User talk:Northamerica1000/Archive 75

Nomination of Utambar for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Utambar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Utambar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 02:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Cheese and crackers
Alex ShihTalk 01:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * As soon as I saw cheese and crackers on the Main Page I knew without even checking that it had to be one of yours... Nicely done. Yunshui 雲 水 12:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : Thanks; it's a start. I was somewhat surprised that said article did not previously exist before I created it. North America1000 21:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Help is needed
Hello. Thank you for your contribution in Articles for deletion/Abdullah Al-Salloum. You have relisted the project for a more thorough discussion. I was waiting for a week for someone else's opinion on the AfD's main concern "Lack of evidence of notability in English" as got no response even from the project's author. The questions are: I really do love reading cases. I've gone through several AfD archives looking for similar cases and found nothing that could answer my questions. Your help is highly appreciated. :-) Thank you very much. --Aaehasa (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Was it a valid and disputable concern? Do all cited references really have to be in English?
 * From my "Keep" vote, did I understand the concern clearly? If not, what does it clearly mean?
 * Can a project be relisted if initiated with an invalid or undisputable concern?


 * Hi : Some points:
 * Sources do not have to be in English. Check out WP:NOENG and WP:GNG, the latter of which states, "Sources do not have to be available online or written in English." However, the nomination is still essentially questioning the notability of the subject, although the "in English" part is flawed.
 * Your !vote is quite thorough, although you could add commentary regarding sources in the article relative to whether or not they are reliable and if they serve to establish notability for the subject, as per WP:BASIC, WP:GNG and/or WP:AUTHOR.
 * – North America1000 20:45, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, that answer is more than what I expected. Thanks! The commentary is a great idea, I'll be adding it shortly although my defense is already on Talk:Abdullah Al-Salloum. It has been very great COMMUNICATING with you, that was my first sufficient one. :--)) --Aaehasa (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

About AfD
Hello, Northamerica1000. I am somewhat in awe of all your contributions; thanks for being such a role model. I have a couple of AfD-related questions I wanted to ask your advice on.

First, am I... doing AfD correctly? I've been going through the oldest pages looking for ones that need attention (and sometimes finding myself sucked in on ones that have plenty of discussion happening already) but I read elsewhere recently that coming in at the end of AfD discussions looks bad (this was in the context of considering people's chances at RfA; I am not now nor do I anticipate ever running for adminship).

Second, I wonder if you'd give your opinion as to whether one of my draft articles is worth continuing to spend time on, or if you think it would be pointless to keep at it, i.e., if it's doomed to deletion. The draft is Draft:List of Camden Crawl performers and is a companion, naturally, to Camden Crawl (which I also created).

I would really appreciate your advice (and the advice of friendly talk page stalkers is also welcome). Thanks in advance, GrammarFascist   contribs talk 00:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Short response: I will need some time to devise a detailed response; working on other matters right now. North America1000 01:28, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course; I'm in no rush. Thanks for letting me know. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 17:46, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : I don't think the parameters you provided above correspond with performing at AfD correctly or incorrectly. Sometimes AfD discussions seriously lack user input, so contributing is a good thing. I have seen users perform "incorrectly" in various AfD discussions in terms of not providing guideline- or policy-based rationales in discussions, bickering with other users rather than addressing article content, etc. I don't see a problem with you contributing to AfD discussions that are nearing their end.


 * Regarding Draft:List of Camden Crawl performers, it could be a useful supplement article to the main Camden Crawl article. It's possible that someone may come along and deem the article inappropriate as per WP:NOTDIR, but this also may not occur, and the list is well-sourced. Rather than leaving it in draft namespace forever, I think you should publish it to main namespace and add a link to the main article to the list of performers article. North America1000 01:41, 27 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi again NorthAmerica1000. Thank you for a prompt (I consider anything less than 24 hours prompt for such non-urgent questions) and thoughtful response to my questions. Thank you also for the reassurance that I'm doing things right, on both counts. The article in question is my first list article, and I know lists are often considered cruft-y and unencyclopedic, but I haven't been involved in enough list-article AfDs to get a handle on where the line is. I won't let it languish in draftspace forever; the main reason it's been there so long is that I took a long hiatus from Wikipedia, and only recently returned. It won't take me too long to finish collating the remaining entries, provided I work on the draft, and then I'll move it to mainspace; I'd rather not do that with the most recent years undone. Thanks again, and see you around AfD! — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 02:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Arabic Unicode
Why Arabic script has duplicate glyphs? -- cyɾʋs ɴɵtɵɜat bʉɭagɑ!!! ( Talk  |  Contributions ) 02:50, 20 August 2017 (UTC
 * Greetings : The short answer is, I don't know. I suggest posting your question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world, where users knowledgeable about this matter may be able to provide a response. However, the page does not appear to be very active at this time. North America1000 09:08, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


