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Dan Rasmussen edits
I'm an Iowa-moderate college educated Catholic who has a hard time with someone who uses Wiki for supposed conservative control for political purposes. So I will be checking your other Iowa delegation pages and change information as required. Fortunately, Wiki has a history of changes and the truth will prevail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.126.31.51 (talk • contribs)
 * Please do check my edits. You'll find that I carefully follow NPOV.  Additionally, when posting links, please ensure that they actually link to something - several of the links you've added were dead.  --Tim4christ17 talk 18:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added the right working link to the Rasmussen Watch Page. If we want to talk about NPOV I could point out that the Watch Page provides information with the writer's point of view. But information is accurate, just organized for easier access. It's up to the reader to determine fact from fiction. --Chrisjesup 28 March 2007
 * Thanks for the link. However, I removed it because its use would violate Wikipedia's policy on Attribution, which we must follow especially strictly since this article is a biography of a living person.  If you wish that information to be in the article, feel free to add it, just make sure that your source is reliable. --Tim4christ17 talk 19:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would also note that I have no feelings one way or another with regards to Mr. Rasmussen - I've never met him and know virtually nothing about him beyond what's shown on the page I started about him. In fact, that's the precise reason I started the pages on Iowa legislators - people often don't know much about them.  I strongly encourage the expansion of this and other pages, but would remind you that we must follow Wikipedia's policies while doing so.  --Tim4christ17 talk 19:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I appreciate your candor on this issue. I do know adding this web link in the EXTERNAL LINKS area doesn't truly violate the policy. It is not a source to your article and that it has information that is in an easier format for people to find actual information such as campaign contributions, voting record on some bills, etc. Most people can't do the research because of time and this page provides easy access to some research information. Too actually add the information on that website would take up too much space here. Maybe a partial disclaimer on the link would work as Wiki's reference states that personal websites are hard to define for external links. --Chrisjesup 29 March 2007
 * Meaning no offense, but information on how someone voted on just four bills is not enough to justify the link. Likewise, there are verifiable sites dedicated to campaign contributions including (If I remember correctly) some government sites.  You might consider the site that your link got its information from, for example.  Remember, even if he is merely summarizing information from elsewhere, the verifiability issues and the obvious NPOV issues would make this link extremely hard to justify even on a normal Wikipedia page - and the fact that we have to follow an extra-strict version of those policies due to WP:BLP makes it so that I can't see any justification for posting it.  Consider, for example, President Bush's page.  His page, which is probably one of the best politician pages available (due to plenty of people who support and who oppose Bush) only has four external links - and three of them are the equivalents of the two that already exist on Mr. Rasmussen's page.  If you think the information stated in that page is so important, create a "significant votes" section or a "campaign financing" section within the Wikipedia article - this will satisfy verifiability (if you cite each of your claims properly) and NPOV (if you present the information in a neutral manner).  --Tim4christ17 talk 07:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I just copy/pasted info from Stat Quo's (i think that was the page) page. That's what was used there.

Oh and for some reason Ca$his's page doesn't exist anymore... :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCoffinRobber (talk • contribs)

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Iowa United States Senate election, 2008
Hello! As a fellow Republican, I think we have common goals. Improve Wikipedia, and spread the Republican agenda. I do disagree however, on what you did on the page I listed above.

You removed my comment on a senior political person's opioion on the race. The person's name is on the 1st part of the page, where you hit main.

I will wait for your response, but if I put the name of said person, can I re-put it?

Politics rule 17:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A comment following the general format of "So-and-so, and whatever his notability is, said whatever he said" would be appropriate, provided a link to his comment is provided, and provided the person's statement is notably relevant to the article. As you edit, please remember WP:V, particularly when editing potentially controversial articles like this.
 * Also, please don't take this wrong, but your above comment suggests that you may be confused, the goal of Wikipedia has nothing to do with "spreading the Republican agenda" (remember WP:NPOV). I would respectfully suggest that if you wish to promote a Republican agenda, you may be more at home at Conservapedia or a similar wiki.  --Tim4christ17 talk 16:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

images from .gov docs not ok?
I listed the url on the ecomb page: http://www.miamidade.gov/mppa/library/pdf_project_files/2006/report_master_sept14.pdf

