User talk:Millbanks

Why I reverted your edit
I reverted your edit because it isn't very notable in the grand scheme of things. I have added Bertie Ahern to Category:Manchester United F.C. fans, but I don't think a list of United fans is worth a place in the article itself. - PeeJay 15:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, that's fine, thanks! Millbanks 22:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

2007 Spanish Title
Most leagues use goal differential (goals scored - goals against) as a tie-breaker. Italy uses head-to-head between three or more clubs to rank tied clubs and then a play-off match between the two higher rank clubs to break the tie (Team A won 2 games, tied 2, and lost 0 games against Team B & Team C while Team B was 2-1-1 and Team C was 0-1-3; Team A & Team B will play play-off game). In Spain, only the head-to-head ranks the clubs. I think Madrid tied Barcelona 3-3 and won 5-3 thus winning the La Liga title. Raul17 19:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks Millbanks 22:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter O'Toole
Can you explain this edit?. regards--Vintagekits 18:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ar ndóigh. Since, as the article states, Mr O'Toole's birthplace is disputed, it is unencyclopedic simply to record it in the summary as Connemara, when it might equally well have been Leeds. Ceart go leor? Le gach beannacht. Millbanks 20:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Lapira
I have amended your edit to Joseph Lapira with reference to him being the first Irish international to play for Rangers. Apart from several Rangers players who played for Ireland national football team (IFA), Alex Stevenson also played for both Rangers and Ireland national football team (FAI) during the 1930s. Djln--Djln 21:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, OK. I read it over a coffee in the Irish Sun! Incidentally, they also mentioned that Alan Maybury, a Dublin Protestant, had trials for Rangers in the nineties, but decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Millbanks 22:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Stevenson and the others were Protestants, as it says in his Wiki article, but his religion is not relevant as your initial edit implied Lapira was the first ever Irish international to play for Rangers and not just the first Catholic Irish international. Has the Irish Sun never heard of Wikipedia ?

I don't normally read the Irish Sun, but the coffee was good and the newspaper had five pages of English soccer. I live in a small town in south east Ireland, and you see all sorts of English soccer shirts and a lot of Celtic ones, too. But you'd have big problems if you wore a Rangers shirt, and being a Protestant would be no excuse. Lapira, being American, is unlikely to have any problems in his home town. I can't imagine that the average American, or Irish American, has ever heard of Rangers. Millbanks 08:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Anglican
Isn't the Anglican church considered "Catholic-lite"? Isn't the UK/Africa Anglican Commnuion also coming closer and closer to reuniting with Rome? I ask this as a personal question and not related to the Irish-American page. 75.32.38.191 14:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. I liked the phrase "Catholic-lite" and it's fairly accurate too. A Presbyterian friend once described Anglicans as "watered down Catholics"!


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Sinn Fein Article
The great thing about Wikipedia is that if someone doesn't like what you say, they can usually find excuses to delete what you've written. I've seen what you were trying to post and I can see what reasons One Night In Hackney has used to removed it. Essentially what you have put is commentary from a political commentator.

"They increased their vote, but only because they fielded more candidates than at the previous election. (see below) The reasons for this disappointing (to who?) performance have been put down (by who) to the fact that the other parliamentary parties ruled out government formation with Sinn Féin; a "squeeze" by the two big centre parties; and poor performances in television debates (if you have figs i.e. a survey then perhaps that could go in)."

