User talk:Rnnsh

Greetings!
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Greetings, Rnnsh! I hope you have a good day!

Also, a belated welcome to Wikipedia!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
I see your edits frequently on my watchlist, especially with regards to new taxa, so I thought I'd drop by and say hello. Keep up the good work! J. Spencer (talk) 04:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I think your English is good.  I've noticed that over time your edits adopt changes that I've made to your edits in the past, so I hope I'm being helpful!.  Out of curiosity, what is your first language? J. Spencer (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's cool! You're certainly getting in a lot of practice in writing English here. J. Spencer (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Heads up!
Hi, Rnnsh;

I just found out about these, and since I can't get to them until later, I thought I would pass them on to you:


 * Chuxiongosaurus (http://www.geojournals.cn/dzxben/ch/reader/view_abstract.aspx?file_no=201006003&flag=1)


 * Liubangosaurus (http://www.geojournals.cn/dzxben/ch/reader/view_abstract.aspx?file_no=201006002&flag=1)

J. Spencer (talk) 14:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I expanded Chuxiongosaurus a bit because the abstract is a little confusing, and so are prosauropod/sauropod relationships in general. J. Spencer (talk) 02:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Ichthyosauria
Hi, Rnnsh;

I am interested in contributing, but I can't make any specific promises this time of the year. I will be around, though. J. Spencer (talk) 01:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Autopatroller
Hi Rnnsh, I enjoyed reading one of your articles at newpage patrol, and after checking through some more of your work I have taken the liberty of flagging your account as WP:Autopatrolled. This entitles you to display this userbox User wikipedia/autopatrolled, and indicates that in my judgement the articles that you create are likely to belong here. Cheers and happy editing.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  16:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Extinct turtles
Hi! I see you have been creating extinct turtle articles. I've create this template above just to navigate between extinct turtle articles. If there is anything that should be changed/corrected please go right ahead and edit the template (edit is the 'e' in v.d.e top left). If you create more extinct turtle articles it would be helpful if you could add the template at the bottom. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 02:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Leonerasaurus
Thanks for helping :) However, please do NOT move refs into the main text! it is annoying to have to search for the all over. HMallison (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I do not like articles starting with Etymology. Remember that most readers are laypeople, who are mostly interested in what the animal looked like. I'll re-oder the sections; if you disagree please talk to me on my talk page. HMallison (talk) 08:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * btw, thanks for re-formatting the ref with the template - maybe now I will learn how to use it ;) HMallison (talk) 15:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

New dinosaurs
Hallo, Rnnsh! I see you have qualified the four new dinosaurs of this week as nomina nuda. However, the articles describing them are apparently part of a special volume, the Proceedings of the Third Gondwanan Dinosaur Symposium. This book has been published on 16 March. So they are all valid names. Not that I have the volume or the correct citation yet :o), but nevertheless...

Greetings, --MWAK (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Editing note
Hi, Rnnsh;

