unreferenced.
 * Some of the longer paragraphs have only a single reference (e.g. paragraphs with references [5], [7], [17], [73], [133] and several more). I would prefer to see these split, rather than combining multiple source book pages into a single citation at the end of the paragraph.
 * The Commemoration section could be made more readable if it was divided by subheadings - perhaps "sculptures", "projects", "banknotes, coins and stamps" etc. It would also also benefit from the addition of some pictures, possibly using some from the Gallery section immediately below it.
 * One additional issue I have is that you do not appear to have made any recent edits to the article. I would be concerned that you might not be able to respond fully to a reviewer's comments, without having done the detailed research involved in writing it. is responsible for 73% of the article and if I were in their shoes, then I would expect to be consulted by another editor interested in nominating for WP:GAN before the article is put forward. (In all honestly, I think that you should have left a message on the talk page before approaching me for my comments.)
 * While it is true that the letter of Wikipedia law states that anyone can nominate any article (and indeed that no article belongs to any one person), the collaborative spirit of this project does require a discussion with a major contributor before a nomination is advanced. (See this paragraph of the nomination instructions.) I am sure that, as an experienced editor, is well aware of the possibility of WP:GAN, but they may want to make further progress before seeking recognition for their efforts through the review process. (If this what they would like to do, then you should respect their wishes and wait.) Likewise, if they would prefer to nominate the article themselves, you should let them do just that.
 * Finally, if you are on the hunt for close-to-GA articles to nominate, simply so that you can claim "GA medals" on the back of someone else's work, then I would respectfully suggest that your intentions do not fit with the generous, collaborative spirit that is fostered here at Wikipedia.
 * Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response. I have not started editing the article yet, but I should have reached out to Bilpen first. I didn't know how much they'd contributed to the article. I certainly am not trying to seek awards off the back of someone else. –– FormalDude   talk   21:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Mertbiol, thanks for the kind words. It's true that I have put a lot of work into the Susan B. Anthony article as well as some related articles.  I probably am the best person to bring it up to GA standards since I have the books needed for references on my bookshelf.  I am tied up with a non-Wikipedia project at the moment, but I should be able to work on it before too long.  Meanwhile I will see if I can address some of the issues that you have raised here.  Bilpen (talk) 00:50, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Mertbiol. I will be able to begin working on this project shortly.  I have already done some preliminary work.  How should we handle it?  Should I begin by simply working through your list of suggestions above?  Bilpen (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for getting in touch. I should explain that my involvement with this article came purely from the exchange above. I am from the UK and had not come across Susan B. Anthony before. If you would like to use my comments as a guide to prepare the article for a GA nomination, then please do go ahead. (It's already a very clear and well-written article.) I'd be very happy to review it at GAN - I don't think this would be a conflict of interest, but if you prefer for someone else to do this, then that's fine too. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Mertbiol, I have worked through your preliminary list of suggested improvements to the Susan B. Anthony article, and I have now nominated it as a Good Article. If you would like to be the reviewer, that would be fine with me.  Thanks.  Bilpen (talk) 01:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Woking comment
Hi Mertbiol, sadly I don't have time to do a full review at the moment, but I saw the note on timing and thought I'd drop a note that the main issue I see at a quick look is MOS:OVERSECTION (GA1b). The article has quite a few single paragraph, and even single sentence, sections and subsections. A consolidation would likely help readability. Best, CMD (talk) 21:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thiamine GA
Looking forward to working with you. It's been a while since I nominated if, so I'll read through the article to refresh my memory. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies. Just got over COVID (with help from Paxlovid). I will start my replies Thursday morning. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I changed Degradation to Interference and added more content and references. Please let me know if this calls for more work before making a decision on the GA nomination. David notMD (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Checking in again - any more requests before reaching a decision on this GA application? David notMD (talk) 03:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again, and for putting up with my involuntary sabbatical/ghosting of the review process for October and much of November. David notMD (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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West Auckland
Kia ora Mertbiol, could I check if you have any more thoughts on the West Auckland GA review? I feel like we're almost finished, and I'd love to get it sorted. --Prosperosity (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Woking
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Leonard Arthur Bethell in Dorking
Would a copy of a letter heading address - received by Frederick Marshman Bailey - be acceptable evidence for living in Dorking ? Charles.bowyer (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks for your message. I'm afraid that a copy of a letter would not be acceptable, as this would be a primary source. Please see WP:Primary for more information. We would need a secondary source, such as a biography, for this to stand. I have checked ODNB, but there is no entry for Bethell and he is also not mentioned as a resident in the local history books that I have. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 13:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I should also add that I have checked the archives of the Times and Telegraph, but can't find any mention of Bethell in either. (I was hoping to find an obituary.) Best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have the electoral roll for Dorking 1926 - I guess that would be OK ? Charles.bowyer (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . No sorry, it's also a primary source. You need a secondary source. Best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 16:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi One possibility is for you to get in touch with Dorking Museum and to ask them if they would be willing to add Bethel to this page of notable Dorking people on their website. You could present the primary source information to them and they could then publish a summary. Bethel's connection to Dorking seems to have faded from local knowledge, so I am sure they would be interested to hear from you. They may be able to find some relevant local press articles.
