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Naming dispute at what used to be Three Excellencies
Hi Pericles, sorry to disturb your semi-retirement. As you have previously showed concern about the varying translations of Chinese rank titles, you might be interested to join in the discussion at Three Councillors of State and perhaps provide an apt solution? Thanks =D _dk (talk) 03:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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Robert Temple is fringe
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 * Mail's out. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 05:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Gladiator
Your kind comments lifted my spirits (they needed it). Thank you. Haploidavey (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Parthian king lists
My dear friend, thank you for your kindly notes & guidelines. Maziar (talk) 06:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Han Dynasty post and user subpages
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 * Thanks for your note on my talk page. I found your talk page via my WP:NPP partol of Wikipedia namespace pages and grep search for Han Dynasty. I added the link to Translation of Han Dynasty titles since you seemed to be an expert on such things and I thought your input would be valuable there. If you no longer need these user subpages, then please add db-author to the pages for an admin to delete them. Best wishes. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hi
Good candidate for another new article:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhBShGlZjI&feature=related

Civilization: Is the West History - Pt1. (Competition)   Arilang  talk  06:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Improving Wikipedia's Ming Dynasty content...
I have a ton of secondary sources on the Ming, and want to add facts and citations but feel I can't until this fundamental, underlying problem of History of the Ming Dynasty being identical repetitive pastes from history sections of Ming Dynasty is dealt with. So, I'm looking to ensure that the Ming article has a briefer summary of History of the Ming Dynasty, instead of content copied verbatim. Basically, I'm trying to implement WP:Summary_style and WP:Article_size}. User:Danger recommended I tell you before jumping in. I'll be better-summarizing the Ming Dynasty history sections soon, it's simpler than it looks. For details, see the discussion at Editor_assistance/Requests --NickDupree (talk) 03:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Pericles, I've nothing but utmost respect for your contributions (I think I've worked with you before in '06 or '09, on Kangxi Emperor or Hongwu Emperor?) and the fact that you're a volunteer overseas now is AWESOME (it'd be amazing to learn and write about the kyl kyyak--Kyrgyz musical instrument). I didn't mean to be brusque about the Ming Dynasty article, and I never want to hurt the content, but I do want to seriously trim back/summarize the history section, simplifying and clipping it, deleting some of the more detailed sub-sections (remember, everything I prune will remain intact over at History of the Ming Dynasty).  The idea is people will visit the daughter article History of the Ming Dynasty for an in-depth treatment of Ming history; there, all your writing and sourcing in parent article Ming Dynasty's history section I'll have trimmed will live on in perpetuity unaltered, plus more sources that I have.  That's my plan. I wonder why there is no existing History of the Qing Dynasty, and would Wikipedia's Qing content be improved by creating it?   --NickDupree (talk) 03:42, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I made the big submit... see Ming Dynasty and, History of the Ming Dynasty, where your contributions live on uncut and unsummarized....  NickDupree (talk) 05:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

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Ancient Egyptian literature was written in the Egyptian language from Ancient Egypt's pharaonic period until the end of Roman domination. Along with Sumerian literature, it is considered the world's earliest literature. Writing in Ancient Egypt first appeared in the late 4th millennium BC. By the Old Kingdom, literary works included funerary texts, epistles and letters, religious hymns and poems, and commemorative autobiographical texts. It was not until the early Middle Kingdom that a narrative Egyptian literature was created. Middle Egyptian, the spoken language of the Middle Kingdom, became a classical language during the New Kingdom, when the vernacular language known as Late Egyptian first appeared in writing. Scribes of the New Kingdom canonized and copied many literary texts written in Middle Egyptian, which remained the language used for oral readings of sacred hieroglyphic texts. Ancient Egyptian literature has been preserved on a wide variety of media, including papyrus scrolls and packets, limestone or ceramic ostraca, wooden writing boards, monumental stone edifices and coffins. Hidden caches of literature, buried for thousands of years, have been discovered in settlements on the dry desert margins of Egyptian civilization. (more...)

