User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2008 December

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Klein surface
I am not sure what the second "categorize" message is about. Katzmik (talk) 08:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like this is sorted. Let me know if not. Rich Farmbrough, 14:47 2 December 2008 (UTC).

SmackBot: Date maintenance tags and general fixes
The issue mentioned before still persists; so does my request. To refresh your memory:
 * "SmackBot has now twice [thrice] changed the format of a bulleted list which extended over four paragraphs in the article Nigger. According to Help:List, using the HTML tags …  is the only way to format such paragraphs in lists. Please modify SmackBot to allow such constructs."

Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK I fixed the article. Rich Farmbrough, 14:46 2 December 2008 (UTC).

SmackBot
Can you please program your bot to manage ? Many people who use that tag do not specify the section number, so I was asking if you would be able to program your bot to do it automatically. The template is supposed to be used like this:, but most people put it like this:  or. -- IRP ☎ 12:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Emptysection. Hmm the date is easy enough, I'll have to think about the section numbering though. Rich Farmbrough, 15:06 28 November 2008 (UTC).
 * It is the number after the "&section=" in the address bar after clicking the [edit] link just above the section header. -- IRP ☎ 01:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I know what it is. It's just generating it using regular expression substitutions that may not be easy. Rich Farmbrough, 02:55 29 November 2008 (UTC).
 * OK it's easy if I use the section name instead. Rich Farmbrough, 03:45 29 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Do you think you will be able to get the "add information" link to point to the section the template is placed on in the edit screen? -- IRP ☎ 17:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so. Even putting the number in is fraught with problems because new sections will change the numbering. The name doesn't work with edit. Rich Farmbrough, 03:51 30 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Your bot can patrol the recent changes like ClueBot and keep the numbers up-to-date. -- IRP ☎ 00:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Victor Borge
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11262008/tv/starr_report_140884.htm Hi, I am having trouble submitting this refrence on the Victor Borge page Electric Japan (talk) 16:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:Red balloon leanrer centres logo.gif
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For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 18:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot
Hi there, I am Dr Karl Shuker and am concerned about the comments lately added to the Wikipedia article re me that have been left by user TheRedPenOfDoom immediately prior to your own tiding-up editing, especially as that user's user page has been repeatedly deleted recently. Does this mean that he/she has been responsible for attack pages? It certainly seems that my article has been the subject of attacks by this person as their comments do not seem justified. This user has claimed that the article re me needs to be more neutral, yet I cannot see anywhere where neutrality has not been maintained. Simiarly, the user states that citations and references are required, but to which sections of the article? All details re my books have the full reference to the books in question given, and my own website, cited at the bottom of the article, contains all of the info in the article. This article has existed in this same basic form for almost three years without anyone suggesting any such changes, so I would be grateful to receive any advice, explanations, or other information that you could offer. Obviously, I would be totally happy to make any changes to the article that seeem reasonable and justified, but I am presently baffled as to how I can go about this, faced by the criticisms levelled at the article by user TheRedPenOfDoom, so your advice would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you very much, Dr Karl P.N. Shuker, user czbiker Czbiker (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Karl Shuker article
Following my earlier message about the changes recently made to the Karl Shuker article about me by user TheRedPenOf Doom, I've just realised that this person has removed considerable sections of the article, reducing it to a stub, yet has remarked that the article needs to be more encyclopaedic! Yet the sections removed by him/her are the very ones that describe in detail my contributions via my books to the subject of cryptozoology! Moreover, even the full publishing reference details to books that I have acted as consultant or contributor have been removed by him/her. Consequently, I shall add them back to the article, and would greatly value your views as to what has bene happening here and also what needs to be done to improve this article. Many thanks, Dr Karl Shuker Czbiker (talk) 22:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot
I'm not talking about the "stub" template; I'm talking about the "WHO-Recognized English Medium Medical Schools (China)" template that disappeared subsequent to you bots activity on the Dalian Medical University page.

Compendium wmc (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I didn't change that. The name of the template was changed twice by a subsequent editor. Rich Farmbrough, 13:37 4 December 2008 (UTC).

