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DYK
Coming from the novel DYK: I'd have liked a modified hook, but guess that now - with a different one approved - that's no longer needed? - The composer is on the Main page now. If you see details that would add to knowing about him from Polish sources I wouldn't even know to find, that would be great, but obviously it was sufficient what's there. After I asked you, I found Polskie Radio and CDMC by just looking for an opera title. More detail about performances would add life to it. There was a claim in an early version (look at any before he died) that a particular trio was successful in the U.S.. - no source. When I asked it just said two operas were performed abroad", - we have now at least a bit more precision about a few stages and people. - I like to listen to his music! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt Always happy to help. For now I've added some missing links (mostly to pl wiki); see also comment on talk about possible minor error. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Next Polish musician died, Ewa Podleś - same request. Recordings need references to make her acceptable for RD. I'll probably manage, but help is always welcome. Let's keep edits short, to avoid edit conflicts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The notice of her death is a hopelessly botched copy from Wikipedia, but I saw something more decent-looking in Polish, such as . Can you add that and take from it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt Not sure exactly what you are asking, but I've done a c/e pass on that article. If you cannot find refs for some claim, let me know and I'll see if I can locate it in Polish. Likely useful source: . Links to media articles (its own?) at the bottom, requires free registration. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm on vacation, have little time for her, and almost any help is welcome. I thought her case would be easy, and just adding ref GSL to what was there would suffice, but no, what it says is often not yet there, or contradicts. I can see only its first page, not the second which would have recordings. So, more precisely:
 * All recordings need a ref (and not Discogs).
 * Many of the refs in the article don't work any more and need to be replaced (such as Met).
 * The article has a lot of detail for some things but misses others, - out of balance. (Somehow none of the regular editor of project opera touched it.)
 * As said, I'll manage, but she'd deserve mentioning sooner than I would ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Update: I translated the long Polish obit bit by bit, and found a few pearls among a lot of general cultural rambling. I also found a ref which summarily covers most recordings. Missing Mozart's Requiem and Puccini's Il Trittico, but both not critical to overall impression. I nominated for RD, and please feel free to watch WP:ITNN over the next days, because I'll be mostly.out, so not able to respond quickly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Minor Apr 10 casualty afds
Hello, how about mass-deleting all those bios You suggested today but just include short blurbs about them in an expanded casualties table? --Ouro (blah blah) 08:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ouro I have no objection to any merges, which can be boldy done anytime. But any deletion, mass or otherwise, has to go through AfD. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You are right of course. I failed to stress the 'mass' portion, as in: single afd for all those persons. --Ouro (blah blah) 09:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ouro I do not know how to make mass (group) afds. If there is a convinient gadget, please let me know, I'd be happy to learn. Doing so manually is a pain :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh there probably is some tool to aid you much like suggesting an ITN thing is easy. I haven't learned that either. I can do a non-admin closure of an afd, that's as far as I have gotten :) --Ouro (blah blah) 10:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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SFE
Saw this (as I'm guessing you intended me to, seeing as you mentioned and pinged me by linking my username). Congratulations, that's great! TompaDompa (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @TompaDompa Still not sure if this will happen, but thanks :) Hopefully this can benefit both projects. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Counterweight (novel)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archaeology of the Holocaust
Hi @Piotrus Courtesy ping as since the AfD process was started, the article has been significantly changed. Shazback (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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Ancient message
Hi, I 've just been browsing my archived talk pages. A very long time ago in November 2015, you posted a message on my talk page about Jean Vesque de Puttelange. I seem to remember that I wasn't interested at the time, I might have seemed dismissive. Sorry if that was the impression. If you still think we could get the article to FA status as you suggested, I would be happy work towards it with you. Maybe it could do with some some Polish-language refs. At any rate, I hope you are keeping well. MinorProphet (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @MinorProphet Thanks for getting back to me. Right now I don't think I have the time and will to work on this particular project extensively, but if you would be improving it (to GA or FA), I'd be happy to check Polish sources for content. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Your WikiCup submissions: Template:Did you know nominations/Zwycięzcy oceanu, Template:Did you know nominations/Morning Dew (Korean song)
Hi Piotrus, thanks for participating in the WikiCup. You recently submitted Template:Did you know nominations/Zwycięzcy oceanu, Template:Did you know nominations/Morning Dew (Korean song) for DYK points in the WikiCup, but neither of these articles have even been approved yet, let alone appeared on DYK. As per WikiCup/Scoring, points cannot be granted until the article has actually been featured on the main page. Due to the DYK backlog, it is unlikely that they will appear on the Main Page within five days, even if they are promoted right now.

As such, I will remove these two nominations from your submissions page. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish Roman Catholic abbesses


A tag has been placed on Category:Polish Roman Catholic abbesses indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 09:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

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There is a real problem and it isn't personal
please do not portray it that way. I do not want to go into this either here or in email but... You leave me speechless. I will say this here however: you are not mentoring. Are you enabling? It probably is something you need to decide, not me, and please note that this is a question not an accusation. I think you and I should just let this sit for a few days, but let's keep in mind that you proposed a completely unwarranted sanction on me, hmmm? It is always your mentee that starts the drama, always, and always has been. It's time you acknowledged that. Houston, we have a problem here. Elinruby (talk) 00:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Elinruby Dear Elinruby. Am I mentoring? Not much, since I do not have time to follow what other editors are doing and respond only if pinged or such. Am I enabling? Well, enabling what? You say Marcelus is starting trouble. Perhaps - but all I see just some minor editorial disagreements (mind you, I repeat, I had no time to devle into most edits, I just checked a few at random, inclusing some, but not all, of what you presented - sorry, I am very busy these days; on the other hands I notice Marcelus starting new, nice articles like Sigismund Augustus Gymnasium in Vilnius and I'd hate to see him go and loose a valuable content cotnributor). IF there is a real problem - well, hopefully admins will see it and act. But please note that I am not proposing a sanction on you, I am just saying that uninvolved admins may conclude that the easiest solution for a standard dramu on admin board is to sanction everyone involved, and I do not want to see you sanctioned (and would oppose any serious sanction on you if proposed, since I consider you both a wikifriend and a valuable contributor to Wikipedia). On his talk page, Marcelus told that he will do his best to stay away from you; I hope this will be the case and that it will solve the issues we are facing. In either case, I have withdrawn from the A-thread and I agree we should let uninvolved editors look at the case and evidence. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not want to argue with you in front of your students. However.


 * I understand that you are busy but that is the problem. People gave him rope because they thought you were paying attention. As we both know, he does not consult you.