 * The other point to consider is whether Bethel is suitable for inclusion in a deliberately short list of notable people. Since he appears to have moved to Dorking in retirement and, as I understand it, did not produce any new work while living in the town, we would generally leave him off a list of this type. (Compare Bethell to Vaughan Williams and Moule-Evans, who spent large portions of their working lives in the town.)
 * I hope this helps. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 16:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No - you may have misread the article - he left Dorking as part of his retirement plan. He did a good deal of work between 1926 and 1936 when he lived in Dorking. The reason he tends to be invisible in the record is his constant use of pseudonyms.
 * Anyway - I will contact the museum. Charles.bowyer (talk) 17:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry, my apologies - I confused his retirement from the army with his retirement from writing. If the period of his residence in Dorking was a productive one, then I am sure that Dorking Museum will be very keen to hear from you and to develop an entry from their website. Once this is independently published, it can be cited on Wikipedia. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 17:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . One more thing - the other organisation to consider contacting is the Dorking and Leatherhead Advertiser, the local newspaper, which publishes online at SurreyLive. They often turn Wikipedia pages into their own articles... I'm sure that a "rediscovery of Leonard Arthur Bethell" as a "local Dorking hero" would be of great interest to them and would result in a suitable article. (Probably best to do this once your discussions with the museum are at an advanced stage.) Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have sent the following to the Museum - hope you find it fair. I await their reply.
 * To:  Dorking Museum 
 * From: Charles Bowyer 
 * Erica
 * We communicated a while ago on the sale note for New Clan - you may remember.
 * I was writing a Wikipedia article for Leonard Arthur Bethell who lived in Dorking between 1926 and 1936. That article is now complete, accepted by Wikipedia editors, and published.
 * Consequently, I added Bethell to the list of 'Notable Dorking residents' on Wikipedia - at the end of their list, underneath Absolute Radio DJ Christian O'Connell. One of the Wikipedia editors has rejected my addition on the grounds that Bethell is not sufficiently notable.
 * I of course claim that he is - the editor has suggested that the Museum adjudicate - what do you think ?
 * The information on Bethell is at
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Arthur_Bethell
 * Charles Charles.bowyer (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm afraid you have misrepresented my position. I certainly did not suggest that Dorking Museum adjudicate on the notability of Bethell. The problem is that you do not have any secondary sources to back up your claim that he lived in Dorking. All you have are primary sources, which I have explained are not acceptable on Wikipedia. See WP:Primary.
 * I suggested that you contact the museum and ask them to include an entry on their website for Bethell. This would be a secondary source which you could use as a reference on Wikipedia. I also suggested you could do the same for the local press.
 * Please email Erica back and correct the record. Mertbiol (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I misunderstood. And I may still be misunderstanding:
 * There seem to be 2 issues in point:
 * 1. Did this person live in Dorking ?
 * I do not see how you can reject the evidence of the electoral register. This is a legal document, and it is a legal offence to make false entries on it. Therefore I find this a definitive proof that he lived in Dorking. Do you not agree ? (This document is referenced in the Bethell Wikipedia article).
 * 2. Is this person sufficiently notable - a much more nuanced discussion. I can say that this very issue was discussed at length in regard to putting the article live - and the result was 'Yes'.
 * (I will forward the link to that discussion by next - I have to leave this page to go and locate it.)
 * Please clarify things for me. Charles.bowyer (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi
 * 1. Did this person live in Dorking ? You need a SECONDARY SOURCE to support your assertion that Bethell lived in Dorking for the period 1926 to 1936. An electoral roll is a PRIMARY SOURCE and only covers one year. A SECONDARY SOURCE would be: an article in a published book (I have looked in the ODNB and in my local history books but can't find anything), an obituary in a newspaper (I can't find one in either the Times or Telegraph archives) or a local newspaper article. By using only primary sources, you are carrying out ORIGINAL RESEARCH, which is not allowed on Wikipedia - see WP:OR.