Roman Catholic dioceses in Asia
Not meant to have many links. It's a sublist of Roman Catholic dioceses and a superlist of the individual episcopal conferences. , thanks for your message, SmackBot does not generally add tags, but merely dates those that are already there. Regards,

the bot software can not read special pages and proccess links
My bot software cannot proccess special pages. it will only proccess categories. Hintss  talk 20:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot
Hello

The story about Chioma Ansoh is a untrue. She has sued The Mirror Newspaper in Nigeria and has refuted the story on several occassions and in Thisday Newspaper ,Nigeria. The Nigerian customs has also denied the allegations. She has never been charged for any such thing neither has she ever been arrested. She has never had an abortion for any man and is not Femi Fani-Kayode's girlfriend. This story is libellous and defamatory. I strongly advise that the story should be removed.

Below is the reference.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=82302

Also the original created was

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/femi Fani Kayode

but was changed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/femi_Fani-Kayode

Pls help rename the back to the first http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/femi Fani Kayode

and make sure Chioma Ansoh story removed as the admin.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seiperi (toalk • contribs) 17:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Date project
Rich, on your User Page under Date project, would you mind adding the word "away" where you say, "But blow me..."? I think the expression "blow me away" is probably what you meant to say. I hesitated to change it myself since this is your User page. Dennis Fernkes (talk) 23:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

See article Dennis Fernkes (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot
Hi. Fixes is ok. The Language is now better. Webmaster is different like Kauppinen. Can you help or show current revision —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finlandiana (talk • contribs) 19:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs
Hi Rich, Doesnt make a whole load of sense that bug...

Template:Sources --> Template:Refimprove

But then Template:Unreferenced doesnt go anywhere

Could you clarify what your asking for please?

Im presuming your wanting something adding/updating/tweaking in the AutoTagger?

Thanks

— Ree dy  20:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * adds sources/refimprove to be have the date subst'd on it as refimprove... — Ree dy  20:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

That Crazy Feeling
You may be pleased to know I've removed this article from the orphan status you (or rather, your bot) set two months ago. I accidentally happened upon it today on a "What links here" search while considering a move of the "Through the Years" song page (others have also written songs using the title); I found the page in the search. Kenny Rogers' discography now links to it. =)

On to further importing of Rogers' discography. (Almost feels like "To Infinity and BEYOND!", the list is so long.)

CycloneGU (talk) 04:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot request
Hello. I need a bot for something, and since User:SmackBot is affected by my plans either way, I figured I'd ask you directly. :) Per the recent TfD debate, I proposed to let a bot automatically remove the recent death template after one week from the articles it's being added to. So I need a bot (preferably yours) to do that. Additionally, I need the bot to add a new "day" parameter to the templates (in addition to the "date" parameter that's already being added) if it's not already added by the user, so the bot knows when a week is over. At least that's my idea. If your bot could remove the template after one week without any additional parameters, that would be even better, of course, but I don't know if that is even possible. --Conti|✉ 16:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

list please
Could I get a copy of smackbot's article list formatted as a list of internal links, one on a line. for example an entry with plane and car would look like this

plane car

User:Hintss

Every article SB has edited? What for? It's probably several hundred thousand articles long. Rich Farmbrough, 14:53 2 December 2008 (UTC).
 * I'd like to see such a list, too, with counts showing each time each article has been edited by SmackBot. Do you not keep logs of its activity? -- Mikeblas (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Value?
How much does SmackBot cost Wikipedia in terms of increased storage, server load, and bandwidth usage? What value does it add? Does that value overwhelm its costs? -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Storage:The average SB edit is adding a string like "|date=December 2008" Depending on the efficiency of compression and diff algortihms this should equate to between 2 and a few dozen bytes. Multiply that by 2,000,000 and you get maybe 50 MB. With disk costing c. 10p/20c per gig, this is irrelevant
 * B/W SB makes say 1000 edits per day (actually probably more like 700): see next bullet for how insignificant this is.
 * Server load: Most of the server load is up to "60,000 page requests per second" to deliver HTTP pages
 * Value - since WP doesn't place a cash value on page views etc. this is hard to measure. But without SB or someone else doing the same thing projects like Unreferenced_articles would have a much harder time.
 * Rich Farmbrough, 19:41 7 December 2008 (UTC).


