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I realize that I could have handled editing MSBWYOU in a nicer way
I looked at Edit lock, and I probably should have used that while I was teething away at the article. I'm glad we're working through compromise and getting things edited so the article is done well! BarntToust (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinkerton deluxe
I had a look at WP:ALTTRACKLIST and I think the tracklist qualifies under it. Firstly, though it isn't a lot of mentions, the article mentions that the deluxe edition received a perfect score from Metacritic, which I think is pretty notable. Secondly, the article also mentions the extensive recording process of the album, such as the scrapped Songs from the Black Hole (which would cover all of the B-sides, You Won't Get with Me Tonight and Longtime Sunshine) and the abandoned I Swear It's True and Getting Up and Leaving. All of these tracks are on the deluxe edition, which i think makes it significantly different enough, especially when considering all the other tracks on there. All this considered I don't really see a reason why the deluxe tracklist shouldn't be on the article. Great Mercian (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I don't agree that those things make the tracklist worthy of inclusion per WP:ALTTRACKLIST. The extra tracks are not "the subject of extensive commentary in the article — such as information about recording and critical response".
 * Yes, the reissue has a perfect score, but there's barely anything in the article about those extra tracks. This reflects the reviews themselves, which focus on reassessing the album Pinkerton rather than on the bonus material.
 * As a point of comparison, see OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 2017 as an example of a Wikipedia article that discusses the alternative tracks at length. Popcornfud (talk) 11:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgive the lateness of my reply. Ok, Metacritic argument was weak, I apologise for it. I don't really think it's entirely fair to use a deluxe edition that has it's own article separate from the original. With a criteria as vague and confusing as "when the tracks are the subject of extensive commentary in the article" when how extensive such commentary has to be is never properly defined, it comes of as really disingenuous, like it's implying that all deluxe editions need their own separate article. There's definitely a lot that do but most don't qualify for such a privilege.
 * Coming back to Pinkerton, and I'm not certain about this, but I think there may be some sources out there for the deluxe tracks that would justify their inclusion. The reason I say I'm not sure is that there is a very good chance those sources are themselves closely associated with the band and therefore in a grey area as to whether or not it's ok to include them. The best I could possibly do would be to copy sources from the Songs from the Black Hole article into the Pinkerton article, but not only would that not cover all of the deluxe tracks but would also put the Songs from the Black Hole article's fate into jeopardy, which is something I don't want to happen. But I don't want to abandon this issue either. If it comes to such a point I wouldn't be opposed to getting the criteria more clearly defined or however you want to put it.
 * Again, I'm very sorry for how late I am, I hope we can come to an agreement somehow. Great Mercian (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If there are reliable secondary sources out there that discuss the extra tracks in detail, then we can add that detail to the Wikipedia article. Once there's enough coverage in the article, then the extra tracklist might be justified.
 * But we shouldn't put the cart before the horse. Getting the extra tracklist into the article shouldn't itself be the goal. Popcornfud (talk) 14:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Ian Stewart was a founding member of The Stones
Hello I think the above information is vital to the formation of the band. He was a founding member and that info should be added ok ?. Regards 178.167.177.234 (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)