User talk:Palmiro/archive4

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Archived material:
 * From the earliest times to November 2005.
 * 13 November 2005 - 17 December 2005.
 * 18 December 2005 - 3 February 2006.
 * 4 February 2006 - 12 April 2006.

Embassy burning
Great, just great. Distract the people from the wider problem by using a few stupid cartoons and having them release their anger. Yuber(talk) 16:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew deletions
You're right Palmiro, I was worried you'd go around deleting Hebrew names. An overzealous anonymous user deleted it a weke or two ago; perhaps they saw it as a claim that Jews invented za'atar (and falafel, and the Quran, and...). Thanks for adding the Arabic. Do you mind if I bother you for the occasional translation? --Mgreenbe 14:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Palestinian territories
Thanks - I just took a look and didn't like the new intro, it sucks all dignity out of a term that is pretty much common use. I'll try to get to it today, have a major deadline (yet another one) on Tuesday which looks more and more unlikely I'll make. Ramallite (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Questions
Dear Palmiro,

I received welcome comments from you on my talk page the first time I edited an article on Wikipedia, Thank you. In these comments you sugested that I could ask you questions on your talk page, so this is what I am doing.

1- I noticed on a page that I am watching that a picture was removed by "Orphan Bot" with a title (Removing image with no copyright information. Such images that are older than seven days may be deleted at any time.) I happen to know the author of the picture and also know that she has no problem for the usage of this picture in any way or place. What should be done to be able to use this picture without anybody removing it. I imagine that Orphan Bot is an automated process that cannot be convinced by a discussion.

2- A user corrected an information on this same page, but his information is not accurate. Unfortunately the author of this correction is only an IP address. What should be done to avoid having him make the same intervention again if I correct his miscorrection.

Thanks for evrything Choky 17:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC) Choky

Proposals to arb. com
You might be interested in this:. Btw, I have made a grand total of 5 edits on Palestinian exodus, and the huge amount of one edit on the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Lol! Regards, Huldra 01:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I´ve added a comment on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zeq/Workshop... I´m not sure if it should be there. If you think it is not ok: feel free to delete it. Regards, Huldra


 * Ah, this just gets better and better. I sincerely hope that you, in spite of your (quite understandable) distaste of these rows at least make a summary of your editing in the -48 war. Yes, I realize it will take quite some time (given the vast amount of your editing  in that article), but I thought it was  quite instructive;-)


 * I have just watched Dhimmi from the side-lines; never edited there. However, I used to edit Zionism and racism, but gave up: just read the three first paragraphs to understand why. I have been tempted to pour some oil on the fire in the Dhimmi article, by inserting the  "logic" of the  Zionism and racism article there ;-D ....i.e: "as anybody is free to convert to Islam, the Dhimmi status cannot be discrimination! Pr. definition!" Lol!


 * As for the situation in the world in general: I have now learned that there is not a single Dane or Norwegian left in the ME ..or in any Muslim country. Not one. All have left. There are, however, quite a few blue-eyed, nervous-looking people "from Iceland" around.... (Actually, Swedes, or rather Swedish girls, have been "from Iceland" for decades now... courtesy of the Swedish porn Industry. I´m not joking!). Iceland would be an extremely crowded island if all its "expats" returned! One example: one journalist in Teheran, earlier known as a Norwegian, who is now "from Iceland".... ...eh, the head-line says "If you had been from Denmark we would have killed you." Yepp, one better be careful choosing which country to be born in these days.... Regards, Huldra 22:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC) ps: enjoy Beirut!

Bat Ye'or
Thank you for notifying me, it was very decent of you. I disagree, however, that the page should be unprotected, and I've given my reasons on the Talk: page and at WP:RFPP. Jayjg (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Aoife
Ok, good question, it certainly isn't a translation, but people, people here in Ireland always say Aoife is the equivalent of Eve and this is backed up by all those stupid unscholarly name sites, a sort of folk legend that noone really cares enough about to set straight. I guess this casual belief in names being equivalent is kind of meaningless, even in the cases where the names are clearly derived from English names, like Liam or Eoin, it doesn't make them equivalent and in the rare case of an Eve seeking an Irish language name she would be as free to call herself Aoife as anything else: change the article if you want. Notjim 22:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