 * I think your numbers are a little off. The few bytes aren't stored because Wikipedia stores complete versions rather than diffs. (As far as I can tell, anyway. The database dumps you can download contain full images of each article rather than any sort of delta. The database backup wouldn't backup anything other than what's in the database--particularly when it's in this very expensive and large format.) This means that the changes that SmackBot makes cost the whole size of the article again, not just the zero to couple-dozen bytes they add.
 * 700 edits per day with a mean article size of 10 kilobytes means seven more megs a day per storage. Over a year, thats 2.5 gigabytes. This is about 10% growth for the database image file, alone, with my guess at the average article size and your number for the edit count.
 * A disk you buy for your desktop might be as cheap as 20 cents per gig, but the redundant, distributed, high-performance storage that Wikipedia requires is far more expensive.
 * OK take 2.5g x $10 per G (50 times "desktop" costs), still only $25 per year. Of the $6million this is negligible.  Rich Farmbrough, 02:27 11 December 2008 (UTC).
 * I'm not sure how you're measuring requests per second. Is smackbot doing 60,000 page requests per second? That can't be right.
 * We don't necessarily need a cash value here; what's the tangible value to users? Changing the case of tags is inconsequential; unreferenced works exactly as Unreferenced, doesn't it? Are there edits that SmackBot performs that are of any semantic value, or is it purely syntax love?
 * You should have a cash value, though. If you're growing the database by 10% each year, and Wikipeida is in the position of begging for donations to stay online, shouldn't you have a solid explanation for the benefit your providing and a better understanding of the costs? -- 04:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK you clearly don't understand what SB does. Go explore the cleanup categories. The 60,000 hits are what WP serves per second.  And there is some delta-ing going on, although doubtless it's not that fantastic.  And the database dumps are completely .. borked. They are XML produced from a SQL db, and take months to run. I have offered to help sort them out in the past.   Rich Farmbrough, 02:27 11 December 2008 (UTC).
 * I'm very eager to do so. Which cleanup categories are you talking about, and what does smackbot do for them? -- Mikeblas (talk) 04:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK SB mainly dates cleanup tags. The reason for this is that humans were found to either not date or mis-date them an awful lot (SB also corrects many mis-formatted or mis-dated tags). A list of extant dated categories is here. The intention is to ensure that all the large cleanup categories (and some of the smaller ones) can be worked through in a methodical way.  With, for example, the uncategorized stuff this is very successful, with the others at least we know how far behind we are, and everything should be taken care of in bounded time. [[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich] Farmbrough, 00:23 13 December 2008 (UTC).

Date in infobox templates
[relisted]

Hi,

Did you get anywhere with the conversion of release/ foundation/ start dates in infoboxes, to use Start date (see also my earlier note)? If you're not able to oblige, please let me know, so that I can reissue my bot request, Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You archived the above without reply. I understand you may be too busy/ not interested, but if so please let me know, so I can re-open the request on WP:BOTREQ. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Andy, the archiving is automatic. I have been busy clearing my late father's house which should be finished tomorrow, I will revisit this over the weekend or early next week.  Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 01:29 12 December 2008 (UTC).


 * I'm sorry for your loss. It must be a difficult time for you, Thank you for you reply and forbearance with my impatience, Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot
Cfare jane ato budalleqet per Laberine ? Malloket dhe Lalucet dhe labet qenka me miret nga te gjithe... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.32.131 (talk) 21:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? Rich Farmbrough, 00:15 13 December 2008 (UTC).

SmackBot
I have a "newbie" question about a page that I added: Melissa Bellin. Her page had been deleted twice in the past, and now there is the following notation listed on it: "This article may not meet the general notability guideline or one of the following specific guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia: Biographies, Books, Companies, Fiction, Music, Neologisms, Numbers, Web content, or several proposals for new guidelines. If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand or rewrite the article to establish its notability. The best way to address this concern is to reference published, third-party sources about the subject. If notability cannot be established, the article is more likely to be considered for redirection, merging, or deletion, per Wikipedia:Guide to deletion."

My question is: how is it that her page is subject to deletion once already, and possible future deletion for "lack of notability"? How is she less notable than any of the other Nitro Girls who have their own pages? She was as popular, if not more, than any of the other Nitro Girls, in fact she was the choreographer for the group. I find it discouraging that pages get deleted for reasons that apparently have to do with the "deleter"'s personal dislike of the person the page is about. It makes me doubt whether I'll be making any more "contributions" to the Wiki project, due to there being people who have nothing better to do all day than to delete pages that they simply don't like, instead of making edits or notations that would improve the page.