I just wanted to remind you to avoid directly taking sentences from original sources. For short usages, like a single sentence, you can use quotation marks, but it's best to restate material if at all possible. Thank you, and keep up the good work! J. Spencer (talk) 00:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Amphibamidae and Doleserpetontidae
Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize that Doleserpetontidae was a junior synonym when I created its taxonomy page. I'm not sure if it was the proper way to do it, but I redirected Template:Taxonomy/Doleserpetontidae to Template:Taxonomy/Amphibamidae. Redirecting pages would be an easy fix if you ever come across this problem again in the future. And I also appreciate the work you do, especially in creating pages for new species. They seem to appear almost every day! Smokeybjb (talk) 23:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Archaeocursor
I'm not sure if you're aware, but "Archaeocursor" was an April Fools joke started on a Polish message board. Please stop adding it to dinosaur articles. If you knew about this, please think twice before adding hoaxes to Wikipedia next time. MMartyniuk (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Rnnsh, I notice you added a reference in this article to the paper entitled "Basalmost theropod with filamentous integumentary structures and new clade of basal 'carnivorous' dinosaurs". Did you read the information in this paper? If not, please do not add references to papers that you did not read the information in. See WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. Thank you, ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 09:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Decuriasuchus
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Eosuchia
Hi again. The name Eosuchia has not been used very often in recent years because the it is generally regarded as a paraphyletic group of early diapsids. Laurin's definition makes it include pretty much all diapsids except Araeoscelidia. Many amniotes would be left out of the group, including parareptiles, protorothyridids, and turtles (if you don't consider them diapsids). So Eosuchia and Amniota wouldn't be synonymous. Smokeybjb (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arenysuchus
Calmer  Waters  06:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Samrukia
Have you read or seen any of the paper you added as a reference in this diff? Thanks ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 15:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * YES, I have an early version of the paper, which I got from one of the authors by email. Your ref is based on this study... Rnnsh (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks! Yes, I know it is based on the paper written by the same person. Perhaps we should get rid of my blog reference. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! For now, maybe the blog ref is even better. The "in press" version will be available soon, I think. Rnnsh (talk) 17:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Smok (archosaur)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Ornithischians
Unfortunately, this is something that won't be settled until Phylocode. For now, it's probably best to go with either the most recent usage or the original usage. MMartyniuk (talk) 12:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Suuwassea
You changed the template to include suuwassea in Dicraeosauridae--is there a recent source to back this up? Both the original paper and cranial osteology find that it is basal to the split between Diplodocidae and Dicraeosauridae, but I don't have the complete osteology paper. As the templates are not watched by a lot of editors, please refrain from changing them without first backing up any change in the article for the taxon itself. MMartyniuk (talk) 12:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary
In undoing my edit, you wrote "family doesnt named with the sp as in most recently named genera in paleo. (like in basal romerids, basal tyrannosauroids, basal iguanodonts, ect... etc...)". What does this mean? I can't make head nor tail of it. Specifically, what is "family doesnt named with the sp" supposed to communicate? --Stemonitis (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I mean that in "modern" paleontology only a few newly named taxa described in their own families to avoid uncertainties in the future. Lycophocyon was tested in phylogenetic analysis and found to be basal form (like a vast amout of other taxa). Therefore, I think we should not mark everything that lacks family as a incertae sedis. Rnnsh (talk) 12:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Phylogenetic position may inform taxonomic placement, but the two are not the same. Basal forms are also placed in families. I don't see any reason not to include the information, particularly as it is explicitly noted in the original description. Omitting the family merely makes the article look slapdash, because there will be conspicuous gaps in the hierarchy. Including the family but showing that it is uncertain clarifies that. I see no disadvantage to including it, and considerable advantage. --Stemonitis (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I apparently missed the "n.b." label... I known that the two are not the same. My point is different: do you think we need to add the same line to the box of Appalachiosaurus or Bistahieversor, for example? Rnnsh (talk) 13:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

In short, yes. Major ranks should, in my opinion, always be included, even if placement is uncertain. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. mgiganteus1 (talk) 21:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Due to their editing history, some pages can only be moved by an admin. You can request the Pliosaur-->Pliosauroidea move at Requested moves. Cheers, mgiganteus1 (talk) 07:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ziphosuchia
Hello! I just noticed you made the automatic taxonomy for Ziphosuchia. Notosuchia is a clade within Ziphosuchia, so most of the notosuchians should have their parent taxon as Notosuchia, not Ziphosuchia, while Ziphosuchia should be the parent taxon of Notosuchia. Just a heads up, since it looks like you spent awhile changing all the notosuchian's taxonomies to have Ziphosuchia as their parent taxon. Smokeybjb (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, what am I saying? I meant Ziphosuchia is a clade within Notosuchia, but not all notosuchians are ziphosuchians. But now I see you didn't do that. All these new studies can get confusing. Never mind me! Smokeybjb (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about this, but one more thing :)... Sebecosuchia isn't used very often anymore, since sebecids and baurusuchids are rarely grouped together to the exclusion of other notosuchians. Sebecia seems to be more commonly used. Maybe we should scrap Sebecosuchia from the taxonomy, or in other words, not give it any child taxa to show that it isn't really a valid grouping. There's a good overview here. Then again, Turner and Sertich (2010) recently supported Sebecosuchia (see here), so maybe we should just keep the taxonomy as it is and wait for a future study to clear things up. Smokeybjb (talk) 19:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up. I don't have access to the Caipirasuchus paper, so I might not be up-to-date with notosuchian phylogeny right now. Maybe you could put a cladogram from the paper in one of the Wiki articles? Smokeybjb (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice! Smokeybjb (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Tokosaurids
I just reverted your edit over at Reptiliomorpha. If you have some newer sources confirming Tokosaurus fall on the amniote side of the divide (I'm relying on Carroll and Benton here), feel free to ad it there. These critters are a bugbear to keep track of. Petter Bøckman (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will add the refs a.s.a.p. (currently I'm editting from my laptop which is quit hard)... Rnnsh (talk) 04:42, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Bonapartenykus?
Seriously? --Shirt58 (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * click here Rnnsh (talk) 06:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That name, and the whole Alvarezsauridae angle! All the makings of a great news story very soon for the Science journalist that comes across it first.  --Shirt58 (talk) 07:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC) ps: click here

