User talk:Myrtlegroggins

Welcome
Thanks Jac, will do my best.

Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Some delectable tea for you!
Thankyou so much, kind Writ Keeper! Myrtle.


 * Don't give up on your good work Myrtle, and you can always come to us (Teahouse!) for support. heather walls (talk) 02:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Heather, good to know all the nice folk at Teahouse are there. :-) Myrtle.
 * Hello Myrtle. You made a worthwhile effort to copyedit at Alessandra Kersevan and tried to remove some POV language. You mentioned your difficulties with this article in a note at the Teahouse. After examining the other editor's revert, I posted a warning to him. If you are inclined to do further work on this article, you should feel free to call on admins if you see any more attempts to restore language which is not neutral or is badly sourced. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ed, Thanks for your note. Much appreciated. I'm going to leave it a little while and then go back to the page after I chat with the other editor and have a read around the topic. Regards, Myrtle.

Dropping by...
Hi, I'm just dropping by to say Hi. I noticed you at the Teahouse, and then saw that you're also on the Guild of Copy Editors list of new members. I just joined myself. The May drive sounds like fun, but my DIL and grandson will be in town for three weeks, so I bet I'm not on the computer quite as much then. I haven't seen them since Christmas.

When I saw your name I immediately thought of Remington Steele -- are you a fan, or did the name come from someplace else? Happy editing. Tlqk56 (talk) 22:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Marita Solberg - thanks
Hello Myrtlegroggins. You did a really nice job on Marita Solberg, and in future I'm going to follow your example of how to deal with musician articles that go into excessive detail about individual performances. I hope you won't mind, but I've changed the template you placed on its talk page from GOCEreviewed, which means that we've looked at the article and don't think it ready for copy editing, to GOCE, which means that we've done the needed copy edit. You have, so that's the right template. It doesn't need a signature, as the editor's username goes inside the template itself.

Thanks again. --Stfg (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Stfg! Nice to meet you. Thank you very much for explaining about the difference in the templates. I think I've been adding the wrong one all over the place. Deary me! I'll go back and change them over. I'm glad you liked the edit.

Cheers, Myrtlegroggins (talk) 03:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Village pump post
Looks like you accidentally deleted your post after making it. I fixed the article issue you brought though. You had bullet points (asterisks *) before each nav box (what you refer to as category boxes). They're meant to be placed without those, that's why they looked all screwy.  Equazcion  ( talk )  07:32, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Many thanks Equazcion. I appreciate your help very much. I learn something wiki-ish every day. Sincerely, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Episodes are in quotation marks, like songs
Not in cursive. --Niemti (talk) 06:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okey. Got it. Sorry for the mistake. Will go and correct. Thanks Niemti, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Also there was no "historical" Merlin (probably), there is no reason for sentences to be that short, on Wikipedia words such as "didn't" should be "did not" unless they're being quoted, and so on. Copy edit after a copy edit. Also, it's "okay"... --Niemti (talk) 07:19, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your assistance and advice, Niemti. Also, it's "okey", short for the colloquial term "okey-dokey" :-) Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Updated Benboulaïd
Thank you for copy-editing article "Mustapha Benboulaïd" for the other details. The early deaths of those guys had shocked me, so I lost track. I re-added the wp:autosizing of images, and italicized the French phrases. His young death shocked me, but I when I saw your edit as "(age 95)" then I was relieved to think that, perhaps, he had lived a long life instead, but the template parameters were mixed, and I corrected the {Death date and age}, which really noted "(age 39)". Those events are very sad, as I also read about his friend, "Krim Belkacem". -Wikid77 (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is incredibly sad - and never seems to stop. Why is life held in such cheap regard? All I can think is that the answer lies with education of the next generation - not with just facts but with training in logic, philosophy and so on. Maybe education is where WP can help. I hope so.
 * Thanks for your help with the article. i'm going back to learn how you made the changes so I can improve.
 * i hope today is a happy editing day for you. Warm regards, MyrtleMyrtlegroggins (talk) 22:01, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Tea House
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I think it's time
Time to finally fix up all the ninjutsu articles. Tomorrow i'm going to start with Hatsumi, then go on to Takamatsu and then Toda. Then either Bujinkan or Modern School of Ninjutsu. After that, i'll have to see. But it's finally time to fix up all these articles, make them look good and, most important of all, make them neutral and without either the positive pontification or the negative histrionics. Silver seren C 03:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Silverseren, Thanks for your note. I agree with you entirely. The two opinions, positive and negative can still be presented in as much detail as anyone would like but they need to be identified as opinions and supported with evidence. WP is only as helpful to people in the future as its current standards. Please let me know if you would like me to do anything to help - I'd be more than happy to contribute. I'll back you up 100%, Myrtle.

Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Have a Bit of FUN
Howdy, Myrtle. It's great to see you jump right in and improve some Wikipedia articles. When you need a break, have a bit of Wikifun; check out Pluma's Fun stuff to pretty up your user page. Some are important, too. For example, if you are read and write in other languages, adding the appropriate Babel userbox automatically adds you to a list of editors with language skills. Most Userboxes are just for fun, to tell visitors a bit about yourself quickly. Hope you enjoy and take care, DocTree (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

2012 CR Vasco da Gama season
Hello, Myrtle. It's great that the page is the best possible readable in English. But, as I'm a most editor of the page, I would like to stay in the same format. At the same time, because I'm a Brazilian Carioca and a Portuguese speaker and don't have much knowledge of English (I mean the very basic), a help in a translation is a great, ok? BalbinoFelipe (talk) 03:40, 05 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Balbino. Keeping the format as you would like is no problem. Let me know if you would like any assistance with translation. Regards, Myrtle.

Please stick with it
Hello Myrtle,

I could see, from your comments at the Teahouse, that you are feeling a bit frustrated. My guess is that the other editor was acting in good faith, but was acting too quickly, without examining your contributions carefully enough. I hate to see new women editors discouraged by an occasional negative response. In my opinion, you are exactly the kind of editor we need most, someone willing to take on an article on a fringe topic, and work to make it more neutral. This work can be tough, but it can be very rewarding. You will need a thick skin and a good understanding of our policies and guidelines. But if you stick with it, you can make exceptionally valuable contributions here. We need you. Feel free to ask me questions at any time. Thanks.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thankyou Cullen. I was thinking the quick revert was because the editing was all wrong and the other editor was very angry with me. But from what you say perhaps that is not it at all. I got into the same bind with a page about Nijitsu a while back. I love copy editing and I believe in Wikipedia so thankyou for the support. I will definitely accept any constructive criticism with gratitude. Myrtle (all calm now) Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:36, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Jalaluddin Surkh-Posh Bukhari
Ah, we meet again :-); I began copyediting this article because it had a copyedit tag. As I suggested before on my talk page, would you please remove the tag (or use GOCEinuse—your choice, just so I know someone's already working on it without having to check the edit history) before you start a copyedit? You can have this one this time, and I'll do another. Thanks and all the best,  Mini  apolis  00:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * oh, hello again. Ok, sure. I always check the edit history and talk page before I start and I assumed others would too but it's easy to remove the tag as well. Happy editing! :-) Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 03:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Keep up the good work!

 * Hi Kerry! Merry Christmas! - see you soon, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Magicians of Xanth
While you are at it, please disambiguate flashbacks to flashbacks. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, thanks for that.:-)Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Oral rehydration therapy
Thank for your work regarding Oral rehydration therapy. If you have time, there's an issue where some publications recommend 1 teaspoon salt and 6 teaspoons sugar per liter water whereas others recommend only 1/2 teaspoon salt (along with 6 teaspoons sugar). I think we should probably include sources recommending both. Please take a look at this if you have the time and interest. Thanks. Cool Nerd (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Nerd. Thanks for your message. I am interested to work this out and have an explanation. One thing that occurs to me is to look to see whether the small change in salt has any clinical impact. I'll look into it for sure. Cheers, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've made some changes trying to hit the high points sooner. Please feel free to change them back or experiment.  I view it very much as a work in progress.


 * With the differing ORS recipes, I think there's a difference. I mean, it's twice as much salt.  But even more than that, I don't want us to put ourselves in a position of making clinical judgments.  All we can do is pull from WHO, CDC, and other well-regarded publications and summarize in straightforward fashion, at least as it seems to me.  And I am not a doctor, I want to be clear about that.  Cool Nerd (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Cool Nerd, hi again, If you have a moment, could you have a look and see that I have kept all the points you wanted to include? Regards, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 08:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Okay, you've asked if it's kept all the points? No, I'm sorry. I'd rather not use the valuable real estate of the opening paragraph on the history. I'd rather discuss what ORT is right now, including that it's more than just the solution itself.

Now, this said, I am in favor of experimentation and continued research. So, yes, I'm in favor of trying things. And it is remarkable that ORT is (widely?) regarded as one of the most relevant health advances (the last thirty years?). But I still do want the right now. Unfortunately, it will probably be the middle of the week before I can put a good chunk of time in it. Cool Nerd (talk) 22:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Cool Nerd, I appreciate and I admire how invested you are in this article. I feel that you see it in your mind's eye in a very particular way. However, I'm honestly not seeing a great deal of willingness to compromise on your part at the moment, especially when it comes to adopting an encyclopaedic structure for the article, so I'll wish you happy editing and move on. My only other suggestions would be firstly, to try to avoid too many direct quotes and a "how to" tone in the article and also try to avoid overly long sentences for the sake of readability. Kind regards, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Myrtle, you said you were going to graciously bow out. Actually, I'd rather you be in there helping.  I think there are some real issues that well warrant some additional research.  Cool Nerd (talk) 22:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi there. When I did the copy edit, I read the available scientific literature and it seemed to me that the main concepts were covered in the article. Perhaps you can explain again what you feel are the unresolved issues? Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, the differing recipes, whether the fluid itself and starting early is by far the most important part, because some contexts really emphasize the zinc (and maybe the continued eating as well), the JAMA editorial that the original compromise has been pushed to the breaking point. Specially, that the reduced-osmolarity solution, whereas it's okay and certainly better than nothing, is not the best formula for adults with cholera. This editorial is now almost ten years old. I would hope that there's been some work and some investigation since then, but maybe not. Again, I am not a doctor. I am just very interested in these issues. Cool Nerd (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand your concerns. Perhaps I can help by giving some practical background experience and expertise. With respect to differing recipes: there could be several explanations - for instance, the advice given to the SA soccer folk might have been directed towards unwell adult sports tourists whereas, the WHO is more concerned with feeble sick children in refugee camps - so, differing recipes for differing potential patient groups; or, there are errors or elements of misinformation about - this is possible, not everyone is lovely and precise as you or I :-). If we take the case of parents making up an ORT fluid, they will use what they have available at the time to save their child's life, even boiled rice water.