I have tried to find info about how many seats Sinn Fein stood in, in the 2007 irish general election, and their share of the vote to compare it to the previous election but I can't find this figs anywhere. If you could show that SF got a lower proportion of the vote per constituency, then it should go in the article (and stay there... undeleted!). Hope this helps --81.132.246.132 21:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

My Irish Times pull out did have figures which showed quite clearly that SF did get a lower proportion of the vote per constituency, but I no longer have it. The performance was obviously disappointing to Sinn Fein. Labour and the PDs also felt the effect of the "squeeze". As for Gerry Adams's performance on TV, I very much doubt if there was a survey. I just read articles and letters in The Irish Times, The Sunday Independent and on line. I think that this discussion has now gone as far as it can go. Millbanks 11:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Anglican collaboration of the month
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Carnew
I take you watched that program on BBC this evening about Graham Norton's ancestors! It was very interesting. Wiki01916 22:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did, and yes, it was interesting, not least because we are Church of Ireland and have some connections with the area. Millbanks 08:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
You're welcome. -- Orange Mike 21:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC) (a Quaker republican Plastic Paddy, some would say)

Thank you for your help and support (as also to Alison and Irishguy) Millbanks 10:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Edward Worth
A tag has been placed on Edward Worth requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've done a hangon and left a note on your talk page. Millbanks (talk) 16:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

On Irish-Americans
Hello. I read your post on the discussion page about declining numbers of Americans traveling to Ireland. You seem to lament this. I'm an American, but I've always gotten the impression that many Irish people living in Ireland detest American tourists who claim to be "Irish" or of Irish ancestry. As an American, I also get tired of my fellow Americans who purport to be Irish even though they're generations removed. Nonetheless, it's interesting to hear the thoughts of an Irishman who seems to regret a loss in American visitors to Ireland.

Also, this might sound strange, but do most Americans "look" Irish to you? That may sound odd, but many Americans will say things like "she looks Irish," or "you can tell by looking at me I'm of Irish ancestry." Is there a distinctive Irish "look(s)" and if so, do Irish-Americans "look" Irish to you? I'd love to hear your feedback and thoughts. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 07:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually I used to get a degree of stick in this forum from someone who is I presume Irish American and also from a member of Sinn Féin for being cynical about "plastic paddies", ie people who whilst not Irish by birth or upbringing still call themselves Irish. I included two English-born and bred "Irishmen" in this category. The sensitivity of the Irish American is perhaps understandable. My other critic seemed to imply that there was a lot more to being Irish than being born and bred in the Emerald Isle, as, he informed me, "any scolar (sic) wil tell you". No scholar has ever told me that.

No, Irish Americans do not "look" Irish to me. Neither do the relatively large number of English people here, even though many of them are of Irish origin. Their dress, demeanour and accents are different, to the extent that it is usually easy to spot them (even before they speak).

Having said that, it's nice to welcome people to a country with which they have a historical connection and to hear their stories. It's also good for the local economy.

For an interesting perspective on this, it's worth reading "McCarthy's Bar", by Pete McCarthy. Millbanks (talk) 16:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response. I guess what I was getting at is the concept of a phenotypical Irish look.  Is there such a thing?  For instance, if you met a man who was born and raised in Dublin to parents from Nigeria, he would be very much Irish culturally and nationally.  Yet, he isn't descended from the various peoples (as mixed as they may be) that settled Ireland over the centuries and serve as the lineage for the bulk of the Irish citizenry.  Despite distinct cultural and national differences, do Irish-Americans and Irish-Britons display the Irish phenotype (if there is such a thing)?  Or do they "look" more, I don't know, Easter European, etc. in your opinion?  Can you see any sort of "Celtic" (for lack of a better term) resemblence?  That's what I was curious about, because many Americans seem hung-up on this concept.  I may seem that way as well, but only because I've never heard an actual Irishman/woman address this. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 05:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Some good questions. In ways it comes back to the old "nature and nurture" debate. Whilst of course a Dubliner born of Nigerian parents would look more African than Irish, when it comes to white people it's more complex. In England I've picked someone as being Irish, and he turned out to be of Irish parentage. I've had a similar experience with a second generation Welshman. But I think that these are exceptional. But for what it's worth, I once went to a football (soccer) game in Manchester, England, where the local team were plating Ipswich, from East Anglia. You could tell the Ipswich supporters without difficulty. They were faiere and slightly bigger.