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The Parthian Empire was a major Iranian political and cultural power in the Ancient Near East. It was founded in the mid-3rd century BC by Arsaces I. Mithradates I greatly expanded the empire by seizing Media and Mesopotamia from the Seleucids. At its height, the Parthian Empire stretched from the northern reaches of the Euphrates, in what is now Kurdistan, to eastern Iran. The empire, located on the Silk Road trade route between the Roman Empire in the Mediterranean Basin and the Han Dynasty in China, quickly became a center of trade and commerce. The Parthians largely adopted the art, architecture, religious beliefs, and royal insignia of their culturally heterogeneous empire, which encompassed Persian, Hellenistic, and regional cultures. As the Empire expanded westward, they came into conflict with the late Roman Republic. The Parthians captured most of the Levant, but their holdings in Mesopotamia were invaded in turn several times during the Roman–Parthian Wars. Frequent civil war between Parthian contenders to the throne proved more dangerous than foreign invasion, and Parthian power evaporated when Ardashir I, ruler of Estakhr in Fars, revolted against the Arsacids and killed their last ruler, Artabanus IV, in 224 AD. (more...)

Talk:Wheelbarrow
Hello, if you're available, could you take a look at the ongoing discussion at Talk:Wheelbarrow I would appreciate your informed input, as you were directly involved with the article as a main contributor to the article's history section. --Ninthabout (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Choe Bu (1454–1504) was a Korean official during the early Joseon Dynasty (1392–1910). He is best known for the account of his shipwrecked travels in China from February to July 1488, during the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644). He was eventually banished from the Joseon court in 1498 and executed in 1504 during two political purges. However, in 1506 he was exonerated and given posthumous honors by the Joseon court. Choe's diary accounts of his travels in China became widely printed in the 16th century in both Korea and Japan. Modern historians also utilize his written works, since his travel diary provides a unique outsider's perspective on Chinese culture in the 15th century and valuable information on China's cities and regional differences. The attitudes and opinions expressed in his writing represent in part the standpoints and views of the 15th-century Confucian Korean literati, who viewed Chinese culture as compatible with and similar to their own. His description of cities, people, customs, cuisines, and maritime commerce along China's Grand Canal provide insight into the daily life of China and how it differed between northern and southern China during the 15th century. (more...)

Women's clothing in China
Hi, any chance you could nurture this one sometime finding time amongst your busy schedule. I saw it and it seemed just your sort of topic.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

You're in Kyrgyzstan? How bizarre! If you can take any photos of nearby villages that would be great!!! What village are you staying in, I want to to check it out on google maps!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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The Ming Dynasty was the ruling dynasty of China from 1368 to 1644. The Ming was the last dynasty in China ruled by ethnic Han Chinese. Ming rule saw the construction of a vast navy and a standing army of one million troops. There were enormous construction projects, including the restoration of the Grand Canal and the Great Wall (pictured) and the establishment of the Forbidden City in Beijing. Emperor Hongwu's rebuilding of China's agricultural base and strengthening of communication routes through the militarized courier system had the unintended effect of creating a vast agricultural surplus that could be sold at burgeoning markets located along courier routes. By the 16th century, China became involved in a new global trade of goods, plants, animals, and food crops known as the Columbian Exchange. Trade with European powers and the Japanese brought in massive amounts of silver, which then replaced copper and paper banknotes as the common medium of exchange in China. During the last decades of the Ming the flow of silver into China was greatly diminished, thereby undermining the entire Ming economy. The ensuing breakdown of authority and people's livelihoods allowed rebel leaders such as Li Zicheng to challenge Ming authority. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 00:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to make a friendly business proposition...
Just kidding, ho ho. Hi Pericles! Long time no see, I actually am not asking you a favour this time (relax). Just wanna tell you that I recently uploaded thirty-something pictures onto the Commons from a trip to the Shaanxi History Museum last year (yeah, really overdue, I know), and I thought you might like to take a look when you are free, there are even some relics of historical relevance! Best regards. _dk (talk) 14:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I had heard you were serving in Central Asia before, but it sure is good to hear that you eventually plan to come back to Wiki! Speaking of Beijing, I actually went to Beijing as part of that tour to Shaanxi! We hit the tourist spots mostly, so there wasn't many images I took that the Commons don't already have. (We didn't go inside the Palace Museum, which makes me sad.) We went to the Great Wall at Juyongguan though, and that's part of the reason why I am writing up a new article on the topic of the Wall....but I won't take your time and bore you with a link to that preliminary draft now =D Hope you'll have fun in Beijing and Seoul! _dk (talk) 13:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

A doubt
Hi, Pericles. This is merely curiosity: are there known descendants of Chinese dynasties before the Qing? Regards, --Lecen (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Mapping of the Chinese History
Hello Pericles, below is the level of map making I recently reached (100% done by myself).

