User talk:Nlu/archive48

"Toothless Tiger" warnings
You placed the following on User talk:81.145.242.67:

"This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. --Nlu (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)"

However, this user continues to vandalise, and has not been blocked. What is the point of placing such warnings if you have no intention of following them through? Pdfpdf (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't monitor every vandal every day. --Nlu (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * And, as you noted, the edit that the person made this time is of very poor quality -- but after looking at it, I see no vandalistic intent. Bad writing is not the same as vandalism.  --Nlu (talk) 17:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with both of your statements, but neither of them address or answer my question:
 * "What is the point of placing such warnings if you have no intention of following them through?" Pdfpdf (talk) 06:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I block properly warned vandals when I see the vandalism, so it's not true that there are no intentions of following them through. --Nlu (talk) 06:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm. So it's a bit difficult then, isn't it.

The problem is, this guy has a page full of warnings and threats (not just from you), none of which have been followed through on. Not surprisingly, he continues to be a nuisance because his experience is that the words on his talk page are just that - words. Despite all the words, there's no action, and hence he sees no negative consequences from his negative actions, and so continues them. I think you think I'm having a go at you personally - that's not my intention. Perhaps it would have been better if I'd worded my question more generally. e.g.: ''"What is the point of such warnings if it is obvious to the nuisance that there is no intention by anyone of following them through?"

So, how do we stop this nuisance wasting our time? (Clearly, threatening him with words alone is wasting our time, and having no effect on his behaviour.) Pdfpdf (talk) 08:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, continuing to monitor is what we can do. Wikipedia's blocking policy does not allow blocking IPs indefinitely unless they are open proxies, so that's out of the question.  --Nlu (talk) 09:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm again. That doesn't sound very effective to me, and it certainly doesn't sound very efficient either. Is that the only option available to the part of the WP community that's being inconvenienced? Pdfpdf (talk) 09:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, timed block is the main tool to stop vandalism from IPs that won't heed warnings -- but in this case, this IP did heed warnings, and so a block is really unwarranted without further vandalism. --Nlu (talk) 09:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, your statement is incorrect. I've just had a look, and every edit done by this IP since November is either blatant vandalism, or subtle vandalism made to look like poor quality editing! The fact that amazes me is that two of the vandal edits are still there, but nobody has noticed!!! Here's a list of all of his edits since November. They're all vandalism. He hasn't heeded any warnings: I really do think it's time to do something. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 26Nov2007 Brian Harvey (reverted and warned)- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Harvey&diff=prev&oldid=173880716
 * 29Dec2007 Audrey Hepburn (reverted and warned) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Audrey_Hepburn&diff=prev&oldid=180784046
 * 1Jan2007 Eidagale (still there) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eidagale&diff=next&oldid=165618739
 * 15Jan2008 Widnes-Runcorn Transporter Bridge (reverted and warned) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Widnes-Runcorn_Transporter_Bridge&diff=prev&oldid=184317649
 * 4Feb2008 History of Wales (still there) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=188814562
 * 17Feb2008 Vice Admiral (reverted and warned) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vice_Admiral&diff=prev&oldid=191848839


 * I warned him on December 29, and it is my opinion that the post-December 29 edits are not vandalism. They're poorly written, yes, but that's not the same as vandalism.  --Nlu (talk) 15:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * All right, he vandalized today -- and was immediately blocked by another admin for a week. --Nlu (talk) 15:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

No, sadly. Again, you have your facts wrong. So:
 * You warned him 29Dec2007
 * He vandalised on 1 Jan2008
 * He made a nuisance of himself on 15Jan2008
 * He vandalised on 4Feb2008
 * He made a nuisance of himself on 17Feb2008
 * 23 hours later he did two almost-useful edits that were not vandalism.
 * I drew the vandalism to the attention of the two other people who had posted to his page
 * One of those is an admin - he blocked the IP
 * 1) There are two post-29Dec edits that most definitely are vandalism. (In fact, the vandalism is still there, 6 weeks after it occurred!)
 * 2) He did not "vandalize today".
 * 3) He was not "immediately blocked by another admin": the situation was brought to the admin's attention; the admin investigated it; the admin blocked the IP.