Returning to Ireland, the situation is similar. The Irish are not purely "Celtic". There were people here before the Celts arrived, and other incursions since, not least Vikings, Norman French and English. I live in south east Ireland and a friend from the west (who is dark haired and blue-eyed) said she noticed how different the people looked here - because of the amount of Norse blood. Some say that the so-called "Celtic red hair" is Norse, but it is interesting too how many of the travelling community have red hair.

You'll see that I'm broadly in agreement with you. I dislike ethnic stereotyping, though this has caused me some problems in the Wikipedia community! Millbanks (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Southie & Sinn Fein
You will have to refresh my memory, 'cause I do not recall what you are talking about. Does this have something to do with the Irish American article? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive'  15:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Irish American discussion page, heading Republican Mural, your posting of 18 June and my reply. Millbanks (talk) 09:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will look there, thanks. I also took the liberty of deleting a comment by a blocked vandal.  Hope you do not mind. --- RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  19:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. No, of course I don't mind: if anything the reverse. The message seemed a bit rude. Millbanks (talk) 21:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Omagh Bombing Anniversary Memorial Service
I would like to draw your attention to a couple of rule on wikipedia. Having read them, when you pull up your socks and respond in a manner befitting civil conversation I will reply to the content of your query. In the meanwhile, you may wish to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette If you have reasonable queries (and from your perspective you certainly do) then do so in a manner befitting a response. There is an Ethic of reciprocity. "Matthew 7:12: Do to others what you would have them do to you" Lihaas (talk) 15:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Wikipedia has a capital 'w'; you should have typed "a couple of rules"; and there should be a comma after "conversation".

What do you mean by my "perspective"? And what is yours? Millbanks (talk) 19:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Candia McWilliam
I was interested to see by some of your recent edits that you seem pretty informed, but not always well informed, about my mother's personal life...I just wonder if I know you. E-mail me at minocher@hotmail.co.uk if you can be bothered. Thanks

Minoo Dinshaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.247.62 (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've e-mailed you Millbanks (talk) 07:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Omagh bombing
Please do not edit other people's words on talk pages; even if they contain what are, in your opinion, inaccuracies. Instead reply to that comment and offer a correction that way. --Blowdart | talk 10:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Have made a correction. Millbanks (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Irish blood not based on DNA but a state of mind