non-Arab Middle East Christians
I think you should have a look at the doings of some anti-Arab Christian activists who designed a totally inaccurate and propagandist Syriacs box, mentioning Maronites and Melkites as "Syriacs", thus non-Arabs, which I proposed for deletion here. There are non-Arab Christians there, be they Armenians or Assyrians, but these fanatics include Arabized Christians in their anti-Arab dreams. Pylambert 23:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Hamas
You explained your edits, however you deleted all the part added concerning new developments, without saying it. This part was explaining what is happening right now, and definitely concerned the issues about Hamas' non-recognition of Israel. Beside, you (or i'm mistaken) deleted loads of sources in other parts which I am putting back. They were all backed by source. Including in one part, you revert to a "fact" template before, simply deleting the source which had been placed to take off this template. Regards Tazmaniacs 17:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If it ain't you, I apologize. To be a little more serious, can you explain why qualifying Hamas as a sunni organization is not relevant? Tazmaniacs 17:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I did check and I do apologize. I don't know what Zek suddenly is up too, he usually is reasonable. Tazmaniacs 17:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Nonviolent resistance
I've sprotected it. Anonymous editors really shouldn't be inserting unsourced and POV material again and again over a period of weeks or months, at least not without coming to the Talk: page every now and again. Jayjg (talk) 20:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed that. I personally support a more liberal use of semi-protection, particularly for editors who use dynamic IPs to edit war, but others feel that full protection is more appropriate in those cases.  Is there anything further you would like done at this point? Jayjg (talk) 13:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Unprotected again. Jayjg (talk) 14:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Palestinian exodus
Hello Palmiro. We don't have met each other yet (virtually) but we crossed each other several times ;-).

Just to say that I don't think the "master plan" theory of Khalidi can be based on the "transfer principle of Morris simply because developed this thesis after'' Khalidi wrote his.

More it is me who gathered all this section in "what generated the palestinian exodus ?" but I still wondered why the transfer principle should come there because it describes something else...

What do you think about that ? Christophe Greffe 21:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Gyros
You're not really offended, are you? It's impossible to read tone on-line. --Mgreenbe 21:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it clearly was (and an excellent one); I was worried you thought I was ruining the joke. I see now that I, too, have had the mickey taken out of me. :) --Mgreenbe 18:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Al-Safir
Is it possible you meant As-Safir? Because that article is very similar to the one you created.--KrossTalk 20:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Elias Khoury
Hi Palmiro! Please see the answer on my talk page! Regards, gidonb 20:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

CG's user page
Have you abolsihed your Lebanon-portal, or just moved it somewhere else? I thought it was very good, and quite helpful, especially the two lists of articles from the French and Arabic Wikipedias (I've been meaning to write an article on زياد الرحباني for a while, by the way...). Hope all's well, in any case. Palmiro | Talk 19:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, I was really surprised when I realised that someone is watching my userpage. Anyway, I've changed it because it was really hard to maintain and to add new stuff. I took the code from another page and I just made minor adjustments. Here's the links that you needed: Lebanon-related articles in the Arabic Wikipedia that have no english equivalent and Lebanon-related articles in the French Wikipedia that have no english equivalent. CG 18:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not only that, I have from time to time pointed it out to new contributors writing on Lebanese topics. Actually, I think it might be worthwhile having a Lebanese, or a Levantine (Lebanon + Syria + Jordan - or would that bring back too many unhappy memories) or Mashriq portal/noticeboard, like the one for Palestine. There've been quite a few new editors appearing with an interest in Lebanon and there are now also a couple quite active on Syrian topics. Palmiro | Talk 22:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll support that. I'm actually thinking of a collaboration that will bring Lebanon-related articles to the featured status. The only problem, is that I don't think there is a lot of active editors who have interest in Lebanon-related articles, while each one of these articles, like you know, is highly controversial. CG 18:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least we should be able to deal with Ziad al-Rahbani and Majwa Karam without too much aggro. Hopefully. By the way, what is your view on the new (I think) Category:Ethnic Lebanese? Palmiro | Talk 13:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there a particular problem you've found in this category? CG 00:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

compromise has been proposed
I proposed a compromise, Islamic political terrorism that captures the meaning of Islamist without using the mainly academic word. Also, I think it has the possibility of reaching consensus unlike the others. Please discuss at the talk page, peace.--Urthogie 15:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk
I'm going to e-mail you, OK? I was in the middle of writing a response but I don't think I'll post it. Marskell 17:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I sent a brief reply to your brief reply twice but I kept getting failure notices. Marskell 09:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar
I will prominently display it in my gallery of pride and ego! Zora 18:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

