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Congratulations!
Hope fatherhood of a princess goes well! Happy Christmas!

Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 04:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas indeed!! Thank you very much Doctor. Merry Christmas to you too! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  05:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations from me as well! Nick-D (talk) 07:06, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much sir! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  12:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you and the Asher household, Clift. How the years fly. Here's to a another one of GAs, FAs, and all that lekker stuff. Congratulations on the newest addition to your lovely family. -- Katan gais (talk) 06:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Katangais, and the same to you! A very merry Christmas and happy new year to you and all your loved ones, and here's to a great 2016. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  10:44, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you also, Gavin! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  20:01, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * And also to yours, Bzuk! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  20:01, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

It's that time of the year

 * Thank you very much, and a very Merry Christmas to you too Brian! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  20:01, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Happy Christmas from Foofbun
Thank you for your kind wishes! Gosh two little ones! You've been busy! I'm just rotting away!Foofbun (talk) 21:24, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't easy! Merry Christmas and all the very best again. :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  21:26, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm so glad I got one of your cards. Merry Christmas to all the Cliftonians! Yoninah (talk) 22:47, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Thank you Dave! A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year also to you and yours. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Cliftonian: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers,  Frankie talk 14:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas to you too, Frankie. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

 * Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I really appreciate your sentiment, and send the same warm wishes to you! Lingzhi &diams; (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Christmas
Just one of those paintings which puts it all in perspective... Hope you and all the little Cliftonians have a wonderful Christmas and 2016. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 03:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Vesuvius Dogg! A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:19, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings

 * Thank you very much Montanabw. Very much appreciated! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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2016 year of the reader and peace
Thank you for your support and wishes, returned with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! Give hugs to your wife and the little Cliftonian, please! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Gerda! Hugs to Mrs Cliftonian and the two little Cliftonians, most certainly. :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Click on bell for the soft sound of peace (and jest) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Cliftonian!