Changing the subject: I've been re-reading this conversation; I'm rather puzzled by your behaviour. You may, or may not, find the following useful. When reading it, keep in mind that I have no vested interest in your behaviour one way or the other, and I'm writing it because I hope you will find it useful, because if you do, wikipedia will be a better place.

You're an admin; you placed a stern warning on a user's page saying: "the next time you vandalise, you will be blocked"; however, you didn't keep an eye on that user. The user vandalised again 3 days later, you didn't notice; the user saw that he can freely vandalise and not get blocked. He vandalised again a month later; again you didn't notice; again the user saw that he can freely vandalise and not get blocked. I drew this to your attention; I asked you, "What's the point of making threats if you have no intention of carrying them out?" Your response was to start making excuses for having done nothing, and to continue to do nothing. Again, the user saw that he can freely vandalise and not get blocked.

You say: "I block properly warned vandals when I see the vandalism".

Well, you're never going to see it if you don't look. And you're never going to see it if you ignore it when it's brought to your attention.

I hope you found that useful. Good luck and best wishes. I wouldn't want the job of admin because by accepting it, you accept a pile of responsibilities; you are no longer responsible for just your own actions, you have accepted the mutual responsibility for upholding the role and credibility of all admins.

As I said, Good luck and best wishes. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Yang
Please stop removing the links to the dissidents who have been jailed by Yahoo. Jerry Yang, CEO of Yahoo, has been quite vocal regarding Yahoo and their involvement in those confinements. They're pertinent to his page.

I assume that you're not affiliated with Jerry Yang or Yahoo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordvolton (talk • contribs) 05:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I am not, but please discuss it on the talk page. I'll change my mind if there is a consensus.  As it stood, it looked like nothing but POV-pushing.  --Nlu (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Per your suggestion, I've outlined some reasons for the inclusion of their names on the see also section. I've also provided some links for your review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordvolton (talk • contribs) 02:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

No legal or personal affiliations with Yang, Yahoo, or Filo
Are you listed on Martindale Hubbell?

Lordvolton (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I don't think you've shown any good cause to ask this question. --Nlu (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Lantern Festival
Hi I'm not sure of the procedures for requesting page protection, but I think it is worth looking into Lantern Festival. There were numerous recent acts of vandalism. Thanks, Hanfresco (talk) 06:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Thanks.  (For your reference, go to WP:RFP to do that, but I'll see if the page should be protected or not.)  --Nlu (talk) 09:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that protection is warranted just yet. If it turns out that vandalism picks up later, let me know.  Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 09:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for takin' a look and the information. =) Hanfresco (talk) 20:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar notice
I've awarded you a barnstar. I remember wanting to do it a couple weeks ago but can't for the life of me remember why. If I think of it I'll let you know. Stifle (talk) 11:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * :-) Thanks!  --Nlu (talk) 11:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Culture of the Song Dynasty
I've been thinking lately of nominating this for featured article, but I have some worries, and I'd like to get your thoughts or opinions on the matter. In the articles Augustus and Ming Dynasty that I have raised to featured article status, there were once picture galleries (i.e. , that type of deal) but reviewers pushed to have them removed because in WP:LAYOUT it is generally frowned upon to have image galleries when extra pictures could all be moved to Wikimedia Commons (but this is not an actual rule). I'm afraid, if I nominate the Culture of the Song Dynasty article, the reviewers will once again argue for removal of galleries, even though the gorgeous pictures in the painting and ceramic gallery sub-sections under the overall "Visual arts" section serve to illustrate art history. Do you think there is a logical, encyclopedic reason that can I argue which favors keeping these images in the article?-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 13:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

These are the images in question:

Ceramics
Cheers.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 13:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

My thought on this is that these are a bit too much for galleries. One possible solution is to create sub-articles that deal with paintings and ceramics in particular and move the galleries there. --Nlu (talk) 16:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi there! I understand if you have reservations regarding my desire to become an established user. I haven't exactly got off to a good start thanks to this either. Please rest assured that the edit was in good faith, as I believe there is a guy by that name who is involved with the production of several notable Japanese TV shows (Azumanga Daioh & Pitagora Suitchi I think), and has a keen interest in Japanese martial arts. However, I have performed several google searches after having made the edit and can find nothing, which is becoming more and more embarrassing for me. Please take my word for this, for I would love to get more involved with the project, and once I've spent more time adjusting to the controls here, helped out at RC a bit more and had the way things work round here explained to me better, I would like to start contributing in areas I have expertise. Cheers! The JPSwirlface (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It is nothing against you personally. AfD guidelines call for judiciousness when judging the votes of anonymous and newly registered users.  --Nlu (talk) 17:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That's cool! I'm just feeling a bit paranoid that everyone might be out to get me because of my past! The JPSwirlface (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * :-) I don't even know about your past.  --Nlu (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I want to hear your opinions!
Dear Nlu! Nice to meet you!

First, I am highly appreciate your contributions (history, culture, religions, etc of great China). I know that you are also a Chinese and I think you know exact about the Chinese culture as well. In last days, in Religion in China has had controversies between me and Saimdusan (strong anti-Buddhism and Chinese religions). Please give us your opinions and let people know more about the truth of Asian culture. It's really needed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Religion_in_China#The_heavy_influence_of_Buddhism_-_Chinese_religions_among_various_East_Asian_civilizations

Please help me, brother! Thank you so much!

Angelo De La Paz (talk) 13:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I will take a look and provide some comments later, probably in a couple days. Thanks for alerting me to it.  --Nlu (talk) 21:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Please block this IP for vandalism
You placed the following on User talk:194.103.203.170: This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. --Nlu (talk) 14:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC) This IP-number was active again on February 29, and has vandalized Örebro (were obviously the vandal is living). It's time for blocking this vandal. --Jansjunnesson (talk) 09:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a shared IP address. With that being the case, unless I am fairly certain it's the same person, effectively, the new vandal did not receive a warning from before.  I've added a new warning.  --Nlu (talk) 17:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. I can also tell you that in Swedish Wikipedia the mentioned IP-number is blocked since 14 February 2008, because of extensive vandalism (though it's known that i'ts a shared IP-address). --Jansjunnesson (talk) 12:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. --Nlu (talk) 15:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar Award (way over due)
Cheers.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 20:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I appreciate it.  --Nlu (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Experimenting?
Actually, I was correcting. Read David Icke's article, as that is his main conspiracy. And thank you for your condescending professionalism. It will be long remembered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.207.7.131 (talk • contribs)

DYK

 * Thanks for letting me know. --Nlu (talk) 04:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Cadet Units
Hi Nlu, I noticed the AFD you put up for Knox Grammar School Army Cadet Unit (which I agree is completely non-notable) and was wondering your opinion on another such article, Barker College Cadet Unit. I noticed this one a while ago and was considering AFD but thought it would probs be kept because its long (even though its completely unreferenced). What do you think?? I appreciate your time! Loopla (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's still deletable, but less so than the one at Knox Grammar School. I think as a policy issue that such information is too much information, but I think submitting an AfD to see what the community thinks would be a good idea.  --Nlu (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

User:74.75.150.181
Special:Contributions/74.75.150.181 - whom you blocked for 1 month - is now editing as Special:Contributions/74.75.118.2. He is also banned User:Skymac207. - JasonAQuest (talk) 04:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 05:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

AFD - Emporer's Clud VIP
If you are going to post an AFD, please take the time to start a discussion on the talk page regarding the specific issues why it should be deleted. Thanks. -- Jophus00 (talk) 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the reason I gave is insufficient. --Nlu (talk) 15:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I didn't catch that the first time I saw it; moot point now, I guess. --Jophus00 (talk) 02:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Glitter girl again
Regarding your block of, see info I left for BInguyen. Sigh, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 04:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. --Nlu (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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