DP World controversy
Hi. I loved your rewrite of the intro. What other articles have you improved that way? --Uncle Ed 18:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi - just a word of thanks for helping taking care of that person I AM. I appreciate it. Ramallite (talk) 22:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

One more thank you
Hi I just received your Welcome message. just wanted to say thanks [from User:Charbelgereige]

Re: Vandal on your userpage
You're welcome :) Jude (talk,contribs) 12:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Lebanon
The article Lebanon is horrible, totally NPOV, unbalanced, not accurate and it needs a complete rewrite. That's why I created Lebanon/Temp to start writing it from scartch. If you're interested you can, if you have time, begin to fill each section with information (referenced and sourced information of course). And if you know interested users, you can invite them also. I hope it will be finally a featured article. Just some recommendations: Thank you. CG 21:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Cedar Revolution part should not exceed a small paragraph.
 * We should focus on the religion part.
 * We should keep it NPOV, especially with the anti and pro-syrian, the arab and phoenician subjects.
 * Thank you for your help. But, I expect it it will be slow work before the article is finished. I'm not in a hurry, as long as we reach a better article than the current one. And if you know anu user who would be interested, could you invite him to help us? As for me, I have an exellent book "Le point sur le Liban 2006" that has about all the information we need. CG 07:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Rachel Corrie
Well I'm not sure if I helped or made things worse, but I'm sure things will work out : | I'm off till later this weekend, so have fun : ) -- M P er el ( talk 01:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Palestinian Exodus
I formally demand that you stop wikistalking me. BlatherAndBlatherscite 23:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your formal demand, which has been formally noted. However, reversion of trolling and unsourced POV edits is a legitimate activity and where a user systematically makes such edits locating and removing them is not considered wikistalking. Palmiro | Talk 23:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Reversion to my version
Congrats on what I also believe is the first time you reverted to my version ;P I also noticed that you could have just as easily reverted to Ramallite's version, but you still chose mine :D -- H eptor  talk 23:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Tobias-Schmidbauer
Hi Palmiro, do me favour and take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/55Stones

Thanks!

Jesus
Palmiro, several editors are trying to bring the Jesus article up to featured status. It would be good to have Muslim editors take a look at the Jesus section to make sure it correctly represents Muslim views, as we made sure with the Jewish views section. Would you mind taking a look, and making sure any sources cited are from authoritive Muslim sources? And could you invite anyone else you think might be helpful? Thanks! -- M P er el ( talk 21:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied on MPerel's talk page. Palmiro | Talk 13:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hi Palmiro and welcome back. Sorry I wasn't watching that article closely, but I think our agreement should be upheld. I would not revoke it without discussing first. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Palmiro - I tried in the talk page to express disappointment but I was outnumbered... somehow the article's intro turned into an apology for its existence on Wikipedia ... sort of like what is happening to a lot of other articles that include 'Palestinian' in the title.... Ramallite (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

checkpoints
we can only say what their stated aim is.

Heaving been to many of those checkpoints many times I can tell you they do stop terrorits but have a side effect on the whole population. Zeq 18:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

In-use tag
Palmiro, please respect the in-use tag in future. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Machsom Watch
If anyone writes misleading edit summaries, then it is certainly not me, but the person who claims an absence of dispute regarding the article when there are two obvious disputes going on over it. Pecher Talk 12:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The section you created is unnecessary unless you want to reproduce there all the arguments from the talk above. Pecher Talk 12:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have detailed my comments on the talk page and feel no need to repeat them in a specially designated place for your convenience. Pecher Talk 12:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi
You might be interested in the topic Persian Jews and some of the claims made in the history sections in regards to the status of Jews in Islam and medieval Persia. --ManiF 07:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A suggestion (Excellent to my mind :D )
Hi Palmiro, This is regarding the dhimmi, jizya and rules of war in islam articles. I think RfC is not a good idea since we are not sure if both articles are free from any problems. I have a suggestion: All editors involved in this mediation nominate a few editors(not among themselves). They are better to be administrator or at least experienced editors(e.g. Zora ) and concede their editing right to their nominated editors. These people will form the editor committee. All the editors have to promise not to edit the articles directly anymore, but just try to convince the editor committee if they want to make any change to the article(The articles can be blocked from editing). The final decisions are however made by the editor committee(maybe voting). I hope that concensus could be achieved easier there. How is my idea? Please post your opinion at Thanks --Aminz 07:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Palmiro, I have made an slot for you on the mediation page. Please post your opinion there. thx--Aminz 07:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. Your reasoning makes quite sense. We were just voting and we want to have all the opinions there at the moment. thx. --Aminz 06:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

International Media
I *really* think we shouldn't bring the media into this, as I think it will cause nothing but trouble. The media is in no way a reliable source for anything, and I can think of nothing farther from NPOV than the media. If you insist on this however, let's discuss it on the Talk page first... Regards -Sangil 15:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll answer the minute I get out of work...I hope that'll give me enough time to think of something ;-) -Sangil 15:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Abu Mazen
Hi Palmiro - I haven't been able to log on much during the past few days. I just left a piece of my mind at Talk:Palestinian territories but have to go now... I will gladly take a look at Machsom Watch once things die down later in the week. However, just wanted to let you know that, unlike Abu Ammar, Mahmoud Abbas actually does have a son named Mazen, hence the name. Actually, did have a son named Mazen, he died a few years ago of a heart attack; he was only in his early forties. As for your Syrian public health system, let's just say that the Gaza Strip makes both Syria and Ireland look excellent by comparison, and settle with that :) Salam. Ramallite (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Syrian nationalism
I just created Syrian nationalism rather spontaneously. I'm no expert in the subject, and perhaps you would care to take a look at it? It's a bit fluffy right now, and needs details, names, book titles, years and stuff like that. Not to mention sources. (I also had that look at Palestinian nationalism I promised you months ago... looks fine to me, although it could be expanded a lot.) Arre 10:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The big red button
Well, there are plenty of other big red buttons you can press, a lot of bots have them that edits on a talk page. I try to avoid people pusing my bots big red button as much as possible (because I get messages when its off, and when its off, it takes a bit of time to turn it back on :) -- Tawker 23:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You poor, poor, man
And here I was thinking you were living near the promised land.... 'Tis a sad story you're telling. Here's what consolation I can give. Blackcap (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Auntie Em! Auntie Em! There's no place like home, there's no place like home! Blackcap (talk) 17:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh Jesus, don't get me started! There's not a thing wrong with Grogan's, that's the truth (mmmmm... why did I ever leave?). Say, when you visit the ol' Corrib, stop in and have a few at Róisín Dubh's for me, would you? Blackcap (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Or a perambulation around Cork with a Beamish at Sin É... Blackcap (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And then over to the Celt... Blackcap (talk) 16:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * *Blackcap dies of happiness overdose* Blackcap (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Read between these lines for a drink, mate. Blackcap (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In-deed. Blackcap (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good man! Enjoy whatever (presumably non-Murphy's) drink you can get out there in the land of dunes. Sláinte! Blackcap (talk) 16:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Primo Levi
I have added a comment to the Talk/discussion page of this article, Please read. Thanks

--Paw42 09:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Palmiro, I have just looked at your ammendment to the article and the comments you have left on the Talk page. A definite improvement.

There is no problem with source material. I have Thomson's biography of PL,(exhaustive!) which confirms everything that is in the text except for PL's attitude to Soviet (and Chinese) communist repression. I shall substitute material from the scholastic version of "Se questo è un uomo" 1976 which he included in the edition I have.

Thanks, bye. --Paw42 15:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Israeli settlement
Hi. Just a friendly notice that, against the consensus you and others had achieved earlier in the page, JayJG and company are intent on deleting the Carter quote from the page. See talk. Thanks. Deuterium 13:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Syrian & Palestinian Nationalism
Agree with your edits, Karama especially is important. Possibly the support from Egypt & Syria should be qualified: they were nearly the only ones involved before 67, with the early Fatah and other now-extinct groups (although Saudi Arabia & others did some financing). But after 67 more support kicked in from these states in particular, but also from other gov's. Anyway, minor point.

Also agree about SSNP. I'm not aware that there exists a Greater Syria trend outside of it today, although I would be surprised if there isn't some intellectual conspirators' coterie somewhere.

I don't think I have the time or energy to get involved with any major Isra-Pal controversies, although from a brief look at the discussion page, you seemed to be right, and someone else seemed to be wrong. For what it's worth. Arre 00:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian political violence
Articles for deletion/Palestinian political violence. KI 14:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)