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Aliyah article
Hi, I'm on my mobile, so please disregard errors. I think you misread the lead you undid. While aliuah may not have actually happened in such numbers until fairly recently, it was indeed an inspiration even during the Babylonian exile. Indeed the story of purim, the daily prayers all mention returning to Zion, "During the Jewish diaspora, Aliyah was developed as a national aspiration for the Jewish peop..." is a correct statement, it continues that it didn't happen en masse until recently. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Joseph, thanks for the note. Also on my mobile. The part about the Babylonian exile was not backed up in the article body or sourced so far as I could see so I took it out of the lead. If you can add sourced commentary on this aspect to the body by all means it can get a small mention in the lead too. Re: national aspiration, so far as I know nothing like this was seriously pursued or attempted by any large section of Jewry until the Zionist movement started in the 19th century, which is where we introduce the idea in the lead. In my opinion this vague additional statement that this idea was developed "during the Jewish diaspora" (which lasted nearly two millennia) adds very little if anything and is potentially misleading. That the idea of the "return of the Jews" predates Zionism is an assertion I agree with, but I think it is an exaggeration to say or imply that this constituted a "national aspiration" pre-Zionism. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  21:47, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * mobile- it's in the daily prayers,a minimum of three times. It's also been an aspiration of great men to do it, even if they get there just to die, it's in tons of writings. Maimonidies, Benjamin of Toleda (something like that) wrote a journal of his travels, Vilna Gaon (his disciples made it in the 1800s), the purim story, Cyrus,Herod, etc. Every year at the end of the seder it's "next year in Jerusalem." Just because people couldn't do it, didn't mean it wasn't on their mind, it most certainly is one of the aspirations of the diaspora.Sir Joseph (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Was this a national aspiration to settle the land permanently en masse? Have you sources to back that up? The term "aliyah" is so far as I know reserved in historiography and Israeli law for those coming to Israel and its antecedents as immigrants, not merely for any journey there by a Jew. Re: statement at Passover, I'd always thought the meaning of that was "next year we'll spend Passover in Jerusalem", as opposed to "next year we'll have moved to Jerusalem", but I could be wrong. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  06:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * NYIJ, is that NYIJ the Temple would be rebuilt and we would not be in exile, not that we would spend passover in Jerusalem. The term aliyah might be a modern term, but the ideal of moving to Israel has been an aspiration for diaspora. Then, look at Amidah number 10, one of the prayers is for the ingathering of the exiles. And of course you have the responsa throughout the ages of the requirements of living in Israel and of all the people doing all they can, including Maimonidies, to move to Israel.Sir Joseph (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation of "Next Year in Jerusalem", I had never understood it that way. Please can you present some sources for the rest of this last post? Maimonides did go to the Holy Land, it's true, but so far as I know he was only there a short time before he left again for Egypt. The first time I'm aware of when you have "all the people doing all they can" to get to what is now Israel is in the Mandate period, and the main motivation for that was the simple desire to escape and survive rather than anything religious. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have stuff off-hand, but living in Israel is either a Biblical commandment or a rabbinical commandment depending on who you ask. "2 YESHIVA UNIVERSITY • YOM HA’ATZMAUT TO-GO • IYYAR 5768 A person should always live in Eretz Yisrael, even in a city that is mostly inhabited by non-Jews, and not in the Diaspora, even in a city that is mostly inhabited by Jews. For all those that live in Eretz Yisrael are as if they have a G-d, and all those that live in the Diaspora are as if they have no G-d. As it says (Vayikra 25:38 ) ”[I took you out of Mitzrayim] to give you the land of Cna’an to be a G-d for you”. And anyone that lives in the Diaspora has no G-d? Rather, it means that anyone that lives in the Diaspora is as if he worships idols, and similarly by David it says (Shmuel I 26:19)” for they have driven me out this day that I should not cleave unto the inheritance of G-d, saying: Go, serve other gods.” For who told David to worship other gods? Rather, it means that anyone that lives in the Diaspora is as if he worships idols. Ketuvot 110b " Maimonidies says it's a rabbinical, Nachmonidies says it's a biblical commandment. I think Maimonidies never made it to Israel though, he ended up staying in Egypt. The reason why it is mostly in the mandate period is because it was much easier to do. The Perushim were the first en masse group but they did it in the 1800s and it was hard. There were drips and dribbles but for a Jew from Europe or Africa to travel to Israel in the 1300's was extremely dangerous, and keep in mind, that it might also have been illegal as well. Firstly, many Jews were "property" of the Kings in Europe and I believe the Crusades did not allow Jews to live in Jerusalem and the countryside was desolate. It was not a welcoming place. But it was still an aspiration for Jews in the diaspora to go to Israel and be free from exile. Jews still pray for that daily. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * When you do have scholarly sources to hand that describe this unequivocally as a "national aspiration" for Jews in a pre-Zionist context, by all means put it in the article. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the prayer be enough? The fact that it made it into the prayer service, where 18 blessings were set up during the 1st century, and returning to Israel was one of the prayers, and entire tractates talk about commandments that can only be done while lving in Israel. To say that Jews didn't yearn to live in Israel is not correct, they just couldn't do it for practical purposes. See Old_Yishuv. Sir Joseph (talk)  16:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No, prayers are religious texts and as such should not be used as primary sources. Secondary sources that critically analyse the prayers would be better. Even better than that would be some academic commentary specifically talking about whether such a "national aspiration" existed. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I was just looking through our Israel article and I found a perfect source for you at the top of the "Zionism and British mandate" section: Rosenzweig, Rafael (1997). The Economic Consequences of Zionism. T Brill Academic Publishers. ISBN 90-04-09147-5. p. 1. It starts: "Zionism, the urge of the Jewish people to return to Palestine, is almost as ancient as the Jewish diaspora itself." There you are. Hope this helps and that you have a nice evening. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  21:29, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Your recent edits on A.E.J. Collins
Thanks for those - I noticed the BBC news earlier today and was looking at the article, thinking what to do, and then you beat me to it! I didn't think that record would ever be broken. I had assumed you must be an Old Cliftonian (I'm an Old Monmouthian) and played rugby against Clifton many many years ago, but I see from your user page that you have a Clifton and Hitchin connection. I lived in Balmoral Road for many years, and still visit friends occasionally in Hitchin. We should organise a Wiki Meetup in Hitchin some time! Thanks again for your edits. Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 10:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, thanks for the note, Rob! I am in fact an Old Westminster—as I'm sure you figured out I picked the "Cliftonian" handle based on the fact I lived in Clifton, Beds at the time (I wasn't aware that the word had already been used by Clifton College). Anyway, yes, a Hitchin meetup would be very welcome indeed. When do you think would suit you, and had you a particular venue in mind? Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  10:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sometime in February would be good. I'm not very up to date with good places to meet/drink/eat in Hitchin (or Stevenage possibly?). Somewhere not too far from the railway station would be good as I would be coming by train from Cambridge. From previous meetups I've attended the requirements seem to be: a) not too expensive, b) drinks (alcoholic and non-alcoholic) available, c) children allowed (not that I've seen any coming to a meetup), d) food available, and finally, e) open at least from 2.00 pm to 5.00 pm on a Sunday (which seems to be a standard time for meetups). If you can think of a suitable venue we can open it up to all editors/interested parties who can get to Hitchin. Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 11:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If we want to stay in Hitchin the Millstream might be a good place maybe? It's a pub about half a mile from Hitchin station just by the river on the road up towards Letchworth. Meets all the requirements I think. Stevenage I don't really know so well. If you like I'll open a meetup page up later on today with February pencilled in, an exact date can be settled later. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  12:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Good - I remember the Millstream now. That'll be great if you put up a meetup page. I'd avoid the 14th... Haven't yet looked to see if the 7th, 21st, and 28th have possible clashes with any other nearish meetups. Robevans123 (talk) 12:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll put the page up later and we can discuss it further there. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  12:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Meetup/Hitchin 1 —  Cliftonian   (talk)  21:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks ...
That makes more sense given the film's English title; I don't know Hebrew and that's what I got from Google Translate. Daniel Case (talk) 17:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the problem when the word for "goodbye" is "shalom" (שלום), the same as "hello"! This is probably why they put היה שלום (hiya shalom), which unambiguously means goodbye or farewell. Cheers, hope you're well and having a nice start to the year. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:40, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for that James, and thanks for the barnstar as well! I hope you're having a nice new year. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  18:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Frustrating
Hey! It's super frustrating for a user to continually undo and delete new scholarly information that is added with citations. The academic literature on Rhodes from South Africa and outside of South Africa is unequivocal on Rhodes being a white supremacist--he said so himself. By asking that the page be left not describing him as such because of this disagreement, you're saying that the position that he isn't a white supremacist is the 'default' position without any evidence to the contrary. Rather than delete people's contributions, it would be much better form to re-write them as necessary to include opposing views and/or make them more 'neutral.'