 * Millbanks, I read your comment (26 October) on my talk page about a certain retired editor dismissing your comments about Sinn Fein. According to some editors, to be regarded as Irish, having DNA does not count, nor does having a granny from Crossmolina, County Mayo. Instead, one has to advocate a complete political, geographical, cultural and historical (and genetic) separation from Britain, in favour of submersion into the cultureless Blob that is the EU in order to be truly Irish. You see Mr. Millbanks, for some, being Irish is just a state of mind, not a true flesh-and blood people whose genes are widely diffused around the world in people whose political opinions vary widely. Do you really believe that an Irish woman who marries an Englishman would not feel culturally more at home than lets say if she married a Greek or southern Italian? The Irish have more in common with the British than any other people in Europe. Class or politics don't come into it.--jeanne (talk) 09:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a fair point, Jeanne. In many ways the Irish have tried to move away from the British by adopting the euro as their currency, using kilometres instead of miles, etc. On the other hand the ties remain great. They speak the same language and are close neighbours. Many, perhaps most Irish people have worked in Britain and/or have family there. British newspapers are available in almost every newsagent, in addition to Irish versions of UK papers. British television and radio programmes are received without difficulty. In addition, you'll see many people wearing replica shirts of English football (soccer) teams, though the most popular team (Celtic) is Scottish, a Roman Catholic club with strong Irish links. Large numbers of Irish people travel to England and Scotland each week to support such teams. Generally, relations between the English and Irish are good, though somewhat more delicate with the Scots. Millbanks (talk) 23:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Millbanks, I know about Celtic. When I lived in England, I had a Scottish boyfriend from Glasgow(albeit eons ago), and he supported Celtic. I have been to Scotland. They appeared to me to be a bit anti-Irish as well as anti-American. They are definitly anti-English.--jeanne (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the Scottish-Irish relationship is a bit difficult. Underneath the gloss of "fellow Celts", there are tensions, based on the religious divide. As you know, Glasgow is a very sectarian city (as is Belfast, of course). Even in the south, it would be ill-advised to wear a Rangers shirt. Millbanks (talk) 15:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know a woman from Glasgow who was beaten up when she was a kid by a gang just because she was wearing a Celtic jersey.--jeanne (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Modern Celts
Hi Millbanks, it's good that you are adding to/improving the article Modern Celts and I don't want to stop you or discourage you from doing so, but, the article already has a tag at the top saying 'This article needs additional citations for verification.' and the additions you are adding are unsourced. Please add your sources to the improvements you've made, and to any you make in future. There are plenty of people around who will use any excuse to denigrate the article. Lets not give them more ammunition to say it's WP:OR or WP:POV. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - fair comment. You'll see that I've now provided a source about the Ulster Workers' strike. If you'd like me to provide sources for other comments, please let me know and I'll try. However, my concern about the whole article is that it seems to be being pushed by one man with an axe to grind. He also appears to be trying to portray "Modern Celts" in his own image, and seems hard pushed to describe them. Personally, I think that the article is unencyclopedic and should be deleted. It contains a dgree of ethnic cliché mongering, and an assumption that to be an authentic "Modern Celt" you have to be anti-English or even anti-British (although most "Celts" are British). Specifically, I intend to cast doubt on the presumed inter-Celtic sporting, religious and musical links. If it's acceptable, this will be done by questioning, "please prove your assertions". For example, it's simply not good enough to claim similar religious practices, and then fail to specify, let alone source them. Millbanks (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that Millbanks. Sure, if you have any reliable sources please add them. I agree with you that the article is not well written. Also, that although there are many similarities between the various Celtic countries, they are rarely between them all and there are often such similarities with non-Celtic countries. It's a difficult one. I've always thought of myself as Celtic (I'm Welsh) and have a sense of belonging with the other Celtic countries. Not anti English, rather than pro-Celtic - there's definitely a difference. However, it seems that trying to define that Celticity is elusive. Personally, I would be much more likely to go down the route of accentuating the similarities (for example the Inter-Celtic festival at L'Orient) rather than the differences. But for sure, unsourced assumptions should be challenged. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 09:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Dai. I enjoyed your user page, and I'm in agreement with you on many things. Millbanks (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, nice to know. :) Daicaregos (talk) 10:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Aren't the Cornish Celtic? Cornwall is an English county, hence the English can be considered Celts as well.--jeanne (talk) 10:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Not as simple as that. After the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain in the fifth century, it took them about three hundred years to reach Cornwall, an area which retained its own language and Celtic identity. Cornish, although now extinct, continued to be spoken for hundreds of years, and in west Cornwall in particular, many place names are Celtic. It is different from other English counties in that respect. Millbanks (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Cornish are different from the English culturally, ethnically and linguistically. I have, however, one question to ask you. When the Saxons, Angles, and Jutes arrived in England, did they marry the native Britons or did they bring their own wives with them, as well as groups of single women (like the French casket girls king's daughters arrived in 17th century Canada and 18th Century Louisiana to marry the French settlers and help the colonies grow in population)?Because if they married the local women, English mtDNA would be Celtic not Saxon--jeanne (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, to start with, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes didn't arrive in England, because it didn't exist until they in effect founded it; hence I use the word Britain. Having got that off my chest(!), it used to be thought that the native Britons (Celts) fled to what is now Wales. But I gather that DNA has shown that people in the south of modern England have quite a few Celtic genes in them, so that points to inter-marriage. In contrast, people in modern day eastern and northern England are liable to have Viking genes, emanating from a subsequent invasion. Millbanks (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you completely. See my talk page as I have explained to Daicaregos how dark eyes are found mainly in the west of England, whereas blue in the east and north, verifying your Viking theory. It's interesting that the same is true in Ireland, that is to say that eastern Ireland is overwhelmingly blue-eyed, while in the far west such as Galway, dark eyes are quite common.--jeanne (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