miamidade.gov not ok? &mdash;The preceding comment is by User: (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!
 * I've replied on your talk page (User talk:Ecombmiami) --Tim4christ17 talk 02:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Smith
I've add some details to you page on Rep. Mark Smith. I happen to be a relative, so you can be assured that the facts are correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.192.230 (talk • contribs)
 * I replied on your talk page (User talk:12.205.192.230). --Tim4christ17 talk 15:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm his daughter. Doesn't that count as a primary source? Otherwise, []. That's his bio on the website, which I wrote.
 * If you're getting it from personal information, it's called original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia, sorry. Getting it from a "trusted" website is okay.  If this is Representative Smith's website, as it appears to be, than it is acceptable.  (Self published material may only be used in Biographies of living persons when published by the subject).  Hope that answers your questions. I also posted this message at your talk page --Tim4christ17 talk 17:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Template trouble
I saw you seem to know quite about making templates...so I was wondering if you know whether it's possible to make a template apply a category only when the template is being used in the User: namespace? Thanks. --User:Tim4christ17 talk 15:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC-5)
 * Sorry I did not see your question sooner. I have been having problems finding time for Wikis as I have been working (offline) with a program called Google Sketchup.  With it, I can create models of homes that you see in This Old House.


 * As for your question, you need the code shown below.


 * Will (Talk - contribs) 02:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Iowa
Finally, someone still interested in the project. I'm currently trying to make the project's pages more useful so that more people could possibly join the project. I'll be focusing on the Government workgroup for a while then moving onto the (not yet established) Communities workgroup. These two groups would cover a majority of Iowa articles. If you'd like to help me in this we could discuss it here or in irc chat? Thanks, and I've put your talk page on my watchlist.  Psych  less   00:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm...didn't see this here - I just put a comment on your talk page. And of course I'm still interested - most of the people on the list there are.  It's just that there's been nothing to talk about in the Project talk page for a while.  --Tim4christ17 talk 00:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't see your edit, I just thought I was conflicting with my own edit which sometimes happens. You're free to restore it. And yes, the government workgroup will be updated by the WP1.0 bot. And why I added the tables that had to be manually updated is so that if a person wanted to say, see which articles on Iowa representatives needed work on the most they could easily do so. It's basically putting them in a more specific workgroup. I believe this is a good idea as it helps people find articles they'd be interested in improving. I'll take the responsibility of updating the tables, which will actually be fairly easy with the various logs the bot generates. If you'd be interested in helping me with the tables I do need help on the different sections of Iowa government. I know we would need sections on the Iowa Senate, and the Iowa House of Representatives, and for the governors, but what else? Hope this helped clarify things.  Psych  less   00:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Now that table sounds like a good idea.  I'm wondering if an existing bot can be tasked to populate the table automatically, though?  (For those who don't wish to comment on the page - this sounds easier than doing it yourself.)  As for the Iowa House and Senate, I'm working on those - as you may have noticed from my user page, they are my primary focus presently - once I'm done with some maintanence to the articles of individual legislators, I'll work on improving/cleaning up the articles for the General Assembly, House, and Senate.  Also, as you may also have noticed, I have experience creating templates (though I haven't gotten the "#if" stuff down yet) - if you have any ideas for further templates.  As far as updating templates with the "|government" parameter, I can use AutoWikiBrower for that - going through relevant categories. --Tim4christ17 talk 00:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose it could be done by a bot, but not easily. If you can find someone who'd like to do it then it's fine by me. I'm currently trying to manage the WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive. The thing just seems to devour up time, with all the issues constantly arising from it. Now we have two people who are against the mass assessing of articles, thinking that because we're doing it fast, our assessment's will be inaccurate. As expected they have no examples of this. Do you know anything about the Iowa Judicial Branch? Isn't there some other offices like Secretary of State, or Attorney General? I'll try to work on creating a list of Iowa senators and a list of members of the Iowa House of Representatives next.  Psych  less   01:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you read the Iowa article, it has a list of state-wide elected officials in Iowa. Additionally, an article as a list of Iowa Senators or Iowa Representatives would not be helpful - and has already been rejected at AfD.  It's be much more useful to simply work on the Iowa Senate and Iowa House articles - which I will be doing shortly (feel free to join in the effort, though). --Tim4christ17 talk 01:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a link to the afd discussion? Or why was it rejected? Do people not consider every Iowa Senator or Representative notable?  Psych  less   01:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not at all - the reason was that the list was redundant with the templates which show the members of the Iowa Senate and Iowa House. An article listing all of the members (past and present) would be a good idea, but would take forever to work out even the names to go on such a list.  A link to the AfD discussion is here. --Tim4christ17 talk 01:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