 * Point of order, he told you he *stays* away from me, which is not not true, and he is entitled and domineering when he parachutes in and demands changes for which he refuses to provide a source.


 * And I guess I hallucinated the part about an interaction ban? That would also be a sanction on me, and prevent the cleanup I am doing in Lithuania.


 * I documented several straight-faced misrepresentations at noticeboards. How am I supposed to trust his sourcing? Please find the time to go read my finished statement. I am not asking for a public reaction, just a good hard look. I can't keep allowing this. Holocaust in Lithuania doesn't even discuss the Jewish resistance ffs. I understand the importance of Vilnius but it is important in more ways than just to Poland, for example.


 * I would like to resolve this. I will give some thought to a way forward but source verification can't exclude Marcelus, especially given his misrepresentations in his appeal.Elinruby (talk) 02:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for elaborating. I think what you are doing is correct - presenting evidence for admins to review. Source misrepresentation is a serious issue and should be look at. If there is any Polish source that cannot be translated easily, I'd be happy to take a look. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am saying that at ANI he misrepresented what happened at AE and at AN right now he has failed to mention his final warning from November.
 * I do not know if he misrepresents sources because he doesn't provide any or when he does he sneers when I cannot verify his sourcing. When he deigns to provide any, which he generally refuses to do or even to discuss. What he puts in articles may well be fine. But a specific issue is that he replaced a bunch of my sources with and insists on using Wnuk, 2018 I think it was, who as best as I can tell is a respectable historian. On the other hand it's not online and not available in any library within 500 miles of here. And this is for stupid stuff like the date of the June uprising, that *was* sourced to something online in English. It is true that sources are not required to be online, but English language sources that are easily verified are preferred. Seriously. Just look at the attitude on display. He wants to use that one because... It's the source he knows and he has a copy. And in the thread I linked titled "Recent changes by Elinruby" he just demands that I make changes, refuses to provide any sources that say so and just tells me I am wrong
 * And I am supposed to believe him after he implied at ANI that Cukrakalnis had had a final warning over at AE whitewashing Nazis or whatever, when in fact in was for losing his temper over being repeatedly accused of this. Elinruby (talk) 03:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that he is claiming "trouble-free editing" after making that egregiously false accusation over Cukrakalnis removing IP vandalism from the lede. Elinruby (talk) 03:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that I did not initiate any of this. Those links in my oppose are ALL very much NOT Marcelus leaving me alone like he just told you he does. Are you starting to see why I felt I had to say something? Elinruby (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going back to what I was doing. Take some time with this. I don't need a reaction right now. Elinruby (talk) 04:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Władysław Umiński at The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction
Saw that https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/uminski_wladyslaw was among the most recently added SFE entries. I hope to see many more entries in the future! TompaDompa (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @TompaDompa Thank you - they forgot to email me with the info that it was public/accepted (I did not notice it on their front page). In related news, I wrote an article about most of Umiński's works, for now mostly in Polish (pl:Kategoria:Twórczość Władysława Umińskiego). Given the COI, I'll let you decide whether the article merits citing in our discussions of Mars, Venus, and military sf (Umiński work is IMHO one of the earliest if not the earliest example of Polish mil sf; I am particularly proud of my OR here, as no prior critical work about him has noticed the sf elements of those two works I discuss in my entry). Hmmm, we do not have an article about submarines in fiction or airships in fiction (just categories), so that is not that helpful yet. Some of this might be worth adding to our Good Article about Umiński himself too. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 00:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We probably should have articles on submarines in fiction and airships in fiction; I recall both coming up a fair amount in the sources I used for George Griffith. TompaDompa (talk) 10:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Umiński was already mentioned on Mars in fiction and Venus in fiction. I added the SFE entry to both per WP:NONENG as both mentions were cited to Polish-language sources (I kept the original source on the Mars article as it was on the overarching topic and replaced it on the Venus article as it was on Umiński). TompaDompa (talk) 11:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 61
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User:MarcelinaMajerczyk/Reception of the Jews, from the series “History of Civilization in Poland”
Cześć,

Piszę tutaj, ponieważ sprawa dotyczy angielskiej Wikipedii. Nowicjuszka w ramach akcji Wikimatejko na pl wiki napisała do mnie, żeby przenieść jej do przestrzeni głównej angielskiej Wikipedii tłumaczenie z pl wiki. Osobiście sądzę, że – zwłaszcza biorąc pod uwagę ostre kryteria artykułów na en wiki – ten artykuł jeszcze się do tego nie nadaje. Jako że brałeś udział w tworzeniu wyróżnionych haseł o Matejce na en wiki – zerknąłbyś na ten brudnopis i przesłałbyś nowicjuszce uwagi? Pozdrawiam, Filip (MNK) (talk) 09:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Filip (MNK) Witam. Więc w skrócie, tak: hasło można opublikować, tak jak na pl wiki, temat jest oczywiście encyklopedyczny, natomiast zawiera sporo niedociągnięć technicznych (trochę stylowych, są problemy z przypisami/źródłami). Hasło może być zbrudnopisowane jak się przyczepi ktoś, no i na pewno w obecnym stanie nie może być wyróżnione przez ekspozycje na stronie głównej. Jako, że prosisz o konkretne uwagi dla nowicjuszki:
 * widzę, że to tłumaczenie z pl wiki. Tam jest oryginalne hasło, niestety też niedokończone (tj. nie spełniające obecnych standardów), no więc wszystkie błedy i problemy przetłumaczono do nas. Przy czym moje uwagi w zasadzie dotyczą też hasła polskiego
 * za mała gęstość przypisów, na Wikipedii wymagany jest przypis do każdego paragrafu. Więcej niż jeden, może być też do każdego zdania. Musi być jasne, skąd pochodz dana informacja. Odsyłam poglądowo do Dobrego Artykułu z en: Stańczyk (painting)
 * straszne propagandowo brzmi "The depiction conveys the concept of showcasing the high level of intellectual and moral standards in Poland" i boli tu brak przypisów. Jaki historyk sztuki tą laurkę napisal? Można zostawić jak da się to komuś znanemu przypisać.
 * "Matejko presented us with a fictional event" - zły styl. Nie piszemy na Wikipedi "nam" (us).
 * techniczna rzecz, nie wymagana do publikacji, ale warto nauki (wymagam tego od moich studentów): linki do haseł istniejących na pl wiki a nie na en formatujemy szablonem ill tak: Jarosław Krawczyk
 * ogólnie, nie podlinkowano pewnych ważnych terminów (np. słynny rzeźbiarz Leopardus - jak jest słynny to pewnie jest hasło by podlinkować?, czy "jego następcą Aleksandrem" - pewnie to też jakaś postac ency), a za to są niepotrzebne linki to pojęć typu Polska (Poland) w środku artykułu.
 * do formatowania przypisów, i na pl, i na en, warto użyć szablonów cytuj. Poza tym brakuje pewnych danych, np. nr ISBN książek
 * na koniec, na pl wiki jest "Historyczna akuratność", to brzmi jak kalka z angielskiego? Po polsku to chyba "dokładność"? Po angielsku jest ok :)
 * <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES
If you are so sure that enough quality sources exist to salvage the article, then find those sources and show them.If you want to argue that those arguing that coverage exists must... ... all during the course of a deletion discussion, realize that the essay you quote only expects the first.But more than that, failing to review sources provided by other editors is an WP:ABFish behavior. If I took the time to post a source, then I expect you to take even less time than it took me to find, evaluate, and post the link by clicking through it and reading what I posted before asserting that you can't know if each link provides appropriate coverage. If I consistently posted random nonsense that had nothing to do with the AfD in question, that would be tenditious editing behavior, and I should be sanctioned for it. But while we may disagree about what constitutes independence or significant coverage, I have never posted in such a time-wasting manner nor have I ever seen (to the best of my recollection) any regular AfD participant doing so. So if you have, then by all means, let's sanction editors who regularly post entirely unsuitable links and claim that they are sources. But failing that, by not reading links I post, you're not acting in a collegial manner nor AGFing that a source I post will at least arguably contribute to notability.Or is it not reasonable to expect you to read links? Jclemens (talk) 04:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Find a source and post it,
 * 2) Provide a detailed analysis of the source, and
 * 3) Integrate that source into the article