 * This Unicode block has shows here,

The letter ae and hah goal are duplicate to hah. I am designing Highway Gothic font to be a Unicode typeface


 * : Still don't know. Pinging to here, an active user on Wikipedia who has contributed to the template relatively recently. Perhaps this user can provide an answer the next time they're available. North America1000 09:36, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


 * You can't design an Arabic font on the basis of a code chart! You have to understand what language each letter is intended for, and how its shaping behaviour works. In the case of "hah" and "hah goal" (latter used for Urdu), the two characters may look alike in isolation in the Wikipedia code chart (but they don't in the official Unicode code chart), but they have different glyph forms in some positions, so are encoded separately. You need to study the Unicode Standard and associated data files in order to understand the details of how the Arabic script works in Unicode; and if you still have questions then ask on the Unicode mailing list. BabelStone (talk) 10:10, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I was away so am just now seeing this... BabelStone's answer is exactly right. DRMcCreedy (talk) 23:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * BabelStone, DRMcCreedy, Highway Gothic was used in Highways. Now, Highway Gothic is now a Unicode typeface in my contributions on Wikimedia Commons. It supports more scripts exist in around the world. -- cyɾʋs ɴɵtɵɜat bʉɭagɑ!!! ( Talk  |  Contributions ) 01:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Re: The Gong Show
Thanks for thinking of me! I'm glad the show is back too, and I think it's done a good job of keeping the spirit of the original about as much as a 2017 version could, in terms of the format and the quirky acts. Chuck Barris was one of a kind as a host so I appreciate them going for something totally different with Mike Myers. I'm impressed with ABC relaunching a bunch of old game shows (Match Game, Pyramid, To Tell the Truth) and doing them all pretty well! Take care,  gongshow  talk  05:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I also feel that the overall spirit of the show is aligned with its former version. Yep, I've seen some of those other shows you mention as well. Regarding a recent version of the new TGF, I saw what appears to be a relatively uncommon phenomenon, a tie result. It was between the Married with bananas skit that had people spitting/projecting banana chunks into one-another's mouths, and the Buddy Lee experience skit, which was essentially expert jump roping. I thought the latter should have won, but the former did per the judge tie-breaker. North America1000 09:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I remember seeing this - the banana couple had a certain eccentric charm about them and they got the judges involved in the bit, but the jump roper had some serious talent! I agree that he deserved to win.  gongshow  talk  03:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's The Gong Show though, so the banana spitters won out. North America1000 00:48, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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Yakisoba vs Lo Mein
Hello,

You were the last person to edit the "yakisoba noodle" Wikipedia page, and I had a question! I'm trying to order Chinese food, and this place offers both Lo Mein noodle dishes and Yakisoba noodle dishes. I know Lo Mein is Chinese, and Yakisoba is Japanese, but is there a difference in taste? I assumed there would be since the place offers both, but I need an experts opinion.