(outdent, I'm not typing that many colons :)) We were both misunderstanding each other then, my idea was to create a list of all of them, and I don't mind the amount of time it will take, someone has to do it. If we don't even know the names of the senators and representatives we can't work towards creating articles on them.  Psych  less   02:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * True... --Tim4christ17 talk 04:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * While trying to create a new workgroup hierarchy for WikiProject Biography, I thought of how a bot could update those tables for us. We could have a |section= parameter in the template. For example, I'm tagging the article Iowa Democratic Party with the template. I would fill in the |section= parameter with: Offices, districts, and miscellaneous. We would have a bot go through articles in the workgroup and parse the page for it. Then the bot would update it's entry in the table if necessary. Does this sound like a good idea?  Psych  less   00:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I must confess to some mild confusion here - why can't the bot just detect the |government=yes parameter? Alternatively, why can't the bot simply parse the categories the parameter creates?  Perhaps my confusion is due to the fact that I don't really know how bots operate, but it seems that that would be simpler. --Tim4christ17 talk 07:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The section parameter would be for updating the tables in the WikiProject Iowa/Government section. The bot would be to update those tables. We need the section parameter to tell the bot which table to put it in.  Psych  less   14:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you understand how this works and agree that it would be a good idea then I will request a bot for this task at WP:BOTREQ.
 * Go ahead. I'm still not entirely clear...but you seem to know what you're doing :-D  Tim4christ17 talk 19:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I'm ready to start working on this again. Here's how it will work... Each section will have a code:


 * Offices, districts, and miscellaneous – odm
 * House of Representatives – hor
 * United States Senate – uss
 * General articles – ga
 * Governor – g
 * Secretary of State – sos
 * Lieutenant Governor – lg
 * Attorney General – ag
 * Supreme Court – sc
 * Speakers of the House – soth
 * Auditors of State – aos
 * Treasurers of State – tos
 * Iowa Senate – is
 * Iowa House of Representatives – ihor
 * Misc. Offices – mo

Now, let's say you're assessing an article on a member of the Iowa Senate. Let's say it's Start class and Mid importance. You would put this on the talk page:

A bot would go through all the articles tagged with Project Iowa and that have the parameter |government= set to yes. The bot would see what's in the section parameter for each article. If it's is then the bot would add an entry to the Iowa Senate table on the article. It would also update the tables as necessary. Does this make any more sense?  Psych  less   22:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that I think of it, my proposal would create entirely too much work. I think the best thing to do would probably be just work on the articles instead of trying to organize them.  Psych  less   16:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that would be a good idea. --Tim4christ17 talk 10:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)  Aargh, I'm doing it again - I've been on Wikibreak for two days and I'm still editing anyway.  --Tim4christ17 talk 10:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Your Comments on My Page
Hey Tim -

In response to your comments at Talk:Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy, I have a couple things to say:

1. My understanding (and I'm an amateur in this area, so I might be wrong) is that the term "Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" does refer mainly to the controversy within the Presbyterian Church in the USA. I think that Wikipedia could go for a broader article on the topic of "Liberal vs. Conservative Christianity in America in the Early 20th Century" (or, better yet, something with a better title that people might actually search for), but I would actually limit the term "Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" to what happened within Presbyterianism. Today, I modified the article to include the relationship of the Presbyterian Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy. Since you're someone who's studied this topic, I'd like to know if you think that the current page is basically accurate, or if it still leaves something to be desired.

2. When I wrote that article, I assumed that if that understanding was wrong, someone would write a broader article on "The Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" and re-label my article as "The Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy in the Presbyterian Church" or something like that.

3. I think that given 20th-century developments, it's easy to forget how closely allied Presbyterians and Baptists were at the start of the 20th century. I don't know that I sufficiently incorporated Baptists into the article. But heck, the point of Wikipedia isn't that I'm an expert in that topic, it's that it's supposed to call forth editing by people who genuinely are. Ahem, ahem. I have some minor, amateur expertise on early-20th century Presbyterianism, so I wrote an article on that topic. I don't claim to be an expert on the topic - I just wanted to impart what I know.