 * 2. Is this person sufficiently notable? I am not so concerned about this. If you can provide a SECONDARY SOURCE, which supports the majority of his written work being produced during the decade when Bethell lived in Dorking, then his inclusion would be justified. BUT you need a SECONDARY SOURCE.
 * A paragraph on Bethell on the Dorking Museum website would satisfy both of these points, but there are potentially other secondary sources that might do this - it's just that we can't find any.
 * Does this make things clear now? Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is the notability discussion based on secondary sources as I understand it
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Leonard_Arthur_Bethell
 * As for the 'lived in Dorking' - will the electoral roll 1926 and the electoral roll 1936 together satsfy the 'lived in Dorking' question ?
 * For now I have to leave this discussion - but will return tomorrow. Charles.bowyer (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm sorry, no, the electoral rolls do not satisfy the 'lived in Dorking' question. You need a secondary source as I have described. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Always good to sleep on a problem.
 * Although I still do not agree with you: I do not agree that Electoral Rolls are invalid sources of address, and I cannot accept that Wikipedia policies ever intended that authoritative government data should be disallowed on Wikipedia, I have concluded that the effort arising from this one line addition to the Dorking website is not worth the value delivered.
 * I therefore drop out of this debate, and allow your removal of the said line.! :::::::::::::: (talk) 07:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Thank you for your message. I would advise you to look very closely at your article, which is very heavily reliant on primary sources. Ask yourself: How can I be sure that the person who lived at New Clan is the same person who wrote the literary works you have listed? As far as I can tell, the only thing supporting the link is private correspondence, which is a primary source. The electoral rolls do not prove that the occupant of New Clan in Dorking is the same person as the writer. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 08:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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Boxhill
Hi, I have uploaded some imagery of Boxhill onto Wikimedia Commons. They're not as good as you would have hoped, don't know if it was because I was too late, but she was sandwiched between a Class 20 and a Class 31, not on the turntable, which made 3/4 shots from the front unworkable. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) The joy of all things (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Thanks for your message and for your photos. It's really great to see Boxhill in the Great Hall. (She was stuck in the Learning Platform for the best part of two decades.) I think she was only on the turntable for a month or so and unfortunately I wasn't able to get up to York to photograph her then. I hope you enjoyed your visit to the NRM and I will try to get there myself in the near future. Thanks and best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 12:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Godalming
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Godalming
What is it you don't understand about rounding. The straight line distance by google earth is 51.7 km which gave a distance of 32 miles, by road it's more using google maps. the preceding word is "about" so it's roughly this distance. So you state an incorrect value in kilometres to give a rounded 30 miles? You are rounding the value in miles but not kilometres contrary to MOS:CONVERT. Avi8tor (talk) 11:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The straight line distance from the junction of Godalming High Street and Bridge Street to the south side of Trafalgar Square in central London is 49 km. I do not know where you are measuring from and to. (As you do not appear to be from the UK, you may not know that all distances to/from London are measured from the site of the Charing Cross, which was on the south side of Trafalgar Square.) Convert from 49 km and you get to 30 miles. We round to 2 sig fig and use "about" to show that a rounding has taken place. The road distance is irrelevant. Mertbiol (talk) 11:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I used Google Earth which has a measuring tool, it does not matter where I am, it works worldwide. 2 significant figures would be the two digits after the decimal point, we are just measuring whole miles or whole kilometres. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding
 * The original figures (plural) rounded would be 30 mi or 50 km. Wikipedia is read worldwide, except for the UK and the US they all use kilometres. Use 50 km and it will give you 30 miles with a -1 rounding in the formula. Keeps everyone happy. Avi8tor (talk) 09:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * you have not understood what I wrote. Which point are you taking as the centre of London? You should be using the site of the former Charing Cross, which is on the south side of Trafalgar Square. If you measure from there to Godalming, you get a distance of 49.02 km. Convert this value and you get 30.46 miles. Round both values and you get 49 km and 30 miles. Using 50 km would be the wrong initial measurement. You are wrong to say "2 significant figures would be the two digits after the decimal point" 49.02 km is FOUR significant figures. 49 km is two significant figures. Mertbiol (talk) 12:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Nice expansion work on Brighton Main Line
...which has just popped up on my watchlist! Cheers, Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you !! Mertbiol (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)