User talk:Mk8mlyb

Opposite field edits
Hi Mk8mlyb! I see you've reverted a couple of attempted merges of the opposite field page. Could you voice your opinion over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball? We'd love to know your thoughts! Thanks. Staxringold talkcontribs 22:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

November 2018
Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Garry Templeton‎‎, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. —Bagumba (talk) 05:30, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in 1984 San Diego Padres season, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. ''Specifically, please follow MOS:EGG regarding intuitive linking. Thanks!'' —Bagumba (talk) 01:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

January 2019
Hello, I'm Tarl N.. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Super Bowl XLVI, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. See also WP:NPOV Tarl N. ( discuss ) 20:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I notice you are making a lot of edits which seem to consist entirely of adding uncited text declaring how impressive things are. Please read WP:PEACOCK. This is an encyclopedia, we intend to record verifiable information, in an encyclopedic manner. We don't need to have text "punched up" to make it more exciting. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 04:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Copied from my talk page to here, to continue conversation where it started:
 * What do you mean, I needed sources? I get the somewhat flowery writing, but most of the info I put on there didn't need to be cited. There's something called observation and comparison. In fact, I calculated the 2007 New York Giants' strength of victory all by myself. Mk8mlyb (talk) 04:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * All statements in Wikipedia must be cited. See WP:V. Flowery writing is what caught my attention because it by itself can be reason to revert an edit. In the sports articles, regrettably, authors often don't bother with citations, but that doesn't excuse not using them - and failure to cite is sufficient reason to revert changes. As for "observation and comparison", your recent changes to 2007 New York Giants season consisted of adding:
 * (both of whom they had lost to in their first two games of the season by ten points or more), to get to Super Bowl XLII, all while being just as favored to lose, and after looking very unimpressive at times during the regular season (despite their 10-6 record, generally considered playoff-caliber, they had a point differential of +22, went 3-5 at home, and had a strength of victory of just .375).
 * I see several statements in there which need citation. The point differential, strength of victory, considered playoff-calibre, looking very unimpressive, favored to lose, ... Those statements would need citations, but are inappropriate for being WP:PEACOCK and counter to WP:NPOV. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies, and self-revert the inappropriate changes. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 04:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to comment on the last statement you made: I calculated the 2007 New York Giants' strength of victory all by myself.. That is original research, and is prohibited. See WP:OR. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 04:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Further conversation from other talk page:
 * Really?! You're telling me the point differential has to be cited? All I had to do was look at the standings to find that out! You mean I have to put THAT as a citation? GRRR! This is frustrating. Can't people look at it for themselves? It's not rocket science! But whatever, I'll take a look at it. Mk8mlyb (talk) 04:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Please read the Wikipedia polices listed at the welcome page linked above by another editor. In theory, ALL statements in Wikipedia must be cited. This generally means that any given sentence should have a citation, as opposed to every word. If you are producing sentences which require citations from multiple sources, you are engaging in synthesis, not reporting. Please read WP:SYNTH.

What I am observing is that your edits reflect addition of emotional content, intending presumably to make it more exciting to read. That's not what Wikipedia is about. And again, I notice you removed some text from the article I complained about, but you have still left a mass of uncited flowery text. I'll revert the entire set of edits from the past several days if I have to.