4. Overall, I think that a lot of people who comment on the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy often don't even know the basic details. I think that my article actually provides people with a lot more historical knowledge than they would normally be able to access. Heck, I basically wrote the article because I thought that there wasn't a good website available on the topic and, rather than create one myself, I thought I might as well use Wikipedia. I certainly don't mean to pose as some sort of sole arbiter on this issue - I just wrote about stuff that I know.

5. Any suggestions you have to improve the article would be greatly appreciated. I am not, of course, the owner of this page, though I wrote the first draft. My hope in doing that first draft was that people would add more, find my errors, etc. - which hasn't really happened. But seriously, any problems you see with the article or if you have stuff you want to add, please feel free. Adam_sk 02:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Republican Party verification
Thank you for your note. You'll find a further cite and a clarification on the Republican Party page.--Primal Chaos 21:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Closed the discussion
Hello! I hope you are feeling great. I have just closed the discussion with regards to this page. I guess consensus was clear here and a common agreement was reached. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 07:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me
I read about that discussion you had on my user page. Thanks for being the only one to vote yes... i am new... and it did upset me. You guys should be a little nicer cuz that should be put under bullying in the encyclopidia. And now you are planning to rip apart my user page? Geez! I'm telling all my friends and teachers and school not to use wikipedia because it is harsh, cruel, crude, and overall not understanding. They will all listen! But thank you for listening to me. I am still very upset though. I don't even have a myspace. Those were all STORIES! I like to write STORIES! I had them there so all my friends in school could read my STORIES! Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Subpages_of_FonzieBaby BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 20:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you appear not to understand the purpose of Wikipedia - regardless of what you call them, what you were doing amounted to blogging - something which Wikipedia is not. If you wish to publish them online, I suggest that you get a xanga or blogger account and put them there.  Yes, the people involved should have been a little more careful not to bite the newcomer by explaining what was going on, but the content was inappropriate for an encyclopedia and was correctly removed.  --Tim4christ17 talk 13:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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greetings, friend- --Elindstr (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Iowa secretaries of state
Category:Iowa secretaries of state, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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Rollback request
Hi Philosopher, I've granted your request. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. Cheers :) ~ Riana ⁂ 19:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 19:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * ACTRIAL, a research experiment that restricts article creation to autoconfirmed users, will begin on September 7. It will run for six months. You can learn more about the research specifics at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial, while Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial is probably the best venue for general discussion.
 * Following an RfC, WP:G13 speedy deletion criterion now applies to any page in the draftspace that has not been edited in six months. There is a bot-generated report, updated daily, to help identify potentially qualifying drafts that have not been submitted through articles for creation.

Technical news
 * You will now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device that has logged into your account before, you will be notified after five failed attempts. You can also set in your preferences to get an email when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address, which may be encouraged for admins and accounts with sensitive permissions.
 * Syntax highlighting is now available as a beta feature (more info). This may assist administrators and template editors when dealing with intricate syntax of high-risk templates and system messages.
 * In your notification preferences, you can now block specific users from pinging you. This functionality will soon be available for Special:EmailUser as well.

Arbitration
 * Applications for CheckUser and Oversight are being accepted by the Arbitration Committee until September 12. Community discussion of the candidates will begin on September 18.

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Rod Halvorson
Philosopher, Thank you for establishing my wiki page. I would like your help to update my information, especially my political activities that followed my defeat in the 1998 election. After the Iowa Legislature (1979-1999), I worked as the Substitute Administrator for the Iowa Alcoholic Beverages Division. Then moved back to my home state of Minnesota November of 2000 and became very active in the DFL Party and held two public offices in Minnesota. In addition, I have been elected to serve as a Democratic National Convention delegate/alternate five times. Three in Iowa and two in Minnesota (Iowa - 1980 alternate, 1984 and 2000 delegate; Minnesota delegate 2004 and 2016). There is more and I would like your help to include it in by biography. Can I send you a suggested and significant change for your to consider adding? 156.99.40.14 (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)Rod Halvorson halvorrod@yahoo.com 651-235-6036

Tech News: 2017-36
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News
 * We are asking Tech News readers five questions to make the newsletter better. You can answer the questions here. We are grateful for every reply we get.