 * The differences in the recipes that you have noted are not likely to have any major clinical impact. Yes, the amount of sugar may be double that of in another, but, when mixing a half or one teaspoon of sugar in 1000 ml water, the difference in the overall concentration (as a *portion* of the much greater amount of water) is is minimal. If it were a half or one teaspoon of sugar in 10 or 100 ml water, it would be a very different case. In a real world sense, these differences are able to be tolerated. I think I did point out in my copy edit the existence of different recipes.


 * With respect to the fluid versus the adjuncts (eating and zinc), I can, without any doubt, say that however a previous document is written or seems to say, the fluid is definitely the most important element in preventing deaths from cholera. If a baby or child is dehydrated from the fluid lost in the diarrhoea, no amount of feeding or zinc supplementation will make any difference to whether the child lives or dies. There is good physiological reasoning behind this and no one would ever do a head to head trial of food and or zinc versus ORT fluid because to do so would be a criminal act. I can't say strongly enough that the article must *not* suggest in any way or form that the ORT fluid is not the most important element.


 * If I understand correctly, the 'reduced osmolality' data was used specifically to provide manufacturing guidelines for the pre-prepared powders. True, in the future, the manufacturing guidelines may take account of differing patient groups as you suggest and be revised again. However, Wiki can only say what is true of today, that's the nature of an encyclopaedia. It can't speculate what might be determined to be right or wrong in the future.


 * To move forward, I think we need to first carefully look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSINTRO#Introductory_text and work on the lead of the article, probably combining both our concepts of what it should be.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the part with the differing recipes refers to salt. Some recommend one teaspoon (and not only the pamphlet for the World Cup), and some recommend one-half. Looking at it one way, it's double the amount. Looking at it from the other direction, it's a reduction of 50%. I'm not at all ready to say this doesn't matter.

I personally agree with you that starting the fluid early and often is the single most important thing, but. . we've got to go with the references. And diving into the references with a specific question, even a very good specific question, that is often harder than one might think.

I really like the approach with writing, assume my reader is slightly smarter than I am. They just don't happen to know this particular information. So, I don't need to talk down to them or overexplain in any manner. I can just present the information in a very straightforward manner. So, even a parent with little formal information, with what affects their child, the parent is likely to be very smart indeed. And this parent is likely to have a healthy interplay between officialdom information and facts on the ground so to speak, perhaps a healthier interplay than I have. Again, they're slightly smarter, I try to approach it that way.

I think an introduction becomes a no man's land that few people read. Whereas with the lead, as long it's well-written without too much repetitive information, people will keep reading it. Cool Nerd (talk) 19:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, good luck with it. I'll put our discussion on the talk page of the article so everyone can see where you are up to with the collaboration side of things. Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 21:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Jeez, that will need a copy-edit after your copy-edit
Never start any sentences from "Also". ("Also, support from the United States was expected but did not eventuate.")

Don't post any single-sentence paragraphs.

Don't write awkward sentences such as "In southern Iraq, Iraqi Army troops (Shia conscripts) and anti-regime groups such as the Islamic Dawa Party and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) rebelled."

"The uprisings were precipitated by the perception that the rule of the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein, was weak." -???? What? It was hisvpower being weakened, not his rule weak (it was anything but weak, he was a 'strongman', for many years killing off any oposition.)

Don't post change things into factually incorrect and misleading "The uprisings gained momentum when these events were reported in the news and Bush made his radio broadcast.[13]" - receiving news is not the same as "reported in the news", and by now you should know that the radio broadcasts came first.

And so on. Like it should be always "Saddam", not just "Hussein"; Hussein was in Jordan. Don't change the titlesn in the references. It's BBC News, not "BBC news". And so many other things that were correct but you turn into errors. --Niemti (talk) 13:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