Taxoboxes and other cleanup
On 16 January, you created a number of taxonomic articles without taxoboxes (Albertwoodemys‎–Protoxinjiangchelys‎), often with the edit summary "more to come". Those articles were quickly tagged as needing taxoboxes, as well as needing other work (references, categories, etc.) Then, yesterday, you created another group of similarly incomplete sub-stubs, without taxoboxes, and needing other work (Tassiliodus‎–Oklatheridium‎). It seems unfair to expect others to put time and effort into cleaning up after you, so perhaps it would be better if you returned to some of those articles and worked on fixing the problems, rather than creating more problems and leaving them for other people to fix. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I will fix them, but I can do it only at weekends (I'll try to start or/and finish it tomorrow, or today after work) Rnnsh (talk) 13:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A place to look for which ones to work on is the category Category:Missing taxobox. This is populated by the missingtaxobox template.  Most (but by no means all) of the articles currently in that category were created by you.   Thank you for this cleanup effort.
 * As just a side note, I personally know little of biological classification. I actually came across the ones I have tagged because they were popping up on the Short Pages reports, which I regularly patrol.  - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Aetosaurs
Hello again! I just noticed that you've included the cladogram of the Aetobarbakinoides paper in several articles, so I assume you have access to the whole paper. Unfortunately I don't have access (bummer...). Anyway I was wondering, since Typothoracisinae is now outside Aetosaurinae and is instead the sister taxon of Desmatosuchinae, do Desojo et al. now consider it a subfamily? I know it's sort of implied by the -inae suffix, but if Desojo et al. don't call Typothoracisinae a subfamily, we probably shouldn't rank it as a subfamily in the automatic taxonomy. Smokeybjb (talk) 04:51, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I'd think if Typothoracisinae was orignially designated as a subfamily, but Parker (2007) never calls it a subfamily. In fact, he placed Typothoracisinae within Aetosaurinae, which is why this taxonomy can get confusing. The only reason I can think of for why there's an -inae suffix is that Parker found more support for Typothoracisinae than Aetosaurinae in his analysis. If this is put into Linnean terms it would be like saying Typothoracisinae is the subfamily and Aetosaurinae is a level above the subfamily, but of course this is never stated in any study. If there's no mention of Typothoracisnae as a subfamily, I still don't think we should call it a subfamily. Smokeybjb (talk) 15:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Barlabel
Do you mean the Anthracosauria label? It's not centered on the bracket, but everything else looks fine to me. I'm not sure if we're seeing different things on different browsers. I'm trying to do the same on the lepospondyl page, and it's a mess! Smokeybjb (talk) 18:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Croc templates, lists, categories
All your ideas sound good:
 * Mesoeucrocodylia template: I agree this template isn't ideal, but it probably shouldn't be redirected to Template:Basal crocodylomorphs because it covers different taxa. We could propose it for deletion at Templates for discussion, or just replace it with a more specific template in each article where it now appears. In any case, I think Template: Neosuchia should be created.
 * Notosuchia list: I made the Notosuchia table with only the traditional smallish notosuchians like Notosuchus in mind, but maybe it would just be good to get rid of it entirely. Template: Notosuchia does the job, although it's at the bottom of the article.
 * Terrestrial and marine crocodiles: A rename would be good, how about Category: Terrestrial crocodylomorphs and Category: Marine crocodylomorphs? I think a rename needs to be proposed first at Categories for discussion.