Recent changes
 * The RevisionSlider user interface has changed. You can now select revisions by clicking on the bars. You can move the blue knob past the yellow one and the yellow one will move along, and the other way around.

Problems
 * Some users have problems loading very large watchlists. It is working better than earlier but the problem has not been solved. The developers are working on fixing it. Until it has been fixed you can turn on "" in your preferences and see if it helps.

Changes later this week
 * New filters for edit review is a beta feature to improve recent changes pages. It will work on watchlists from 5 September.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 September. It will be on all wikis from 7 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 5 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can see a presentation about and discuss the new Technical Committee on 5 September at 17:30 (UTC). There will be a presentation on YouTube and a discussion in  on Freenode. You can use the web chat.

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The Signpost: 6 September 2017
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Tech News: 2017-37
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can get a notification when a page you created is connected to a Wikidata item. You can choose to get these notifications in your preferences. Some wikis already had this option. It is now available on all wikis.
 * The Newsletter extension is now on mediawiki.org. The newsletter extension is for newsletters where you can subscribe by getting a notification when a new issue has been published. It will come to more wikis later.
 * The Linter extension helps you find technical errors in articles. There is now a new high-priority category: . This usually affects templates with horizontal lists. You can read more about using Linter and the Tidy whitespace bug.

Problems
 * Tech News 2017/36 reported about new filters for edit review coming to watchlists. This was planned to happen last week. It will happen next week instead.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 September. It will be on all wikis from 14 September (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg OOjs UI will be updated. This could affect some icons. You can read more about the changes.

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * You can't use OCG to create PDFs after 1 October. This is because of technical problems. You can use Electron instead. Most PDFs are already created with Electron. Electron will get missing features before 1 October. You can create books but they will not have all planned features until November or December. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
 * New filters for edit review are available now on recent changes as a beta feature. Some of those filters and other features will be deployed as default features in the coming weeks. Users will be able to opt out in their preferences.

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Tech News: 2017-38
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now see contributions from an IP range at Special:Contributions. Before you could only see contributions from single IP addresses. Some older contributions from IP ranges could be missing at first because it will take some time to add them.
 * Flow has been re-scoped to become Structured Discussions and the development has restarted. Phabricator projects and repositories have been renamed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 September. It will be on all wikis from 21 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 September at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * We are replacing Tidy on Wikimedia wikis. Editors need to fix pages that could break. You can read the simplified instructions for editors. Some wikis have already switched. If your wiki would like to switch to the new format now, you can file a task.

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The Signpost: 25 September 2017
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Tech News: 2017-39
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Wikitext syntax highlighting is a beta feature on Wikimedia wikis with text written from left to right. This beta feature is based on CodeMirror. You can now search through the entire article with +  or  +  when you edit. Before it just searched through a part of the article. The developers are also fixing a couple of other bugs.
 * Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions as a beta feature or by default can now create and move Structured Discussions boards. Structured Discussions was previously called Flow.

Changes later this week
 * You now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device or IP address that have logged in to your account before you will be notified after five failed attempts. For security reasons you will soon get an email by default when someone tries to log in to your account and when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address. This can be turned off in your preferences.
 * Users with extremely old browsers (for example Netscape 2–4, released from 1995–1997) which do not support Unicode will no longer be able to edit. They should try to install a new browser.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September. (calendar).

Meetings Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.


 * The Wikimedia Foundation Readers department has proposed changing the mobile website. You can read more on mediawiki.org. This would be a big change.
 * You can't use OCG to create PDFs after 1 October. This is because of technical problems. You can still create PDFs. Tech News 2017/37 said the function to create PDFs from books would still work. It is now clear it will not work for the next few months. The developers are working on fixing this. You can read more on mediawiki.org.

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2017). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Boing! said Zebedee • Ansh666 • Ad Orientem
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Tonywalton • AmiDaniel • Silence • BanyanTree • Magioladitis • Vanamonde93 • Mr.Z-man • Jdavidb • Jakec • Ram-Man • Yelyos • Kurt Shaped Box

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a successful proposal to create it, a new user right called "edit filter helper" is now assignable and revocable by administrators. The right allows non-administrators to view the details of private edit filters, but not to edit them.
 * Following a discussion about mass-application of ECP and how the need for logging and other details of an evolving consensus may have been missed by some administrators, a rough guide to extended confirmed protection has been written. This information page describes how the extended-confirmed aspects of the protection policy are currently being applied by administrators.