Qzk1718 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not Rich, but the Melissa Bellin article has referencing problems. There are no reliable sources. (IMDB is not one). The Nitro Girls article *does* have newspaper sources, which is good. If nothing can be found that comments on Melissa specifically, maybe her article should be replaced with a redirect to Nitro Girls. If you know how to find sources yourself, you might be able to fix this. EdJohnston (talk) 22:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

A suggestion for User:SmackBot
Hi there. Would you consider adding to User:SmackBot's tasks replacing  with  ? The latter seems more compact to me. It Is Me Here  t / c 12:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ' seems more compact still, and is usually fine. However I will take a look. Rich Farmbrough, 12:49 15 December 2008 (UTC).
 * Oh, ' is used to avoid the effects of italics or bolding. For instance:
 * The Godfather's author is Mario Puzo.
 * The Godfather's author is Mario Puzo.
 * It Is Me Here  t / c 16:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, both the above work fine. But they can break I know.

SmackBot: Addition of fact tags to lead sections
Hi, why is SmackBot adding fact tags to lead sections of articles? Leads are supposed to be summaries of the main body of the article, so if the main body content is already properly referenced there is no reason to also add footnotes to the lead. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Scratch that – the fact tag was added by another editor, and SmackBot merely dated it. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Footballer
Rich, I wondered if this template did anything useful. It gives an error and is not used anywhere, but templates are sometimes used in mysterious ways, so I thought I'ld better check it first. Fram (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Cataloged
"Cataloged" is an accepted spelling, so changing it to "catalogued" is not a spelling correction. 165.189.101.177 (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot page edit
Your "smackbot" recently tagged the page After the War (Novel), and I have recently made some changes. Can you have a look at the page and tell me if it meets wikipedias standards or do I need improvements. Itz sensation 03:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itz sensation (talk • contribs)

SmackBot Name
Just was out perusing da'pedia and saw SmackBot had made some changes. Wondered why it is called SmackBot and if it would be easy to change its name to one a little friendlier sounding? 24.20.149.88 (talk) 21:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thnx
Dear Smackbot,

thnx for help me to improve this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pál_Milkovics please help me how can I upload photo there. Thnx,

and Merry Christmas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.99.93.184 (talk) 22:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Malformed category
The articles Sarajevo and Fayetteville, Arkansas are tagged with a red category Category:Articles with unsourced statements since November 2,008 (note the comma). Clearly the comma is the problem. I searched through the articles to find the malformed cn or fact tag, but I was unable to find it. It may be a problem with the code of the template. Perhaps you might be able to find the error. •Life of Riley (talk) 00:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles sometimes stay in categories they shouldn't, for a while. Rich Farmbrough, 15:18 24 December 2008 (UTC).
 * OK the problem is in this code


 * Rich Farmbrough, 15:32 24 December 2008 (UTC).
 * Basically it's trying to format the number strings. Rich Farmbrough, 16:04 24 December 2008 (UTC).

Re-re-request for help
You know more about bots and editing than anyone else I know, so I've got my fingers crossed that you can help me. If you don't have time, I completely understand. Perhaps you can at least point me in the right direction.

Can you use one of your bots, or create one, to pull a piece of data from one set of pages and place it on another set of pages?

What I've got are two items on a bunch of pages that need to be filled in.

One is

"Population: "

And the other is

"Size: "

These need to be filled in on the pages listed at User:The Transhumanist/Country list. The items to be filled in are in the "Geography of x" section (where "x" is the name of the respective country).

A few of them are already filled in. (I hope that doesn't present any problems).

The data is located in the infobox on the corresponding country articles.

Is this something you could do?

If so, it would sure save a lot of man hours. I don't currently have access to a machine upon which I could use macros or learn and apply Python, and I'd really like to avoid having to do these chores manually.

I requested bot approval at Bots/Requests for approval/Worldbot and was told that these tasks don't need bot approval - we can just go ahead and create and use bots on 'em.

The desired format for the data is presented at Topic outline of Algeria, Topic outline of France and Topic outline of Germany.

I look forward to your reply.

Th e Tr ans hu man ist   23:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have looked at this before, a few months back.


 * Extracting the data is easy but inserting it into the articles is less so. I'll review again soon.


 * Rich Farmbrough, 19:20 12 November 2008 (UTC). 19:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The population figures are done.


 * I could sure use your help on the size figures. The size statistics are in the infobox of each country's main article (the "name" article on each country).


 * The bot needs to grab the statistics from the country articles and then insert them into the corresponding topic outlines in a specific format. Here is an entry in the standard format we've been using. (See the wikicode):


 * Area of Iraq: 438317 km2 - 58th largest country


 * Can you do this?


 * There are several other things that could probably be filled in by bot, which would save the project's volunteers a lot of time they could spend on tasks incapable of being done by bot.