Smokeybjb (talk) 02:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Category: Marine crocodiles was probably intended for truly marine/coastal crocodylomorphs like thalattosuchians, dyrosaurids, and gryposuchines. The freshwater forms must have been added mistakenly, but if we include them in Category: Aquatic crocodylomorphs, we would also have to include nearly all of the more recent crocodylians, and it might get bulky. I think marine crocodylomorphs should still have their own category, but maybe a category for freshwater crocodylomorphs could also be created. Smokeybjb (talk) 15:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I proposed Category:Terrestrial crocodiles and Category:Marine crocodiles for renaming here. Smokeybjb (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. Smokeybjb (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! There's lots of information in Andrade et al. if this is true, and the information from Hulke's and Hooley's original papers would also be good (plus any old drawings of the specimens would be in the public domain by now, so they could be uploaded to Commons). I found abstracts of Hulke (1878) and Hooley (1907) here and here, but I don't have access to the full papers. Do you?
 * Also, great job with the Neosuchia template! Smokeybjb (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Clades
This came up at the Auto Taxobox talk page and there seemed to be consensus that we should simply use "clade". I agree it would be nice to list which definition we're using, but I'm not sure how that should be done. Hopefully, once PhyloCode goes into effect we won't need to worry about it since there will be only one correct definition for each clade. So maybe putting this on hold for now will actually save some time later on. MMartyniuk (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Microraptor(ians)
I'd probably hold off on splitting out anything from Microraptor until somebody does an explicit examination. The newest Senter paper codes four "Micro" specimens separately, and Crypto doesn't clade with the rest, but that could be an artifact--the fact is there are probably either several species of Microraptor, or alternately people need to code better for ontogony--but somebody needs to actually study the possible species and ontogenetic differences first. I'm sure a paper studying Microraptor growth and diversity is upcoming (I hope so, such things are desperately needed when a "species" is known from hundreds of unpublished specimens). MMartyniuk (talk) 09:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Copyvio
Hi Rnnsh,

It appears an article that you contributed significantly, Xenoceratops, may have been copied and pasted from the source material. Please see Talk:Xenoceratops. Firsfron of Ronchester 05:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Scolosaurus
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DYK for Rhachitomi
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Here be dragons - or be there?
I've declined your speedy request, but I've taken it to Articles for deletion/Dracosuchus as I am not happy with the article. I don't find it blatant enough a hoax for speedy as such, and while an expert in the field might be able to judge vandalism, it's not obvious enough for most admins to agree or disagree. As you appear to have greater knowledge in the field, I'm hoping you'll give your reasons there. Peridon (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:thanks
You're welcome, I follow the paleontology pages here (and I translate someones). And I've thanked to Smokeybjb too. Greetings :).

Manda Beds
The temnospondyl material has been referred to both Stanocephalosaurus and Eryosuchus, so it's probably best to attribute the specimens to an indeterminate capitosaur. I don't have access to Haughton (1932), but I think Stenaulorhynchus major might actually be known from only one specimen, the broken humerus (it might show up two times in the database because it has been mentioned two times, once in Haughton (1932) and again in Crompton (1955); both records are of the same locality). In this case Stenaulorhynchus major and Stagonosuchus nyassicus are definitely synonyms. Smokeybjb (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the Stanocephalosaurus pronus holotype is the same as the Eryosuchus pronus holotype, which is from the Manda Beds. See this paper. In addition, Damiani (2001) referred several other specimens from the Manda Beds to E. pronus. S. tanganyikaensis could be added to the archosauromorph table, but I'm not sure if it should be labeled as a "reclassified taxon" shaded in red or a "dubious taxon" shaded in gray. Smokeybjb (talk) 20:26, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

A little note on cites..
I saw you made an edit over at the Teratophoneus article and reverted it because you removed the citation and replaced it with a cite tag. I'm sorry if this was an error on your end, but please be more careful and look at what you're editing before submitting the revision, as removing a cite and replacing it with a cite tag is kind of a bad idea, especially if that cite is a scientific paper, journal or another reliable source. Dromaeosaurus is best dinosaur (talk) 15:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I replaced it with a template of the same citation, not a tag, so re-revert... See my the full replay at your talk page. Rnnsh (talk) 19:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xinjiangtitan
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DYK for Siats (dinosaur)
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DYK for Europelta
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Cladogram template on Tritylodontidae needs work
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I'm seconding the call for action, especially since the error-containing cladogram also appears on Gomphodontia. In my opinion, it is needlessly complex to extend the trees to the level of genus in each case, and non-focal taxa should be trimmed to family level.--Animalparty-- (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice, and sorry for fixing it so late, I haven't logged in for awhile now. When I created that template it was fine and it didn't exceed 40 nested templates, so I can't understand what went wrong about it. It is so detailed to show both Gomphodontia and Tritylodontidae. The latter was considered to be a member of the former, so I think it is necessary to figure the entire tree... Rnnsh (talk) 12:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Siats
You are not the creator of Siats but just to tell you that a speedy deletion tag was on the page. Dinosaur Fan (talk) 14:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Welcome back! It's good to see someone creating those dinosaur articles within hours of their being named, instead of weeks!--MWAK (talk) 15:48, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's good to be back for now.. And at least for a while I'll probably focus on non-dino articles that I missed, since most dino articles seem well cared for! Really enjoyed your recent articles and admire your consistency in editing :) Especially considering how the Nederlands version always exists hours (at least) before the English one! Rnnsh (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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