You turned the infobox into total chaos, too. Please start again all over. --Niemti (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Niemti, hello. Your comments are harsh but valid and I appreciate your feedback very much. I'm working hard to improve and I have learnt the lesson that I should not "save" until everything is completely correct because a 'work in progress' disturbs people such as yourself. I will "start over" as you say, reverting to before I made any changes. Just to satisfy my own curiosity, are you American? The section title and your tone suggest you are. Kind regards and thank you once again, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Niemti, hello again. Now I am confused. I went to look at the article's revision history and I noticed you were doing work on the article at the end of January but you had not removed the copy edit request tag. How is that? I see you have reverted back to how you like the article and as I have no interest in the topic, I'll leave you to it. Once again, yours etc. Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Had a read of Niemti's talk page this morning - I feel poor Niemti has a lot of confrontation and little wiki-love. Does the GOCE Tea House make a decent espresso coffee? And, by the way, how do I order a "flat white" in America? Have a good day, everyone, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry about my recent edit to Video game controversies. I hope it didn't mess you up. I didn't realize there was a major cleanup going on... -Thibbs (talk) 13:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No problem!! :-) Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Video Game Controversies
For what it may be worth, I think you've done a bang up job on the "video game controversies" page which was desperately in need of copyediting. Well done! Avalongod (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Avalongod, thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate your encouragement. Happy editing and best to you, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 05:15, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Agricultural Research Organization (ARO) - Volcani Center
Hi Myrtle! I just wanted to touch bases on the above linked article. Firstly, thanks for working on the article. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If you have questions or don't understand the identified issue, please contact the editor who recognized the concern and placed the templates. More than happy to help or answer questions anytime. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk ) 02:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cindy, Thankyou for your note, very much. I didn't get back to finish resolving the problems as quickly as I would have liked to, so mea culpa++. Just so I am sure (and please note I know nothing about the topic of the article - I found this article on the copyedit needed list at GOCE), the templates say:
 * 1. "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. (March 2014)."
 * I think it probably does but I can fix this with better references?
 * 2. "This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral. (March 2014)"
 * This too should be fixed with better references?
 * 3. "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: image formatting, captions, italics, embedded links; see WP:MOS. (March 2014)"
 * I don't understand the concern with the image formatting or captions? I'm about half way through fixing the article's embedded links and I'll check the MOS for italics again.
 * 4. "The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten. (March 2014)" and "This article's lead section may not adequately summarize key points of its contents. (March 2014)".
 * Not sure about these. Too short? I agree it is concise. That would be easier to fix when the rest of the article is corrected. I usually do that last.
 * 5. "This article may have too many links to other articles, and could require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (March 2014)."
 * I agree there are a lot of links but I was making them for someone like me who has no knowledge of agricultural science. I agree more cleanup needs to be done and I was going to get back to it as soon as I could.
 * Not sure about these. Too short? I agree it is concise. That would be easier to fix when the rest of the article is corrected. I usually do that last.
 * 5. "This article may have too many links to other articles, and could require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (March 2014)."
 * I agree there are a lot of links but I was making them for someone like me who has no knowledge of agricultural science. I agree more cleanup needs to be done and I was going to get back to it as soon as I could.
 * I agree there are a lot of links but I was making them for someone like me who has no knowledge of agricultural science. I agree more cleanup needs to be done and I was going to get back to it as soon as I could.

If it is ok, I would like to keep working on the article. (I am GMT+10 so not likely to be awake if someone in the US of UK wishes to discuss, so not being rude in not replying immediately.) Kind regards, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 04:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, girl, I don't take your reply or lack as rude at all! We all have real lives. And we all need to sleep. I went ahead and did a major cleanup on this article, before I saw your note here. I've gone back and forth with the article creator to no end. I tried to give some feedback, but it was either misunderstood or disregarded. I had some time today, so I jumped in to help. I figure some people learn by seeing examples and whatnot. If you have questions, please feel free to drop me a line. One of the primary things to remember is not to remove the maintenance templates until after the issues are addressed. In essence, the templates place the article in a queue, much like you found at GOCE. When the templates were removed, this removed the article from the specific queues. We have a lot of bad articles slip through the cracks. Who needs another? Anyway, hope you are doing well. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk ) 08:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Cindy, Thank you so much for your help. I'm taking your notes carefully on board for the future and I saw the great changes you made on the ARO page. I definitely won't remove the tags first (even if I intend to address all the issues) I can see now how that is a problem. I hope you have a lovely day and many hours of happy editing, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 08:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A.L.Steiner
Hi Myrtle,

Thank you for the edit to A.L.Steiner's page though her name is actually just signed A.L. —I don't know what the initials stand for but "Aisha Khalilah" is actually the birth name of her collaborator A.K. Burns. I am editing this back to be just A.L.Steiner.

Thanks again!Morelcasares (talk) 01:43, 29 March 2014 (UTC)morelcasares

Hi! Thank you for your note and thank you for your corrections! I'm very sorry for any inconvenience. Have a great day, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Agricultural Research Organization - Volcani Center
Hi Myrtlegroggins! I see you have also been working on the Volcani page - thanks for the help! Not sure why cindamuse thought I was dis-respecting her - I removed content and replaced it according to her comments and issues, but she was right, I guess I did need to see an example. In any event, I did A LOT of work on the page today. I added about a billion references (OK, 30, but who's counting), the vast majority to outside sources - books, journal articles, newspaper articles, websites. I also tried to format the references correctly, but if you have a chance to check my work, that will be great, as I am still learning this stuff. It seems to me now that no one could question either Volcani's notability or the quality of the citations, so I removed these issue notes. Please, let me know what you think, e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ergraber, I think as first step, we should put all the discussions about the article on the talk page. I'm going to do that now (and I should have done it before). Then we can move forwards to make it a really great article. Regards, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 21:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Agricultural Research Organization - Volcani Center
Hi Myrtlegroggins - I moved some other talk between Cindamuse and me into the Agri talk page. If you have no objections, I will leave you to deal with the new issues that have come up for now; you have a lot more experience than me. I can understand if the formatting still wasn't good, but I can't understand why these issues are still featuring:

The vast majority of the references (>75%) are now third-party sources, and they can all be verified by clicking on the links and reading them. They were not invented for the occasion. Do you know what is not satisfactory? Thanks, e1baa340@opayq.com (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ergraberle, Sure, no problem. I had a look this evening at the article again and tweeked a few things. I'll have a look at the sources too when I have a moment. Regards, Myrtle G. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 15:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Video Game Controversies
I wonder if you might be willing to take a look back at the Video Game Controversies article again. I've been kind of both working and fighting, haha, with DavidA about changes to the page. We both have some strong opinions I think and see things different, and even read some articles differently. Anyway, I know you did a lot of work on the page recently and I thought it looked pretty good when you had gotten through with it. So I'd appreciate your having a look at it and the various edits. I think I'll take a step back from it as I don't think going back and forth endlessly with DavidA will help the page much. It probably needs some fresh eyes though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.165.246 (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi there. Certainly, I'd be glad to have a look and see if there are any suggestions I can make. I'm glad my copy edit has led to people such as yourself being able to carry the page forward. Please know I have no special interest in video games - I can't even play them with out falling over with vertigo! Regards, Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:31, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Since you seem much better at summarising than I am, could you please take a look at the "Public Debate" section. It seems unnecessarily long and clumsy. Thanks. David A (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * For sure, but it might take me a little while because I am flat out work wise at the moment. Regards, Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 06:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Sorry about being a bother. David A (talk) 10:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Honestly, no bother :-) Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about being a bother, but the legal case mentioned here, which I just added a comment to, is also mentioned more extensively here. But it all seems out of place crammed into the fMRI science section. Would it be acceptable if I moved all of it to the mention in the government legislation section? David A (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I made a preliminary edit here. Please check if this is acceptable, and othervise you can change it back. Thanks. David A (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Kudumbi
Are the footnotes at Kudumbi satisfactory now?--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay - I've been away. They look very beautiful indeed! Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Brisbane meetup
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Hi there, it was lovely to meet you at today's meetup! As discussed, I've created a discussion page for our next meetup at Meetup/Brisbane/9. Ideas and discussion are of course very welcome. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC).
 * Hi. I really enjoyed the meeting - first time meeting other editors. Cheers, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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Adoni
It is not the capital of Adoni mandal, mandala have headquarters, check reference.--Vin09 (talk) 08:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know and sorry for any inconvenience. Are you happy for me to continue the copyedit?Myrtlegroggins (talk) 09:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes go ahead. Thanks for responding. Cheers.--Vin09 (talk)
 * And to you. Please let me know if I make any more slips. regards, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I undid one of your edit on demographics section at Adoni, census was not recorded at adoni, also urban agglomeration info was also restored, I don't know why you corrected cited reference. The section was proper, it may require minor edit but not major, any issue Ping me.--Vin09 (talk) 09:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I was looking for consistency in the citation style and as it read it wasn't clear in which defined district the count was made - was it just the town or a district of the same name? What does the "urban agglomeration" refer to? It has to be clear to someone reading about Adoni who has never been there or does not know about specific Indian terms. Can you help? I do hope so. Regards, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 09:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can link it to urban agglomeration page, see all other pages you can understand.--Vin09 (talk) 09:43, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's good - I will do that. I copy edited the section again with what you said in mind. Would you like to have a look and see if everything is ok? Myrtle. 09:47, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Myrtlegroggins Please explain why you changed the Hellmuth Kolbe article. Regards, Marcel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schneidex (talk • contribs) 10:10, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Marcel,