William Goodenough Hayter & List of Old Wykehamists
There was indeed something odd going on, but I've fixed it. Pleased by your interest, I wrote most of that article on Hayter. Xn4 ( talk ) 03:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks. Millbanks (talk) 07:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Elizabethan English

 * Is it true that there's a part of County Wexford where the people speak a dialect of English not used in England since Elizabethan times? My Dublin-born ex-husband told me that the other day while we were speaking over the phone. I had never heard that but he insisted it was true. Seeing as you're a native of New Ross, I thought I'd ask you.--jeanne (talk) 17:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Hiberno-English dialect of this part of Ireland (not just Wexford) contains some 16th and 17th century words sometimes from the west of England, but no longer used there. The phrase to mitch is an example. In England it is to truant. But what your ex might be thinking of is Yola, an older dialect. This is no longer spoken, but two older people have told me that their grandparents in Wexford town used the occasional word in day to day speech. Millbanks (talk) 19:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * We use the phrase to mitch too, meaning to bunk off school, or truant, in the Rhondda. :) Daicaregos (talk) 19:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was obviously brought to Wexford by the Welsh troops of Strongbow in 1169. Very interesting. Walsh is a common Irish surname as well. Another interesting word used in Meath is gosson, obviously a corruption of the French garcon. My ex's parents were from Meath. I wonder where gurrier, the Dublin slang word for yobbo came from? Perhaps the Huguenots?--jeanne (talk) 09:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * I want to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.--jeanne (talk) 08:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, Jeanne - much appreciated. Hope you & yours have a good Christmas, too. Millbanks (talk) 09:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Millbanks, per your conversation on my talk page, paragraph 1401 of the Catechism covers the issue. I don't know when those rules came into being but they apply to the whole Church and appear to allow some discretion to the priest.  Nancy Heise    talk  21:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Nancy. I'm replying on your talk page.Millbanks (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Liz Doyle
User:Snappy removed the reference, stating in his/her edit summary that it was not notable. (I can see their point of view: the daughter's activities are not generally relevant to the mum's article, unless there is some involvement [legislative or otherwise] with what the mum is notable for: for example, if the mum was actively involved in horse-related legislation not otherwise particularly relevant to her district.) -- Orange Mike  |   Talk  14:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks. That's fine, except that the Irish Times article about Liz Doyle's success at Leopardstown specifically mentioned Avril Doyle. Millbanks (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the fact that her mum is who she is, is of course going to be mentioned by the IT; that doesn't make the daughter's activities really notable from the point of view of Avril's article. At any rate, it's a topic to be brought up on the talk page of the article. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

No offense intended

 * Millbanks, you have taken offense where none was intended. I was not reminding you that six of Ireland's counties are still in the UK, just call it a case of my stating the obvious. Sorry if I appeared supercillious. Yes, I have stated on my user page, in my list of things I support and oppose, that I'm against catcalling during national anthems. I also oppose flag-burning. Both are disgraceful. I must confess that when I was a very young student, I refused to rise during the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, due to my fierce opposition to the Vietnam War. My cousin stepped on a mine and lost both legs. Most Irish-Americans are very patriotic towards America. My father would brook no crticism-however mild-of the USA.--jeanne (talk) 09:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Fine, many thanks. Millbanks (talk) 18:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