I should also be able to create maps similar to those of Yeu Ninje. If needed, and if you have a source for a map, you know where to contact me. Regards ! Yug (talk)  16:18, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Non-free rationale for File:Songyue Pagoda.jpg
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Problem with notes on Tibet during Ming Dynasty
Hi, I'm trying to translate this article you created to the spanish wikipedia, and I'm having troubles with the notes section, so I checked the english article and found that is somehow not working... I don't even know exactly what are the notes anyway but when I click on them it doesn't go anywhere, I guess this notes are suposed to translate you to a special page on wikipedia with a colection of references right, anyway please tell me what's going on with these notes, thanks.--186.19.203.58 (talk) 03:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Precious
A year ago, you were the 266th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Liao Dynasty pagoda
Hey there. You might remember me from the Architecture of the Song Dynasty re-GA. I've been reworking the Liao Dynasty article, which had close paraphrasing issues and wasn't in stellar shape in other ways. As part of that I removed all the images to a subpage, as I was scraping out large amounts of text and didn't want to have to worry about images disappearing or winding up in random sections. The Fugong Temple Wooden Pagoda defiantly had a role in the redo, as it was specifically discussed in the sources I'm pulling together for architecture. I'd love to have had this finished already, however I lost access to several sources over the summer, and article writing doesn't come easy to me.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  17:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Parthians
Hi, I have a question for you about the article Parthian Empire:
 * «Ctesiphon may not have become the official capital until the reign of Gotarzes I of Parthia (r. c. 90–80 BC). It became the site of the royal coronation ceremony and the representational city of the Arsacids, according to Brosius.» When Ctesiphon became the site of the royal coronation ceremony? Perhaps under Gotarzes? If so, it could be made clearer connecting the two sentences with a "when" (I'm not a native speaker of english, so I could also be partially wrong!).--151.70.107.213 (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! Thank you for your question, it's a good one. By the reign of Gotarzes the city of Ctesiphon was most likely the capital city. If not, it was at least made the capital soon afterwards. Whether it was used by Gotarzes for his coronation as king I do not know. Brosius does not clarify that point. A lot of details from the early period of the Parthian Empire are unknown to us because many of their records and primary source material have been lost. I hope this answers your question sufficiently! Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 11:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the comment, I appreciate it! Southward expansion of the Han Dynasty is still a work in progress, and I'm currently working on the Han campaigns against the Minyue, Dian, and Eastern Ou. Regards,--Taiping Tulip (talk) 04:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR RFC
There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Chinese pyramids

 * Dear Pericles, look at these astounding Chinese pyramids (actually burial mounds of Yan state kings and nobles) I just re-discovered in Xiadu, hundreds of miles away from Xi'an. You can see it here: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=39.3051549&lon=115.5407882&z=16&l=38&m=b&v=8 Wish there is a higher resolution sat map though, just don't tell the Acncient Aliens loons LOL! Cheers Sgnpkd (talk) 10:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Nice to see you back!
Hi Eric. It's nice to see you back on WP once in a while. It show that you haven't forgotten your "first love" despite your adventures in Central Asia and now (I hear) Europe! No one on WP-China has been able to replace your drive and broad vision. You probably don't have time to come back, but do try to drop by more often for a chat or a key edit! Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 11:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious again
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Thank you for quality articles on Chinese history, such as Tibet during the Ming Dynasty, exploring relations, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (11 October 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Two years ago, you were the 266th recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Marco Polo
That's a long-term vandal whose posts to another editor's talk page I rev/deleted. He's threatening to murder a third editor and his family on ANI, and attacking several other editors in the same way. I think he believes that if you don't hate Muslims you must hate Jews. I've wiped it all from the talk page. Dougweller (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * See Long-term abuse/JarlaxleArtemis. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Han Dynasty
Hey thanks for fixing the passage for me on that page. If you got more time, would you please help me take a look at the "Hats, headwear and hairstyles" section on the Hanfu page which I edited few days ago? Would appreciate a lot if you could make it read more natural and understandable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TRunfree (talk • contribs) 06:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look, but not now. Perhaps tomorrow when I have time. Cheers. -- Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 07:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