Certainly. There were a few different reasons: the article came up on a list of articles needing copyediting and so I was working to be able to remove that tag; secondly, the layout and the tone needed to be more encyclopaedic (for example, there was too much information in the image captions); and thirdly, one could argue as to how much detail on the subject is appropriate but I hope the article is in a good basic shape for future improvements. I think there were some parts that were lacking appropriate citations. Was there something in particular which concerned you? Please let me know so we can continue to improve the article, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Myrtlegroggins One can argue about every article. This is no excuse. My version was based on interviews with many people and was supported by them, especially by Mrs. Kolbe and the Kolbe family, and other experts in audio recording and technology. It is now a castrated article where many important items are missing. Everything was carefully cited, btw. It seems to me (and others) your interest is more in formally nice looking articles than in those containing valuable information. In this case we all prefer no article at all over just nice looking ones. Marcel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schneidex (talk • contribs) 17:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Marcel, I am going to move our discussion to the Hellmuth Kolbe article talk page so it will be archived in the correct space.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Myrtlegroggins, All of the persons who knew Hellmuth Kolbe and even have worked with him are appalled about your non-constructive, incompetent and fraudulent intrusion in this Bio about him. I am speaking in the name of Mrs. Ursula Kolbe, her two sons and their families, of Hans Leonhard (a longtime partner of Kolbe), of Paul Zwicky who knew him well, of Walter Stutz who worked with him, of August P. Villiger, ex-director of CBS records Switzerland, and of Markus Erne and his colleagues from the Audio Engineering Society – in particular Jim Brown – who wrote the Eulogy in JAES 2002. All of them would never interfere without consultation with the people concerned and rewrite articles written by others and rewrite them according to their pleasure and obviously with the intention of showing how profound they are in corrupting the work of others. This is plagiarism in its purest form and clearly shows the character of such a person. We can only repeat: We do not approve such behavior and would rather have no article in Wikipedia about Hellmuth Kolbe then such an unfriendly rewrite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schneidex (talk • contribs) 08:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Marcel, I have archived your comments at the Hellmuth Kolbe talk page and replied there. MyrtleMyrtlegroggins (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Myrtle. We share an interest in copyediting and I don't seen any GOCE stuff on your talk page, so I'm inviting you to check out the Guild of Copy Editors. It's a good, drama-free group; we have bimonthly backlog-reduction drives and one-week blitzes, and can always use help with the requests list. Stop by and join our mailing list if you're interested. Have fun and all the best,  Mini  apolis  22:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mineapolis, Thankyou for the kind invite and for saying hello. I did join GOCE a while back but I will gladly sign up for the newsletter. That will be good. I use a very random system of selecting an article to ce from the list at GOCE. And the very best to you, Myrtle :-) Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It'll be good to have you around, Myrtle. Everyone works differently; I prefer the structure of a backlog to plug away at, and the drives and blitzes keep boredom at bay. All the best,  Mini  apolis  14:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * and you, Min, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 08:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi again, Myrtle. I noticed in the history of Gawai Dayak that you're doing a major copyedit, which is great. Would you please remove the Copy edit tag from the lead? That would take it off the backlog (which is very large), so editors can work on other articles. Thanks and all the best,  Mini  apolis  20:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Miniapolis. Certainly, no problem at all. I thought I had to wait till I had finished to do that but I will do it now for sure. It is a very long winded article! (Also, I put my name on the mailing list). Thanks for the heads up, regards and have a great weekend, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes—I was going to do that article (trimming a lot of fat :-)) but I checked the history, saw you were working on it and picked another article. I remove the tag when I start a copyedit (noting that in the edit summary) after checking the history to see if someone else is already copyediting it; it helps prevent two copyeditors working at cross-purposes. Have fun and all the best,  Mini  apolis  13:40, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your truly excellent work on the Karl May article. I made a pass through that article years ago and though I had done a complete job but it is obvious that it need the keen and critical eye of such an excellent editor as yourself. I hope you are never discouraged and always manage to survive the rough and tumble of Wikipedia as it can be very discouraging at times. We desperately need people like you. Thank you and best wishes. Zedshort (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Zedshort, what a lovely kind message to write. Thank you. You have made my day. With warm regards and happy editing, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 20:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Nice to meet you the other day! If you have a spare moment, I would love to see you do some copy editing of two articles that I have been involved with and which sit at the border of public health and sanitation. There is this one: helminthiasis and this one: mass deworming. Just in case you have some spare time and and interest in sanitation-related topics. ;-) Here is also a link to our WikiProject Sanitation that is closely linked to many health topics: WikiProject_Sanitation. EvMsmile (talk) 01:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


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I have been on WP for some time now. I am a heavy-handed and bold editor with a strong sense of when things are poorly expressed and cannot resist the temptation to straighten the convoluted writing I find on WP in abundance. Unfortunately, I have trouble, from time to time, with people who seem to be squatting upon articles that refuse to allow my edits. Have you had such trouble? Personally, I am very open to others edits and welcome them. I am most definitely not a territorial type of person. But I detest rule quoting and have never resorted to calling in the "authorities" to assist in a dispute. Perhaps it is time I learn to work the levers of WP. What to do? Zedshort (talk) 21:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Nice to hear from you. :-) Yes, occasionally (as you can see reading above) I do hit a snag in my copyediting. There are different reasons for people to get angry. Sometimes it is because I have inadvertently made an honest mistake and the other person doesn't understand that.

Sometimes it is because the other editor is really involved with the article. They feel like they have done a great job and anything else is no good. If after a conversation, I don't achieve any collaboration, I wish them well, leave a tag and move on to something else (WP is a really big place).

Sometimes, people don't understand what encyclopaedic tone is and they feel I am being heartless and harsh in the copy edit. If the article is clearly promotional, or just plain wrong, I look for help with other editors with an interest in the subject, like a project page, or I go to the Teahouse for advice - the hosts are really helpful.

Looking at myself, no one in the world can "make" me angry or frustrated because those are "my" emotions. Just staying really chilled is good and taking plenty of time over a conversation helps. It sounds funny but there is something good in every situation.