Technical news
 * You can now search for IP ranges at Special:Contributions. Some log pages and Special:DeletedContributions are not yet supported. Wildcards (e.g. 192.168.0.*) are also not supported, but the popular contribsrange gadget will continue to work.

Arbitration
 * Community consultation on the 2017 candidates for CheckUser and Oversight has concluded. The Arbitration Committee will appoint successful candidates by October 11.
 * A request for comment is open regarding the structure, rules, and procedures of the December 2017 Arbitration Committee election, and how to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.

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Tech News: 2017-40
<section begin="technews-2017-W40"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now use preload features in the visual editor. This means you can create links to create new pages and some text will already be in the edit window when someone clicks on it.

Changes later this week
 * If you have turned on "" you will now get the 2017 wikitext editor. Before this you had to turn it on manually even though it is a beta feature.
 * Special:Block and Special:Unblock will get the OOUI look.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The jQuery library will be upgraded to version 3 on all Wiktionary wikis from 2 October. It will be on all non-Wikipedia wikis from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 3 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * A new feature called Reading Lists are coming to the Wikipedia mobile apps. First it will be in the Android version. Reading Lists are a private user preference where you can see lists of articles on multiple devices. You can give feedback on this feature.
 * The search function has used fallback languages for language analysis. This means a language could be analysed with the grammar of a completely unrelated language to find related words. This will be removed from most wikis the week starting with 9 October. You can read more and give feedback.

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Tech News: 2017-41
<section begin="technews-2017-W41"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The number of active users listed by  and on Special:Statistics will now only include Wikidata edits as activity on Wikidata and not on other wikis too.
 * Previously you could create wiki links starting with two colons. Now you need to use one colon. :File:X.jpg now has to be File:X.jpg . There is now a new Linter category. You can see a list on Special:Linterrors/multi-colon-escape. The Linter extension helps you find technical errors in articles. You can read more about using Linter.

Problems
 * You will not be able to edit or upload files to Commons for around 30 minutes on 11 October. This will start at 06:00 UTC. This is because of work to let Commons show 3D models.

Changes later this week
 * The font in the edit window is monospace by default. Today you can change preferences to another font family or use "the browser default" instead of monospace. Switching to the browser default has only changed the font on Macs. The option to use browser default will be removed this week.
 * If you want to print a page or make a PDF of a page you can do so in the side menu. The way the pages look when you do this will change. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 October. It will be on all wikis from 12 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2017-W41"/> 14:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-42
<section begin="technews-2017-W42"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * When you edit a template with the visual editor it follows the template's  configuration on how to save it. You can now change the format in more powerful ways if your wiki wants it.
 * The TwoColConflict extension is a new way to solve edit conflicts. It makes it easier to copy and paste the relevant text to the text field. It has been a beta feature for the last five months. You can now try out the new interface on a page where you will actually get simulated edit conflicts. You can give feedback to the developers.

Problems
 * There is a problem with recent changes pages and your watchlist that show a large number of pages. Until it is fixed, Wikidata edits will not be shown on recent changes or in your watchlist on Commons or Russian Wikipedia. If necessary, Wikidata edits will be removed from all wikis.
 * Notifications are not working for some actions. For example some users don't get a notification when they are mentioned. The developers are working on fixing this.
 * Users on some wikis could not change their preferences. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Editors and readers who still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP will not be able to use Wikipedia from 17 October. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP can't connect securely to the wikis. When we allow them to do so it means that we get less security for everyone else. If you use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP you can install Firefox 52 ESR instead. Around 0.1% of the traffic to the Wikimedia wikis comes from Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 October. It will be on all wikis from 19 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 17 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 18 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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The Signpost: 23 October 2017
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Tech News: 2017-43
<section begin="technews-2017-W43"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can use  when you create an abuse filter. This can be used to look for multiple words or phrases within a string. It will find words where some characters have been replaced. You can read more in the documentation.
 * When you search in some languages the search function could use specific other languages if the first language didn't work. This is called a fallback language. This didn't work properly and created bad searches. The search index is being fixed to work better.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 October. It will be on all wikis from 26 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 24 October at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 25 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * There is a Structured Commons community focus group for Commons and Wikidata contributors who want to give input on structured data on Wikimedia Commons. You can sign up to join it.