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.212.121 (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 158.143.212.121: Hello. I asked you to discuss this at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard, and you didn't. There is now also a thread at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, as I also informed you via your talk page. Please continue the conversation at one of those venues. The primary issue here is dumping the epithet in the opening sentence. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  12:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

What I'm pointing out is that your demand is to 1) undo the material I've added, which I cited, because it is 2) your belief that it's not neutral. I'm happy to discuss it on your notice board, but to leave the page by removing the material I've added, it's as if you're suggesting your position is the one that is cited and mine that is the one that needs to be supported, when it's the opposite! If you had a source saying he wasn't a white supremacist, I'd happily leave the page as it is (without that descriptor) and for us to hash it out on a talk page. As it is now, it's as if we're debating whether Orval Faubus was a white supremacist and because you think it's a slur, you think we should debate it even though the entire academic community agrees so since he described himself as such--just as Rhodes did. If anything, Rhodes would find it quite amusing that you're hesitant to describe himself as a white supremacist given his firm beliefs in white supremacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.212.121 (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If you're so sure of your position, I'm not sure why you are steadfastly refusing to discuss the issue with the community. The main issue here is dumping the epithet in the first sentence, which is something we don't even do for Hitler, for example. My personal talk page is not the place to discuss this now. The threads at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard and Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents are there when you are ready to discuss this with other editors. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Gerda. :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:02, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for today's Hugh Beadle (see below): "Was Beadle an "evil genius" who furtively supported UDI all along, or one who "did his best for his country in a time of difficult choices"?" Good question. Nice infobox. Compare Pierre Boulez whose image I brought to the Main page yesterday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Today's featured article/February 6, 2016
I should get to this one today. Feel free to tidy up, as usual. - Dank (push to talk) 20:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, thanks for the note. I'll get to this at some point before the day. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:02, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Joe Lieberman
Nobody disputes he keeps kosher our Shabbos. It's not Wikipedia job to determine levels. Do we edit all Jewish articles and state they attest to be observant? You should also read his most recent book where he describes his Sabbath observance. He used to walk to the capitol on Sabbath when there was an important vote. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Cite the book then. Say how he observes it. Is "keeping kosher" for him separate kitchens, cutlery, crockery etc for dairy and meat, not eating in normal restaurants, only eating food certified kosher by the Orthodox Rabbinate—or is he okay with just one kitchen and trying not to mix up the meat and cheese, or going to a non-kosher restaurant and just ordering veggies? How many hours does he wait after eating meat before he eats something with milk in it? One, three, six? How many hours after milk before he's happy to eat meat again? (This isn't me taking the piss, this is actually a line of conversation I encountered many times while living in Israel.) The point I'm making is that different Jewish people define these things in all sorts of different ways and one person's "keeping kosher" is not necessarily the same as someone else's. Ditto if we say without qualification that someone observes the Sabbath, we are in fact definitively saying that they never write anything down, turn a light on or off or any other number of things between Friday sundown and Saturday night—whereas for some people observing the Sabbath may just mean putting on a yarmulke at sunset and lighting the candles. It's a relative thing. Jewish people, like any other people, are diverse.