 * Unfortunately, too often I have seen sources provided by, among others, you, that fail SIGCOV. I assume good faith, but burn me once, twice, thrice... I lost count. Sorry, but if you want me to consider your soruce useful, please provide a relevant excerpt, quotation or analysis. If you cannot, than based on numerous past experiences where you have provided sources that failed SIGCOV, contained nothing but a plot summary, or were unreliable, I cannot assume that soruce is useful. Now, to be clear, I have also seen you post good sources, and as you know, I have never suggested that the quality of sources you post requires any sanction - what you do is totally within the acceptable rules of the project (it is just not, IMHO, up to the level of optional but best practices). In my opinion the amount of not good (or at least, not good enough for me) sources you share in AfD is too high for me to assume that what you post is good to accept at face value as proving notability (in particular, SIGCOV), without the requested quotations/analysis. For the record, I try to preach what I say and I usually try to discuss SIGCOV or such (or provide quotations etc.) when I post sources to AfD (although I am sure occasionally I split too). In other words, if my standards are too high, I nonetheless try to follow them myself and walk my talk. You do not have to do this, but the results are, well, as seen in that AfD. I suggest that we either agree to disagree, or that you try to follow the best practices and provide quotations and analysis to show that the sources you found prove notability of discussed topics.<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll provide an example of you,, engaging in disingenuously posting irrelevant sources: WP:Articles for deletion/Death Eater. Indeed, you said you would proudly keep repeating it any time I see a nomination that lacks a sensible BEFORE effort. You say you should be sanctioned for such behaviour – will you now stand by your principles and self-report at the appropriate venue? On the subject of regular AfD participants who do this, there has been at least one high-profile case where a WP:Topic ban was handed down (though it was not the sole reason). TompaDompa (talk) 07:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How long did it take you to go back two years' worth of AfDs to find that? I agree that those sources weren't what I would post today, but note that I mentioned their own relative weakness when I posted them. I apologize for not investigating those better. Jclemens (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It took me no time whatsoever; I remembered calling you out on it. I have not looked through your more recent AfD contributions. Moreover, calling them "weak" is understating the situation something fierce—you misrepresented completely irrelevant sources as being germane to the topic. The reason I remembered it so distinctly was your admission that you had no compunction about doing so if you felt the nominator had not done their due diligence in looking for sources. TompaDompa (talk) 08:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I'm so sorry to have previously inconvenienced you by posting links that you didn't think met your standards that you can't be bothered to click any links I post going forward. Is that a fair summation of your statement? If not, how should I better interpret it? Jclemens (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To keep this constructive and friendly, let me reitarate: please post not just links/names of the website, but choice quotes of analysis. Surely, you must have seen something in those sources besides their headings/titles/names? And if so, a quick copypaste of most relevant soundbite, or your own short summary, wouldn't go amiss? Even better, adding them to the article during or, if you worry about wasted effort, after, would do wonders for improving our working relationship. I strongly recommend that you try to contribute more to the mainspace, rescuing articles by actively improving them. We are WP:HERE to improve the encyclopedia, and there is no substitute for creating content. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've already proposed that an AfD nominator whose nomination ends in a 'keep' outcome be compelled to integrate identified sources before starting any future AfDs. That puts the onus back on those who take actions that, if unchecked, would have damaged the encyclopedia. (Note that an AfD of truly unencyclopedic material, with no potential to become so would be improving the encyclopedia; that's not at issue) While your AfD nominations are increasingly well written and propose reasonable ATDs, they are still too focused on the current state of the article, rather than its potential. This is a known philosophical disconnect: I believe in potential, you believe in looking at the article as it is. Thus, I don't take offense when you misunderstand my efforts as if participating in AfDs to keep encyclopedic material in the encyclopedia wasn't directly affecting mainspace. Indeed, it's my best "bang for the buck" in the limited time I have to contribute to Wikipedia. So yes, I will continue to label sources, but no, I don't see me imitating the awesome work Cunard does by posting excerpts and source analyses: I simply don't have time. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 01:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ETA: FWIW, I only comment in any way on perhaps 20% of the AfDs I review, so what you see in AfD participation by contribution is a much smaller proportion than what I actually review. Jclemens (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ditto (as in, we are looking only at the small part of the picture). I think it is best to agree do disagree and keep on doing what we both are. From plularity of opinions comes the gem that is Wikipedia (collective intelligence, etc.). Cheers, <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, no. Your polite refusal to click offered links while opining in an AfD on the basis of current article content because doing so might be a waste of your time is still WP:ABF, no matter how nicely we dress it up. Your position comes across as a proactive middle finger to any effort I put in, in that conflates disagreement about sourcing (I think something counts, you don't) with bad-faith contributions (I'm just putting in random garbage to waste your time) that do not merit review. It's entirely possible this is ripe for an RfC, because I agree there's not likely to be further movement here, but the fact that we can be polite about it doesn't in the least mean your behavior is appropriately collegial. Jclemens (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, if you want to hear it this way: you reap what you sow by providing low quality sources too often in the past. Nobody (me, (@TompaDompa, etc.) is required to spend our time to review your sources, when so often in the past they failed our policies (SIGCOV, ALLPLOT, etc.). If you want to earn our trust, you need to prove that you are capable of finding good sources without having us to jump through the hoops. We did it in the past, again and again, and got burned. Per WP:BURDEN, the onus is now on you. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Big Money Threepwood FYI... <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This content belongs oj fandom not Wikipedia. Every character in every soal opera isn't worth a page Big Money Threepwood (talk) 06:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Deadline 1(Week 2)-LI LINLIN
Hello, professor. I'm LI LINLIN. I'm taking classes of 'Understanding Wikipedia' and 'Everyday Life and Social Structure'. I have completed deadline 1.


 * 1) I have completed the [Basic, Special topics, how to refreshers, and some exercises] in the 'Student training module'. Here is the link.
 * 2) I have entered in our courses 'Understanding Wikipedia' and 'Everyday Life and Social Structure '.

Please check it, best wishes! Leeinm (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Leeinm Very good. But please note that as the syllabus asks you should live your messages not here but at User_talk:Hanyangprofessor2. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Collective Intelligence and Wikipedia Deadline 1(Week 2)：ZHANG ZEHUA
Dear professor

1.I have completed the training https://imgur.com/a/5RwX1JT

2.I edited Wikipedia ten times Xue Changrui

Please check, thank you ZHANG0822ZH (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @ZHANG0822ZH Very good. But please note that as the syllabus asks you should live your messages not here but at User_talk:Hanyangprofessor2. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1916 Warsaw electoral districts
Hi Piotrus, hope you are well. I've hit a dead end on trying to map 1916 electoral districts in Warsaw, and posted a query on Reference_desk/Humanities. Any input whether these district numbers can be linked to some other administrative feature would be very appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Soman These days with machine translation being pretty good - have you considered posting a question at pl wiki? pl:Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Artykuły <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Review of Some Articles
I am writing to you and Marcelus as I think both of you may be knowledgeable on the subject. I note there seems to be omittance or brush over of the events of the Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in some articles. If you have time can you have a quick look over the following articles to see if all is right: Anti-Soviet resistance by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, Eastern Galicia Volhynia, Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, and Jewish–Ukrainian relations in Eastern Galicia. Thank you 79.154.64.32 (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Zwycięzcy oceanu
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Re: AfDs vs BLARs
Because I don't want to blow up that discussion harder, I wanted to clarify something: I see AfD as often a final nail in a coffin, and only if I am 110% certain that it's necessary. There have been topics I've BLAR'd in the past and come back to write about when I found sources later (Wooloo, Dizzy, Baiken) or to allow folks like Cukie too if they did. Honestly if more people opposing such were willing to work on the articles I'd have less issue with any revived.

AfD's tend to be harder to come back from, as you'll sometimes have an editor attempt to re-AfD on the grounds of "the last consensus said delete", even if the reception was completely rewritten. It's the difference, at least in my mindset, between "Maybe we can shelve this for now til someone says something" and "maybe this belongs in the trash". Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kung Fu Man There is no perfect solution, and I say this as someone who both AfDs a lot of stuff, and someone who rescues it (ex. Yoruichi Shihōin). But over the yeas I came to prefer to AfD stuff as it makes it easier for others to step in and rescue stuff that I inaccuratly judged unrescuable. As long as history is preserved - which I always encourage - redirecting stuff is fine, and if there's extra scrutiny when something is restored - that should not a be a problem, if something is rescued well.
 * To be clear, I appreciate your cleanup efforts, but I think consulting more with the community - which realistically means AfDs, unless you think WikiProjects are active enough to help - is IMHO a best practice. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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hello professor
My name is JINJIN YAN. JINJINYAN (talk) 11:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC) I known how to finish the assignments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JINJINYAN (talk • contribs) 11:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @JINJINYAN That's not fully correct. Please read the training module about how to leave talk age messes (you comment above was not signed properly) and please leave it at the correct userpage (not Piotrus but Hanyangprofessor2). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello professor
My name is ZixuanHE I known how to finish the assignments. ZixuanHE (talk) 02:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @ZixuanHE CLose. Please leave it at the correct userpage (not Piotrus but Hanyangprofessor2). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Inner space (science fiction)
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DYK for Balonem do bieguna
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DYK for Morning Dew (Korean song)
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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024
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AFD of Yuuki
@Piotrus,, This source can help. The dogcat (talk) 04:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Piotrus,, This source too. The dogcat (talk) 04:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @The dogcat I am afraid not by much. The CBR listicle does not inspire confidence because of its format, although I agree it has a sentence or so of analysis about her story. The other source is pretty bad. Bottom line, as much as I would like to see this saved, we need some academic sources or some good journalism, like what I used to save Yoruichi_Shihōin (see sources used). And yes, I also used CBR but compare the quality (content) of article you found on Yuuki and what I found on Yoruichi. I am not saying it is your fault, I am just saying that sadly, good sources don't seem to exist for Yuuki, so she is not as notable as Yoruichi :( <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Piotrus, Well, the AFD is saying that cbr should not be used in anything. If you want, you can check the AFD. The dogcat (talk) 22:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Piotrus,, This source mentions Yuuki several times. And my question is will it help a little in the AFD? The dogcat (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society
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I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more. &#x200B;

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WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

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DYK for Censorship by copyright
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Piotrus, I love this new article. Thanks for creating it! Huggums537 (talk) 07:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 62
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DYK for Vostok 2022
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DYK for Zmiivska thermal power plant
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DYK for Corpse-like obedience
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Great hook! You've really been on a roll lately. Viriditas (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 May newsletter
The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
 * with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
 * with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
 * with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
 * with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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Request for expansion help
Greetings @Piotrus

Hi, I am User:Bookku, On Wikipedia I engage in, finding information and knowledge gap areas in Wikipedia and promoting expansion of related drafts and articles. Came across your recent contribution to the article Fact-checking.

Requesting to expand the same article if you find following journal paper interesting enough for the purpose.

&#32;Bookku   (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C
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Czuwam
Hej, chciałem zapytać się o prawa autorskie plakatu "Czuwam". Napisałeś, że na Commons rzadziej zaglądasz, więc piszę też tutaj, że zostawiłem ci tam wiadomość. Kazachstanski nygus (talk) 01:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kazachstanski nygus Hmmm, jasne, ale mógłbyś zlinkować ten plakat, bo nie kojarzę o co chodzi? Czy ja go wgrałem? Z pingiem (echo) teraz można zostawiać wiadomości gdziekolwiek, ale faktycznie, na en wiki tutaj zauważe szybko. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Sociology of Community
Hi! Twenty years ago, you started an article about Sociology of Community, a book by Max Weber. It's a stub without sources and I wanted to add some to secure its notability. However, I can't find anything. The only hits I get are from Wikipedia. The article has a link to a book with this title from an archived Japanese website, but I can't find any info about the book on that website either. What is this book and do you know of any sources about it? I considered submitting it to AfD but thought I should ask you about it first. Ffranc (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ffranc No prejudice to seeing this at AfD. I'll see if I can dig up anything (my quick search now gave nothing), but lack of de interwiki and sources suggest this is likely some error. IA is temporary offline so I cannot even access the Japanese site. Looking at this I assume I google'd the Japanese website, and copied some content from it. When IA works again maybe we can figure something more; the odds are the Japanese website is wrong or that I misunderstood something back then, when I was just university student starting to learn about Weber (and Wikipedia). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Sonja van den Ende
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Zapad 2009
Hello! Your submission of Zapad 2009 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yakikaki (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Cześć Piotrek
Piszę po polsku z powodu że masz polskie imię, po prostu widać że jesteś Polakiem. Mamy pewien problem. Jeden z twoich artykułów o relacjach Polsko-Litewskich z II wojny światowej w języku angielskim, jest malo szczegółowy i dla mnie wymagał by odnowienia, ale stworzyłem artykuł o "Polish-Lithuanian Ethnic Conflict" I później dowiedziałem się o tym że jest podobny artykuł, więc została przedstawiona prośba przeniesienia artykułu, moja propozycja jest przeniesienie nie których rzeczy z twojego artykułu do mojego, gdzie artykuł jest detalowy powtórzę to jeszcze raz. i to wszystko, mam nadzieję że szybko odpowiesz i rozwiąże się problem. Z poważaniem Wladekimperialny :) Wladekimperialny (talk) 15:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 217, May 2024
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Avia Solutions Group
Hi Piotrus. I found you on the WikiProject Lithuania list, and hope because of your interest in Lithuania you won't mind having a look at an edit request I posted here. The request is to replace the existing Wiki article with a draft that you can find here. The draft improves the readability (the current article sounds like a poor translation), sourcing and content. I appreciate your input and help. Agne for ASG (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for The Ugly Black Bird
RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Polis (board game)
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DYK for Zapad 2013
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Gediminas Žiemelis
Hi Piotrus. You and I are already in a discussion at Talk:Avia Solutions Group. I haven’t answered you over there yet because I am still working on a new draft which incorporates your suggestions to add an Infobox and to add more of ASG's history dating back to 2005. However, I have another request for you, concerning the CEO of ASG, Gediminas Žiemelis. I posted an edit request at Talk:Gediminas Žiemelis, and I am hoping you won't mind taking a look and implementing it. Thanks so much, ~ Agne for ASG (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Zapad 2009
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CS1 error on Oxford (toy company)
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Hello professor, I have completed the editing task for this Wikipedia article. Please review it. Thank you. Jzhdylb (talk) 09:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jzhdylb Ok. Please report it at User talk:Hanyangprofessor2 and I'll reply there shortly. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Called by Name
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Gediminas Žiemelis
Hi again Piotrus. I am writing this as a gentle reminder for you to take a look at an edit request I posted at Talk:Gediminas_Žiemelis. I wrote to you a few days ago, but the page has since been archived, and I am a little worried you may have forgotten about it. This is the link to my previous post to you:User_talk:Piotrus/Archive_69 Thanks again. Agne for ASG (talk) 18:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Agne for ASG Dear Agne, I am afaid I am just too busy with other items to devote much time to this. Have you asked for help at WT:LITHUANIA and/or WT:WPBIO? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the suggestions to help find another editor, and for letting me know that you are busy! All the best, Agne for ASG (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Oxford (toy company)
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DYK for Game board
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Stuff of no relevance to the community
I assume this complaint is about the m:Knowledge Equity Fund. I think the WMF has struggled to articulate the purpose of the Knowledge Equity Fund. Perhaps I will be able to do better.


 * The problem statement is: "Academic and mass media representation of marginalized communities remains insufficient, which in turn limits citations and primary/secondary sources for us to build from".
 * Relevance to Wikipedia: Wikipedia editors can't always write the articles we think are important (e.g., we should have articles like Gender inequality in the United States for every country), or we feel like our articles are weak (e.g., examples in articles are all from the US and UK), because enough reliable sources don't exist.  This is particularly true for developing countries, where people's everyday sources are often WP:SPS or WP:QUESTIONABLE sources like social media or oral knowledge.
 * The action is: Give money to groups that write more formal reliable sources, in the hope that they will write more.
 * Example: Give money to Arab Reporters in Journalism, which trained Arabic-speaking journalists in how to do investigative reporting around inequality, promote free press, and stay safe.
 * Immediate result: Their journalists wrote reliable sources such as these about how sexism, racism, disability, etc. affects people in their countries.
 * Hoped-for long-term result: These sources will inform and inspire other sources.  The journalists will produce better sources for the rest of their careers.
 * Relevance to Wikipedia: Wikipedia editors will have more reliable sources for articles like Xenophobia and racism in the Middle East.

I don't know if you remember the kerfuffle around the article about Donna Strickland. The short story is that we didn't have the sources, so we deleted the article. When she won the Nobel Prize, the Twitterverse lit up with journalists complaining that Wikipedia was so biased that it didn't think she was worth an article. The WMF's Katherine Maher rather pointedly asked these journalists how Wikipedia's volunteers were supposed to write an article about Strickland if the journalists hadn't provided the sources that editors need for BLPs.

The situation is complicated. We might begin with wondering how the journalists came to notice that there was no article about Strickland. The likely answer is: the journalists use Wikipedia as their own source, and they were upset that, with no Wikipedia article, their "quick" article on the award was unexpectedly going to require more time and effort. We can't write the article until they give us the sources, but they can't write the sources unless someone gives them the money.

I believe that this incident is the source of the Knowledge Equity Fund. To get the Wikipedia articles, we need sources. To get the sources, someone has to pay for them. IMO the Knowledge Equity Fund should be viewed, especially from the POV of the English Wikipedia, as a way for the WMF to – ethically, at arm's length or more distantly, with no obligation for the journalists to produce sources we can use, and absolutely no obligation, or even encouragement, for us to use anything that is produced – exactly the kind of sources that the English Wikipedia frequently claims to want. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @WhatamIdoing I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me about this. Your argument about creating sources is interesting. However:
 * I do remember that kerfuffle, and I find your criticism of journalists interesting and insightful. However, my conclusion differs. The journalists are paid-for professionals working for paid-for companies. I know that many news sites are struggling with their income due to issues such as folks increasingly consuming free media and blocking ads, etc. However, I do not think it is our responsibility to rescue their businesses (some of which are doing well and are profitable). In addition to new business models (ex. Bellingcat) we have Wikinews). If WMF wants people to write up news stories - fine, throw money at Wikinews first. Wikipedia (Wikimedia) volunteers work for free, we get donations to improve our infrastructure (code, etc.). To send this money to paid-for professionals at media companies sounds just... wrong. And if we send it to volunteers at some NGOs, well, why not invest more in Wikisource? We could brainstorm how to revive this, for example by hiring some interns who are often terribly treated and underpaid at traditional workplaces.
 * now, I might be more amenable to support KEF and like (i.e. outside NGOs) if the outcome (in terms of "Relevance to Wikipedia", because other points are simply not relevant for us as a movement or organization, i.e. mission creep) was better. You point out to . Let's take a look. The first thing I noticed is "All rights reserved © ARIJ". So the content they produce is not compatible with us. Why WMF cannot require that recipients of our grants produce freely licensed content? Where on that website is acknowledgement of our support? Also, which of the articles there were produced with our grant? I.e. how are we tracking if we are getting value for our $ spent? Usage of this source is very small. ARIJ received $250,000. I am counting NINE uses of this website in our mainspace articles. So, we paid roughly 25k for a single reference? Sorry, but I am not sold. If ARIJ is the showcase example, that I stand by my view that KEF was terribly designed, has been a total waste of money, and needs to be stopped ASAP.
 * <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's very tempting to nitpick this, but I don't think that the details are the big issue.
 * I think there's a lot of room for people to disagree about whether this was the best use of the money. What I'm concerned about is this persistent myth that a grant program that produces reliable sources has nothing to do with Wikipedia.
 * IMO you are free to believe that it was a bad idea. That's a matter of opinion, and everyone's entitled to their own opinions.  If you had said it was a completely misguided effort, I wouldn't have cared in the least.  But you have made a claim of fact (i.e., that it is irrelevant to Wikipedia), and that claim is not true.  Getting more sources is relevant to Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @WhatamIdoing Getting more sources is relevant, but so is educating people, or promoting more births (more births = more people = some of them will create reliable sources). I.e. the relevance of the KEF for us is not zero, but is is abysmally low. I asked you: how can you justify spending 25k on a single reference? This is not nitpicking, it is a serious question of mine, related to the fact that I can think of many ways we can get better sources for less money. Realistically, you can commission academic-level research for less than those newspaper articles ARIJ created, i.e. we could sponsor a creation of academic article on a topic - "Xenophobia and racism in the Middle East", for example - for much less than 25k. Just to name a random topic: science fiction in South Korea does not exist; it is a notable topic. We cannot commission people to write an article for Wikipedia due to our community's culture, but we surely could get someone to write it up SFE where it is just a placeholder, and license it under CC-BY-SA (I am familiar with the editors and I am sure they'd agree), then we could use this to create a Wikipedia article. So instead of playing 25k per ref as the ARIJ grant did, we could pay something like 2.5k to someone to create a SFE article which would result in a Wikipedia article. (And if you say 2.5k per Wikipedia article is overpriced, run it by me how 25k per a single ref isn't). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree that each source cost $25K.
 * First, I'd say that "number linked via this website at the English Wikipedia" is the wrong measurement. That website is linked about 175 times across all the wikis, and it could be linked many more times in the future.  Also, the sources could be cited without a link, and they could be cited in copies on other news sites, which would be missed by this search method.  This method also misses future uses.  If we treat all links as "uses" (e.g., because chatting about it on the talk page is still "using" it), and if we assume that all the money paid for sources, then the cost per source could be somewhere around $1500.
 * Second, I think you have incorrectly assigned all the funding to source creation. The report summarizes their work this way:
 * "Over the course of this one year collaboration, from August 1, 2021 until July 31, 2022, ARIJ has successfully published 70 investigations (EN/AR), 48 in-depth reports (EN/AR), 45 podcasts (EN/AR), 3 policy papers (EN/AR), 1 study (AR) and 1 manual (AR). Executed 61 workshops, 44 webinars, one data journalism diploma (39 training sessions), one Edit and Verify Lab (9 training sessions), 497 clinics, of which 142 were digital, 91 were physical safety, 229 were psychosocial support, 21 legal support and 14 career counseling (510 attendees of which 247 were females (48%)), and 22 total Forum sessions, in which ARIJ trained virtually 658 (48.17% females) and physically 85 (55.29% females)."
 * We could say that they "paid for" 70+48+45=163 news sources plus 61+44+39+9+497=650 training events. If, in a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation, we treat each source and each event as equal, then they paid $300 for each source.
 * BTW, The Wikipedia Library gave me access to a source recently that sells for twice that amount on Amazon. $300 per source is IMO expensive, but it's not entirely unreasonable.
 * Third, I'd say that your timescale is short-sighted. What's the long-term benefit of training?  If you support someone through the creation of a single investigative report, you get that one source, but you also get dozens or hundreds of sources in the future.  What's the long-term benefit of the original sources existing?  These sources lay the groundwork for future sources.  It will be easier for the next journalist or scholar to write about discrimination against disabled people in that country if they have this article as a starting point, instead of needing to do the basic work themselves. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Tnx for teaching me about the global link search feature. You are right we should look at the use of their sources outside English Wikipedia. However, did you account for sources that were published before and after collaboration? If not, the cost for the source seems to be less than 25k, but more than 300. As for time scale, this is, like I said, very hard to measure - we could invest that money in any educational activity and say the same - that raising education level somewhere in the world is good for us. Sure, it is, but I can think of many ways to invest money that would be strictly better and more efficient, I gave you a particular example above that you did not engage with. Still waiting to hear how you justify WMF not getting them to publish their stuff in open access, not doing all of this under aegis of Wikinews, while at the same time denying badly needing funding for (to cite one example I am familiar with) WikiJournal initiative (which is falling apart because we do not have enough volunteers to run it, and there are no funds to hire someone to manage it properly or compensate the volunteers for their efforts there - and WikiJournals do produce reliable content we could use on Wikipedia, too, and at higher level of quality than what ARIJ does (referenced, etc.)). I would be less annoyed with KEF if we were in a situation where all requests for support from the community were filled and WMF would say that we have money community does need, so we will support long term affiliated educatonal projects. But we are not in such a situation, there are plenty of things we need money for but we are not getting from WMF. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All sorts of things "could" be good for Wikipedia, but encouraging the development of exactly the kinds of sources The Community™ says it wants for Wikipedia is, at minimum, "relevant". Remember, you didn't say that it was a bad idea or that it was inefficient or that it was worse than other options; you said that it was "of no relevance".
 * I don't think the WMF has an inherent obligation to make journalism an unprofitable enterprise. The goal is for us to have a news article to cite in an encyclopedia article, not a news story to import and pretend that it's an encyclopedia article.  Do you want to have something like "Fatima and seven others continued to work on a farm for two consecutive months awaiting a wage of just JOD 1.25 ($1.76). She ended up being denied her pay, and was told to go and “complain if you can prove you have a case”. The same is true for Um Muhammad, Karim, Ali and thousands others of those who are exposed to people trafficking in its modern sense" in the mainspace?  Or Rawan is also a mother of a child suffering from the disease. She resorted to the internet to gather information, and determine ways to handle her child’s illness, and started treating him herself. She made contact with Um Samir through a group on social media, and compared their experiences. She says, “When I gave birth to my child, as soon as the doctors held him his foot was injured. And after a few tests it was determined that the newborn was suffering from this rare disease.”?  If not, then why would a free license be relevant to Wikipedia?
 * If they did this under Wikinews, our policies would not allow us to cite the sources. Since the relevance is "get sources that Wikipedia can cite, on subjects the community claims it struggles to find", then putting it on Wikinews would have made it truly irrelevant.
 * Again, I have no objections to anyone saying that it was a bad idea. I just don't want to hear people pushing the myth that getting sources for Wikipedia has nothing to do with Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @WhatamIdoing Fair enough. It is not of "no relevance". It is of "extremely little relevance", and while getting more sources is a good idea, the way KEF does it is indeed extremely inefficient, making it a "bad idea", effectively a waste of WMF's money, and as I said, KEF is a classic example of mission creep (which is not a good thing). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Polis (board game)
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Re: Morrigan
If that article survives the AfD, please do feel free to help carve out some of the absolute crap Niemti worked into the thing. I'm still cleaving through Mai Shiranui's article at the moment, it's not pretty. Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kung Fu Man As long as the sources are reliable and we are not dealing with OR, what is the problem? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * PS. To clarify where I am coming for, being also somewhat of a deletionists (I've nominated hundreds of fiction-themed topics for deletion here and on pl wiki): I see reception sections (and similar, i.e. analysis, history of creation, etc. - i.e. non-plot sections indicating subject's importance) as crucial. So reducing the size of such sections is not something I generally think is a good idea, as long as content there has reliable references. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is a lot of his citations are either OR, synethesis, or saying nothing at all. But by cleanup I meant the article as a whole. I rewrote the dev section, but there's probably a lot of other citations in there that, to be frank, are probably not saying what they're citing for or going way too hard with the embellishment. Niemti has a terrible record of just making shit up, citing sources for things they didn't say, or synthesizing a source's thoughts on something. I've dealt with his works enough times to know that.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man I am sure you are right and I have no problem with a particular edit of yours (as I have not reviewed them, either). But in Articles for deletion/Morrigan Aensland my quick spotcheck found at least one RS with relevant content that was removed (n 1996, Mean Machines Sega described her as "one of the most bewitching girl characters ever to appear in gaming, which explains her huge fan base in Japan – comprising men and women!"" sourced to "Mean Machines Sega 40 (February 1996), pages 18–20."?). It was removed by another editor, but unless it is an exception to the rule it indicates some folks, at least, are to zealous in their cleanup here. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See that's the thing, I think it is an exception to the rule, and the better outcome would be, speaking from experience, to go through each source and try to rebuild with them than the reversion you're calling for, while being aware of trying to avoid over repetition, when a source isn't saying anything, and so forth. A big problem it has right not to boot is there's no actual SIGCOV: the CBR maybe could work, but it's...CBR. People will argue it doesn't count for notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man And the odds are coverage exists - in Japanese, and we don't have anyone able to do BEFORE in that language for this topic, apparently :( <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pitorus, what are you talking about? I do BEFORE's in Japanese and if possible Chinese now these days. We have websites like Famitsu, 4Gamer.net, and Inside Games to scour through. It's one of the reasons I insist on putting the nihongo templates up on these articles.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man I did not know about it. Are you fluent in ja and zh, or do you use MT? If the latter, I'd be interested in learning how to search for ja and zh sources, step by step (do we have a guide? Maybe you could write one...). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean it's pretty straightforward, just google as such. Then just translate the pages with google to get a basic idea of what you're reading. That said though it works like any string search on a website so expect some garbage, and in this case it's mainly just a) cosplay and b) toys when searching for "Morrigan" "Vampire" in Japanese :\ That was a lot of what I was turning up overall.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man Fair enough, and my search is not turning up anything. The thing is, in the last few years I've come to realize there are plenty of in-depth reliable sources about much less popular Polish fiction topics. Many are not digitized, however, or require some knowledge of Polish language and database to locate. Now, Japan is 3-4x larger then Poland. Is there really so little scholarship or even fanzine level coverage of this - or are we not finding it? I know, I know, THEREMUSTBESOURCES, we cannot assume there are. But I'd bet there are sources, we just cannot find them, and locating them requires someone fluent in Japanese and familiar with Japanese databases (and likely being able to access non-digitized material). PS. Just to be clear, my vote in the AFD is not based on this assumption, but rather on my conclusion that the sources we have found are (barely but sufficiently) enough for notability. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I speak enough Japanese to be able to get the hang of things, and sadly even if there are sources, it'll probably end up something like Mike Haggar at best: very weak. I feel like a huge problem with the reception there at the moment is it's just repeating the same things over and over, similarly to all the DoA character articles...and even there I' m helping MoonJet try and revive Ayane as I'm running across sources. That's a big thing to consider with this in the long run: just because what we have may not work now, it doesn't mean it won't later as sources are discovered or are written as time goes on.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man That is true, which is for such topics soft redrect is preferable to deletion. That said, I do think we have barely enough sources to warrant a keep here. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 22:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's probably going to be kept anyway. I mainly worry about getting this thing to GA though.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kung Fu Man That may be hard until we get better sources... good luck. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 00:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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LINZIYU
Hello, Professor. This is my next edit from Wikipedia, please check it. Linziyu1823 (talk) 02:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

LINZIYU
Hello professor, these are my two article translations1HAHAHAHAHA_(Chinese_program） please check, my blog has also been completed. Please check. Thank you very much. Linziyu1823 (talk) 00:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Linziyu1823 For educational assignments, please report them to my university account (User:Hanyangprofessor2) as linked and named in the syllabus. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for amendment at WP:ARCA about World War II and the history of Jews in Poland
Hello Piotrus,

a request for amendment that affects the from the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case has been made at. Your input would be welcome.

Best regards, &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Oxford (toy company)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC) GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that the hook wasn't pulled. The reasoning was nonsense. SL93 (talk) 01:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @SL93 Indeed. As a DYK regular with 10+ years of experience, I am a bit concerned about recent happenings - this year I've had several near-close pulls or such, which is much more than in the past years. Either my standards are slipping or DYK standards (or some folks approach to enforcing them?) are raising too high (IMHO). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Random pl.wiki question
Hi Piotrus, perhaps you can help me with this. I've noticed that the Polish Wikipedia is, together with the Italian one, one of the few that doesn't have categories on women: e.g., Women writers, Women politicians, Women scientists, etc. Their category:Women by occupation (Kobiety według profesji) is a bit more developed than the Italian one, but quite similar in concept. The Italians have housewives and female prostitutes, and are the only WMF project to have female heiresses and Female guards in Nazi concentration camps as categories; both the Italian and Polish Wikipedia have Princesses and Queens. Categorisation has recently been the subject of an impressive academic study in Catalan and I myself have written something about it for my blog. So my request is this - could you point me to any discussions about this on the Polish Wikipedia? On it.wiki, the subject was discussed extensively between 2016 and 2021, I have reviewed those discussions and am now curious about the Polish ones. Thanks, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 09:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gitz6666 Do give me a few days to get back to you as I am about to be afk for a few days. For now, you may want to take a look at discussions linked from here: . I am not familiar with this cateogry so I'd have to ask. Any chance you are coming to Wikimania, btw?
 * PS. Isn't this just a interwiki missing issue? Category:Female guards in Nazi concentration camps (and 10 iwikis) - missing connection to it:Categoria:Guardie donne nei campi di concentramento nazisti? And for the heiresses, Category:Female heirs apparent (I am just not sure about the word 'apparent' here)? Sometimes lack of connected category means just lack of connection, not lack of category. I've added iwiki to quite a few pl wiki categories that nobody there bothered to connect, and I am sure there are others that need that. That said, I know there are also both major gaps in pl wiki category coverage (ex. random example, most categories related to location of ficitonal works) and stuff that doesn't exist on en wiki (a ton of stuff related to pl history, etc.). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Piotrus, there is absolutely no hurry. It's mainly a curiosity of mine and definitely not urgent.
 * Re "Category:Female guards in Nazi concentration camps" - well spotted, this needs to fixed on it.wiki.
 * Re "Category:Female heirs apparent" - no, I think this is actually different. The Italian category does not include aristocrats but rather "heiresses" like Paris Hilton, Christina Onassis, Ivanka Trump, etc., that is, women who were born into a rich family. I don't know why, but there is no male counterpart.
 * As for Wikimania, I won't be there in person, but I plan to attend some of the virtual events. Are you involved in organising it or will you be there? Gitz (talk) (contribs) 14:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gitz6666 I will be there and I will (co)present two papers. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


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Draft:Kościuszko at Racławice
Though somewhat messy (as most drafts are), Draft:Kościuszko at Racławice is promising. It is, or claims to be, a translation from a Polish WP article. Two sentences have got garbled, and unfortunately the creator/translator doesn't seem likely to respond. I've used the "Vague" template to mark the two bits that are screwed up. Could I interest you in a quick look at pl:Kościuszko pod Racławicami (obraz) and a touch-up for the relevant bits of the draft? -- Hoary (talk) 02:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hoary Thanks, this is certainly a topic that interests me, so I did a c/e. Also fixed few other errors. I think the article is publishable (I've seen worse translations or outright articles in mainspace); the topic is certainly notable and reliable sources are used (although there is some arguable reliance on 19th century newspapers, etc.). Article could use more links to pl wiki articles through ill, but that's a GA-level concern, IMHO. Will you publish it? (And yeah, the author is inactive, sadly). By the way, I was also recently reviewing a similar work by her - see Draft:Clothes in Poland, which I hope can be saved too. @asilvering was looking at that one. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  13:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and accepted that one. Hopefully they have email notifications turned on and will return to life now that one of their articles has made it out of AfC limbo. -- asilvering (talk) 18:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good morning (my time)! Thank you for your numerous improvements. Yes, I would have published it, had I been awake and seen what you'd already done to it. I had been very surprised by the use of "PLN", but thought that conceivably the term was applied retrospectively: I'd already put a fair amount of time into the draft and [sorry!] couldn't be bothered to put yet more into it. But [cough], on the matter of currency, the new article now uses both the term "Austro-Hungarian guldens" and the term "Polish guldens"; are their referents not the same? Also, the reader of the English article is likely to be a lot more ignorant of Polish matters than is the reader of the Polish original; which is why I added a mention that the Battle of Racławice took place in 1794, and think some similar additions and clarifications could be beneficial. Rather than a "work", is "Marian Gorzkowski's work Hints to Jan Matejko's latest painting Kościuszko at Racławice, finished in April 1888" (clicking on a link takes me to Wskazówki do najnowszego obrazu Jana Matejki "Kościuszko pod Racławicami" wykończonego w kwietniu 1888 roku) better described as a feuilleton, or something else? Jumping ahead to the final sentence, "Censorship did not allow Warsaw magazines to publish articles about the painting, even critical ones": I imagine that this would be Russian censorship, but this might be a simplification for some kind of Russian-directed or other Russia-placating censorship ... and is there any particular reason for "Warsaw" rather than "Polish" magazines? (If you're suspecting that the general problem here is that I don't know squat about Poland, your suspicions are of course correct.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary Tnx - fixed Polish guldens (an error I introduced, oops). And yes, on en wiki we likely need further clarifications. Your other points are good but I am not sure how to answer them. The relevant censorship link would be Censorship_in_Poland and/or Censorship in the Russian Empire, and Poland at that time did not really exist, although see Congress Poland/Vistula Land. It's... complicated (TL;DR Poland was partitioned between Russia, Germany and A/A-H; and in Russia it was increasingly loosing autonomy, without this fact being fully reflected in major law, de facto transitioning from satellite state into a province). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, of course. I've tweaked the article again. One conspicuous oddity, though: "The artistic and literary groups proposed [...] to make a reproduction of the painting. [...] As part of the campaign of the Artistic and Literary Circle in Kraków [...]" Are the "groups" perhaps the same as the "Circle"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary Ah, it seems so. That error even existed on pl wiki due to bad capitalization, I fixed it. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Massacres committed by Ukraine


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