In case you aren't aware of where to look for Wikipedia policies, I'll include the standard welcome text below, which has pointers to the policies and procedures. Regards, Tarl N. ( discuss ) 04:58, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, copying from my talk page. The place to hold a discussion is where it is started, not scatter across multiple pages.
 * Look, pal, I'm just following what I see on the page, okay? If you read the articles, they have the same stuff throughout. All I'm doing is staying consistent. Look at the playoff section of the 2007 season article. Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey! I put some sources on both articles. Is that enough? Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, the idea is not to place the URL to the NFL website's 2007 season. Please read WP:SECONDARY. We are to report what others write, and link to it. If the score itself were an important point, you could cite the NFL website — but in this case, all you're doing is adding punch-up text. This isn't a case of something new coming up and adding to an article because nobody knew about it before (or that it isn't mentioned elsewhere in the article), but that you wish to place your own interpretation of events in the article. That's WP:SYNTH, which is not allowed. Your own interpretation of events is not welcome, that simply leads to edit wars.
 * And again, please reply here, where the conversation is taking place, not scattered on other pages. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 05:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * As for your placing your own interpretations, see WP:FORUM item #3. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 05:29, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not placing my own interpretations. I simply compared the two. Was it not fact that the 2011 squad drew parallels with the 2007 squad? Where's the error in saying that? What did I miss? Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You came up with an interpretation, both in what the comparison was and what it meant. Again, what Wikipedia should do is report what is written elsewhere. Your interpretation, including things like "cinderella season", "parallels to 2007", "earn a date", "blowout", "put himself into NFL lore" and the like are your opinions about what they meant and what's important. They don't belong. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 06:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:TONE. <b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b> ( discuss ) 06:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Those weren't completely my interpretations. Read the Helmet Catch article. Heck, just read any of the articles that pertain to what we're talking about. I'm doing nothing different from them. Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFF. I can't fix every problem in the world, my problem is primarily preventing additional damage. <b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b> ( discuss ) 00:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess you have a point, so I'll give you credit there. But still, I think the stuff I put on there deserves mentioning in some fashion. Maybe sprinkle it throughout the articles? Mk8mlyb (talk) 01:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you think you really have found sources for something new in those articles, a decade and more after the fact? Or are you just looking to add punch-up commentary? Again, statements added to articles should be properly cited - read WP:CITE. In general, that means you should be providing a summary of what someone else wrote, not providing your own personal take on the events. <b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b> ( discuss ) 01:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a source for some of those claims, but they come from YouTube. Is that okay with you? Here's the link: [] (12:25). Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Generally, citing youtube is a lousy idea. The videos are subject to being removed, you almost always run into WP:PRIMARY, as well as being a pain in the ass for anyone to find what you are claiming is cited. At one point, there was a bot which went around deleting citations pointing to youtube because they were almost all garbage. Again, the idea of Wikipedia is not for you to decide to say something and then find references to back it up. In writing about a subject, it should be researched, and the most salient information put in the article with pointers to where it came from. Your edits directly violate at least WP:V, WP:TONE, WP:NPOV and WP:OR. <b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b> ( discuss ) 06:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Your edits on 2011 New York Giants season
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The AFC and NFC are now artificial constructs within the NFL....and the number of teams in the NFL is ephemeral. Possibly appropriate under, but not. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:59, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

March 2019
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Tom Brady; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, while the ANI case is in progress, you might want to lie low. Given the mess that's been going on over the last month, it's always possible the closing admin decides to have mercy on you. But only if you back off - the fact that you acknowledge you were not innocent is a positive (it shows you know what you did wrong), but you need to show in actions that you realize how much of a problem the issue of edit warring is. Regards, <b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b> ( discuss ) 00:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't notice, as we were having this discussion, your case got closed with a warning. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Mk8mlby_reported_by_User:Bagumba_(Result:_Warned) . Take it to heart! Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 00:53, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Montana
Incidentally, I had edited Montana's article the other day, adding a cite for some of his SB records. The source stated that Montana "generally was regarded as the most accomplished QB in NFL history". Would you be interested in helping to spruce up Montana's article w.r.t. GOAT claims? Also, Jerry Rice is constantly having IPs add that he is the greatest, while one registered editor has been regularly reverting it, presumably because of stickum. I'll need to dig into it more, but I don't recall it really changing his stature as the GOAT WR.—Bagumba (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

2019 Stanley Cup playoffs
Your edit was a good start, but what happened to the division winners was much worse it was the first in league history. Deadman137 (talk) 04:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Edit warring
You are right on the edge of a 3RR block at Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe). BD2412 T 02:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I wasn't doing anything. In some cases, it's them who are edit-warring me. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm just trying to edit right. Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Explain this, then. BD2412  T 03:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

June 2021
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