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Tech News: 2017-44
<section begin="technews-2017-W44"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * You can now block users from emailing you through the Wikimedia wikis.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 November. It will be on all wikis from 2 November (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 October at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Administrators' newsletter – November 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Longhair • Megalibrarygirl • TonyBallioni • Vanamonde93
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Allen3 • Eluchil404 • Arthur Rubin • Bencherlite

Technical news
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team is creating an "Interaction Timeline" tool that intends to assist administrators in resolving user conduct disputes. Feedback on the concept may be posted on the talk page.
 * A new function is now available to edit filter managers that will make it easier to look for multiple strings containing spoofed text.

Arbitration
 * Eligible editors will be invited to submit candidate statements for the 2017 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 12 until November 21. Voting will begin on November 27 and last until December 10.
 * Following a request for comment,, and  will serve as the Electoral Commission for the 2017 ArbCom Elections.

Obituaries
 * The Wikipedia community has recently learned that (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as . Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

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WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results
The final round of the 2017 WikiCup is over. Congratulations to the 2017 WikiCup top three finalists:
 * First Place -
 * Second Place -
 * Third Place -

In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:
 * Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
 * Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
 * Featured List – and  both produced 2 FLs in R2
 * Featured Pictures – improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
 * Featured Topic – has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
 * Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
 * Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
 * In The News – had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
 * Good Article Review – completed 31 GARs in R1.

Over the course of the 2017 WikiCup the following content was added or improved on Wikipedia: 51 Featured Articles, 292 Good Articles, 18 Featured Lists, 1 Featured Picture, 1 Featured Topics, 4 Good Topics, around 400 Did You Knows, 75 In The News, and 442 Good Article Reviews. Thank you to all the competitors for your hard work and what you have done to improve Wikipedia.

Regarding the prize vouchers - please send  an email from the email address to which you would like your Amazon voucher sent. Please include your preference of global Amazon marketplace as well. We hope to have the electronic gift cards processed and sent within a week.

We will open up a discussion for comments on process and scoring in a few days. The 2018 WikiCup is just around the corner! Many thanks from all the judges. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. ,, and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-45
<section begin="technews-2017-W45"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You will no longer see the patrol log on Special:Log unless you specifically select it.

Changes later this week
 * The 2017 Community Wishlist Survey begins on 6 November. You can post proposals from 19:00 UTC and until November 19.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 November. It will be on all wikis from 9 November (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 8 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * URLs that link to sections on Wikimedia wikis with non-Latin scripts have looked like this:  instead of  . This will soon be fixed. Old links will still work.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2017-W45"/> 18:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-46
<section begin="technews-2017-W46"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * The diff you see when you compare two different versions of a page has changed on MediaWiki.org and the test wiki. This is to make it easier to find a text change in a moved paragraph. It will hopefully soon come to more wikis. You can report bugs in Phabricator.
 * A new user group on Commons will be able to upload MP3 files. The plan is to have this user group from 17 November.
 * Wikis using Flagged Revisions will get the New filters for Edit Review by default on the recent changes pages. It will be possible to opt-out in user preferences.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 November. It will be on all wikis from 16 November (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 15 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Support for uploading and viewing 3D models is coming soon to Wikimedia Commons. The feature will support the .STL file format. You can see an example on the test wiki.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2017-W46"/> 19:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018
So the 2017 WikiCup has come to an end. Congratulations to the winner, to the other finalists and to all those who took part. 177 contestants signed up, more than usual, but not all of them submitted entries in the first round. Were editors attracted by the cash prizes offered for the first time this year, or were these irrelevant? Do the rules and scoring need changing for the 2018 WikiCup? If you have a view on these or other matters, why not join in the WikiCup discussion about next year's contest? , and. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-47
<section begin="technews-2017-W47"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * If you use the Chrome web browser on Android you can see a download icon on the mobile website. You can download a formatted PDF. It will work in other mobile browsers in the future.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The abuse filter now has a function called . You can use it to store matches from regular expressions – one of each capturing group. You can read more in Phabricator.

Problems
 * Last week's MediaWiki version didn't come to all Wikipedias because of a database crash. It will be on all wikis on 20 November.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 November at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Language converter syntax will no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like  must be replaced. You will have to write   instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian. This will happen next week.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2017-W47"/> 19:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 November 2017
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