Thanks! -Cat Cathickman (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Lo mein is typically prepared using wheat noodles, while Yakisoba is sometimes prepared using buckwheat noodles, but also wheat. Yakisoba noodles are typically thicker. Enjoy your dinner. North America1000 14:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shania Now Tour
Why did you relist Articles for deletion/Shania Now Tour? You might want to put the reason in the discussion. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It was relisted simply as stated in the template, "to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus." North America1000 21:58, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Loggerhead Key
Hello! Your submission of Loggerhead Key at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cambalachero (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Avner Halperin
Avner Halperin Potential coi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenios55 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : If you believe a conflict of interest exists, I recommend posting your concerns on the article talk page. You could also add the COI template atop the article after posting on the talk page. North America1000 01:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Celebrity Big Brother
Hi Northamerica1000, Hope all is well with you and yours :), Could you do me a favour please ? - Could you delete Celebrity Big Brother so I can move Celebrity Big Brother (UK) back there as some newbie had moved it all, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 01:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey there : Hello to you in England. Is the UK version more well-known compared to Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.)? If so, then the move would make sense per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC / WP:COMMONNAME. Which version of the show came first, the US version, or the UK version? If the US version came first, and is more well known/covered more extensively (e.g. via coverage in google searches, news searches, etc.), then it could very well be that the US version should be moved to the Celebrity Big Brother title, rather then the UK version. North America1000 02:06, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Hello Northamerica :), Well I was just in the middle of replying and it had been moved, I think it was first started here but anyway all moved thank the lord lol, Ah I've just found out you're from the US - I hope you're all safe and well down there, – Davey 2010 Talk 02:15, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, now I don't need to become involved! Cheers, North America1000 02:51, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for American Jewish cuisine
Alex ShihTalk 00:05, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I hereby present you with the Golden Gefilte Fish award, for sustained excellence in "Did You Know". Thanks for your efforts!  — Mudwater (Talk) 00:22, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for creating and expanding the article; you did all the real work. North America1000 14:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