about Press edition
I remove the "Lead too long" tag after your edition. If you feel it is still too long, feel free to revert my edition. Thank you. 19:17, 5 March 2015‎ Miracle dream (talk)

List Chinese inventions
I do some editions in that article to revert another users' change. I see you are the major contributor in that article so I notice you to get some suggestions. I see another IP user do some edition, and  without any citation. Hence, I do some revert,, and. The last revert is for another users' edition. I cannot whether I do the right edition so I hope you can make some judgement. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.242.249 (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for alerting me about the chain drive article. I've fixed that in the meantime. I will take a look at List of Chinese inventions next. Cheers. Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Everything you did in List of Chinese inventions looks fine. Thanks for letting me know. Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 01:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

mail

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List of emperors of the Song dynasty
You [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_emperors_of_the_Song_dynasty&diff=316135611&oldid=316127905 added] "Walton (1999), p. 199" in this article, but there is no correct citation in references section.--Namoroka (talk) 12:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the barnstar! I haven't been active in the last few months, so I apologize for the belated response. A lot of work still needs to be done, but I hope to eventually nominate the Yuan dynasty article for FA.--Khanate General <font color="#E30A17">☪ talk project mongol conquests 18:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about printing speed
I'm a bit troubled by the claims of printing speed being made on the printing press page. Apart from the fact that GPM and I are having a bit of back and forth, the numbers seem a bit off to me, and I'll like you opinion on it. Does 3600 pages a day assuming a 15-hour workday, or (on average) a page every 15 seconds for 15 hours non-stop, seem like a reasonable number for a hand-worked printing press? The other numbers on the page are 2000 pages a day for Asian block printing. Or 40 books a day from Korean movable-type block printing. Those numbers are sourced, but seems a bit off to me. LK (talk) 01:45, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Perfect!
Absolutely togalicious. And it even shows an early-ish Republican version. Very well found. Any more where that came from? Haploidavey (talk) 12:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the thanks. That pic has opened so many doors for me! Haploidavey (talk) 11:24, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, you're very good at it; and you've certainly a knack for serendipitous finds. Or maybe you just know the ropes. My own searches at Commons almost always founder on the Category rocks. (And btw, for a semi-retiree, you seem rather productive). Haploidavey (talk) 11:42, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you! The clothing article's a bit of a trudge; so it's nice to be noticed. Congrats on the DYK(s). An unfortunate(?) side effect of the first is that I'll probably have to remove Capitoline Brutus from the Toga article - what with the togate bust element being Renascence (I had no idea) and seemingly in late first century style. Heigh ho, so it goes.

I had a stalker's look at the work you've done on Sogdia; quite a revelation to me and I guess it's time for me to admit that I knew nothing about Sogida it. At all. Not even the name (let alone to how to spell it, ahem!), and this despite a long-standing fascination with the Silk Road (I've seen several TV programmes on the topic, over the years). Really nice work there! And a seriously fine, comprehensive set of images. Haploidavey (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

The images you just posted - feel free, anytime - are seriously astounding. As they speak for themselves, I won't waste too many words, but aren't they just...? The priest is more than a little spooky, and curiously, um, modern? Impressionistic? Muppetoid?? Haploidavey (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Now that really is scary. I demand an exorcism! Let him please be a camel rider... please let him be. Why else so... contorted? Haploidavey (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, even more powerful in the linked pic; eyes like gimlets! And, btw (while I'm here), impressive stats for Capitoline Brutus. Haploidavey (talk) 09:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC) .

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As you have no doubt seen, my last few edits have done quite a bit of restructuring/moving things around. I also copyedited to remove some repetitive wording/material. I wasn't aware that I had deleted large chunks of text or references – if I did, it was inadvertent and I apologise.