British workers strike

 * I can see that the on-going strike is just a result of one of many problems being a EU member entails. I personally know an Italian man-a nice enough fellow- who works in London, in an Italian restaurant. All of the employees are Italian. Back in 1985, in my Northside Dublin neighbourhood, an Italian cafe opened, and instead of hiring a local from the area (remember Millbanks, this was during one of the highest unemployment periods in recent Irish history), the owner brought over his nephew from Italy, who barely spoke a word of English. My Irish husband, in 1985, was constrained to join the US Navy to otain employment!--jeanne (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the details of the British workers' strike, but the principle of freedom of movement within the EU is an important one. Are you saying that, as before, someone from one EU state should have to have a permit to work in another? Would that apply to the tens of thousands of Irish people working in Britain? Or to the many thousands of British citizens working in Ireland? Are you advocating narrow protectionism and renewed barriers between European nations? There are in fact thousands of British and Irish people working in the other EU states without let or hindrance. Is that a problem? Millbanks (talk) 19:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Millbanks, the migration in the EU is a one-way street! The hopelessly lazy go to the places where state-paid social welfare is the easiest to obtain, such as Britain and Ireland; the criminals of the EU, go to the countries where they can rob, rape, and murder to their heart's content and be sentenced to house arrest in a luxury apartment, such as here in Italy. Viva the EU! With it's benevolent leaders in Brussels looking out for the best interests of myself and my family, I can surely sleep better at night--jeanne (talk) 07:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

That is rather a sweeping statement. Yes, I'm sure that "benefit tourists" do exist. But the fact remains that there are very large numbers of Irish people living and working in Britain and other parts of Europe and doing a good job. The British, or at least the English, are perhaps lazier, but even they now work in other parts of Europe and some of them even master foreign languages. There are also huge numbers of UK pensioners happily resident in southern Spain, though the value of their pensions has been reduced because the UK£ is weak against the euro. Of course, when/if Britain joins the euro-zone, they will not have that problem.

Jeanne, I know that you are as anti-EU as I am in favour of it. But I don't think that this is the correct forum for a debate between us, Millbanks (talk) 08:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right, Millbanks. I'm just in a rather pissed-off humour today, and decided to vent my fury against a tempting target.--jeanne (talk) 08:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The target of my rage was the EU, not you. I have no problem with people who hold opposing political views. I was married to the great-nephew of this guy, and I'm a monarchist!--jeanne (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Andreas Whittam Smith
Hi. Back on last 24th November you edited Andreas Whittam Smith to say that he was born in Macclesfield, though you left the lead unchanged, which says he was born in Birkenhead. He seems to be a remarkable person who managed to be simultaneously born on opposite sides of pre-1974 Cheshire! I have no idea where he was born, but I'm slapping "citation needed" on both those statements, and it would be useful if you could provide evidence of where he did appear :) -- Arwel Parry (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have done the necessary correction by citing his article in "Why I am Still an Anglican".


 * The phenomenon of dual birthplaces is not unknown in Wikipedia. I am having some trouble working out if Benjamin Zephaniah was born in Handsworth or Coleshill and the birthplace of Peter O'Toole is also the subject of considerable debate. Millbanks (talk) 10:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Millbanks, I frequently run into that problem when writing articles on medieval noblewomen. It's difficult to know at which castle they were born, especially as their fathers tended to own more than one, and sometimes they had holdings spread out over many counties-and indeed, countries. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jeanne. And guess what, I've found another "double birthplace" person: none other than Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother! Millbanks (talk) 13:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Everything OK?

 * Hello Millbanks, it's dawned on me that you haven't edited here for quite a while. I hope everything's OK with you and yours.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm fine thanks, Jeanne. Nice to hear from you. Millbanks (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to see you back, Millbanks. Are you planning on staying? Daicaregos (talk) 11:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - hope so! Millbanks (talk) 11:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pleased to hear it. Welcome back. :) Daicaregos (talk) 11:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, welcome back, and thank you for your kind message. I'm glad all is well with you. We missed you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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