 * Form of government:
 * Head of state: (title, incumbent)
 * Head of government: (title, incumbent)
 * Commander-in-chief: (title, incumbent)
 * Currency of x: (where "x" is the name of the country)


 * The "Form of government" can be found on the country's "Politics of" article, in the opening sentence of the lead paragraph. In some cases, it is in the "Government of" article.


 * "Head of state" and "Head of government" can be found in List of current heads of state and government. See also List of heads of state by diplomatic precedence.


 * "Commander-in-chief:" can usually be found in the "Military of" article for each country, though there is no standard format in which it is displayed (that I'm aware of).


 * "Currency of x:" is displayed in List of circulating currencies.


 * The hardest one above appears to be the Commander-in-chief. I may have to make a list of all the commander-in-chief articles, so that you can more easily extract the commander's title and the name of the incumbent.


 * Please let me know when you can work on these. Your assistance would certainly speed this project to completion, and would make the pages more presentable for when they will be moved into article space.


 * Sincerely,


 * Th e Tr <font color="#449900">ans <font color="#DD9922">hu <font color="#DD4400">man <font color="#BB0000">ist   00:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Quran
Islamic holy books article has so many sentenses which are not Quranic.when we talk about islam we must take Quran as reliable source and not the books or articles other than Qura. please compare bot articles and check which one is telling truth? the old one or new one with Quranic references.revert the article to know the truth as per quran.it is not NOR thanks--Farrukh38 (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The von bondies clean up
I fact checked all the places you listed and cleaned up the page.

can you please update the von bondies level/page. thanks suzie


 * Needs archiving. Rich Farmbrough, 14:38 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Honda MT125R Page
LINK In question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_MT125

I'm getting notices about the page needing this, need that, needing internal links (has them), wanting grammar changes etc. Yet, with nothing specific all it doesn't help much and is a bit annoying. I'm new to wikipedia, but not technical writing (which the article is) so could you point me in the right direction to keep these thing from popping up?.

I appreciate the help.

Tom

USER Page Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tburklow
 * Replied on user page I think.
 * Needs archiving. Rich Farmbrough, 14:39 2 December 2008 (UTC)

whats your reality name i need it for school!!!!

 * I guess you have it now. Rich Farmbrough, 09:24 28 November 2008 (UTC)

"Cory Pesaturo", Updates
Hi SmactBot,


 * I'm not sure who to talk to on this, but I saw earlier that an admin was thinking of deleting the "Cory Pesaturo" article because too many things didn't have references and I'm very happy that you and Phil Bridger have added some. I know Cory not on a personal level, but to a degree and these claims are all true, but it seems Wikipedia dosn't understand that MOST issues that are in question are Impossible to reference - Such as....

"....playing for President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton at a total of 10 events"


 * 4 of those were at the White House, so they could be found IF you want to search hard enough in the White House documents. about 4 of them were in the local newspapers as fundraising events, but about 3 or 4 of them were Completely private events, so how does wikipedia expect to find proof In writing of all 10?

He is known to many as "The Snowman" for his meteorological work


 * Does Wikipedia really need to have a reference on what people call him? Seems rather odd, and all you have to do is e-mail different meteorologists he has delt with, but again it's not going to be In print.  Unless an e-mail verifies.

"Youngest person ever to perform at a State Dinner at the White House"


 * I know the White House Staff told him this when it occured, but I don't know who you would contact to verify it. He would know who to contact for verification though.

"Youngest accordionist ever to be the soloist with a symphony"


 * Here Wikipedia should know that "Accordion History" is not been well documented at all, so this is a statistic that accordion players can talk about, but it's impossible to have this in writing. If you ask legends of the accordion world, they will tell you they don't know anyone who did this feat at an earlier age though.

"The only person to major/graduate as an accordionist at the New England Conservatory of Music"


 * This would probably involved a call to one of his teachers at the Conservatory. I would think a call from a teacher would verify.

'''   I'm not sure who the correct person is to talk with about making sure this article doesn't get deleted, but if you aren't the person, could you forward this message? His contact information is on his website and he's a Very nice person to talk with.


 * Thank You SmactBot!'''


 * Basically if we can't provide a verifiable reference, we don't include it. If we were writing a biography of Cory, we could use personal impressions, verbal conversations etc., but as an encylopedia we are only trying to distil the existing body of referenceable human knowledge. Rich Farmbrough, 14:51 2 December 2008 (UTC)