Regarding the map: one of the tings that I have been trying to do is to address a neglect of the Lesser Yuezhi, who remained in Gansu, the Tarim, Tibet etc. There has been a tendency in the article to focus only on the Great Yuezhi (Da Yuezhi). And that map gives an impression that all of the Yuezhi moved into Central Asia, so I moved it down the page to the "Exodus" section. I was planning to replace it with more generic/iconic image, like this one of a 1st Century Kushan.

What do you think?

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Thank you for you edits. Please note that a lot of these suggestions are entirely speculative, and may have no more substance than the opinion of a very small number of people, sometimes only one. Scholars often also interpret things differently, and they don't necessarily agree on what is what. Therefore I would suggest that a more careful use of source material is necessary, as well as a more careful use of language. Hzh (talk) 10:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The two scholars in question are Kazuo Enoki and Lucas Christopoulos, although I could perhaps find more to reach some sort of consensus. Research about Loulan doesn't seem to be a very widely explored topic in academia as a whole. If you can find sources to refute theirs by all means do so. And yes, I understand the research done by two individuals is not as conclusive as a full consensus from the scholarly community (including Sinologists, archaeologists, archaeo-genetecists, and linguists in both Indo-Iranian and Sino-Tibetan languages), so you're perhaps wise in changing the language to emphasize that it is the suggestion of the cited authors and not the conclusive views of the academic community. At the very least their works are at least published by academic presses, not some low-rent publishing house unattached from any respected institution. Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 10:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The Sino-Platonic Papers operates a little differently from normal journals - see here. It encourages young or not-well established scholars as well as independent authors to submit their papers, and it notes that the journal "is not the place for safe, sober, and stodgy presentations". Which is fine, but it does mean that it may not have the same rigour as normal journals. Some of the content are perfectly fine, and some of authors have good established reputation, but for more fringe suggestions, you should find alternative sources to support them, otherwise it would be WP:UNDUE. Hzh (talk) 11:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Loulan Kingdom again
Your edits have brought into focus a couple of issues:
 * 1 - An url is given so that other people who have no access to the book can check the source. Please do not remove them (and add them if you can find them).  While I may have the book in question, others may not or may not have ready access to the book, and it would help readers greatly to be able to look at the original source should they so wish.


 * 2 - Avoid attributing things the author did not say, and try to represent their view as accurately as possible, and do not extrapolate things. The sentence "Yet Susan Whitfield and Ursula Sims-Williams clarify that, unlike neighboring Khotan where an Iranian language was spoken, the native inhabitans of Loulan spoke a Tocharian dialect" is wrong. First, Susan Whitfield and Ursula Sims-Williams did not write that (they are the editors), it was written by Mariner Padwa.  Second, the author expressed doubt ("presence of loanwords and influences from numerous languages make this uncertain"), therefore it is wrong to make emphatic statement the author did not make. You should always try to be careful with the words used (I have already mentioned this before).  Some scholars believe that, although the people of Loulan once spoke Tocharian, but by the time those documents were written, it was largely a dead language with only some Tocharian words left (like Latin in modern English).  Others might disagree with their view, so we should be careful when writing something that is uncertain.  You should not make statements that might not be true, and I have seen a number of times where you did that. Hzh (talk) 12:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Firstly, where did you get the name "Mariner Padwa" from? She's not listed in the contents section of the book as having written that particular chapter. This is a book written by multiple authors and since an author's name is ommitted from that section, I assumed it was composed by the lead editors of the book. If Marina Padwa was the author then you need to cite it as such. About Tocharian, you're right that she expressed doubt and I should have incorporated that into statement about the Tocharian language (I simply misread that bit). As it looks now it appears to be fine, though, so thanks for the edit. Pericles of Athens  <font color="#0000CD">Talk 13:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The author of that part is given at the end of page 171 using the initial MP, and explained to be Mariner Padwa at the beginning of the book. Different books attribute authors differently - most do them at the Contents page, some may write the author at the top of the page, sometimes at the beginning or the end of the article/chapter/section. Hzh (talk) 13:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC)