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Speedy deletion nomination of Siren (Susumu Hirasawa album
Hello Myonmiya,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Siren (Susumu Hirasawa album for deletion in response to your request.

If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

For future reference you can change the title of an article by using the "move" tab at the top of the editing box, this will "move" the entire article to a new page with the new name you enter.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. War wizard90 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
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With regards to your Hirasawa pages
I'd like to say thank you, your work on the pages has been great, but I have two things to say about it:
 * Could you please not take information off the pages once you've edited it in? You've posted some great stuff, why take it out?
 * I'm kinda trying to make all the Hirasawa album pages share a similar style, could you try to make the pages you've worked in in the style? The Water in Time and Space page kinda shows what I intend the style to be, if that helps. Wunkt2 (talk) 17:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

About the points you brought up:
 * If I can't find enough info to create meaty subsections, yeah, introduction it is. But if I had enough info that it would clutter the introduction but not enough for individual subsections, I'd put what I have into a general "Overview" subsection. The Track Information formatting that I prefer serves mostly to have a neatly arranged space for notes on discography/different versions of songs ((Hirasawa sure loves rerecording stuff)), which I found to be the easiest part of the article to write. When it comes to the latter albums, most of the info on them has been generally divulged through Rittor Music's publications ("Keyboard Magazine" and "Sound & Recording Magazine"), they get pretty lengthy (the Gipnoza one was 20 pages long), none in English unfortunately.
 * I do get what you mean, and NO ROOM & Hirasawa Lyrics are the safest websites about Hirasawa info (I'd throw MODEROOM & Hirasawa's Twilog in too, but those aren't in English), but Japanese fansites generally seem to get their facts straight (considering that info like BLUE LIMBO being partially inspired by Cambodia and the Talbo strings being too thin to play "Visible Sea" are the type of stuff you find on fansites and such).
 * Yeah, when I wrote these articles originally it was more for setting up a foundation so that I could later expand on them, which I've never really gotten into much. Frankly, Karkador, the only one I didn't write by myself, is the best one around, and now I'm mostly worried with the P-MODEL articles more than the solo articles.
 * All the articles are in a "Work in Progress" state, I work on them on my free time (which has been diminishing over time) and really I should have done more preparation before starting them. The capitalization thing comes kinda from trying to read Japanese articles and the way capitalization can go both ways on the language (most P-MODEL albums, AURORA and TECHNIQUE OF RELIEF are set in all caps; Potpourri is all lowercase; ONE PATTERN, SIREN, ENOLA and BLUE LIMBO mix it up) and me just kinda getting used to seeing titles with mixed capitalization, which got a Wikipedia editor to crack down on my articles. The way I chose to write my articles generally came from other articles on Wikipedia about studio albums, which generally meant "everything" (I like to have a place where all the information about something is gathered, also, the general outlook that Wikipedia has seems to prize more info than less), and that did show an issue with lack to supplemental information to make the whole article flow together and for everything to connect well.

So, me and you have pretty different takes on what a good encyclopedic article about a Susumu Hirasawa album would be like. I will keep your points in mind (although I can't say I would consider the fourth) when I eventually get to those pages.

About getting in contact: Do you have a Tumblr account? I won't spell out what mine's exact link is (there's various reasons behind that), but if you see a post about gear on the sidebar... Wunkt2 (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

About these new points:
 * What I have in mind would be something like, say, describe in detail what these terms are supposed to mean in a page when it would be relevant: "Tubular Hertz" could go in on the AURORA ILS subsection, or on Hirasawa's main page under instrument sections, "SP-2" could go on the Sim City, if the whole "Hirasawa used to call them "Shemale"/"Okama", then he started calling them "Kathoey", and now he calls them "SP-2", an abbreviation of the Thai word "Saopraphetson"" thing ever gets brought up. When mentioning these in other articles, links to Kathoey and Experimental musical instrument could be put up to give a general meaning. "ASOK", in the general Hirasawa "world" only really exists on the SIREN ILS (it's a Thai song that was incorporated into the ILS story, kinda like "Falling Rain" and "SEH LE MAO") so, yeah.
 * The goggles thing came as the mention about the cage performance thing, which wasn't the only way Hirasawa performed the show with. IIRC, he was in the chair for ELECTRIC LIGHT BATHING, and then by On Line Malaysia he was in the cage (I don't have the ILS, the channel that had the live performance on YouTube went under, Chaos Union took down most of the show from NicoNico, and the old Columbia website doesn't have screencaps of the exact performance.
 * Universal used a "|" on the Archetype subtitle, which Wikipedia doesn't support on article titles. Album infoboxes don't support that, but I could put compilation information under the "Release history" subsection. Remixes/Rerecording/Rearrangements will have to stay, a large part of Hirasawa's work is how he pulls off new arrangements of older material.
 * For recording I'm working off of what I have. I don't have those albums, so I can't check their liner notes. Japanese Wikipedia lists recording studios for some Hirasawa albums, while others don't. Sim City gets it, SIREN doesn't, but Hirasawa mentioned the recording locations here, so that's that.
 * Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "scan". Anyway, the case for all caps is, Hirasawa wrote out his discography, in japanese and in english, in the mid-90s for his personal GHOST WEB website. These translations were carried over to NO ROOM's discography section, and are still being used, if you look on the back of his DVDs, the tracklisting in english is pretty much those translations, mixing all types of capitalization. For SIREN, the album title and Japanese words were rendered out in all caps, while the titles natively in english were rendered in standard capitalization.
 * Thing about critical reception is, for that I would need magazines from the time periods each album came out on and a better grasp on the japanese language than what I already have, I have found some Hirasawa-related magazine scans, but album reviews I think I only saw for the "Post-Tanaka" P-MODEL period, its absence come from a lack of material really. The information I put on each album article I focus on relevance to what the albums are about.
 * I'm a big information nut, I love to discover stuff and share it with others. Personally, for me the fun of the Hirasawa mystique come when you try to find the meaning of his lyrics. As a side note, Tumblr designs that don't let you send a message to the url owner directly are a pain :P Wunkt2 (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Tumblr is a pain, didn't send my messages. "Electronic Ship Visit Angya" was the Fune tour, you can see reports here (kinda wish Columbia would have released whatever material from these shows they had when they reissued their Hirasawa/P-MODEL catalog). I don't think Hirasawa used a video camera in any of the shows, but he did use it in the Non-Locality LIVE shows (you'll need a NicoNico account to see the digest, the uploader didn't make it available to NicoViewer). "Non-Locality LIVE" got a video release, but there was a catch to getting it (I think it was a gift that you got only by either subscribing to GREEN NERVE in later 1997-early'98 or by joining in in the 1997 World Inspection Tour to Bali), it's quality is almost-bootleg level (from what I can tell, it's one guy with a camera in the audience and Hirasawa's video camera footage spliced in when he brings it out, which I think is only in one song), the footage in itself was processed to have a rough feel. Also, one song is in color and the rest is in B&W (ever seen a live performance of ASHURA CLOCK in B&W on YouTube? It's from this tape). All that aside, I wish Hirasawa would reissue it...Wunkt2 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

English is my second language, so any edits to make sentences sound natural are welcome. The 2553 bit was there in part because I think PHONON 2553 VISION would be better off as an 80 minute CD with Planet Roll Call songs cut out, partly because the similarity between live & studio performances is so very 1:1 it's almost like you're buying PRC when you buy P2553V. I'd imagine that had Hirasawa held a PHONON 2557 show instead of diving directly into KAKU P-MODEL, half the setlist would be TSotFoP material. One general issue I have is a tendency to derail from a main topic (you can see this happen on most of the threads on the Hirasawa subreddit), I've been trying to correct this on the article pages now. About info that normally wouldn't be part of the main body of the article, pages like Selling England by the Pound & The Dark Side of the Moon have a notes subsection for information like that. I've considered this approach for KARKADOR & the P-MODEL s/t articles, but now I'm holding on to find more info about these albums before extensively editing them.Wunkt2 (talk) 15:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Trimming Hirasawa pages
Thanks for taking the initiative, I've been so close to them now that I don't think I could pull it off well (some segments I've long disliked I can tackle, however). One issue I've had is that your edits over the individual album articles act under the idea that they'll be read sequentially by everybody, when that may not necessarily be the case; I'd rather keep trilogy info on each album's page.

There's two "notoriety" cases I want to be kept: the original paragraph about Paprika on the Byakkoya page, since its notable info that's not present elsewhere in this site; and the covers on In a Model Room, as Polysics are internationally known and directly influenced by Hirasawa and that Vocaloid covers album came on the heels of a certified gold Vocaloid covers album that had Girl in Byakkoya in it.

One last thing regarding this: I don't get why song notes on all post-1994 albums are cut while Gipnoza passes unscathed & Vistoron keeps one. Could you explain why?

Not related but relevant to this site: I've considered adding this and this to his pages, but I have no idea how to without it feeling odd. Any ideas? Wunkt2 (talk) 23:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's been an issue. I've gotten one other fan to help me on occasion with rewrites but that's about it.

The trilogy ones were carried over from JP Wikipedia & I've seen them corroborated on some online stores like Tower Records.

I've found by personal experience/research that Paprika in particular was a point of massive exposure for Hirasawa, and it opened him up to the Vocaloid fandom. There's a Vocaloid covers album with a version of Girl in Byakkoya that went gold in Japan & I've been considering adding that somewhere.

The thing about samples is that the recycling of melodies/sections/sampling is an intrinsic aspect of Hirasawa's song-making process, so I tend to add them since that is "a thing" of his.

That article I'm interested in less for the content but because it's western coverage of the guy. A big fear I've had is that his pages get marked for deletion for lack of coverage of that type and whatnot.

I've looked through some of your article revisions and while I've liked some of them, you did cut some info I feel is necessary. People talking retrospectively about what each album aimed for, for example, which is info also widely present in articles elsewhere on Wikipedia. I am currently busy with other musts, so any edits will come at a later date. I'll look at them case by case, consult with others about what should be kept in certain situations, and rewrite what needs to be rewritten to be at a better standard (most likely the majority of what I'll reinstate).Wunkt2 (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the ILS info to the pages. ILS stuff is crucial to the albums as Hirasawa takes clear pride in them & diverts a lot more effort & care to them than some of his albums (Technique of Relief & Philosopher's Propeller were made with their ILSs as priority). I would have added some of that info to the wikia, but the editing tools available for that kind of site are just overall not user-friendly and personally I find it a waste of time having to deal with that one's limitations. Also I personally would have made the Scuba page with some info on it besides infoboxes, as it is right now I can't add much to it and fear that it will be deleted if kept like that for too long.Wunkt2 (talk) 01:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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