 * I don't really care so I won't make this into a big "thing" but I hope you can appreciate my point that by using wording such as "they attest to observing" or "they say they observe" we side-step the above problem.


 * Cheers and I hope you're well. Thanks for the note. All the best, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) That point about walking to the capitol on the Sabbath is good—if you have a source for it, definitely put it in. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * the walking part was in the news, it was for a very important economic bill, he asked his rabbi, usually he does not vote on sabbath, his vote would save lives somehow. I think it's also in his book but could be in newspapers. I'll check when I'm not mobile, and yes, they are observant, they are members of an orthodox synagogue, at least while in dc and that is good enough for Judaism. (Btw, there is no time requirement between milk and meat, only the other way around.)Sir Joseph (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You see? That's exactly my point. When I lived in Israel, Jewish people used to tell me they had to wait an hour after milk before eating meat. They would say that by not waiting an hour you're not keeping kosher. Who's right, you or them? Who knows? —  Cliftonian   (talk)  14:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I had the same argument with my cousin. It's not Halacha, there is no mention of waiting time at all in the Shulchan Aruch. The only thing that is actually required is to rinse out your mouth. It's one of the drawbacks of the slide to the right where people think they need to do more to be religious. Like you say in WP, show me the source. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, then, there you are! Thanks for that. I'll be sure to deploy that information if I ever get into that kind of conversation again. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Entumbane photographs
Howzit Clift,

Thought you might be interested to know I've contacted a former lieutenant of 1 RAR who served at Entumbane II and he has some pictures of the RAR and the Zimbabwe Armoured Corps in action during that time. I've decided to talk to him about releasing his photos and see if we can get these photos published through OTRS, maybe we'll be able to liven up the 1981 Entumbane Uprising page a bit with more relevant visual coverage.

Have you used the OTRS system before?

Thanks, -- Katan gais (talk) 04:35, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello there Katangais. Well, that's excellent. I have, for File:Ian Smith 1975.jpg for example, but it was a while ago and my memory of it is a bit hazy. I remember you need to correspond by email with the OTRS team at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, showing that you have permission from the copyright owner. Try having a look at OTRS for more pointers. Hope this helps. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  07:24, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

PR
Hello Cliftonian, hope you're well. A certain old thespian is currently waiting in the wings here for any comments or criticisms. I would be much appreciative for any thoughts offered, if you have the time. Many thanks.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   00:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find the time Cassianto—hope you're well. Cheers —  Cliftonian   (talk)  15:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, although don't break your back getting there. I've still got a lot of comments to fix and a lot of time to find to do it.    Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry Cassianto, I'll do my best this weekend. Thanks for the nudge. All the best, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  18:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, no, you misunderstand, it was certainly not a nudge; if anything, it was a "not yet please" as I'm too snowed under in real life to fix what is there. I also wouldn't want you to repeat all the comments raised by others which I've been to bone-idol to fix.  I'm hoping to catch up with it all this weekend.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   19:43, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, okay, understood. :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  21:41, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Football
Can you help improving football related articles ? There are many articles to improve or create! What football do you like ?--86.121.105.77 (talk) 22:11, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello there. I have improved a lot of football-related articles in my time. My favourite team is Luton Town. How about you? —  Cliftonian   (talk)  22:13, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I also like Luton Town from England, is the first town I have visited in UK ! When I said to edit football related articles I mean abroad football, because football related pages about teams or players from UK look very good and complete, but if you look in countries where the language is not English the football related pages are very poor ! I know maybe you do not know so many about foreign football but you can start learning by editing and adding information to Wikipedia! I also prefer to edit in English then my own natal language because more people can read and I want the English Wikipedia to be complete as English is the main international language!--86.121.107.35 (talk) 22:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi again, nice to hear from you. Glad to hear you also like LTFC. Which countries did you have in mind? I know football fairly well but I struggle in any language apart from English. Perhaps if you add some stuff and let me know I can have a look at the sourcing and check the English for you? I don't have that much time to dedicate but if something like that would help I'm happy to do it. Cheers and I hope this helps. Good luck, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  22:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I am interested in all countries football around the world, depends what football from other country attracts you. But for beginning lets improve EUROPEAN football competitions. See: 1964–65 European Cup Winners' Cup many European Cup Winners' Cup does not have infoboxes and there are many games missing. Refs are easy to find for european games, you can see the reports of other matches and from there to take and add more matches on wikipedia. Thank you!--86.124.248.72 (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC) You can move the report down to the game result and let the table shorter withour reports, see recent football competitons from Uefa Champions League and copy that format, it looks ugly how is now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.124.248.72 (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)