With respect to the editing, I try to think what was the person who wrote the convoluted sentence really trying to convey. They took the time to write it down so it must mean something. I try to preserve the essence of what they wanted to record and that seems to go ok.

And, even when I do all that It sometimes still goes all wrong! If I can ever lend a hand, let me know.

Best, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Nonito Donaire
Greetings. Per your copyedits to the lead (of which the article was sorely in need), it now reads with three consecutive instances of "He is" to begin a sentence. I don't have degree-level knowledge of English, but it looks a bit clunky to me. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Mac Dreamstate, Thank you and absolutely correct! I usually try to get a handle on the subject when copyediting (get the sentences down to 'tin tacks') and then go back to make the syntax flow well. It takes a little time to do but I'll pop off there right now and fix the lead. I'm afraid you might find the rest, as far as I have gone, clunky too but I promise I'm still working on it. Hope that is ok. Have a great day and thanks once again, Kind regards, Myrtle, Myrtlegroggins (talk) 20:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Much better and flows well now. Keep up the good work—anything will be an improvement on how the article looked before! Just a note on weight classes: there is an ongoing RfC at WikiProject Boxing which seems to have settled somewhat on maintaining lower case for weight classes. Therefore if you see any instances of them, along with the words "champion[ship]" and "title", being capitalised—e.g. "Super Bantamweight", "Super Flyweight"—please correct them too. It's becoming a real irritation across a plethora of boxing articles. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mac Dreamstate. I'll keep working on it. Please let me know if you see anything that is not correct. I'll remember to keep the classes with lower case. Cheers, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 06:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Mac, could you help me understand this: "The bout headlined the card titled "Pinoy Power 3." "? Myrtle Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, "Pinoy Power 3" was a series of fight cards featuring Filipino fighters as headliners. "Pinoy" being a masculine term of endearment for a fellow Filipino (I think). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Ah,.. many thanks for that. Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Question about D&D copy edit
I'm curious why you chose to italicize the proper names in the D&D module article Dragons of Triumph, in this copy edit. I usually take out italics of this kind. See WP:NAMES and MOS:ITALICS for guidance, and let me know if you have any questions.

