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RfC: usernames in signatures
Whatever became of the RfC you initiated? As someone who uses an abbreviated signature myself about which nobody ever complained in 15 years, i would still support it. ◅ Sebastian 07:25, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * - Don't think anything else came of it. There was a finding of no consensus for the proposals, for better or worse. Don't think I've brought it up since then, and continue to hear occasional confusion from newbies when the person they're trying to contact is a totally different name from the one they see on a talk page. Meh. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 13:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * *Sigh* – i guess that comes with Wikipedia being established now. It was more rewarding for me back in the day when one had a reasonable chance of changing things that hurt newbies. What keeps your spirits up? ◅ Sebastian 16:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We're definitely on a long trajectory towards quality and experience and away from quantity and ease of editing. Wikipedia's serious business now, haven't you heard? :) What keeps my spirits up? There's still a ton of amazing work being done. Most of the new user interaction I've had over the past many years has been off-wiki. We ran an edit-a-thon to improve climate change-related content here in NYC a couple weeks ago which went well. New users removing spam, adding citations, fixing mistakes, etc. People just need more support these days than perhaps they used to, but there are more people interested than ever. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't heard. I thought all was fine when the WP:DENY of ‘Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense’ was DENYed in 2007. But seriously, you're raising an interesting point when you write that you get a lot of satisfaction from off-wiki interaction. Yes, that's something i miss since i moved away from the US. I had thought with WP being a role model for online cooperation there would remain enough to keep the spirit up, but i was mistaken. Interesting that you write “People just need more support these days”. What kind of support is more needed now? ◅ Sebastian 03:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Physical Documents
Your help was much appreciated a few weeks ago, and I hope you won't mind a question. I have hard copies of two articles from the 1980's that appeared in papers that are now defunct. The original author provided these, and I'd like to know if I can reference these. If so, how? Much thanks in advance! PhillyHarold (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, newspapers are usually going to be considered reliable, and whether they're digitized doesn't affect that. You can just use a template like cite news and fill in as many fields as you can. FYI The Wikipedia Library has resources that may help if you really want to find a digitized version (I have access to Newspapers.com through them, for example). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 14:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * A huge thank you my friend. PhillyHarold (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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Beginning of pregnancy controversy
I am not "edit warring." I've undone edits performed on a faulty basis. You need to read more closely the explanations for the edits. 1) Your edit removed content other than that you object to and 2) The objections has been addressed and no loner applies.

"However, some methods might have a secondary effect of preventing implantation, thus allowing the embryo to die.[31] Those who define pregnancy from fertilization subsequently may conclude that the agents should be considered abortifacients.[32]" SOURCE 31: Rebecca Peck; Walter Rella; Julio Tudela; Justo Aznar; Bruno Mozzanega (February 2016). "Does levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive have a post-fertilization effect? A review of its mechanism of action". Linacre Q. 83 (1). SOURCE 32: DeSanctis, Alexandra (November 4, 2016). "Yes, Some Contraceptives Are Abortifacients". nationalreview.com. National Review.

The objection was to the first statement not having a proper source, and both statements were deleted based on the (correct) sourcing of the second source when the proper edit would have been to add a tag saying that the first statement required a source. Therefore I reverted and added the tag. Subsequently, the tag was replaced with a proper source. SalClements (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops - I was leaving a message on your talk page while you were writing this. I'll watch for a reply there, but the actual issue at hand is better discussed on the article talk page. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy toto discuss this on the article talk page but I don't understand why i shouldn't just undo your revert given that your justification was, "National Review is not a reliable source for medical information" but as you can see, the medical claim has a medical source and the Nat Rev source was concerning what "Those who define pregnancy from fertilization subsequently may conclude," which does not need a medical source. SalClements (talk) 16:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: You wrote, "The burden is on those who want to change the status quo to use the talk page (Talk:Beginning of pregnancy controversy) to find consensus for a change once it's disputed." So, shouldn't that mean that Avatar317 is the one with the burden, rather than me? My main issue with what avatar has been doing with his edits is that he removed the portion of the article which has been there at least since 2019 (I didn't go back farther) because he said it's in need of a source. My reversing his edits has been about preventing that removal SalClements (talk) 17:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy#mechanism_of_action SalClements (talk) 18:55, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up. I'll take a look at this a bit later. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello there I moved the reference to the Invisible Ships Myth to the Legacy section of the Joseph Banks article because it's too tangential for the short, factual account of the Endeavour voyage. I also slightly changed the wording because the linked article says that Banks'account might be the basis for the myth (it actually contradicts the myth). By the way, I had never heard of the myth before and I found the article fascinating. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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