AppDynamics
Thank you for your recent review of Jyoti Bansal. I hope you were aware that I am a paid editor. I have been hired again to clean-up the page for the company he founded AppDynamics. I am working on a new version with only the most reliable secondary sources: User:Janweh64/old/AppDynamics. Once complete, would you be willing to allow me to ping you to review the draft and apply it to main space as you see fit. As it is not a new article, I believe I cannot submit it to AFC and the Requested Edits system is seriously backlogged. It seems not enough editors frequent that page and it takes months to get a response. I understand if you are too busy and cannot do this. &mdash;አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 02:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I typically do not perform AfC reviews upon request. North America1000 00:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Help needed
Could you explain to why he is not allowed to !vote on an AfD he has nominated for AfD, per WP:AFDLIST? He doesn't seem to understand, and is also edit-warring on at least one AfD that he nominated (WP:Articles for deletion/TransUnion CIBIL) to retain his !vote. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, your time might be better served explaining to why her approach to templating experienced editors is deemed rude, why my nomination is not in breach of any policy or guideline, why it is verboten to change an editor's comments (especially if they tell you to stop) and why she should generally chill and stop attempting to browbeat/bully other editors over her (incorrect) interpretation of WP:AFDLIST. Especially when it was explained on my Talk page.  -- HighKing ++ 16:49, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You can now add in 4 reverts to WP:Articles for deletion/TransUnion CIBIL. Another tactic whereby she "talks" to you on your Talk page but is essentially not really talking but laying down the law, lump it or like it, and pushing her edits through in a very disruptive manner. I'm not going to revert again, but note that she templated my Talk page after her 3rd revert but still went ahead and reverted again anyway. I'm not calling for a block - just pointing out the unacceptable behaviour of this editor. -- HighKing ++ 16:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * She's not finished yet. Now this. -- HighKing ++ 16:54, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's all right to have the word "delete" in bold in the nomination header. What WP:AFDFORMAT and WP:AFDLIST state is that the delete !vote in bold should not be repeated in a new comment, although commentary remains allowed. North America1000 23:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Democratic Party color
Hi! Yes, you are right, I should have explained my edits, but my question is: was red the "official" color of the Democrats until 2000? Probably I'm not an expert in U.S. politics, but I didn't know that and I didn't find any quotes which confirm that. Thank you :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : I may not research this matter, so if you still want to remove the content, I recommend simply leaving an edit summary explaining your rationale for doing so. North America1000 11:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okok, you are absolutely right. Have a good day! -- Nick.mon (talk) 11:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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WPOC, and a looped category
Hi, while creating the list for bot, I came across Category:The Vario Crew, and Category:Murder victims related to the Lufthansa heist‎. Both of them are looped. — usernamekiran (talk)  19:43, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * PS: I tried to solve the loop issue, but I couldnt. Also, we almost done with the list for bot. — usernamekiran (talk)
 * Hi : I'm a bit busy on other matters, so I may not work on this. You can find some information about this at WP:SUBCAT. North America1000 09:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Reservations.com
Quick question: was the content of the deleted page Reservations.com similar/identical to the contents of this user sandbox? Thanks, jcc (tea and biscuits) 19:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The pages are virtually verbatim, with the exception of the very last, single-sentence paragraph in the draft, which was not in the deleted version of the article right before it was deleted. North America1000 22:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Question
Hey, NA1000 - can you point me to the policy or guideline that addresses the listing of dates for upcoming concert tours, or perhaps a consensus or even an AfD that set a precedent for inclusion? I'm thinking it's pure marketing and promotion to list upcoming tour dates like you'd see at Stubhub or Ticket Master, and that only completed tours that pass WP:N are eligible for inclusion. It's looking more and more like WP has become a marketing tool for the sports, music and movie industries around the world. Atsme 📞📧 02:13, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : Check out WP:NCONCERT for an overview. North America1000 15:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, I read it before I came here for advice. I'm concerned over what's happening because there is nothing explicit about lists with dates of upcoming concert tours rather the guideline addresses only notable tours that have already taken place and contain information such as box office take, attendance, etc. The former "upcoming" is where my concerns lie because it's promotion of the tour, not encyclopedic information about it. Inclusion of lists with the dates of upcoming concert tours are being based on inherent notability of the tour operators/musicians/bands rather than after the tour notability of the tour itself. See what I mean? Are we now accepting what WP:NOT specifically states we should not accept? A perfect example is PSA_Tour. I'm of the mind that it should probably be a G11 but it's still a learning process for me, and I want to feel confident that I'm doing it correctly. Atsme 📞📧 16:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, you could nominate PSA Tour for WP:G11, which may end up being deleted per this, or maybe not. Depends upon the reviewing admin's interpretation. Another option is to consider WP:PRODding the article, which provides a means to include a rationale for deletion. If the prod may be considered as controversial, then there's always AfD as well. North America1000 17:02, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Your answer raised my confidence level up 2 notches! SMirC-thumbsup.svg Atsme 📞📧 17:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I entirely overlooked that the article is already at AFD...Facepalm3.svg Facepalm. I must be getting used to seeing the template atop articles all the time... North America1000 17:45, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * N.b. Later prodding is out, since this is at AfD. North America1000 17:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't feel bad - there are so many tags on articles, I imagine most of our readers don't notice them, either. SMirC-chuckle.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 17:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Mastocarpus papillatus Linkrot
Can you be more specific concerning your assition of the linkrot template to Mastocarpus papillatus? I'm not sure which link(s) you may be referring. Other than http://www.iucnredlist.org/search for which that site does not allow parameters to be inserted into the URL, so there is no alternative that I can see.Nessie (talk) 16:10, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : I added the tag while patrolling new AfC articles. Refs #3 and #4 have intermingled bare urls. North America1000 00:28, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BURL says that a bare URL has no other information other than the URL. Both of those references have authors, dates, publishers, etc.  They are not in a citation template, but they don't need to be:  "Note that some citation styles, such as the MLA style, use full bibliographic citation that happen to display the text of the URL in addition to proper identifying information, like the author, date, and title of the publication. These are not considered bare URLs." Nessie (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi : I see that the linkrot template was removed (diff). Per the above and WP:BURL, that's fine by me. North America1000 05:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Relist..
Hi, Probably you already know this but just in case....can you please review WP:NOQUORUM before relisting AfDs of the like of Articles for deletion/Reebok Big Time.Regards:) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 09:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi / : I'm well aware of deletion guidelines and policies. The discussion was worthy of a second relist. For example, note how the topic has received some coverage in RS, such as via links provided in the Google News link atop the AfD discussion. North America1000 09:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, a second relist was prob. not un-expected under the circumstances. Winged Blades of Godric On leave 09:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Hi NA1K, thank you for your comments at my RfA, and for putting up with my...prevaricating, I guess some would call it. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 22:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Hopefully parts of your user name don't freak people out. North America1000 22:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I am not worthy of all your thanks
But they are surely appreciated! :-) --Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 21:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice work improving/rescuing July 1757 Heatwave; if not for your work, this notable event may have simply been deleted (although it's still at AfD). North America1000 22:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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