Your use of italics and the addition of typos such as "It is was published" may have been the cause for a complete reversion by the IP editor instead of an edit that built upon your work. Whenever an edit of mine is treated this roughly and I notice, I try to go back to the article and figure out why. If I can't figure it out, I will sometimes inquire at the editor's talk page. That particular IP address has been used consistently to edit many game-related articles, so you might get a response. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:39, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonesey95, of course you are right. I guess I need a break - this afternoon I am a bit headachy and tired. You give very good advice. I will go back and fix it and try hard to collaborate. I admit I was getting a little confused with the proper names because they are not "of our world" like Myrtle or Canada. They are something of the fictional work then wrought into a sort of tool in a game that the players use. Trust me to make it too complex! :-) Sorry to have caused a problem. Thanks again so much, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Institute for Christian Studies
I am just finishing a c/e on this article, FYI. CheersTwofingered Typist (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, I am sorry - I didn't realize. (The article was still on the copy edit list and I just took it as the next one in the list.) I made a couple of changes to the lead but please feel free to revert. I'll leave you to it and happy copyediting. :-) Kind regards,  Myrtle.    Myrtlegroggins (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Your changes look fine. I'm sorry for the confusion. I have assumed that the "C/E" tag should not be removed until the edit is finished. I check the history page to see if anybody is actively editing the article and then proceed. Since the drive page registrants' articles are not displayed it would be a real job going through everyone's list to see who is doing what. From now on I'll follow your lead and put a note in the article's history that a C/E is underway. Again, my apologies for the mix-up. RegardsTwofingered Typist (talk) 22:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It is a bit of a problem sometimes isn't it? We need a temporary copy edit drive tag to add as soon as we pick one up :-) Cheers and have a good day, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I usually remove the copy edit tag and save the article first, before starting my copy edits. That prevents this particular problem. The only risk is that I'll get pulled away before I can complete the edit, but I manage to find a way to mitigate that. Thanks to both of you for your copious copy-edits! – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Heya Jonsey! Good morning! That is what I do too. I am hoping November will end soon because I think I have just about done my head in! ;-) I think next time I need to pace myself! Happy days, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your recent copy editing work on the helminthiasis article - much appreciated!! I've done a bit more work, trying to set up the table of contents so that it follows the standard template that was proposed by the WikiProject Medicine WP:MED. For this reason, I moved some of the headings down a level although in two cases I wasn't really sure where the best location would be (the section on helminth types causing infection and the section about neglected tropical diseases). Perhaps you could take another look, thanks. EvMsmile (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for all your great work at Thurston College - well done.Dan arndt (talk) 07:08, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dan. It was a long one! I'll be back there for a little fine tuning. Best to you and happy editing, Myrtlegroggins (talk) 07:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Renewable energy in the Philippines
Hello. I have seen that during your major copyedit you practically reverted my edits without notice. Links should be present only at the first occurrence of a word in an article, see WP:links. The lead is again too short and does not summarize the article, see WP:lead. So please before reverting edits without notice open a discussion on the talk page. Moreover, removing entire sections should be also firstly discussed. --Ita140188 (talk) 10:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. I addressed the problems with which the article had been tagged, especially over inclusion of specialist detail. The paragraphs removed were either unsourced conjecture, out of date or over inclusive. The article also needed some improvement in basic syntax and encyclopaedic tone. I'd suggest having another careful read through the copy edit in light of the above. Good luck to you, Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * ps I have copied our discussion to the article's talk page so future editors can see it.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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G'day. I hate to discourage people from having a go in various areas of WP, but... I see you had a go at copy-editing Boško Todorović, but without putting too fine a point on it, you need to re-read WP:LEAD. You've deleted quite a bit of information from the lead that is clearly provided and cited in the body. The lead is supposed to be a summary of the body. Your deletion of a bunch of material from the lead was done with an edit summary of "ce: adding detail and improving syntax for readers who are not familiar with the subject" which is misleading at best, and serves to camouflage downright vandalism at worst. Your "input" has been reverted. Given similar comments on your talk page, I suggest you take a break from copyediting until you have familiarised yourself with WP policies and guidelines. Frankly, given you've been here as long as I have, it worries me that you think this is ok. WP relies on competent copy-editors who know our policies and guidelines. Have a better one. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Part of the problem is, you did not wait until I had finished. Often the lead is best reviewed when the copy edit of the rest of the article is completed. I hope you can look at my changes and see that less convoluted sentences, with one idea per sentence, are easier to understand, especially if you area reader who is not an expert or a scholar in the field. Sadly, I see your comments as bullying and so I have moved this discussion to the talk page. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 08:22, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Chief, it is not bullying when people have a problem with your work. It is called feedback. Some of it is necessarily not positive, but that's part of life isn't it? Deal with it. In any case, your approach to c/e is problematic. You deleted material from the lead, that was properly cited in the body and was highly relevant to the subject and belonged in the lead. You need to take that on board. If you can't, or won't, you need to take a step back. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, specifically that, about the lead in a long article - I can take that on board and change the way I ce. You weren't to know that I always go back and ce the ce. Nevertheless, I feel that feedback can be given in a kind and constructive way but often it is given in a mean and unhelpful way. I would never say to another editor what you have said to me today in the way that you said it. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 08:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I've replied on the article talk page, but it is far from a long article, and I have never seen anyone copyedit an article the way you did there, in five years and more than 50,000 edits. I also don't apologise for being forthright, this is a fraught area of WP, and you need to know what you're doing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Peacemaker67, I have sought more advice and on reflection, I want to apologise for the inconvenience I have caused you today. In the future I will take much more care in explaining any changes I make. I did not mean any harm. I do hope you can get rid of the ce template from your article. Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Good luck with your copyediting. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Warfare in pre-colonial Philippines
Hi! Thanks for initiating a major rewrite of Warfare in pre-colonial Philippines, because goodness knows that page needs work. After reading through it carefully, though, I am beginning to realize that major sections explaining geography, political context, and level of technological development need to be added to it. Also, I feel the article is full of broad generalizations based on specific examples. Not to mention a few statements that look like conjecture, although that'd mean factchecking most of the assertions line by line. A major part of the problem is that the polities/settlements covered in this article weren't actually historically united, by government, language, or culture. What they do have in common is belonging to the Philippine archipelago (with geologically vague boundaries towards the south) and the present Philippine state. I'm not actually sure how to proceed with a cleanup, or even what to tag things with. Thought I'd give you a heads up before you did much more work. And also ask for suggestions as to how to proceed. :D Thanks, - Alternativity (talk) 10:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, I nearly forgot the thing that bothers me most: the outline itself seems very oriented towards a single large military force to me. The separate sections for service specializations/philosophies (infantry, cavalry, etc) are really throwing me off: I can't pinpoint the nonpresence of such terms in the military philosophies of the people groups in question... but I'm pretty sure their use misrepresents the level of specialization among the warriors among these peoples. I was gonna bring this up on the talk page, but I sort of wasn't ready for a rewrite. I saw you were gearing up for one, and wanted to coordinate. - Alternativity (talk) 10:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Update: I've made a bunch of changes to the article outline in preparation for expansion, and to partially correct misrepresentation. I've discussed the major changes on the article's talk page, but in addition, I'm tagging verification/OR concerns in-line. Like I said, the article still needs lots of work. Just keeping you updated. Thanks! - Alternativity (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry for not replying in so long. I had some things come up. Thank you very much for all of the above. I had the feeling the article was lacking as I worked on the copy edit. generally I will happily make the most of whatever an article has in a copy edit but it is disheartening to work on something that is not the best. I agree with all the points you made. One way forward would be to leave a message on the talk page that the article was not ready for a major copy edit and could be relisted if needs be. I'll check in later so we don't have any edit conflict. Cheers. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, First of all are you a sri lankan? Im new to wikipedia article writing. Can you help me with my article. Sharkya108 (talk) Thank You Very Much


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